Is the N1 suffering the same fate as iphone?
Can't we have an alarm when the N1 is off??
Even with an app from the market?
I heard this is a hardware thing, unfortunately
Why would you ever want to do this.? The alarms still ring while the phone is on silent if what you're worried about is texts and other notifications waking you up.
It's a phone, not an alarm clock. It can't just play sounds without the whole system up and running, just like you can't expect your computer to do the same. The phone would need an alarm function built into the real-time clock, with the ability to both boot the phone when triggered and write some kind of command to memory telling Android that it needs to play your alarm as soon as it finishes booting. That'd be one fancy and expensive RTC, which is why we don't have it. None of that is going to be provided by an app.
Shouldn't be expensive to do it. Many of my family's old phones (sony ericsson feature phones, and a few S40 and S60 Nokia phones) can wake up when the phone is powered off when the alarm goes off. Blackberries can do this also.
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Shouldn't be expensive to do it. Many of my family's old phones (sony ericsson feature phones, and a few S40 and S60 Nokia phones) can wake up when the phone is powered off when the alarm goes off. Blackberries can do this also.
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Protip: That is because they aren't actually powered off. They're in more of a deep sleep.
Android is far more advanced then any of those phones. It's basically a computer. It IS running Linux after all. When you shut it down, it's like flipped the power on your surge protector. The computer can't magically power itself on when out you turning the power back on.
I heard that Nokia S60 phones and the N900 have a separate battery for its internal clock. But I could be wrong. Let me look it up... when I have time...
I am using airplane mode + Desire sleep clock now, it's the closest thing to what I wanted...cut off gsm radiation near my head when sleeping and battery economy
Can you post a pic or screen capture of what the Desire sleep clock looks like?
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Hello all!
I wonder if its possible to have an alarm on the phone when turned of. Ive searched everywhere for some answers.
I want to shut down the phone at nights and I want the phone to start up and wake me up hehe
I just tried it 2 times , and it doesn't seem to work with klaxon.
Sorry mate i think you should keep it on if you don't want to be late tomorow
Its hilarious that a phone this new doesnt support that kind of alarm. All of my other phones works that way....
It's not a phone, it's a smartphone, pretty much a small PC...
So if you poweroff your desktop, usually not much it can do
That's the same, workaround is to use PlaneMode (along WirelessTime freeware in example)
This way, it wont be off at all..
Like for PDA, you usually never power off this kind of system. You put it in standby mode instead (either automatically or manually)
And the alarm works well with the HD is in stanby mode. It will wake up and ring.
Note that the usual phone are in some kind of standby mode, not fully powered off otherwise the alarm wouldn't work either !
you can switch off the phone part in standby mode and it will give you busy signal though reminders and alarms will work.
Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!
Flight mode is the way.
It is useless to switch off the phone...in flight mode the battery has almost no drains (1% at most).
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Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!
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That's because when you switch the phone off IT IS OFF.
A Nokia, say, doesn't switch off - it goes into flight mode and switches the screen off.
If you notice a Nokia phone loses battery power even when swithed off because in fact it is still on. That's why the alarms go off
Therefor: Switch to flightmode and turn the screen off = same result - but smarter !!!!
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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It's a feature Nokia added so people could turn the phone signals off manually in situations where it was unwanted. On planes for example.
You could try this
Ageye G-Alarm, is isn't free but claims to
"Save battery power overnight
Using the integrated flight mode you can turn off the phone and therefore minimize the battery drain until the next alarm. Afterwards G-Alarm automatically turns your phone on again."
Same thing, but might do it automatically, but its too much for me, I don't need all the functions so haven't tried it.
Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!
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Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!
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Which two 3rd party apps are involved in using flight mode? (by my count none are used)
You can even configure a long hold of the hang-up button to enable it if you want in button config...
P.
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Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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In Flight mode, you can still use your phone in "off-line" mode, you can even use WiFi... so saying that turned off Nokia is actually still ON - only in flight mode - can only say someone who doesn't have a clue what is going on inside the phones. Turning Symbian phones OFF/ON means soft reset, does turning Flight mode ON/Off means soft reset in any phone? Of course not.
