I noticed that when I boot up my mini and I don't insert my code, I can still use my phone. As in browsing through my emails, sms, foto's, files, etc.
The code's only function seems to be making the connection with a network.
Is this a flaw on htc's side or is something not right with my phone?
PIN protects only your phone line.
You could enable the device lock, I believe setting a time out of 0 minutes forces you to input your chosen password when you turn the phone on. This means you'll then have two passwords/PINs to enter each time you soft reset (assuming you keep your SIM's PIN enabled), but if you're concerned about privacy, it is an idea. You may also want to consider encrypting your microSD card.
Excuse me butting in to a non-familiar sub-forum, I was attempting to find the wiki page for this device, attempting to help someone buy their first smartphone.
yeah i tried that, but then it asks you for a code everytime you unlock our device as well and that becomes a pain very quickly
It's not that this bothers me that much, I just think it's strange the phone's protection is this weak
If it didn't ask you to enter the PIN when you unlock your device or use ActiveSync/Windows Mobile Device Centre, then your data would be at risk if the phone was stolen whilst it was turned on. I see where you're coming from (I've stopped using device lock for this very reason), however all the HTC devices I've owned have behaved this way, possible it is a Windows Mobile behaviour?
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If it didn't ask you to enter the PIN when you unlock your device or use ActiveSync/Windows Mobile Device Centre, then your data would be at risk if the phone was stolen whilst it was turned on. I see where you're coming from (I've stopped using device lock for this very reason), however all the HTC devices I've owned have behaved this way, possible it is a Windows Mobile behaviour?
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Not a WinMo problem. This is specifically an HTC problem.
The WinMo locking feature is supposed to be able to set time criteria. For example, set it to 4 hours. When you boot up your phone, it goes to ask the password once. Then it won't be asking it anymore until you reboot your phone again, or until you didn't move your phone for straight 4 hours. You can set different number of hours for this effect.
All my other WinMo phones from 5.0 to 6.x does this thing perfectly. Only my first HTC unit, this HD mini, won't allow this simple feature to work correctly as intended. HTC somehow tweaked this basic WinMo feature, and broke it. So now, if you enable the lock feature, it ask for password each time you come out of standby, no matter what situation, no matter how long or short your phone was on standby. Very annoying. Making it useless.
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Not a WinMo problem. This is specifically an HTC problem.
The WinMo locking feature is supposed to be able to set time criteria. For example, set it to 4 hours. When you boot up your phone, it goes to ask the password once. Then it won't be asking it anymore until you reboot your phone again, or until you didn't move your phone for straight 4 hours. You can set different number of hours for this effect.
All my other WinMo phones from 5.0 to 6.x does this thing perfectly. Only my first HTC unit, this HD mini, won't allow this simple feature to work correctly as intended. HTC somehow tweaked this basic WinMo feature, and broke it. So now, if you enable the lock feature, it ask for password each time you come out of standby, no matter what situation, no matter how long or short your phone was on standby. Very annoying. Making it useless.
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Yeah sometimes you wonder how did they screw it up so much ?
I really think its better to build a Rom from scratch, I also miss the normal functioning windows start menu. They crippled so much... its almost pathetic...
HTC screwed up many of those simple and beautiful stock WinMo apps, features, and configurations. Not just this one.
I don't really get why they did this. Maybe to discourage you from using stock WinMo apps? Or maybe they're just plain dumb dumb and dumber?
Ah, now I understand the problem. Have you tried other locked apps? CHT's version / S2U2 etc. ?
I don't know exactly what you mean by using other apps, but if your question is if I can use apps or shells without entering my PIN my answer is yes.
If you were aiming at the unlock code popping up everytime I put my phone on standby, it's a hardware button so apps don't affect it I guess
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Yeah sometimes you wonder how did they screw it up so much ?
I really think its better to build a Rom from scratch, I also miss the normal functioning windows start menu. They crippled so much... its almost pathetic...
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you can still use the normal windows start menu, just disable sense in the settings
it makes your phone a hell of a lot faster and although it's not that spectacular to look at, it's much more functional than sense
i've been using spb mobile shell since a few weeks after i bought my mini and it's made my phone a lot nicer to use.
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I almost got my phone stolen(some friend my friend is)and was wondering if there was a way to track my phone if it gets stolen. I paid $400 for my g1 and I don't want it stolen.
