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turn off completely

Hello,
usually with newer PDAs - that originally come with WM5/6 - you can turn them off completely (makes sense during the night for example).
Is this possible with BlueAngel - upgraded with WM5/6 (Helmi) somehow ?
thank you.

no you cant turn them off 100%
windows mobile was made to keep running
no matter what to keep the clock running
to keep notifications being able to start and play their alarm
and to turn on to let calls come in

incubus72 said:
Hello,
usually with newer PDAs - that originally come with WM5/6 - you can turn them off completely (makes sense during the night for example).
Is this possible with BlueAngel - upgraded with WM5/6 (Helmi) somehow ?
thank you.
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It makes sense to stop PDA completely if you are using it just for word, excel or as a music player, but if you are using it as a phone, clock and alarm unit, instant emails, then you cant turn it off completely though it can go to Power Save mode.

Turn down the volume, turn on flightmode and put into standby. Of course, alerts and notifications can still occur (That's the point!) but they won't bother you.
There's no actual need to turn it off completely.

hello,
i would like to turn off completely since
- every time when a notification comes up - the screen turns on - and sometimes it happens that i hit the screen or a button in the pocket ...
- i'd like to save battery
but i guess that's not pissible ?
thank you.

Yes, it is possible, but not the way you would like it: Take the battery out for a second, and then put it back. Device won't turn itself on. So far this is the only method. This device was never meant to be used with WM5/6, that's why it does not support many of the required features of this OS.

Hello,
i like the idea with the akku. but one more thing: what about the internal backup- akku ?
when i take the (normal) akku out - and put it back in - does the device run on the backup-battery until i turn the device on - or does it recognize immediately the (normal) akku is there, and uses it ?
you know, or do i have to try ?
thank you very much.
andreas

Take the battery out to save battery life - you'll lose some settings (namely the clock) but nothing major. Though the standby life is good.
Also, lock the device and tell it not to allow any other button pushed when locked. Should do the trick

incubus72 said:
hello,
i would like to turn off completely since
- every time when a notification comes up - the screen turns on - and sometimes it happens that i hit the screen or a button in the pocket ...
- i'd like to save battery
but i guess that's not pissible ?
thank you.
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As others said - turn all radio off in the comm manager. then just lock the screen (on to today screen, tap on "Device unlocked"). Now, even if the device comes on, there's no problem. And battery consumption is minimal, I think. Oh, and change "Start-Settings-Buttons-Lock" to "Lock all buttons expect power button".
Stefan

Alarm when turned off???

Hello all!
I wonder if its possible to have an alarm on the phone when turned of. Ive searched everywhere for some answers.
I want to shut down the phone at nights and I want the phone to start up and wake me up hehe

I just tried it 2 times , and it doesn't seem to work with klaxon.
Sorry mate i think you should keep it on if you don't want to be late tomorow

Its hilarious that a phone this new doesnt support that kind of alarm. All of my other phones works that way....

It's not a phone, it's a smartphone, pretty much a small PC...
So if you poweroff your desktop, usually not much it can do
That's the same, workaround is to use PlaneMode (along WirelessTime freeware in example)
This way, it wont be off at all..

Like for PDA, you usually never power off this kind of system. You put it in standby mode instead (either automatically or manually)
And the alarm works well with the HD is in stanby mode. It will wake up and ring.
Note that the usual phone are in some kind of standby mode, not fully powered off otherwise the alarm wouldn't work either !

you can switch off the phone part in standby mode and it will give you busy signal though reminders and alarms will work.

Power control of the Vogue

Maybe this shows that I am a noob, but here it goes.
I want to save my battary power when running the GPS, but all the power saveing settings turn the phone onto standby, thus loosing GPS lock (and when I am using my better bluetooth GPS, it locks out the bluetooth and I have to re-boot). Is there some why to just turn of the screen? Is that "an app for that"? I am currently trying out SVM Power Manager, but you can not set it to turn the screen off in 2 minites or whatever. To use it how I need, I would have to turn off the OS's power saver, and always manualy turn off the screen using SVM Power Manager. All the power manager apps I have seen work like that.
Help!

you will probably have to buy an extended battery man. i think even real android phones batteries drain pretty quick from what i hear.

