Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!
Flight mode is the way.
It is useless to switch off the phone...in flight mode the battery has almost no drains (1% at most).
monilhathi said:
Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!
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That's because when you switch the phone off IT IS OFF.
A Nokia, say, doesn't switch off - it goes into flight mode and switches the screen off.
If you notice a Nokia phone loses battery power even when swithed off because in fact it is still on. That's why the alarms go off
Therefor: Switch to flightmode and turn the screen off = same result - but smarter !!!!
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
monilhathi said:
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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It's a feature Nokia added so people could turn the phone signals off manually in situations where it was unwanted. On planes for example.
You could try this
Ageye G-Alarm, is isn't free but claims to
"Save battery power overnight
Using the integrated flight mode you can turn off the phone and therefore minimize the battery drain until the next alarm. Afterwards G-Alarm automatically turns your phone on again."
Same thing, but might do it automatically, but its too much for me, I don't need all the functions so haven't tried it.
Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!
monilhathi said:
Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!
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Which two 3rd party apps are involved in using flight mode? (by my count none are used)
You can even configure a long hold of the hang-up button to enable it if you want in button config...
P.
monilhathi said:
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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In Flight mode, you can still use your phone in "off-line" mode, you can even use WiFi... so saying that turned off Nokia is actually still ON - only in flight mode - can only say someone who doesn't have a clue what is going on inside the phones. Turning Symbian phones OFF/ON means soft reset, does turning Flight mode ON/Off means soft reset in any phone? Of course not.
Take your laptop - there is power save mode, sleep mode and hibernation. But OS (say Windows) is still running, even it is on the lowest possible level, so a few external inputs (keyboard, mouse, modem), most of them you can specify in Bios, can bring the system from stanby or even hybernation mode. When you turn off your Nokia, operating system (Symbian and Maemo too) is completely off. But the internal clock chip is still running, althoug only on cca 1/100th of clock rate. When you turn phone off, the info from the alarm clock is written to this chip, telling him after how many those slow cycles he suppose to wake up (if there is anough power from the battery left). Would be easy to implement this to any phone hardware, HTC, Sony ... they'll just have to run something else than Win OS. So blame the Microsoft - but go easy on them - it's relict from the old ages of PDA, when Windows and phones were two totaly different things. Whatever I wrote is not a 100% accurate, but I was trying to make it simple and uderstandable. BTW any phone (HTC also) is loosing battery capacity when is OFF. Actually, take the battery out and it will still loosing power, after some time in even more (in hot and humid conditions) than when you leave it in the deep level stage inside the Nokia.
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Hello,
usually with newer PDAs - that originally come with WM5/6 - you can turn them off completely (makes sense during the night for example).
Is this possible with BlueAngel - upgraded with WM5/6 (Helmi) somehow ?
thank you.
no you cant turn them off 100%
windows mobile was made to keep running
no matter what to keep the clock running
to keep notifications being able to start and play their alarm
and to turn on to let calls come in
incubus72 said:
Hello,
usually with newer PDAs - that originally come with WM5/6 - you can turn them off completely (makes sense during the night for example).
Is this possible with BlueAngel - upgraded with WM5/6 (Helmi) somehow ?
thank you.
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It makes sense to stop PDA completely if you are using it just for word, excel or as a music player, but if you are using it as a phone, clock and alarm unit, instant emails, then you cant turn it off completely though it can go to Power Save mode.
Turn down the volume, turn on flightmode and put into standby. Of course, alerts and notifications can still occur (That's the point!) but they won't bother you.
There's no actual need to turn it off completely.
hello,
i would like to turn off completely since
- every time when a notification comes up - the screen turns on - and sometimes it happens that i hit the screen or a button in the pocket ...
- i'd like to save battery
but i guess that's not pissible ?
thank you.
Yes, it is possible, but not the way you would like it: Take the battery out for a second, and then put it back. Device won't turn itself on. So far this is the only method. This device was never meant to be used with WM5/6, that's why it does not support many of the required features of this OS.
Hello,
i like the idea with the akku. but one more thing: what about the internal backup- akku ?
when i take the (normal) akku out - and put it back in - does the device run on the backup-battery until i turn the device on - or does it recognize immediately the (normal) akku is there, and uses it ?
you know, or do i have to try ?
thank you very much.
andreas
Take the battery out to save battery life - you'll lose some settings (namely the clock) but nothing major. Though the standby life is good.