I know there are a number of different programs that can track the phones location and others can log online to a website and look at your current location. However, The GPS will need to be on and the program would need to be running. There are a few different programs, I tested out FirePin, it worked nice, but had no need for it and the online account was free.
I'd suggest PinTail from the market. You set up a pin code on the G1. When you want to locate it, you send a text message saying "locate <pin code>". The G1 gets your GPS location and texts back the coordinates and even a map link.
Just downloaded this app and its pretty cool and works very well... just have to make sure the other half doesn't get hold of the pin code! hehe
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Just downloaded this app and its pretty cool and works very well... just have to make sure the other half doesn't get hold of the pin code! hehe
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Also i Suggest adding That annoying LOCK screen to it... it saves wonders... Now if they only made a program you could set the default lock timeout.
not that this is a Pintail thread but I see how this could be useful but not great. If whoever has your phone has access to its menu they can change the pin which makes the application useless once your phone is gone.
just my 2 cents. If there was a way to lock out changing the pin, that would be useful, but on the same note it uninstalling this app should also require some sort of pw/pin
Could be pretty useful too if you loose the phone (Not actually theft)... Eg, I once left my mobile out at college and didn't realise... Sure it may not be accurate enough to know the exact room but it'd have stopped me spending so long searching around the house!
gps tracker on the andriod market works great and is the best
agrees gps tracker worked nice for me ... however there is no way to trigger the gps and initialize the tracking. i have my POWER MANAGER Set that way when my phone turns on, it gets plugged in or unplugged it turns on gps and cell location.
so depending on how prone u might b to loosing ur phone this is the best i would think. unless someone was familiar with android ... otherwise this method would have plenty of time to get coordinates
Is there a way to remotely turn GPS on? Like the "Force Ring" app changes ring volume to high when the phone is texted with a pin. Would be a nice app if you could remotely turn the lock screen on and turn GPS on by way of text. Anyone know if thats possible?
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if the g1 had a built in battery with the screen lock enabled this could allow the owner of the phone to have time to track the phone. as soon as that phone is off and sim is removed, its gone...
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I want to enable a password on my device (I already have the sim pin lock turned on) so if my THD is stolen someone cant remove the old sim and still gain access to my data, (8gb is a LOT of personal data).
When i go into the settings/lock and set it to 'ask a password' when the device goes on it seems to disable the ability to use the keylock function. It asks for a password at boot, but once its on if you try to do the long press of the end key, nothing happens (no matter how long you hold the END key for). It seems to be either.. Password protect at Startup OR the abitity to lock the keys while the phone is on. Has anyone found a work around, cos id love to be able to password protect it AND have the ability to use a keylock function because its a big touch screen and i dont really want my phone to start calling at random when its in my pocket.
Someone suggested using S2U2 as a keylock, is this gonna affect any Touch HD functions (iv heard it causes battery issues) cos i dont really wanna open a can of worms by installing software if its gonna cause problems, and can i use it with TF3D, Thanks.
using happily with touchflo3d myself. didnt notice any battery issues. but I set it to autolock when it comes out of standby so i don't really "use" it much. I guess you just try it by yourself and find if it suits your needs?
you can always uninstall
"Smart Protect" would be perfect for you - I'm too tired to write down what it can do (its 4:00 AM) but it's the only software you need to feel safe. When your PDA gets stolen it even sends an SMS with GPS coordinates as well as the number of the inserted SIM card to as many numbers as you like (so you can give them to the Police and smile 'cause they will have everything they need to find the thief). It has tons of options and every single one can be set as you like. Just remember - once installed it cannot be uninstalled (ever) - manufacture restore is the only solution.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-smart-protect.html
Anyone else seeing this behavior? On my 995, whenever I restart, or power on my phone.. I have to use the Knock Code to get into my phone, and it says "fingerprints unavailable for use" or something to that effect.
I find this odd behavior.
Its not odd behavior its LG behavior.
Unfortunately there's no way around it.
turn off secure startup in security...
Your fingerprint is encrypted and you phone can't access encrypted data until you unlock it after a reboot. So its kinda a catch 22 where you will always have to unlock with a pin after startup instead of fingerprint. Your fingerprint is biometric data and obviously can't be changed so it needs to more secure on your phone than your pin which you can change. It is this way on most phones with fingerprint readers.
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Its not odd behavior its LG behavior.
Unfortunately there's no way around it.
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It's not just LG, my Samsung S7 and Note 7 both required pin code on first log in after a reboot/boot up
It's part of Android now.
