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Help! Beginner Here! HTC HD2 on T-Mobile UK

Hi guys
Hoping someone would be kind enough to take the time out to answer some questions I have regarding my HD2 on T-Mobile UK and how I go about modifying it etc
Please bare with me....this is the first smartphone ive ever had and am totally new to all of this! :S
1) Does the fact that its locked to T-Mobile (and has some form of their own software on it) mean I am unable to make use of the many updates or software tweaks that appear on this site?
2) I see people talking about Manilla...is this the software HTC place on top on WM6.5?
3) I see a lot of people talking about flashing their ROMs....what does this actually mean? Is it possible for me to get rid of all T-mobile crap on my phone and be able to apply updates, fixes etc whenever I want?
4) I know of some people who have Jailbreak their iPhone allowing them to run loadsa different software on it etc....is something similar possible on the HD2?
5) Basically it all comes down to the fact that I dont like the basic taskbar look on my phone (really want a colourfull taskbar and some form of % battery indicator) and want to make it look a bit more modern/exciting....and Ive seen loadsa uploads on this site about other users homescreens etc and want to know how i go about doing that? Im not sure if having a T-Mobile HD2 will stop me from modifying it in that way?
Would really appreciate any help/advice anyone is willing to give.....the site seems very oriented to people who know what they're doing lol and im struggling to find a section for novice users like myself! I really like that idea of having a phone I can customise whenever I like.....just not sure at all of how to start going about it......
Cheers!!!

1) Does the fact that its locked to T-Mobile (and has some form of their own software on it) mean I am unable to make use of the many updates or software tweaks that appear on this site?
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The fact that it's locked to T-Mobile doesn't affect the majority of software on here. Sometimes, there'll be discrepancies between what's expected on your phone, and what's actually on your phone. This will be rare, and usually resolved on here anyway.
2) I see people talking about Manilla...is this the software HTC place on top on WM6.5?
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Yes - Manila is the Sense UI.
3) I see a lot of people talking about flashing their ROMs....what does this actually mean? Is it possible for me to get rid of all T-mobile crap on my phone and be able to apply updates, fixes etc whenever I want?
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Flashing the ROM changes the core of the phone. It's often done to do exactly what you said - to get rid of the software that's there by default, but you don't want it. Another more common reason for ROM flashing, is ROM updates that include software fixes (as just happened with 1.48), or windows updates.
4) I know of some people who have Jailbreak their iPhone allowing them to run loadsa different software on it etc....is something similar possible on the HD2?
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You don't need to "jailbreak" windows mobile. Question 3 covers this really.
5) Basically it all comes down to the fact that I dont like the basic taskbar look on my phone (really want a colourfull taskbar and some form of % battery indicator) and want to make it look a bit more modern/exciting....and Ive seen loadsa uploads on this site about other users homescreens etc and want to know how i go about doing that? Im not sure if having a T-Mobile HD2 will stop me from modifying it in that way?
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Having a T-Mobile phone won't stop you changing that at all. Just get used to these forums and searching them and you'll find most things you need. There's certainly taskbars on here. You're better off looking in either the root Leo forum (one step above this forum), or the themes and apps one. Also, the Sense UI has a lot of mods in other forums. The Blackstone, for example, had the Sense UI available in a ROM way before the HD2 was released, so that's also a good source of information.
Just keep reading and you'll be fine. We were all new here once
Have fun!

Thanks very much!! appreciate it!
however, u say here:
Flashing the ROM changes the core of the phone. It's often done to do exactly what you said - to get rid of the software that's there by default, but you don't want it. Another more common reason for ROM flashing, is ROM updates that include software fixes (as just happened with 1.48), or windows updates.
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just wondering why I wouldnt want to apply ROM updates and windows updates? would it not be better to do this than wait for official updates from T-Mobile that will prob take forever to emerge?
I've seen on some forums that there is already an official (yet not appearing on the HTC site) HD2 ROM upgrade....but are you saying you advise against this? Or are u saying I dont want to change the core of the phone....but applying updates etc is still possible?
Sorry, excuse my ignorance!
Cheers

I don't understand why you think I'm advising against ROM updates, but I'm not
Basically, it's up to you to weigh up whether or not you want to do a ROM update by looking at what's new and what's removed (if anything).
As far as waiting for T-Mobile to release their own version of the ROM.... yeah, you're right. I wouldn't bother.
I've just updated my HD2 with the 1.48 release, and it's a LOT faster. It's still new though, and a couple of issues have already been found. It's always "at your own risk" whenever you flash the ROM or install mods.