Take your laptop - there is power save mode, sleep mode and hibernation. But OS (say Windows) is still running, even it is on the lowest possible level, so a few external inputs (keyboard, mouse, modem), most of them you can specify in Bios, can bring the system from stanby or even hybernation mode. When you turn off your Nokia, operating system (Symbian and Maemo too) is completely off. But the internal clock chip is still running, althoug only on cca 1/100th of clock rate. When you turn phone off, the info from the alarm clock is written to this chip, telling him after how many those slow cycles he suppose to wake up (if there is anough power from the battery left). Would be easy to implement this to any phone hardware, HTC, Sony ... they'll just have to run something else than Win OS. So blame the Microsoft - but go easy on them - it's relict from the old ages of PDA, when Windows and phones were two totaly different things. Whatever I wrote is not a 100% accurate, but I was trying to make it simple and uderstandable. BTW any phone (HTC also) is loosing battery capacity when is OFF. Actually, take the battery out and it will still loosing power, after some time in even more (in hot and humid conditions) than when you leave it in the deep level stage inside the Nokia.
The alarm that comes as standard with the HD2 doesn't appear to work period
So i downloaded Klaxon but for the life of me i cant figure out how the alarm will go off when the phone is switched off, it works fine when the phone is on but i always switch my phone off @ night so want to be just woken up, my other phone a Samsung from a few years ago, the alarm on that works fine, im having some difficulty believing that a super smart phone like the HD2 doesn't actually have an alarm that actually works.
PS- I know there's some other alarm around on XDA that is supposedly excellent but costs money but not a chance am i paying money for an alarm for mobile phone it's gotta be free,anyone any info?
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The alarm that comes as standard with the HD2 doesn't appear to work period
So i downloaded Klaxon but for the life of me i cant figure out how the alarm will go off when the phone is switched off, it works fine when the phone is on but i always switch my phone off @ night so want to be just woken up, my other phone a Samsung from a few years ago, the alarm on that works fine, im having some difficulty believing that a super smart phone like the HD2 doesn't actually have an alarm that actually works.
PS- I know there's some other alarm around on XDA that is supposedly excellent but costs money but not a chance am i paying money for an alarm for mobile phone it's gotta be free,anyone any info?
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There isn't an alarm program I know of that is able to switch the device on from an off state, including the standard one (I'm guessing thats why you think it doesn't work?)
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There isn't an alarm program I know of that is able to switch the device on from an off state, including the standard one (I'm guessing thats why you think it doesn't work?)
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Negative - when i set the alarm on my Samsung Tocco for 7.15am Mon > Fri and turn my phone off @ nite the alarm always goes off without fail, in fact almost every phone ive had has done the same (are you sure your not getting confused with something else here?) so im amazed the HD2 wont work
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Negative - when i set the alarm on my Samsung Tocco for 7.15am Mon > Fri and turn my phone off @ nite the alarm always goes off without fail, in fact almost every phone ive had has done the same (are you sure your not getting confused with something else here?) so im amazed the HD2 wont work
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The Samsung Tocco isn't a Windows Mobile?
As I said, I don't know of a program which does this.
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The Samsung Tocco isn't a Windows Mobile?
As I said, I don't know of a program which does this.
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I'm fully aware of that mate ive got a HD2 and a Samsung Tocco, my question WAS why cant a phone like the HD2 which is supposely the best phone on the market do something as simple as have an alarm that actually works (whether or not the phone is switched on or not)it's truly bizzare.
I cant think of a single mobile phone ive had since probably the early `noughties` where an alarm didn't work, surely to f**k a phone like the HD2 has to have an alarm that works?
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I'm fully aware of that mate ive got a HD2 and a Samsung Tocco, my question WAS why cant a phone like the HD2 which is supposely the best phone on the market do something as simple as have an alarm that actually works (whether or not the phone is switched on or not)it's truly bizzare.
I cant think of a single mobile phone ive had since probably the early `noughties` where an alarm didn't work, surely to f**k a phone like the HD2 has to have an alarm that works?
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I was just confirming that I wasn't getting confused. There isn't even a program I can find since pocket pc 2003 that can actually switch the device on from cold.
The alarm works on mine. In what way does yours not work? Does it appear on screen and not make a noise?
I just always put the phone in flight mode at night. Use's hardly any power(3 or 4% for 7 hours) and the alarm always goe's off then. ( I use G alarm by the way, the 1 you have to pay for) Boot time is not great on the hd2 so would rather leave it on anyway saves time in the morning. As already mentioned i am also not aware of any alarm that will boot up the phone from powered off. Nobody can ring you or anything while your in flight mode or data connect, so it's like switching the phone off anyway. Hope thats of some help for you
to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
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to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
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thanks for your in-depth answer!
ASCIIker said:
to answer the OP's original question, i.e. why can't the HD2 sound an alarm when the device is COMPLETELY OFF?