Also, lock the device and tell it not to allow any other button pushed when locked. Should do the trick
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hello,
i would like to turn off completely since
- every time when a notification comes up - the screen turns on - and sometimes it happens that i hit the screen or a button in the pocket ...
- i'd like to save battery
but i guess that's not pissible ?
thank you.
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As others said - turn all radio off in the comm manager. then just lock the screen (on to today screen, tap on "Device unlocked"). Now, even if the device comes on, there's no problem. And battery consumption is minimal, I think. Oh, and change "Start-Settings-Buttons-Lock" to "Lock all buttons expect power button".
Stefan
Hello all!
I wonder if its possible to have an alarm on the phone when turned of. Ive searched everywhere for some answers.
I want to shut down the phone at nights and I want the phone to start up and wake me up hehe
I just tried it 2 times , and it doesn't seem to work with klaxon.
Sorry mate i think you should keep it on if you don't want to be late tomorow
Its hilarious that a phone this new doesnt support that kind of alarm. All of my other phones works that way....
It's not a phone, it's a smartphone, pretty much a small PC...
So if you poweroff your desktop, usually not much it can do
That's the same, workaround is to use PlaneMode (along WirelessTime freeware in example)
This way, it wont be off at all..
Like for PDA, you usually never power off this kind of system. You put it in standby mode instead (either automatically or manually)
And the alarm works well with the HD is in stanby mode. It will wake up and ring.
Note that the usual phone are in some kind of standby mode, not fully powered off otherwise the alarm wouldn't work either !
you can switch off the phone part in standby mode and it will give you busy signal though reminders and alarms will work.
Hello! I'm new but I have a big problem. In the enening when I go to bed I often turn off my Experia so I'm not interrupted at night and I can save my baterry. But the problem is that alarm in the morning doesn't want to ring and doesn't want to turn Xperia on back. I found recently the page on the web where somenoe said that it needs to be doen some hidden tweaks so that the WM doesn't try to look how full the baterry is before it sturts up. I can't find that page on the web again so can someone help me with this settings?
Than you.
use flight mode.
x1 cant wake up when off
I don't think any Windows Mobile phone is capable of waking itself up when it's powered down.
you probably use just as much power turning the phone on as you would have used leaving it in stand by..... just sayin'
OK, so I have tried flight mode and it works but anyway does anyone know the hidden settings to change verifiing battery from wm before it turns on again?
Oh, and another problem on my Xperia. I noticed that when I don't use it the screen (backlight) aproximetely every once in 2 minutes turns on again (my power settings are: turn backlight off after 30 sec, standby mode after 1 minute). I think that why battery last only 3 days. Can anyone know how to fix this problem? Thanks.
donci3 said:
OK, so I have tried flight mode and it works but anyway does anyone know the hidden settings to change verifiing battery from wm before it turns on again?
Oh, and another problem on my Xperia. I noticed that when I don't use it the screen (backlight) aproximetely every once in 2 minutes turns on again (my power settings are: turn backlight off after 30 sec, standby mode after 1 minute). I think that why battery last only 3 days. Can anyone know how to fix this problem? Thanks.
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Change your configuration : Settings / system/ ilumination (check here the items you have enable or disable "enable ilumination".
Well basically, your device is off when you turn turn off the screen.
Not quite. You can always leave a lot of applications running with the screen off.
So what kind of setting to save as much as it can for battery or what kind of app du you recomend?
First, as someone already said, a WM device can not turn itself on when powered down.
To conserve battery... well just make sure no CPU intensive apps are running in the background, wifi, BT, data connection are off and use auto backlight setting.
Most smartphones don't turn themselves on for alarm (WM, UIQ Symbian, S60 Symbians), but i can't tell for all (iPhone does as i've heard, no idea about Android).
PDA is not Mobile Phone.
It has operation system etc.
To run PDA you need about 1 minute for loading all components of OS.
To run Mobile Phone Alarm needs no load components of OS, just display and sound.
In PDA sound can be played with help of driver and so on.
In Mobile Phone just tiny assembler program and clock-chip.
I know my alarm worked before with Touch-It rom. But since I flashed with WM6.5 and my alarm doesn't go off when the screen is off. There's no way around this?
I can't trust the alarm at all, it sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Same on stock rom and 6.5. G-alarm is much better though..
Are you talking about turning the phone off completely,or turning off to the standby stage ? If you use the standby stage, it works fine, and hardly uses any power in this mode.