can i ask you what come in the box with tmobile handset, carry pouch? micro sd? an such. and did you get it from tmobile themselves or a phone outlet like carphonewarehouse, thanks in advance

johncmolyneux said:
I don't understand why you think I'm advising against ROM updates, but I'm not
Basically, it's up to you to weigh up whether or not you want to do a ROM update by looking at what's new and what's removed (if anything).
As far as waiting for T-Mobile to release their own version of the ROM.... yeah, you're right. I wouldn't bother.
I've just updated my HD2 with the 1.48 release, and it's a LOT faster. It's still new though, and a couple of issues have already been found. It's always "at your own risk" whenever you flash the ROM or install mods.
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ah ok sorry...i must have misred your original reply! apologies
ok...final question....if i wanted to upgrade to this new ROM? could u maybe quickly explain how I go about doing this? sorry to be a pain! Its just i was under the impression i couldnt do this as long as it was locked onto T-Mobile (or any network for that matter)
Many thanks again!!

**** turpin said:
can i ask you what come in the box with tmobile handset, carry pouch? micro sd? an such. and did you get it from tmobile themselves or a phone outlet like carphonewarehouse, thanks in advance
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hi....sure! no probs...
i got the handset (obviously lol) charger and micro usb lead (which is quite short and frustrating actually) also got a 2gb micro sd card! There was no pouch - although as far as I am aware HTC supply a pouch...which t-mobile (and all other networks as far as im aware) remove....to force u to buy one! So i bought the official HTC leather one online for £10 - which is quite nice!
I just walked into a t-mobile store in glasgow and asked for the phone...and they had it! i had been arguing all week on the phone with t-mobile upgrades and retentions.....they wanted to charge me £380 upgrade charge as i have a 50% line reduction.......but when i walked into the store they done it for me for £50!!! and kept my discount!!!! so now i get 1000mins, unlimited txts and internet for £20 a month! if ur looking for the phone and dont get quoted a good deal keep shopping....there's always someone willing to do a good deal!
happy times all round!

giopirolli said:
ok...final question....if i wanted to upgrade to this new ROM? could u maybe quickly explain how I go about doing this? sorry to be a pain! Its just i was under the impression i couldnt do this as long as it was locked onto T-Mobile (or any network for that matter)
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Sorry - you're absolutely right. You can't upgrade with that ROM. The experts on here are working on something called "Hard SPL" which basically allows you to flash any old ROM you want, regardless of your ROM version at the time.
The ROM that's bouncing round at the moment is an official HTC one, and can only be used on phones that aren't locked to providers.
Since it's a new phone, I'd recommend getting used to it and the available mods on here. You don't need to be able to flash the ROM to install most of the mods, so you can still tweak your phone like mad!

johncmolyneux said:
Sorry - you're absolutely right. You can't upgrade with that ROM. The experts on here are working on something called "Hard SPL" which basically allows you to flash any old ROM you want, regardless of your ROM version at the time.
The ROM that's bouncing round at the moment is an official HTC one, and can only be used on phones that aren't locked to providers.
Since it's a new phone, I'd recommend getting used to it and the available mods on here. You don't need to be able to flash the ROM to install most of the mods, so you can still tweak your phone like mad!
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Ok great - yeah good idea! Ive not used it enough to warrant any need to upgrade the ROM and im pretty happy with its speed etc at the moment....prob because i aint got any apps on it apart from a YouTube one (since the lovely people at T-Mobile remove the YouTube app that comes with the phone!)
I'll have a play around with some of the mods on the site and try get it looking much sweeter!lol
Thanks for all your help mate......very much appreciated!!

giopirolli said:
Thanks for all your help mate......very much appreciated!!
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No worries mate. Have fun, search and ask. Also, be prepared to hard reset if/when you brick your phone for the 1st time