Did some testing. It seems that the battery will last for about 5h with the screen of (using SVM Power Manager to turn it off), and the GPS running (GPSed running it).
Understood that the battery is just under powered, but I was wondering if there was a way to make the screen automaticaly turn off after X amount of time, but not have the phone go into standby.
I also bought one of those battery powered battery chargers (battery extender). But the one I got turned out to have only 500mAh (compared with 1100mAh in the phone battery), so it turned out to only help a bit. Maybe I will try to make one with a voltage regulator and a rechargable 9V battery

I think one of the pmsleepmodes may support this (in default.txt) Try 2 or 3. It seems like one of these didnt do a full power collapse, but did turn the screen off.

katmandu421: I am not familiar with this stuff. Can you give me a bit of a more detailed explination?
Is this a built in windows mobile funciton. Can I access this in the registry?

I love it how most of us would assume he's talking Android. Yes in android, editing your default.txt to sleep mode 0 would turn off the screen, but not sleep the system. 1,2, or 3 would allow the different system board types used in various Vogues to go to sleep.
WinMo however is a different story. The GPS in the Vogue is a low power chip, but from everything I can gather is requires the system to stay fully awake. If you find an app that allows you to turn off your screen, post back but I don't believe there is much hope to that. Windows seems to think that when the lights go out, it's sleepy time.
Also, the radio on the Vogue doesn't sleep, and it's use to wake up the phone i.e. incoming calls. The GPS is part of the radio so if there is a way to keep the system board awake, in theory it should work.

SVM Power Manager will turn off the screen while keeping everything awake, but it is not automatic. I have maped the camera button to this program, so it is not a huge hassle, but I realy would like to have it automatic.
Will consider installing Android.

Titus_Andronicus said:
SVM Power Manager will turn off the screen while keeping everything awake, but it is not automatic. I have maped the camera button to this program, so it is not a huge hassle, but I realy would like to have it automatic.
Will consider installing Android.
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Did anyone ever figure out how to do this? I'm trying to figure this out as well. After finally getting GPS to work, now I'd like to be able to use some apps that need to run when in standby.

mnations said:
Did anyone ever figure out how to do this? I'm trying to figure this out as well. After finally getting GPS to work, now I'd like to be able to use some apps that need to run when in standby.
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Check on Dev&Hacking. An app just came out today that does exactly what you are asking for here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=707458
Enjoy

egzthunder1 said:
Check on Dev&Hacking. An app just came out today that does exactly what you are asking for here.
Enjoy
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Thanks! That looks like a handy app.
An update (in case anyone hits this thread later)...I made this one change which seemed to clear up all of the problems (found elsewhere but can't post outside link yet.)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A3 8-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\Connections\Phone as Modem]
"Enabled"=dword:00000000"
Now this is in conjunction with QuickGPS and all the other fiddling I've done, so I don't if this alone is responsible.
However, when running Google Maps or other GPS applications I get a lock within 5-15 secs. Also, when coming back from standby it's able to re-lock in the same amount of time. This normally required a soft restart before.
For apps that track your routes, such as SportyPal which I've been using for mapping my bike rides, they can keep a lock even in standby mode. I'm not sure if the app itself is able to hold a lock or if QuickGPS may be helping it. Either way it works.

Alarm while phone is off!!

Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!

Flight mode is the way.
It is useless to switch off the phone...in flight mode the battery has almost no drains (1% at most).

monilhathi said:
Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!
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That's because when you switch the phone off IT IS OFF.
A Nokia, say, doesn't switch off - it goes into flight mode and switches the screen off.
If you notice a Nokia phone loses battery power even when swithed off because in fact it is still on. That's why the alarms go off
Therefor: Switch to flightmode and turn the screen off = same result - but smarter !!!!

Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??

monilhathi said:
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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It's a feature Nokia added so people could turn the phone signals off manually in situations where it was unwanted. On planes for example.

You could try this
Ageye G-Alarm, is isn't free but claims to
"Save battery power overnight
Using the integrated flight mode you can turn off the phone and therefore minimize the battery drain until the next alarm. Afterwards G-Alarm automatically turns your phone on again."
Same thing, but might do it automatically, but its too much for me, I don't need all the functions so haven't tried it.

Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!

monilhathi said:
Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!
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Which two 3rd party apps are involved in using flight mode? (by my count none are used)
You can even configure a long hold of the hang-up button to enable it if you want in button config...
P.

monilhathi said:
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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In Flight mode, you can still use your phone in "off-line" mode, you can even use WiFi... so saying that turned off Nokia is actually still ON - only in flight mode - can only say someone who doesn't have a clue what is going on inside the phones. Turning Symbian phones OFF/ON means soft reset, does turning Flight mode ON/Off means soft reset in any phone? Of course not.
Take your laptop - there is power save mode, sleep mode and hibernation. But OS (say Windows) is still running, even it is on the lowest possible level, so a few external inputs (keyboard, mouse, modem), most of them you can specify in Bios, can bring the system from stanby or even hybernation mode. When you turn off your Nokia, operating system (Symbian and Maemo too) is completely off. But the internal clock chip is still running, althoug only on cca 1/100th of clock rate. When you turn phone off, the info from the alarm clock is written to this chip, telling him after how many those slow cycles he suppose to wake up (if there is anough power from the battery left). Would be easy to implement this to any phone hardware, HTC, Sony ... they'll just have to run something else than Win OS. So blame the Microsoft - but go easy on them - it's relict from the old ages of PDA, when Windows and phones were two totaly different things. Whatever I wrote is not a 100% accurate, but I was trying to make it simple and uderstandable. BTW any phone (HTC also) is loosing battery capacity when is OFF. Actually, take the battery out and it will still loosing power, after some time in even more (in hot and humid conditions) than when you leave it in the deep level stage inside the Nokia.

Screensaver that powers off screen but leaves device running?

Hi,
I've searched for several hours now in these forums and on Google, with no success.
I need an app that leaves the device switched on, but powers off the screen.
In settings/power I can dim the screen, but there is no setting to dim it completely or just switch it off.
I've found screensavers that can show a blank screen, but the screen is still actually powered up, just showing a black image presumably.
I've found apps that can switch off the screen. But you have to manually click on them to switch off the screen.
Does anyone know of a screensaver that after a set interval will leave the device running, but power off the screen please?
Suspend is no good, the device must be up and running apps.
Thanks for your help.

ClearOutLoft said:
Hi,
I've searched for several hours now in these forums and on Google, with no success.
I need an app that leaves the device switched on, but powers off the screen.
In settings/power I can dim the screen, but there is no setting to dim it completely or just switch it off.
I've found screensavers that can show a blank screen, but the screen is still actually powered up, just showing a black image presumably.
I've found apps that can switch off the screen. But you have to manually click on them to switch off the screen.
Does anyone know of a screensaver that after a set interval will leave the device running, but power off the screen please?
Suspend is no good, the device must be up and running apps.
Thanks for your help.
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What apps are you trying to "keep running"? The only thing that might be an issue when the screen goes into it's normal sleep mode is that audio will stop outputting, and wifi connections will suspend, but there's cabs available here to easily get around both of those (and keep them going even when the screen shuts off).

Well, it's actually to solve another long-running problem that has made me almost lose the will to live....
Alarms don't go off reliably on my TP2.
Sometimes, randomly, the alarm doesn't go off until I press the power button to wake it up. The the alarm instantly goes off. So, if I set an alarm for 6am, sometimes the phone wakes up and the alarm sounds, sometimes not. And if I switch the phone on manually sometime later, at 6:15 say, the 6am alarm sounds then.
It will work fine for a few days, then fail.
It happened on WM6.1 and still continues after upgrading to WM6.5.
I have spent countless hours googling and searching XDA-Dev. I have tried probably ten different alarm apps, with no luck. I have hard-reset various times. I have tried various recommended registry tweaks. I've tried checking the notification queue regularly for any errors. I've tried so many different suggestions, for example, never pressing the power button to turn the phone off, only ever let it hibernate automatically. Warm-resetting it each day. And the list goes on.
So, I'm experimenting with just leaving the phone on forever. But turning the screen off at night to save power / not shorten the life of the screen hardware.
Which leads me to the question about screensavers which actually power off the screen automatically after a set delay. Just like a normal screensaver on a PC.
It's hard to easily convey the frustration I have for the TP2. An excellent phone. But a phone which I can't trust to do the simplest thing: to wake me up in the morning?
It'll end up in the bin at some point very soon now.....