Maybe this shows that I am a noob, but here it goes.
I want to save my battary power when running the GPS, but all the power saveing settings turn the phone onto standby, thus loosing GPS lock (and when I am using my better bluetooth GPS, it locks out the bluetooth and I have to re-boot). Is there some why to just turn of the screen? Is that "an app for that"? I am currently trying out SVM Power Manager, but you can not set it to turn the screen off in 2 minites or whatever. To use it how I need, I would have to turn off the OS's power saver, and always manualy turn off the screen using SVM Power Manager. All the power manager apps I have seen work like that.
Help!
you will probably have to buy an extended battery man. i think even real android phones batteries drain pretty quick from what i hear.
Did some testing. It seems that the battery will last for about 5h with the screen of (using SVM Power Manager to turn it off), and the GPS running (GPSed running it).
Understood that the battery is just under powered, but I was wondering if there was a way to make the screen automaticaly turn off after X amount of time, but not have the phone go into standby.
I also bought one of those battery powered battery chargers (battery extender). But the one I got turned out to have only 500mAh (compared with 1100mAh in the phone battery), so it turned out to only help a bit. Maybe I will try to make one with a voltage regulator and a rechargable 9V battery
I think one of the pmsleepmodes may support this (in default.txt) Try 2 or 3. It seems like one of these didnt do a full power collapse, but did turn the screen off.
katmandu421: I am not familiar with this stuff. Can you give me a bit of a more detailed explination?
Is this a built in windows mobile funciton. Can I access this in the registry?
I love it how most of us would assume he's talking Android. Yes in android, editing your default.txt to sleep mode 0 would turn off the screen, but not sleep the system. 1,2, or 3 would allow the different system board types used in various Vogues to go to sleep.
WinMo however is a different story. The GPS in the Vogue is a low power chip, but from everything I can gather is requires the system to stay fully awake. If you find an app that allows you to turn off your screen, post back but I don't believe there is much hope to that. Windows seems to think that when the lights go out, it's sleepy time.
Also, the radio on the Vogue doesn't sleep, and it's use to wake up the phone i.e. incoming calls. The GPS is part of the radio so if there is a way to keep the system board awake, in theory it should work.
SVM Power Manager will turn off the screen while keeping everything awake, but it is not automatic. I have maped the camera button to this program, so it is not a huge hassle, but I realy would like to have it automatic.
Will consider installing Android.
Titus_Andronicus said:
SVM Power Manager will turn off the screen while keeping everything awake, but it is not automatic. I have maped the camera button to this program, so it is not a huge hassle, but I realy would like to have it automatic.
Will consider installing Android.
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Did anyone ever figure out how to do this? I'm trying to figure this out as well. After finally getting GPS to work, now I'd like to be able to use some apps that need to run when in standby.
mnations said:
Did anyone ever figure out how to do this? I'm trying to figure this out as well. After finally getting GPS to work, now I'd like to be able to use some apps that need to run when in standby.
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Check on Dev&Hacking. An app just came out today that does exactly what you are asking for here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=707458
Enjoy
egzthunder1 said:
Check on Dev&Hacking. An app just came out today that does exactly what you are asking for here.
Enjoy
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Thanks! That looks like a handy app.
An update (in case anyone hits this thread later)...I made this one change which seemed to clear up all of the problems (found elsewhere but can't post outside link yet.)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A3 8-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\Connections\Phone as Modem]
"Enabled"=dword:00000000"
Now this is in conjunction with QuickGPS and all the other fiddling I've done, so I don't if this alone is responsible.
However, when running Google Maps or other GPS applications I get a lock within 5-15 secs. Also, when coming back from standby it's able to re-lock in the same amount of time. This normally required a soft restart before.
For apps that track your routes, such as SportyPal which I've been using for mapping my bike rides, they can keep a lock even in standby mode. I'm not sure if the app itself is able to hold a lock or if QuickGPS may be helping it. Either way it works.
The alarm that comes as standard with the HD2 doesn't appear to work period
So i downloaded Klaxon but for the life of me i cant figure out how the alarm will go off when the phone is switched off, it works fine when the phone is on but i always switch my phone off @ night so want to be just woken up, my other phone a Samsung from a few years ago, the alarm on that works fine, im having some difficulty believing that a super smart phone like the HD2 doesn't actually have an alarm that actually works.