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It's not just LG, my Samsung S7 and Note 7 both required pin code on first log in after a reboot/boot up
It's part of Android now.
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It's not even Android. My work phone is an iPhone and it has the same behavior. Which drives me nuts because our work phones require us to change pin codes every couple of months and we can't recycle codes.
I turned off secure startup as I don't need kids messing with my phone and I imagine after ten attempts if wipes it?
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I turned off secure startup as I don't need kids messing with my phone and I imagine after ten attempts if wipes it?
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30 attempts for secure boot
If I'm right, the op is taking about setting the fingerprint to unlock but it still requires the pattern. You will notice this if you use a third party app or launcher to lock screen. E.g. Nova launcher double tap to lock screen. It will tell you fingerprint is unavailable.
A work around to this is to doubly tap the top part of the screen (the bar where the date and signal strength is).
This will allow you to unlock with fingerprint.
If you use the stock lg launcher then double tapping anywhere on screen shows you to unlock using fingerprint.
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If I'm right, the op is taking about setting the fingerprint to unlock but it still requires the pattern. You will notice this if you use a third party app or launcher to lock screen. E.g. Nova launcher double tap to lock screen. It will tell you fingerprint is unavailable.
A work around to this is to doubly tap the top part of the screen (the bar where the date and signal strength is).
This will allow you to unlock with fingerprint.
If you use the stock lg launcher then double tapping anywhere on screen shows you to unlock using fingerprint.
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I'm working with a developer of Screen Lock Pro to try and find a workaround for this. Currently his app will work on Android 5 and 6 by delaying the lock for 5-10 seconds but it's currently not working on Android 7 on LG (it is working on Pixel and Nexus devices).
Hmmm... Not sure I understand this behavior. My fingerprint is much more complex than a 4-digit code that can eventually be brute-forced (phone wipe or not - in theory I mean).. so why wouldn't my fingerprint be the top-most factor in unlocking the phone? I mean.. say I'm one of those guys that uses his last four of an SSN like an idiot, and someone knows that about me.. boom, they're in my phone. Do iPhones do this for real (as stated above)?
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It's not even Android. My work phone is an iPhone and it has the same behavior. Which drives me nuts because our work phones require us to change pin codes every couple of months and we can't recycle codes.
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Interesting. I wonder what type of MDM Solution your company is running...
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Hmmm... Not sure I understand this behavior. My fingerprint is much more complex than a 4-digit code that can eventually be brute-forced (phone wipe or not - in theory I mean).. so why wouldn't my fingerprint be the top-most factor in unlocking the phone? I mean.. say I'm one of those guys that uses his last four of an SSN like an idiot, and someone knows that about me.. boom, they're in my phone. Do iPhones do this for real (as stated above)?
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Yup, every time I restart my iPhone, it asks for my pin number and the finger print reader is inoperable. Even when I don't restart my iPhone for a while, it will occasionally lock out the reader and require a pin to wake.
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Interesting. I wonder what type of MDM Solution your company is running...
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Had to figure out where in the menus to dig through to find out who it is. (I seriously do not like how Apple sets their phones up.) Looks like it is AWMDM.
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Had to figure out where in the menus to dig through to find out who it is. (I seriously do not like how Apple sets their phones up.) Looks like it is AWMDM.
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Airwatch, by VMware. MDM....aka you're being watched...
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Airwatch, by VMware. MDM....aka you're being watched...
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I always assume as much. Not really a bother for me. The iPhone is a work phone that I don't like carrying or touching. My personal phone is always my go to for anything unless it is work related.
I have this on my nexus 6p also. When ever i reboot the phone it requires me to use my pattern to unlock. It's a "feature" of sorts. Not going to go into my thoughts as to why but i think i may understand why they did that.
In case anyone is wondering, a few conditions that force you to use backup method are being left alone (with no smart locks enabled or active) for 4 hours, a reboot, and a failed scan 5 times in a row.
The reboot case is due to encrypted data (no matter what you do, your phone is encrypted on boot, unless you fix that, however, you phone will still treat it as such). The only reason I can imagine for the time out is in case a ninja chops off your fingers in your sleep. As for the wrong input, that seems annoying sure, but odds are if you got the fingerprint wrong 5 times in a row, it's not you.
Yeah v10 does this as well on fresh boot ups.
I'm not sure I understand the reason behind it I would think it would be less secure this way.