giopirolli said:
hi....sure! no probs...
i got the handset (obviously lol) charger and micro usb lead (which is quite short and frustrating actually) also got a 2gb micro sd card! There was no pouch - although as far as I am aware HTC supply a pouch...which t-mobile (and all other networks as far as im aware) remove....to force u to buy one! So i bought the official HTC leather one online for £10 - which is quite nice!
I just walked into a t-mobile store in glasgow and asked for the phone...and they had it! i had been arguing all week on the phone with t-mobile upgrades and retentions.....they wanted to charge me £380 upgrade charge as i have a 50% line reduction.......but when i walked into the store they done it for me for £50!!! and kept my discount!!!! so now i get 1000mins, unlimited txts and internet for £20 a month! if ur looking for the phone and dont get quoted a good deal keep shopping....there's always someone willing to do a good deal!
happy times all round!
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hi thanks for quick reply
am glad you get micro sd, they could of threw the pouch in too LOL, oh well suppose its not that expensive. (know what you mean bout charger cable, same with diamond2 lol) i`m with orange at the mo there not releasing the phone on there network at all i dont think, got my diamond2 from carphone warehouse 10 months ago. its been put in for repair 2 times already due to touch screen failure, last time i put it in it got sent to htc who declared the warrenty void because of certain applications on the phone and have demanded £70 to fix even though i pay insurance every month. decided am not paying gonna cancel direct debit as it was nothing to do with software why i put it in, in the 1st place, think its ridiculous! i`d flashed a cooked rom on my phone and unblocked it with hard spl, i reflashed original htc rom before putting it in the shop but forgot to reblock my phone again, thats what they mean by CERTAIN APPLICATIONS. so beware if flashing your device with non htc rom and you have to claim on insurance for anything, you have to reflash everything back to original htc factory software/roms. to be honest hard spl(unblocking programme to flash any rom) is not out there yet for hd2, i dont think. but just a little tip for you..
by the way lol, i cant seem to get my hands on a hd2 anywhere, there like rocking horse sh#t!! lol am getting really bored watching videos about the device on pocketnow.com now tho Grrrrrrrrrrrrr lol i NEED one soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
just had an email from tmobile, apparently its on its way!!!!!!!!! yaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

johncmolyneux said:
Sorry - you're absolutely right. You can't upgrade with that ROM. The experts on here are working on something called "Hard SPL" which basically allows you to flash any old ROM you want, regardless of your ROM version at the time.
The ROM that's bouncing round at the moment is an official HTC one, and can only be used on phones that aren't locked to providers.
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Erm you can flash the newly "released" Official HTC WWE ROM using the goldcard method. I did so on my T-Mobile HD2. The benefit of doing so is to regain the applications T-Mobile removed like You-Tube, CoPilot trial and Jetcet print. Also you get the advantage of being able to flash future patches directly from HTC, instead of waiting for T-mobile to get their hands on them and break it.

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Erm you can flash the newly "released" Official HTC WWE ROM using the goldcard method. I did so on my T-Mobile HD2. The benefit of doing so is to regain the applications T-Mobile removed like You-Tube, CoPilot trial and Jetcet print. Also you get the advantage of being able to flash future patches directly from HTC, instead of waiting for T-mobile to get their hands on them and break it.
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I don't know what the goldcard method is, so I couldn't advise him on it.

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I don't know what the goldcard method is, so I couldn't advise him on it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591314

hmmm this goldcard method sounds promising! ill check it out! thanks for that Gajet!

giopirolli said:
hmmm this goldcard method sounds promising! ill check it out! thanks for that Gajet!
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Hey buddy, did you manage to flash your rom then?
Like you I'm very new to this scene (coming from an iphone) so just wanted to know if you had successfully flashed your rom. Which rom did you use because I can see a lot of different versions of this 1.48 and don't know which one to use.
Surely if you flash your rom and it shows the youtube app as well as copilot, tmobile will void your warranty wont they???

Gajet said:
Erm you can flash the newly "released" Official HTC WWE ROM using the goldcard method. I did so on my T-Mobile HD2. The benefit of doing so is to regain the applications T-Mobile removed like You-Tube, CoPilot trial and Jetcet print. Also you get the advantage of being able to flash future patches directly from HTC, instead of waiting for T-mobile to get their hands on them and break it.
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I agree ...flashed my o2 locked phone yesterday

Double post pls discard

babyshaq said:
Hey buddy, did you manage to flash your rom then?
Like you I'm very new to this scene (coming from an iphone) so just wanted to know if you had successfully flashed your rom. Which rom did you use because I can see a lot of different versions of this 1.48 and don't know which one to use.
Surely if you flash your rom and it shows the youtube app as well as copilot, tmobile will void your warranty wont they???
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Hey...i havent given it a go yet! as im new to this i decided to just play around with some little tweaks....like changing my taskbar and modifying some other options...like removing the "scroll down for more options" button during a call so the options are always present..........before i attempted anything big like flashing my ROM! lol
not sure regarding the warranty issue....id think so....tho if i had to send it in for repair (touch wood i wont) then id just restore it back to its original version 1st....

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I agree ...flashed my o2 locked phone yesterday
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hey......to which version? 1.48? noticed any improvements?

TMO US: Updated ROM (Version 2.13.531.1)! Has anyone tried it?