PS- I know there's some other alarm around on XDA that is supposedly excellent but costs money but not a chance am i paying money for an alarm for mobile phone it's gotta be free,anyone any info?
jonny68 said:
The alarm that comes as standard with the HD2 doesn't appear to work period
So i downloaded Klaxon but for the life of me i cant figure out how the alarm will go off when the phone is switched off, it works fine when the phone is on but i always switch my phone off @ night so want to be just woken up, my other phone a Samsung from a few years ago, the alarm on that works fine, im having some difficulty believing that a super smart phone like the HD2 doesn't actually have an alarm that actually works.
PS- I know there's some other alarm around on XDA that is supposedly excellent but costs money but not a chance am i paying money for an alarm for mobile phone it's gotta be free,anyone any info?
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There isn't an alarm program I know of that is able to switch the device on from an off state, including the standard one (I'm guessing thats why you think it doesn't work?)
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There isn't an alarm program I know of that is able to switch the device on from an off state, including the standard one (I'm guessing thats why you think it doesn't work?)
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Negative - when i set the alarm on my Samsung Tocco for 7.15am Mon > Fri and turn my phone off @ nite the alarm always goes off without fail, in fact almost every phone ive had has done the same (are you sure your not getting confused with something else here?) so im amazed the HD2 wont work
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Negative - when i set the alarm on my Samsung Tocco for 7.15am Mon > Fri and turn my phone off @ nite the alarm always goes off without fail, in fact almost every phone ive had has done the same (are you sure your not getting confused with something else here?) so im amazed the HD2 wont work
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The Samsung Tocco isn't a Windows Mobile?
As I said, I don't know of a program which does this.
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The Samsung Tocco isn't a Windows Mobile?
As I said, I don't know of a program which does this.
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I'm fully aware of that mate ive got a HD2 and a Samsung Tocco, my question WAS why cant a phone like the HD2 which is supposely the best phone on the market do something as simple as have an alarm that actually works (whether or not the phone is switched on or not)it's truly bizzare.
I cant think of a single mobile phone ive had since probably the early `noughties` where an alarm didn't work, surely to f**k a phone like the HD2 has to have an alarm that works?
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I'm fully aware of that mate ive got a HD2 and a Samsung Tocco, my question WAS why cant a phone like the HD2 which is supposely the best phone on the market do something as simple as have an alarm that actually works (whether or not the phone is switched on or not)it's truly bizzare.
I cant think of a single mobile phone ive had since probably the early `noughties` where an alarm didn't work, surely to f**k a phone like the HD2 has to have an alarm that works?
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I was just confirming that I wasn't getting confused. There isn't even a program I can find since pocket pc 2003 that can actually switch the device on from cold.
The alarm works on mine. In what way does yours not work? Does it appear on screen and not make a noise?
I just always put the phone in flight mode at night. Use's hardly any power(3 or 4% for 7 hours) and the alarm always goe's off then. ( I use G alarm by the way, the 1 you have to pay for) Boot time is not great on the hd2 so would rather leave it on anyway saves time in the morning. As already mentioned i am also not aware of any alarm that will boot up the phone from powered off. Nobody can ring you or anything while your in flight mode or data connect, so it's like switching the phone off anyway. Hope thats of some help for you
to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
ASCIIker said:
to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
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thanks for your in-depth answer!
ASCIIker said:
to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
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Thanks for your response you've explained it well, i may set it to flight mode and silent
Hi guys, I realised this "feature" the HD2 has also.. I'm not really disappointed, but just a little perplexed as I "thought" my HD2 would have woken me up just the other day when I turned it off with an alarm fixed (thinking that it would wake up at that stipulated timing). The thing is, I have an Omnia, and my dad has an Omnia 2, and I'm pretty sure they both WILL boot up and sound the alarm if the phone is turned off with an alarm set. I have checked through the Omnia 2, and under the "Alarm" tab, there is an option to choose whether the phone will/will not boot up if it's turned off...
Anyway, not trying to prove anything here but just to let you guys know that it's possible with a phone running on windows... Good day! =)
some of the older smart phones are able to wake the phone to sound alarms because they arent truly off. remember how phones used to essentially hard reset if the battery and the backup battery died? (xda IIi for example) because their flash memory was volatile, well this meant that even when off they were still slightly on, whereas the hd2 and the like go completely off. turn your phone off and in a week turn it back on, battery still charged. on the xda 2i even when its off it would drain the battery in 5 or 6 days, and perform a fresh install when you did power back on.