(i believe the following applies to "great" phones like the iphone and android as well...)
the reason is simple...these devices are NOT phones that generally have specialized phone operating systems and BIOS. these devices are "pocket PCs" which have operating systems designed to be more general purpose while the BIOS is simply used to load the operating system. what that means is that they are more like tiny computers that happen to have phone functionality. think about this question...does your PC sound an alarm if your PC is OFF? (actually it CAN, but ONLY if you configure your PC's BIOS to start the computer at a specific time, and even then it will only start up and load windows but you won't hear an alarm unless you have an alarm application installed in windows...and even then, the time for alarm you configure in your application will NOT sync with the time you've configured in your BIOS)
still, the question is, why can some "dumb" phones still accomplish this? the reason is that these dumb phones have a RTC (real time clock) that is hardwired to the BIOS. this RTC has access to a small dedicated memory chip even when the phone is OFF. this memory contains your configured alarm times, so the RTC can access this memory as long as the battery is connected and has enough power, even when the rest of the device is OFF. finally, the RTC can access the BIOS when an alarm needs to be sounded, and it can essentially tell the BIOS to either boot up the entire phone or (in some devices) to ONLY sound the alarm because the alarm software/routines are part of the BIOS.
on the other hand, on pocket PC devices (and the like), the alarm functionality is accomplished purely by software that runs ON TOP of the operating system...so the operating system must be fully running (i.e. the device should be booted and up and running) before the software can accomplish its goal to wake you up in the morning.
i hope the above makes sense...and it should answer why advanced devices like the HD2 that are built to be more like PCs cannot accomplish the desired task.
best option is to use flight mode or set your ringer to silent/vibrate if you don't want to be disturbed by calls and/or messages while you sleep but still want the alarm to sound when its time to wake up.
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Thanks for your response you've explained it well, i may set it to flight mode and silent
Hi guys, I realised this "feature" the HD2 has also.. I'm not really disappointed, but just a little perplexed as I "thought" my HD2 would have woken me up just the other day when I turned it off with an alarm fixed (thinking that it would wake up at that stipulated timing). The thing is, I have an Omnia, and my dad has an Omnia 2, and I'm pretty sure they both WILL boot up and sound the alarm if the phone is turned off with an alarm set. I have checked through the Omnia 2, and under the "Alarm" tab, there is an option to choose whether the phone will/will not boot up if it's turned off...
Anyway, not trying to prove anything here but just to let you guys know that it's possible with a phone running on windows... Good day! =)
some of the older smart phones are able to wake the phone to sound alarms because they arent truly off. remember how phones used to essentially hard reset if the battery and the backup battery died? (xda IIi for example) because their flash memory was volatile, well this meant that even when off they were still slightly on, whereas the hd2 and the like go completely off. turn your phone off and in a week turn it back on, battery still charged. on the xda 2i even when its off it would drain the battery in 5 or 6 days, and perform a fresh install when you did power back on.
I have an LG G Watch with 5.0.1 since a few days and I tried and sent back an identical LG G watch on 4.4W.1 a while ago and didn't experience it. Basically, I am noticing that after leaving the watch alone lying somewhere (I don't wear it at home) for some time (can't really say how long but at least an hour, I think) the display turns OFF. A single tap and it wakes up and then works "normally" until the next time...
The other G Watch with the older Wear version didn't have this behaviour so is this a feature of the latest Wear version or is it maybe an "issue"..?
I am saying this especially because I installed the Slumber app to automatically turn the display OFF while charging but realized that it's easier and more elegantly done by simply choosing the new "Theater mode" in Android Wear 5.0.1 and uninstalled the app. I don't know if what I am seeing is due to having installed Slumber but I really don't think so.
Does anybody know for sure what it is and how it exactly works..?
TIA
No replies here but several in the LG G Watch forum.
Other G Watch owners are seeing the same behaviour I described here so I can rule out that it's something which has been triggered by my having had the Slumber app installed.
One poster there says that his G Watch turns off after 30 minutes leaving it lying on a table. I am timing mine.
So based on all of those replies it seems it's a feature of the latest Android Wear. I am not calling it a bug because, except for a single reported case from a poster there with a Moto 360, it seems to never happen while wearing it, so the logic appears to be "save the battery when not in use".
Just to "investigate" it some more, may somebody else here with Wear watches from other makers please confirm you get the same behaviour on your watches (on 5.0.1)? And may you also confirm you have Ambient turned ON (i.e. the display is always ON) and state whether you have the new Tilt to wake up setting ON (i.e. the Display lights up from its dimmed state when you tilt your wrist).