(Looks like noone has posted about this here yet)
http://dl.htc.com/ruudownload/t-mobileUS/DeviceDownloads.aspx?pid=leo
Anyone knows what has been fixed and what else has been changed in this ROM?

from what I've got elsewhere on xda, the 2.13 base "feels" slower than the 2.10 base, apparently due to some changes in the touch driver.
Replacing the touch dll's with 2.10 ones seems to fix it.

yea the leak version was very slow but the official in question is on my device now and its awesome, looks like ALL the issues HD2 had on Launch in USA for T-Mobile have been resolved, all the things that made the HD2 kinda Suck have been fixed, I think there should be a big announcement about this ROM upgrade because the early release ROM that shipped on the device gave the device a bad reputation already people mentioning "Lag" and constant "reset's" and things of that sort, I think T-Mobile should really Publicly encourage the ROM upgrade and add something cool to the upgrade like a cool free app which would be some sort of incentive to run the ROM update....and get people talking about how great and fast it is now once its updated, craigspissed actually has people trying to trade off iphone 2G's straight across for HD2 phones claiming the HD2 is too slow and has issues,...wait till wm7 gets released on the USA T-Mobile version which it will by the way, there is a reason why T-mobile version packs that extra RAM over the Euro version, it was part of an agreement with HTC that T-Mobile would receive a wm7 upgrade giving a second burst to HD2 Sales once the release of wm7 happens.
This ROM really has sorted out all the kinks,....The official t-mobile one though not the leak one.

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yea the leak version was very slow but the official in question is on my device now and its awesome, looks like ALL the issues HD2 had on Launch in USA for T-Mobile have been resolved, all the things that made the HD2 kinda Suck have been fixed, I think there should be a big announcement about this ROM upgrade because the early release ROM that shipped on the device gave the device a bad reputation already people mentioning "Lag" and constant "reset's" and things of that sort, I think T-Mobile should really Publicly encourage the ROM upgrade and add something cool to the upgrade like a cool free app which would be some sort of incentive to run the ROM update....and get people talking about how great and fast it is now once its updated, craigspissed actually has people trying to trade off iphone 2G's straight across for HD2 phones claiming the HD2 is too slow and has issues,...wait till wm7 gets released on the USA T-Mobile version which it will by the way, there is a reason why T-mobile version packs that extra RAM over the Euro version, it was part of an agreement with HTC that T-Mobile would receive a wm7 upgrade giving a second burst to HD2 Sales once the release of wm7 happens.
This ROM really has sorted out all the kinks,....The official t-mobile one though not the leak one.
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Care to share the key so we can download it too?

digitalhater said:
Care to share the key so we can download it too?
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I second this.
I would also like to try it...

DaveNavy said:
yea the leak version was very slow but the official in question is on my device now and its awesome, looks like ALL the issues HD2 had on Launch in USA for T-Mobile have been resolved, all the things that made the HD2 kinda Suck have been fixed, I think there should be a big announcement about this ROM upgrade because the early release ROM that shipped on the device gave the device a bad reputation already people mentioning "Lag" and constant "reset's" and things of that sort, I think T-Mobile should really Publicly encourage the ROM upgrade and add something cool to the upgrade like a cool free app which would be some sort of incentive to run the ROM update....and get people talking about how great and fast it is now once its updated, craigspissed actually has people trying to trade off iphone 2G's straight across for HD2 phones claiming the HD2 is too slow and has issues,...wait till wm7 gets released on the USA T-Mobile version which it will by the way, there is a reason why T-mobile version packs that extra RAM over the Euro version, it was part of an agreement with HTC that T-Mobile would receive a wm7 upgrade giving a second burst to HD2 Sales once the release of wm7 happens.
This ROM really has sorted out all the kinks,....The official t-mobile one though not the leak one.
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Maybe you could post the ROM on 4shared.com if you don't like sharing your key!?

RE795 said:
I second this.
I would also like to try it...
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+1 from me too! I would also like to try it!

oh you mean give my IMEI number out for everyone to see it?...LOL!!!! NO WAY!!! but perhaps I could upload it to my rapidshare account....Give me a few minutes and I will put up a link.

DaveNavy said:
oh you mean give my IMEI number out for everyone to see it?...LOL!!!! NO WAY!!! but perhaps I could upload it to my rapidshare account....Give me a few minutes and I will put up a link.
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That will be great thanks!

well I couldn't do rapidshare cause I only have a free account and the file is 206.18 MB so i used this new one instead: here is the Link
http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/144394/T-Mobile_HD2_MR_Software_2.13.531.1.exe
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You will need winRAR to extract and build the .exe
I split the .exe into two .rar archives on 4shared so it would be under 200mb so I could upload it, its uploading now, you will have to download both .rar files and right click .rar1 and hit extract and it will automatically extract .rar2 and create a folder with the Official .exe in it.
HERE IS THE LINK GUYS:
http://www.4shared.com/dir/39776826/c46977da/T-Mobile_HD2_MR_Software_21353.html

oh yeah!
they got rid of the texting issue! it no longer takes forever to load the text messages and no longer blacks out the the text you selected to go into the conversation losing your place in the text you are writing! i now 100% love this phone. i do wonder what else they slid in on this update on us though!
update... if you select a text from further back on your conversation it will still jump to that message you selected UNLESS you started typing already then it stays where you are! still a 500% improvement.