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In case anyone is wondering, a few conditions that force you to use backup method are being left alone (with no smart locks enabled or active) for 4 hours, a reboot, and a failed scan 5 times in a row.
The reboot case is due to encrypted data (no matter what you do, your phone is encrypted on boot, unless you fix that, however, you phone will still treat it as such). The only reason I can imagine for the time out is in case a ninja chops off your fingers in your sleep. As for the wrong input, that seems annoying sure, but odds are if you got the fingerprint wrong 5 times in a row, it's not you.
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I'm not sure I'm following as to why encryption matters. Are you saying my fingerprint data is encrypted? If so, why isn't my PIN also encrypted?
Speaking of fingerprints has anyone run into the issue where the phone "forgets" your print? I have had this happen at random times and while the fingerprint data is still saved the phone fails to recognize my finger so I have to set it up again.
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Hi all,
My LG V20 is my first Android phone. I got it for a specific app (Drone controller) and to just give it a try and see what apps I am missing out on. I am having some problems figuring out how to accomplish a few things with the Android OS.
How do I prevent notifications from apps and the OS and screen timeouts from interrupting Maps while driving? I set the destination on the Map app and then plugged it into the charger in my car. It immediately popped up a "slow charging" notification that took the phone to the lock screen. I had to enter my PIN to unlock it. I then got an email that also switched to the lock screen. I realize that I can disable notifications on the lock screen but there must be a way to prevent this when running a specific app like Maps. The screen then timed out and I was unable to see the map.
Windows 10 Mobile has none of these problems. Notifications show up as a temporary banner and then go away. My Android phone will not retain my Screen Timeout setting. It constantly reverts to 30 sec. I am thinking this may be due to an Exchange account for work, but again, this did not happen on the Windows Phone. It is sad to see that the Windows Mobile platform has not succeeded. I think it is far superior in so many ways.
I have been trying to use Widgets to simulate the functionality that Live Tiles provides on the Windows Phone. So far, I am quite disappointed.
I have found that all phone sounds sometimes stop when I play music using the Groove app, even if I kill the app. I have to restart the phone to get them back.
Cortana on Windows 10 Mobile is much more powerful when connected to my car. You can "Call Cortana" and have all of her capabilities available by voice commands. I tried the Android Auto app but it is pretty much useless.
I still have the Lumia 950 and will probably swap the SIM between these phones until I can solve some of these issues.
Frequently it says that Fingerprint unlock is unavailable at random times. Why?
RGBellCSI said:
Hi all,
My LG V20 is my first Android phone. I got it for a specific app (Drone controller) and to just give it a try and see what apps I am missing out on. I am having some problems figuring out how to accomplish a few things with the Android OS.
How do I prevent notifications from apps and the OS and screen timeouts from interrupting Maps while driving? I set the destination on the Map app and then plugged it into the charger in my car. It immediately popped up a "slow charging" notification that took the phone to the lock screen. I had to enter my PIN to unlock it. I then got an email that also switched to the lock screen. I realize that I can disable notifications on the lock screen but there must be a way to prevent this when running a specific app like Maps. The screen then timed out and I was unable to see the map. Windows 10 Mobile has none of these problems. Notifications show up as a temporary banner and then go away.
There is Something called "Do not disturb". You can access it by swiping down the status bar and it is found in the quicktools. Do a long press to configure it and it should block any notification from any other apps unless you whitelist the the app you want. After you properly configure it, it just take 1 press on the quicktool "do not disturb" to stop receiving popups notifications from other apps. If You car happens to have bluetooth or you have an fm transmitter(with bluetooth) you can activate smart lockscreen so that the device remains unlock as long as you are paired to the bluetooth (at least that's what i do because that feature is AMAZING! hands down to LG LOL)
My Android phone will not retain my Screen Timeout setting. It constantly reverts to 30 sec. I am thinking this may be due to an Exchange account for work, but again, this did not happen on the Windows Phone. It is sad to see that the Windows Mobile platform has not succeeded. I think it is far superior in so many ways.
I highly doubt that an Exchange account is the one causing the Screen timeout to go back to 30. Considering i have 2 gmails account, 1 hotmail account, and 1 account from my college all in the same V20. However, i just changed my screen time out to 2 min, 1 min, and 15 sec, and in all of them, i rebooted the phone, and my changes remain applied. Which leads me to believe that then there might be an app that you have installed that messes with the screen time out of the phone.