A suggestion
Hi,
In my opinion there must be an application, change or customisation that is leading you to those problems. My suggestion is, to perform a sync towards any computer or server to keep your contacts, then, hard reset and keep the phone with the factory defaults for a while. Then, test the phone's alarms and if all is okay, add one by one your applications and changes, testing the alarms in between. Please do that on the official ROM (whatever 6.5 or 6.1) but official one. You will flash if needed later on.
I know it will be a pain, but you will find the problem.
I am using a TP2 with stock WM6.5 ROM. I have not had yet any issue with the alarms. However, I remember to have had those kind of problems before with WM 5.0 and 6.1. There were always related to freeware applications, customisations, no official ROMs, registry hacks and restored backups done from older builds upon upgrade. The alarm bug in old WM version was also known, but I have not experienced it on newer versions.
There can be some issues with the notification database by times, but as said above, it is almost every time due to customisations.
I am not saying that we should keep our phones without applications, third party software, cooked ROMs, customisation etc. But the goal is to find out what is the reason, and believe me. It is the best if not only way.
If you post the list of applications and hacks that you have in your phone, I can try to see if there is any I could identify like guilty one, based on my own experience.
Complementary, I recommend you to install and use these two applications in attachment. They have worked for me on WM5, 6, 6.1 and 6.5 so far. They are freeware and therefore you can use them without problems.
Good luck!

Thanks for taking the time to reply. All very good advice. I'll have a go when I've got some free time again. In the meantime, has anyone come across a screensaver that actually powers off the screen please?
Thanks again.

ClearOutLoft said:
Well, it's actually to solve another long-running problem that has made me almost lose the will to live....
Alarms don't go off reliably on my TP2.
Sometimes, randomly, the alarm doesn't go off until I press the power button to wake it up. The the alarm instantly goes off. So, if I set an alarm for 6am, sometimes the phone wakes up and the alarm sounds, sometimes not. And if I switch the phone on manually sometime later, at 6:15 say, the 6am alarm sounds then.
It will work fine for a few days, then fail.
It happened on WM6.1 and still continues after upgrading to WM6.5.
I have spent countless hours googling and searching XDA-Dev. I have tried probably ten different alarm apps, with no luck. I have hard-reset various times. I have tried various recommended registry tweaks. I've tried checking the notification queue regularly for any errors. I've tried so many different suggestions, for example, never pressing the power button to turn the phone off, only ever let it hibernate automatically. Warm-resetting it each day. And the list goes on.
So, I'm experimenting with just leaving the phone on forever. But turning the screen off at night to save power / not shorten the life of the screen hardware.
Which leads me to the question about screensavers which actually power off the screen automatically after a set delay. Just like a normal screensaver on a PC.
It's hard to easily convey the frustration I have for the TP2. An excellent phone. But a phone which I can't trust to do the simplest thing: to wake me up in the morning?
It'll end up in the bin at some point very soon now.....
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do you turn your ringer to silent or vibrate when you go to bed? if so,
go to start/settings/clocks&alarms/more and make sure that the "sound alarms box" is checked. this will make sure that even if your phone ringers/alerts are off, your alarm will ring. also, if you charge your phone while you sleep, go to the backlight settings and uncheck the "turn screen off on ac power" box. if you cant sleep with the phone light on, set it to max dim on ac power and flip it over. i always had this issue when i had the tmobile wing.

ClearOutLoft said:
Hi,
I've searched for several hours now in these forums and on Google, with no success.
I need an app that leaves the device switched on, but powers off the screen.
In settings/power I can dim the screen, but there is no setting to dim it completely or just switch it off.
I've found screensavers that can show a blank screen, but the screen is still actually powered up, just showing a black image presumably.
I've found apps that can switch off the screen. But you have to manually click on them to switch off the screen.
Does anyone know of a screensaver that after a set interval will leave the device running, but power off the screen please?
Suspend is no good, the device must be up and running apps.
Thanks for your help.
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S2U2 on this forum.

try g alarm.it worked perfect for me with tilt

I have similar Issues with my TP2;
I notice that it is more to do with HIBERNATING than screen off.
My TP2 has go to the point where allowing it to go to hibernation means Screen of Death.
Overnight I charge it and do not let the screen go off and it seems ok (so far).
Guess I will have to Hard reset and test my freeware.
Cheers
G

I had the exact same problem. When the phone goes to sleep, it is ASLEEP. I didn't use the alarm too much but the phone would never notify me when SMS arrived. I'd hit the power switch to check, and bam, three messages arrive at once, some from hours ago. Immensely frustrating, but the problem went away when I installed Energy rom.