There is a new app called "My Account" that pulls up your t-mobile account status. Pretty cool.
I could be wrong, but my WiFi seems to be working a LOT faster after the upgrade. In fact, it does seem like the lag in several apps is gone...

sooo how do i get this rom into my phone!? is it like adding cookies home tab?

I can I know if I can install this one my phone?
My radio version is 2.08.50.08_2
I don't have the tmobile stock ROM, but a custom HyperROM version. Is it safe to install that new software update?

I posted a personal analysis change log in the T-Mobile USA section for the HD2.
I've been running this updated ROM for about 24 hours now.

how the heck do you put it on the phone I have the exe file on My Device and I go through File Explorer and click on it but it says it is not a valid Pocket PC application. What's the deal?

Stormfya said:
how the heck do you put it on the phone I have the exe file on My Device and I go through File Explorer and click on it but it says it is not a valid Pocket PC application. What's the deal?
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You run the exe from a pc.

so i figured out that it have to run it from a windows pc, but mine keeps saying rapitool has stopped working when it trys to check the device. What do i do?

Stormfya said:
so i figured out that it have to run it from a windows pc, but mine keeps saying rapitool has stopped working when it trys to check the device. What do i do?
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Are you already connected via activesync on XP or WMDC on Vista/Win7?

yes, I am
thanks for any help you can offer

Remove AT&T apps?

Hi there, the Aria will be my first phone that does more than make calls so please excuse my noobish questions, there will be more to come.
I've read and watched all the reviews out there and my first concern is the preinstalled ATT apps that will cost me money if I accidentally use them. Is there any way of removing them yet?
(I'm locked in to ATT because of Family Plan)

alphajake said:
Hi there, the Aria will be my first phone that does more than make calls so please excuse my noobish questions, there will be more to come.
I've read and watched all the reviews out there and my first concern is the preinstalled ATT apps that will cost me money if I accidentally use them. Is there any way of removing them yet?
(I'm locked in to ATT because of Family Plan)
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I can't speak for this particular phone but in all of my old AT&T phones, even if you leave the preinstalled junk on there, it's not necessarily easy to "accidentally" use them; they usually have confirmation screens and/or warning screens telling you that it will cost money to use them.

alphajake said:
Hi there, the Aria will be my first phone that does more than make calls so please excuse my noobish questions, there will be more to come.
I've read and watched all the reviews out there and my first concern is the preinstalled ATT apps that will cost me money if I accidentally use them. Is there any way of removing them yet?
(I'm locked in to ATT because of Family Plan)
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Annoying, isn't it? Welcome to the magical crapware filled world of ATT branded smartphones, where folks are so generous that you get 5 map programs pre-installed instead of just one.

modest_mandroid said:
Annoying, isn't it? Welcome to the magical crapware filled world of ATT branded smartphones, where folks are so generous that you get 5 map programs pre-installed instead of just one.
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And all 5 cost you money and they removed the stock one that gave you the same functionality for free.
f'n AT&T. I miss Cingular...
-Mc

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And all 5 cost you money and they removed the stock one that gave you the same functionality for free.
f'n AT&T. I miss Cingular...
-Mc
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Google maps is in market. If that's missing, you should be able to get it there.

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Google maps is in market. If that's missing, you should be able to get it there.
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woops... forgot the </sarcasm>

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woops... forgot the </sarcasm>
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lol..
Let's just hope this will be as easy to get root for as other HTC phones have been recently.
It's very similar to the Legend. I wonder what SPL versions/Radios are in the Aria compared to the Legend and I wonder if a parallel dev path can be followed for root and custom recovery.

All I really want to know is the hot spots app to make it compatible with att hotspots, cause if so, post rooting you can remove all the other junk, but I would love to get ahold of that apk from a dump for my n1.

attn1 said:
lol..
Let's just hope this will be as easy to get root for as other HTC phones have been recently.
It's very similar to the Legend. I wonder what SPL versions/Radios are in the Aria compared to the Legend and I wonder if a parallel dev path can be followed for root and custom recovery.
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I'm hopeful we will have root within the next couple days. It's like a competition for devs now when a new android drops they rush to root it lol

good news is google maps is there with all functionality, used the gps today worked great!!!!

a few questions
Wrong place to post. Sorry...