I have been trying to use Widgets to simulate the functionality that Live Tiles provides on the Windows Phone. So far, I am quite disappointed.
In androids we have something called launchers. and you will be amazed that you can simulate even windows 10 with such launcher. Now, for "x" and "y" reasons, youw will never get exactly what you want from the lumia to be on android. However, these launchers can help you to get as closer experience to windows as possible. Go to the playstore and type windows 10 launcher (for example). See if you like what they offer. Also, sometimes you have to find the right widgets for you, there are widgets that are animated, there are others that dont. Etc... Android is pretty much a world full of customizations for which you will have to do some digging into the playstore, settings, among other things.
I have found that all phone sounds sometimes stop when I play music using the Groove app, even if I kill the app. I have to restart the phone to get them back.
Now that's strange. My phone lowers the volume of the music app and makes the volume of the notification up so that i know i have a notification.
Cortana on Windows 10 Mobile is much more powerful when connected to my car. You can "Call Cortana" and have all of her capabilities available by voice commands. I tried the Android Auto app but it is pretty much useless.
Android uses google now. or the newest version Google Assistant for the LG V20 and other androids. After you configure the phone to use google you can even change the music when the screen is off by just saying "okay google next song", or do a call, or send a message, or look for a place and take you there, or turn on flashlight, or wifi or bluetooth, or even try the following. Ask google to sing you a song LOL you will love it, or ask for an uber. Google also allows you to wake up your locked device with your voice.
I still have the Lumia 950 and will probably swap the SIM between these phones until I can solve some of these issues.
Frequently it says that Fingerprint unlock is unavailable at random times. Why?
Did you set up the fingerprint? if not that's weird, if you did then it still weird. Unless... you are pressing the power button in the back by mistake with your hand and not with the exact finger you unlock it with. Also, the power button has a plastic if it is brand new, i dont know if that does affect or not. I will look further into that
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Oh dear.... you have came from a very far place LOL! Read the blue parts on top
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Oh dear.... you have came from a very far place LOL! Read the blue parts on top
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Lots of good information overall. Not the OP, but I'm in a similar boat. I got an LG K20, but it seems to work even worse than the V20, which I was considering switching to.
The biggest issue I'm having with switching from Windows Phone to Android is, Google Now is "OK", but Cortana is superior in many ways, especially on Windows Mobile. Google Now doesn't sync with my PC like Cortana does, and since I already use Cortana on my PC, there's really no substitute. I can use "Hey Cortana" when the app is open for hands free in my car, but I have to keep the app open in order to do so. It is helpful to know that I can keep the device unlocked while bluetooth is connected. That was a frustration with trying to use it in the car with my headset.
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Lots of good information overall. Not the OP, but I'm in a similar boat. I got an LG K20, but it seems to work even worse than the V20, which I was considering switching to.
The biggest issue I'm having with switching from Windows Phone to Android is, Google Now is "OK", but Cortana is superior in many ways, especially on Windows Mobile. Google Now doesn't sync with my PC like Cortana does, and since I already use Cortana on my PC, there's really no substitute. I can use "Hey Cortana" when the app is open for hands free in my car, but I have to keep the app open in order to do so. It is helpful to know that I can keep the device unlocked while bluetooth is connected. That was a frustration with trying to use it in the car with my headset.
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Why do you need to sync your phone with your pc? I mean whwt for specifically? Lets remember that google is not part of windows nor windows part of google. So 2 big different companies with practically speaking 2 entirely different points.
I have a 950 and I sympathize. I love wm10, but it doesn't have any apps. If Microsoft can fork in android so we can use the play store or sideload apps easily, then that would help tremendously. Sad thing is, they tried that and abandoned it. Now the us has less than 1% wm10 market. I love the 950 dam it. And none of the wm10 themes are worth a damn lol
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I have a 950 and I sympathize. I love wm10, but it doesn't have any apps. If Microsoft can fork in android so we can use the play store or sideload apps easily, then that would help tremendously. Sad thing is, they tried that and abandoned it. Now the us has less than 1% wm10 market. I love the 950 dam it. And none of the wm10 themes are worth a damn lol
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Sacrifices my friend lol. We cant have everything
RGBellCSI said:
Hi all,
My LG V20 is my first Android phone. I got it for a specific app (Drone controller) and to just give it a try and see what apps I am missing out on. I am having some problems figuring out how to accomplish a few things with the Android OS.
welcome to the dark side. we've got cookies. (as they always say).