My settings are Display always ON and Tilt to wake up OFF.
It would be good to have some more reports from owners of different Wear smartwatches and see if we can understand what exactly is this behaviour we are seeing...
Actually, I think this might be a good feature to keep ON in many cases but it absolutely should be an *option*!
UPDATE: Trying to time it, I think I can say (I am still trying to cover all of the different scenarios) that any event which normally wakes the display up to normal brightness (i.e. an incoming call) resets the countdown. BTW, I think the poster StuBFrost, in the other thread, is right and it's 30 minutes off the wirst with no movement, no tapping on it and no event like the ones just mentioned. "Normal" incoming notifications don't seem to reset the countdown.
Like I said, I don't think it's a bad idea in and of itself (I would use it in most cases) but they should have made it an option! And, ideally, they would let us set the time after which the display turns itself off.
I use and *strongly* prefer Android instead of limited and dumbed down Windows Phone and even worse Apple's useless crap exactly because of its customizability and powerfulness...
"Funny" thing is that from further testing, this feature doesn't kick in while on the charger (which could actually be pretty useful for most people...) LOL
ADDENDUM: the kind of events which resets the countdown to this "deep sleep" state (i.e. an incoming call) also wakes the display up from "deep sleep".
Hi can someone on stock rom please try to see if alarms go off while phone is off? It don't seem to work on pure nexus which is worrying.
Do you mean when the phone's screen is off, when the phone is on silent, or if the phone is physically off?
If your phone's screen is off, the alarm will go off, if your phone is silent, your alarm will go off. If your phone is off, then it is off and the alarm will not go off.
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Do you mean when the phone's screen is off, when the phone is on silent, or if the phone is physically off?
If your phone's screen is off, the alarm will go off, if your phone is silent, your alarm will go off. If your phone is off, then it is off and the alarm will not go off.
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I mean when its physically off.
My HTC M9 did it as Google implemented this in 4.0 or 5.0 not sure.
It was not a HTC feature.
What the .. How is the alarm supposed to go off of the phone is powered off and the OS is not running. You are indeed mistaken about this.
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What the .. How is the alarm supposed to go off of the phone is powered off...
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^^ as said above. Makes me wonder what sorcery is HTC using?
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^^ as said above. Makes me wonder what sorcery is HTC using?
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HTC devices don't truly turn off, they're in a kind of hibernate mode, similar to Windows 8. If you let the battery drain entirely on a HTC device it takes much longer to boot afterwards.
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Hi can someone on stock rom please try to see if alarms go off while phone is off? It don't seem to work on pure nexus which is worrying.
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I think the above post explains it all for you. Nexus phones do not have such feature as your HTC did. When the phone is powered down it is as if the battery was pulled and it is truly off. No alarms will go off.
I had had fastboot turned off on my HTC so it did not hibernate.
Guess HTC found a way to do it. Never mind, need to make sure I always have enough charge for airplane mode and nights sleep.
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I had had fastboot turned off on my HTC so it did not hibernate.
Guess HTC found a way to do it. Never mind, need to make sure I always have enough charge for airplane mode and nights sleep.
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Why do you need airplane mode? If doze works properly, then it shouldn't lose power quickly. But why not just charge the phone while you are sleeping and have your phone on silent if you don't want to be bothered?
Plenty of phones have this feature, but not on any Android I know of (I don't have an M9 but my M7 does not do this). My old Nokia E63 did it as well.
I wish more phones would have it though, as its great not having to worry about that one time your battery dies overnight and your alarm doesn't go off.
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Plenty of phones have this feature, but not on any Android I know of (I don't have an M9 but my M7 does not do this). My old Nokia E63 did it as well.
I wish more phones would have it though, as its great not having to worry about that one time your battery dies overnight and your alarm doesn't go off.
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It used work on my Galaxy S3 & S4 as well. you need to have encryption disabled and password on start up disabled to make it work. I did not try that on my 6P, because my work forces me to encrypt my phone.
Alarm with phone off
My mate 9 has this feature. I set my alarm for whatever time. When I power my phone off there is a box that has a check mark in it saying keep alarm active after power off. If I leave the checkmark in my phone alarm will still ring at the desired time. Even though a phone is off there is still internal power to the clock. Works great. Hope this helps.
6P probably doesn't have the required H/W (and associated boot-loader).
Disabling encryption or setting File-based encryption or disabling pin to start will only help if the phone reboots itself.