Im a first time google maps user and I think the program is brilliantly presented. Used it a few times now to just drive around and i its quicker than my Garmin Nuvi

I used the Maps program yesterday, I assume it is the Google one, there wasn't any talk of charging. It worked absolutely great! I don't like unasked for crapware on my phone, so I am looking forward to learning how to clean it up.
I absolutely love this phone! Every once in a while it seems to freeze for a second or two, but it has been very responsive so far.

yah i was wondering also about removing the bloatware
i did have a tilt and it was very easy to remove the bloatware right out of the box without hooking it up to a pc, with a restore then soft reset before all the extra stuff was reinstalled

alphajake said:
Hi there, the Aria will be my first phone that does more than make calls so please excuse my noobish questions, there will be more to come.
I've read and watched all the reviews out there and my first concern is the preinstalled ATT apps that will cost me money if I accidentally use them. Is there any way of removing them yet?
(I'm locked in to ATT because of Family Plan)
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If you don't want Data coverage (as I did) call AT&T, & request that they shut it off... I did it early in my HD2's life, so she only got me hit with a $1.85~ in service charges.

not sure
I was told you have to have the data plan with any PDA phone, they put it on a used blackberry we got my daughter just to texted. and they said we had to keep it. Have they changed their minds with the multiple data plans available.
Thanks
Jon

robonoob said:
good news is google maps is there with all functionality, used the gps today worked great!!!!
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sweet!!! that's great

Hey I'm not a promoter or paid to tell people to, but use an app called advanced task killer. It's on the market under free apps. When you are afraid something is running, go to it and click it. Depending on where it is it will either kill everything or ask you what to kill with everything selected. I have a small data plan so I have to use it to save money.

Task Killers actually increase battery usage and can cause other problems with apps and the OS. You're better off turning off auto-sync and background data if you're worried about apps using data.

[Q] Samsung Vibrant wifi-only updates?

Hi everyone! I'm brand new to the Android scene, so please be patient with me. I bought a Samsung Vibrant to develop on, but really didn't want to buy a monthly plan (was just going to use it over wifi). Turns out though, with the recent JI6 update, I can't get it unless I have an actual data plan (I called T-mobile to confirm). They said it'll be the same situation when Froyo eventually comes out.
SO... now I'm asking the hackers! Is there a way to manually install the updates via wifi only? Or should I abandon my quest for a wifi-only Android device and take this thing back before my 30 days are up?

Jesus Christ dude just take a look at the Vibrant development section.
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^^ LOL Fed

He did say he is new at this, So those who already know should be helpfull. Geez Whats wrong with america.
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Fedburin said:
Jesus Christ dude just take a look at the Vibrant development section.
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Wow calm down, he said he is new to this bear with him. Instead of of harassing him you could have answered and then this thread would of been death by now.
Anyways, you can update to the JI6 though something called ODIN, the forum under development has many tutorials of how to do it, all you need is ODIN and the Samsung Vibrant drivers, which are on development forum on the "bible thread" .
I hope that helps.
Here is a video to give you a basic idea of how to use ODIN again don't use the files shown there because they are outdated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnY7P14JSWQ

eh, i understand fed's frustration.. all these people flooding these forums with the same convoluted questions can take its toll.. but the OP is an admitted newbie.

elias4444 said:
Hi everyone! I'm brand new to the Android scene, so please be patient with me. I bought a Samsung Vibrant to develop on, but really didn't want to buy a monthly plan (was just going to use it over wifi). Turns out though, with the recent JI6 update, I can't get it unless I have an actual data plan (I called T-mobile to confirm). They said it'll be the same situation when Froyo eventually comes out.
SO... now I'm asking the hackers! Is there a way to manually install the updates via wifi only? Or should I abandon my quest for a wifi-only Android device and take this thing back before my 30 days are up?
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You could call up T-Mobile, have them activate the Internet for one month, then close it after you get the update. Just be sure not to sign a contract.

elias4444 said:
Hi everyone! I'm brand new to the Android scene, so please be patient with me. I bought a Samsung Vibrant to develop on, but really didn't want to buy a monthly plan (was just going to use it over wifi). Turns out though, with the recent JI6 update, I can't get it unless I have an actual data plan (I called T-mobile to confirm). They said it'll be the same situation when Froyo eventually comes out.
SO... now I'm asking the hackers! Is there a way to manually install the updates via wifi only? Or should I abandon my quest for a wifi-only Android device and take this thing back before my 30 days are up?
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You don't have a plan with T-Mobile period, or you don't have a plan that includes data?
If you have a plan with T-Mobile even without data you WILL get the OTA, I did and a few others did without a data plan. Also I'm on a prepaid plan, I got the update notification while wifi was on.
If you don't have a plan with T-Mobile at all then I'm not sure if you would get the OTA or not. My guess is you won't.
Also as the others have said, you could go to the development section and look at some of the threads that will help you get the update without waiting for the OTA notice.