How do I prevent notifications from apps and the OS and screen timeouts from interrupting Maps while driving?
I'm surprised with the question. Because normally, the notifications only appears on the 2nd screen (small screen on top) and would not disturb your map.
I set the destination on the Map app and then plugged it into the charger in my car. It immediately popped up a "slow charging" notification that took the phone to the lock screen. I had to enter my PIN to unlock it. I then got an email that also switched to the lock screen. I realize that I can disable notifications on the lock screen but there must be a way to prevent this when running a specific app like Maps. The screen then timed out and I was unable to see the map.
one way to do is that you need to turn on "Stay awake" in the "Developers Options". The setting will make the phone screen always on while it is plugged in to a charger. Go to "Settings > Developer Options" to turn it on. In case if you cannot find the "Developer Options" in the "Settings", you need to "Settings > About Phone > common > Software Info" and tap the "Build number" 5 times. that will enable the "Developer Options" in the Setting menu.
Windows 10 Mobile has none of these problems. Notifications show up as a temporary banner and then go away. My Android phone will not retain my Screen Timeout setting. It constantly reverts to 30 sec. I am thinking this may be due to an Exchange account for work, but again, this did not happen on the Windows Phone. It is sad to see that the Windows Mobile platform has not succeeded. I think it is far superior in so many ways.
well, that's quite strange coz it never happened to me. My screen timeout is 1 min and it always stays there.
I have been trying to use Widgets to simulate the functionality that Live Tiles provides on the Windows Phone. So far, I am quite disappointed.
Well, TBH, android users don't interested in LiveTiles much. (and it suck the battery a lot)
I have found that all phone sounds sometimes stop when I play music using the Groove app, even if I kill the app. I have to restart the phone to get them back.
Groove app? Do you mean the stock music app of LG V20? AFAIK, we don't have Microsoft Groove music player here. Maybe this issue has to do with the app. Pls try the stock "Music" player or Google "Play Music".
Cortana on Windows 10 Mobile is much more powerful when connected to my car. You can "Call Cortana" and have all of her capabilities available by voice commands. I tried the Android Auto app but it is pretty much useless.
Well, all u need to say is "OK Google"
I still have the Lumia 950 and will probably swap the SIM between these phones until I can solve some of these issues.
Frequently it says that Fingerprint unlock is unavailable at random times. Why?
I think it shows up when the phone cannot detect the fingerprint sensor. It should only happen when you just boot the phone (for some security reasons). The subsequent screen on/off shouldn't prevent you to use fingerprint sensor. if that happened, I'd suggest you to return the handset to LG.
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Hey there,
my Lenovo P2 recently got stolen and now that I've ordered a used S8 I am looking into ways to protect against theft. And frankly I don't see a good way.
The most obvious thing a thief will do is to shut down the phone and throw away the sim card, so I looked for ways to defend against that. You can't deactivate the force shutdown by holding the power button for 10 sec, which sucks, but the Cerberus app can do a pretend shutdown, which is at least something.
But what about removing the sim card? Without sim card there is no internet connection and therefore no tracking app will work. And once there is no tracking the thief has all the time in the world to find a way to reset your phone and bypass SFR. Well, nothing you can do about that.
But can you defend against a factory reset? Make Cerberus a system app and it works even after a reset! Sounds great, I thought! BUT, in order to do just that you have to root your phone, meaning unlocking the bootloader, meaning the thief can just flash your entire phone through the bootloader. He might not, but he can. Making all the work in rooting and preparing pretty useless if it's not even secure.
So I'm asking, is there any way to secure against theft? I have the idea of making the phone ring when it looses connection to my bluetooth headphones, but that can backfire so easily...
I'm open for any ideas. Hope there is something out there I've missed.
same question!!
1. You have to input pattern/password if you would like to power off the device locked.
2. As far from what I've seen with my friend's S7 Edge, you will need to sign in with your google account if you forced factory reset it in recovery not sure about odin flashing.
3. I'm not sure about this but as long as Location is turned on it can still be tracked even without an internet connection. Again, I'm not sure but I think iPhones have this feature so maybe it can be done on Android too.
Hope the little infos help. Cheers
I've had the Cerberus app since my Nexus 5 days and it's pretty useful.