Adventures in trying to get Phone calls

So, after having the tab for a day and a half, was getting twitchy on making phone calls.
I want that Phone icon on the screen!
So, after rooting (uber easy actually, z4root works a treat), got adbWireless to enable me to connect and got a shell.
Bit of juggling, mounting the /system and pushing in the Phone.apk's.
I've tried a whole bunch of Phone.apk's from anywhere I can find them basically, and still no joy as of yet.
In fact, getting a few errors now in a few places (PhoneInfo and TabletInformation errors).
Makes sense it's not trivial as we'd have seen something already probably.
And don't know if it's the phone.apk or the radio being used that's set to block.
How's everyone else getting on?

Thanks a lot for posting... I am anxious to see if we can do this... a friend of mine thought this would be a simple "install the phone apk" but we found that didn't work on Wednesday.
The only other one I've seen who's trying (publicly maybe?) is jdmadonna who posted his results over in the Tab Themes and Apps forum today that he rooted with z4root, then installed the phone.apk as you did, then the Tab started vibrating every few seconds and showed the message android phone has stopped working. When he rebooted, everything locked up apparently... he said he lost the network provider and baseband and could not bring them back, so he returned the tab. He had been looking for the Euro phone.apk, so I'm not sure if that's what he used here...
Guess it will not be as easy as we had hoped.... hopefully this nut can be cracked somehow.
Adding insult to injury is the Samsung T-Mobile user manual for the Tab which refers to it as a phone throughout! However, the pretty much useless pamphlet that T-Mo provides call it a "device."
Wish someone from Samsung would anonymously step in and help us out. The t-mo salesman I worked with (who was very helpful wrt to possibly using it as a phone) said he'd heard that some folks were/are? threatening a class-action lawsuit against the carriers... obviously a money maker for the lawyers... but I don't care... if it'd make them let us use it as a phone, that'd be fine with me.

Couldn't the carrier block phone access for the device by the IMEI number? Then it wouldn't matter what the user did, the tablet would never be able to make a call.

Here's what guyverunit had to say in this thread at post no. 52:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832643&page=6
Someone else reported this too... when you press activate on the Verizon phones at the start, they MAKE CALLS OUT.... this is what he said:
"so knowing that Verizon was selling there version at Best Buy i popped in there today to check it out, see if there plans or anything were better. they had just taken it out of the box and were setting it up. i went to work and on my lunch went back. they had the display set up so i played with it. it was still at the activation screen, i pressed activate and behold it dialed out to do the activation. even had a phone icon in the top bar.
so i talked to the best buy mobile manager there and ask if they had gotten it passed the activation he said no but he would try again. he tried and it dialed out. i said oh so it can make calls, he said yes its just not put into the software to do it for the user end but yes, it can make calls. he also said he gives it two weeks till the DEV community hack it to do just that. LOL"
The t-mo phones do not make phone calls to activate... at least mine didn't... the sales guy activated it by using the bar code and the computer and no "activate screen" came up at all... went straight to browser.
Don't know if that means the phones themselves are different... or if Verizon just kept the Euro phone activation approach...
Maybe the Verizon phones would be the best ones to work with?

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The only other one I've seen who's trying (publicly maybe?) is jdmadonna who posted his results over in the Tab Themes and Apps forum today that he rooted with z4root, then installed the phone.apk as you did, then the Tab started vibrating every few seconds and showed the message android phone has stopped working. When he rebooted, everything locked up apparently... he said he lost the network provider and baseband and could not bring them back, so he returned the tab. He had been looking for the Euro phone.apk, so I'm not sure if that's what he used here...
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One of the Phone.apk' did that for me too. The Phone.apk I'm using now has stopped showing me the connection in the top bar, so looks like that's related to that as well, but at least it's not crashing like it was.
I should really reflash back to base (is that possible atm?) and see what's doable.
I'm still holding on for a euro rom that's flashable to enable everything.

Do you think the Euro rom will work with US hardware, or should they be identical?
I was curious about Paten's question re the IMEI no. possibly being blocked and did a little searching...
I found a freelance programmer's site... codepainters blog....
http://codepainters.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/android-imei-number-and-the-emulator/
and in the course of saying how to change the IMEI number, he says this at the beginning:
"Anyway, code analysis shows that IMEI/IMSI request goes down through all the telephony layers (see the diagram), eventually getting to the baseband device."
I find this interesting because jdmadonna and you describe the phone.apk causing problems down to the baseband level... as did you...
Obviously, IANAAD (I am not an Android developer - my programming days are way in the past)... so maybe there are myriad other things that can cause a problem down to the baseband level...
Maybe it's just as simple as unblocking the ISEI no. as Paten suggests...
I'm also hopeful about the Euro flash, but am not brave enough (nor do I know how) to do it!

You guys are using a different SIM from the one you received with your Tab right? (if you got it on a plan). One that you know voice calling works on?
In Australia, the Tab does not have voice disabled, but they force you (for the initial launch) to sign up for a data only plan. The SIM you get on this plan is blocked for voice, but works for 3G and even sending SMSs.
You just might want to make sure that the SIM you have in actually works for voice in case you DO get it working from a software perspective, but it is just the SIM that is stopping the call.

Aye, swapped the sim over from my other phone (though the PAYG sim I got actually did support voice/data apparently, but I didn't want to risk it so took a known working sim)
Phone.apk
Radio stuff
imei
Don't know. Could be any of them, or combo of 2 or more even.
It's really crazy. I appreciate they probably want to keep it simple as a tablet device, but they're missing out on revenue. "Want to use voice? that's available for another 10 bucks and/or a different(more expensive) sim"
Keeps it working for people who just want a tab, and gets more cash from people who want to dump their phone.
Think it's telling that ALL the telco's are limiting the voice as if anyone of them broke ranks and offered voice, they'd all have to.
Guess we'll see which Telco chickens out first!
/sigh

Re the SIM card... the holder mine came in does say data only, but the tmo rep said it could still handle voice.. seemed odd to me... since jyveafk has tried switching it, guess I'll wait to see if a solution turns up... or the tab is going back and I'm not getting a new phone when my contract's out in protest!

I can phone from mine...

TheGrammarFreak said:
I can phone from mine...
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Everyone loves a nice ass...nobody likes a smart ass.

Croak said:
Everyone loves a nice ass...nobody likes a smart ass.
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I'm just saying. Mine came with ability to phone. I bought it unbranded, with no contact if that makes any difference.
Swyped from my Galaxy Tab

I love how he puts in his second post "Swyped from my Galaxy Tab" what a loser! ! !
Sent from my FroyoEris using XDA App

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I'm just saying. Mine came with ability to phone. I bought it unbranded, with no contact if that makes any difference.
Swyped from my Galaxy Tab
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If you had followed your own advice (search and engage brain ), you would realize that they are talking about US Tabs, as the phone function has been disabled on these.
Euro Tabs have phone functionality as standard and the Yanks already know this so your post came over as a little sarcastic!
Regards,
Dave

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I love how he puts in his second post "Swyped from my Galaxy Tab" what a loser! ! !
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Cheers dude, it's just what the XDA app appends to my posts.
Also, I'm sorry about getting the "nationality" of the tab wrong. Upon re-reading the thread I can see my error, sorry.
As it appears I'm not welcome here I'll stay in the legend section, bye...
Swyped from my Galaxy Tab

TheGrammarFreak said:
I can phone from mine...
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I'm sure the Americans, with their American Tabs, and questions about their American Tab making phone calls, really appreciate your input so much right now...

Actually...
TheGrammarFreak
Any chance you can adb pull the Phone.apk from your Tab please?
I've been using the Galaxy phone .apk's, not another Tab's Phone that's known to work. Perhaps this is the issue.
Can you pull it and post it please?
(plus, what country/provider are you on?)

alright guys. im gonna take the plundge. i noticed a dead pixel on my tab so its going back to tmobile for a replacement. i thought i would try the euro firmware before returning it. so guys, need your help! which firmware should i flash and whats the procedure for it. links would be helpful.
the firmwares are here, i dunno which one to flash tho.
http://www.4shared.com/dir/PYh2eQTG/ROMs.html
theres a great chance im gonna brick it, but since its going back, i thought i would try and just make up some excuse if they ask me what happened. help me out so i can help u out!

P1000XWJK1.
Thank you! thank you! Thank you!

jeebspawnshop said:
I'm sure the Americans, with their American Tabs, and questions about their American Tab making phone calls, really appreciate your input so much right now...
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Look, I'm sorry ok? I didn't think before posting
Jyveafk said:
Actually...
TheGrammarFreak
Any chance you can adb pull the Phone.apk from your Tab please?
I've been using the Galaxy phone .apk's, not another Tab's Phone that's known to work. Perhaps this is the issue.
Can you pull it and post it please?
(plus, what country/provider are you on?)
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UK, Vodafone. I'll post the apk soon, on the move at the moment