Regarding shutting down my s8 by holding the power button, Cerberus just does the fake shutdown screen off thing. Also there's an option in Cerberus to disable the power menu when on the lockscreen, which I have enabled. I think the only way to actually shut down my s8 from the lockscreen is for the battery to die on it's own
As for the data and sim card, the app recognizes the original sim card. So if someone puts in a different sim card, the app sends a notification to your email or spouses phone. I think it sends location data too but I'm not sure. And data is accessed thru any sim card. My phone WiFi is set to on all the time anyways so Cerberus will look for any open network and communicate thru that. However, the pull down menu is still accessible in the lockscreen. But on the s8, there's a setting to lock the pulldown menu buttons so u wanna make sure that's turned on.
And for defending against hard resets, like i mentioned earlier the phones power menu is blocked, so they won't be able to start the process until the battery dies by itself
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cdigga101 said:
I've had the Cerberus app since my Nexus 5 days and it's pretty useful.
Regarding shutting down my s8 by holding the power button, Cerberus just does the fake shutdown screen off thing. Also there's an option in Cerberus to disable the power menu when on the lockscreen, which I have enabled. I think the only way to actually shut down my s8 from the lockscreen is for the battery to die on it's own
As for the data and sim card, the app recognizes the original sim card. So if someone puts in a different sim card, the app sends a notification to your email or spouses phone. I think it sends location data too but I'm not sure. And data is accessed thru any sim card. My phone WiFi is set to on all the time anyways so Cerberus will look for any open network and communicate thru that. However, the pull down menu is still accessible in the lockscreen. But on the s8, there's a setting to lock the pulldown menu buttons so u wanna make sure that's turned on.
And for defending against hard resets, like i mentioned earlier the phones power menu is blocked, so they won't be able to start the process until the battery dies by itself
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MoveJoe said:
Hey there,
my Lenovo P2 recently got stolen and now that I've ordered a used S8 I am looking into ways to protect against theft. And frankly I don't see a good way.
The most obvious thing a thief will do is to shut down the phone and throw away the sim card, so I looked for ways to defend against that. You can't deactivate the force shutdown by holding the power button for 10 sec, which sucks, but the Cerberus app can do a pretend shutdown, which is at least something.
But what about removing the sim card? Without sim card there is no internet connection and therefore no tracking app will work. And once there is no tracking the thief has all the time in the world to find a way to reset your phone and bypass SFR. Well, nothing you can do about that.
But can you defend against a factory reset? Make Cerberus a system app and it works even after a reset! Sounds great, I thought! BUT, in order to do just that you have to root your phone, meaning unlocking the bootloader, meaning the thief can just flash your entire phone through the bootloader. He might not, but he can. Making all the work in rooting and preparing pretty useless if it's not even secure.
So I'm asking, is there any way to secure against theft? I have the idea of making the phone ring when it looses connection to my bluetooth headphones, but that can backfire so easily...
I'm open for any ideas. Hope there is something out there I've missed.
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Aemyiam said:
same question!!
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between cerebrus stock security factory reset protection and such you can locate and such but best wepon is imei
Write it down if all else fails report the imei to your carrier and have it blacklisted also....
I also use my gear s2 watch as the have a find phone/watch setup too.In the end A thief will do what it takes and can bypass most if not all security implemented by google or others best you can do is take all the precautions and be ready to pounce if its gone....
I've been using Cerberus for a couple of years now.
Had it installed on my S6 when it was "stolen" of my desk at the office one evening when we were working late.
I tracked the culprit in real time as he and his wife were driving on the highway 80km away.
While they were driving I took snapshots and listened to their conversations.
Luckily (for him) it was all just a mistake, he had a S6 too and merely took mine by mistake.
He gave it back the next day.
Still, IMHO, Cerberus is well worth the cost.
Protect against Flash
Since you have been using it by sometime do you have any protection agains flashing a new ROM ? Did you make a new partition or something ? Is there a tutorial ?
Thank you !
Henniesnijman said:
I've been using Cerberus for a couple of years now.
Had it installed on my S6 when it was "stolen" of my desk at the office one evening when we were working late.
I tracked the culprit in real time as he and his wife were driving on the highway 80km away.
While they were driving I took snapshots and listened to their conversations.
Luckily (for him) it was all just a mistake, he had a S6 too and merely took mine by mistake.
He gave it back the next day.
Still, IMHO, Cerberus is well worth the cost.
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The only protection is the fake shutdown.
Thief thinks he shut down the phone meanwhile it's recording video.
Installing is straight forward. No partitioning required.