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Quick Verification Hero on AT&T

I apologize for the post I know this information is around and believe me I have spent weeks searching and reading around before troubling you, However before I go and drop almost $600 on a phone I was hoping to just double check and get some verification that this should work.
I currently have a AT&T Tilt (aka the Kaiser) and have had it for a few years now. I very much would like to get my hands on a Hero.
Based on everything I have read both here and else where I should be able to take the existing sim card from my Tilt pop it into this phone and be good to go
http://www.negrielectronics.com/hero-usnam-unlocked-black-p-3037.html
Its the HTC Hero US/NAM 3G version that a few sites have been offering. From what I understand it is likely from Canada, I guess that Rogers wireless uses the same bands as AT&T for 3G ? (850/1900 if i recall).
Have we heard of anyone doing this successfully?
Any issues I should know about?
General issues with the phone? (I haven't really heard anything and as I said i've been googlin my butt off for weeks)
My general use other than a phone of course.
GPS - use it on my tilt all the time
Music - Currently have a Motorola Bluetooth FM transmitter, as well as a pair of Motorola bluetooth headphones
Web access, the tilt is great as a phone but the OS is just to clunky, I would rather wait till I get home or to the office most of the time to google something then use any of the browsers I have tried.
Pictures now and then, love having a camera in my phone to take some snaps of friends but the Tilts is horrible as we all know.
Any incite you can provide would be greatly appreciated
Thank you

snowmirage said:
I apologize for the post I know this information is around and believe me I have spent weeks searching and reading around before troubling you, However before I go and drop almost $600 on a phone I was hoping to just double check and get some verification that this should work.
I currently have a AT&T Tilt (aka the Kaiser) and have had it for a few years now. I very much would like to get my hands on a Hero.
Based on everything I have read both here and else where I should be able to take the existing sim card from my Tilt pop it into this phone and be good to go
http://www.negrielectronics.com/hero-usnam-unlocked-black-p-3037.html
Its the HTC Hero US/NAM 3G version that a few sites have been offering. From what I understand it is likely from Canada, I guess that Rogers wireless uses the same bands as AT&T for 3G ? (850/1900 if i recall).
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Looks to be the right model, at least according to the website. It's actually from Telus, which also uses the same 3G bands.
snowmirage said:
Have we heard of anyone doing this successfully?
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Yes, many people, including myself!
snowmirage said:
Any issues I should know about?
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Works great on AT&T, haven't noticed any connectivity issues. As a matter of fact, I actually get better signal with this phone than I did with my old phone (an LG Vu). Also you should have full access to the Market, so no worries about not being able to download apps.
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General issues with the phone? (I haven't really heard anything and as I said i've been googlin my butt off for weeks)
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None specific to the North American version or using it with AT&T. Sense UI can be a big laggy at times, but there's plenty of solutions in this forum for that. Other than that, I personally have no complaints. Look through this forum for other people's thoughts. In general, though, most people's experience has been pretty positive and I think the majority of people in this forum would say it's a great device. (again, just my opinion based on following this forum)
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My general use other than a phone of course.
GPS - use it on my tilt all the time
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GPS works fine for me here in the US
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Music - Currently have a Motorola Bluetooth FM transmitter, as well as a pair of Motorola bluetooth headphones
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The music app is not the most advanced, but it gets the job done, and I don't mind it. The bonus is that if you don't like it, you can replace it.
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Web access, the tilt is great as a phone but the OS is just to clunky, I would rather wait till I get home or to the office most of the time to google something then use any of the browsers I have tried.
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Browser's pretty good for a stock browser. Includes pinch-to-zoom and basic flash integration (a rarity on a phone). I like it. There's also alternatives for download in the Market, such as Dolphin, which is another great browser.
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Pictures now and then, love having a camera in my phone to take some snaps of friends but the Tilts is horrible as we all know.
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It's still a cell phone camera, albeit with a bigger sensor. I may be biased as a semi-professional photographer though. For a phone, it takes pretty good pictures, and the 5 megapixels is convenient, as you can usually actually see details in your pictures!
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Any incite you can provide would be greatly appreciated
Thank you
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Overall, I'm very happy with my phone. I've had it since around Thanksgiving, and it's worked great. If you're buying it already unlocked, that simplifies things even further.
The one thing you'll have to do to get data and MMS working, though, is enter the proper APN settings so your phone knows how to get online. These come already on phones from AT&T, but not if you buy it elsewhere. They're easy enough to find by searching either this forum or Google for AT&T APN.
Hope you enjoy your Hero!

Thank you, Thank you, and Thank you! for all the info
Sounds like its a great phone, any of the minor issues seem to be things that are already 100x worse on my Tilt anyhow so it wont bother me any.
GOODBYE windows mobile!
Once I get the phone in I'll be sure to post the results for others reference.

I am a former Tilt user converted to the Telus Hero on AT&T and love every minute of it!.

Just purchased a developers edition

I wasnt really looking for a developers edition phone, I have no knowledge of how to develop programs. I got a great deal on the phone, at least I think i did($180) and its in mint condition.
But my question is, what are the areas that I should stay away from? like programs or functions in the phone that might mess something up.
Im sorry if this has been coverd, i tried to search.

The only thing that you can not recovery from is a mismatched radio and spl, the rest is always recoverable.

The phone is basically the exact same as the G1, only you have root by default. There really isn't anything you can do to mess it up. Stay away from the terminal emulator unless you know what you're doing, but other than that, enjoy Android!

Thanks guys, good to know!

You got a very good deal on your G1, mine cost me $220

Macmee said:
You got a very good deal on your G1, mine cost me $220
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i thought I got a good deal, Its in great condition, unlocked and rooted, running cyanogenMod. Saves me the hassle of doing all that.

Alright guys, been doing some searching and looking around for some info. I'm on At&t, and I dont have a data plan, yet I use MMS quite a bit. I plan on turning off data, will I still be able to send MMS? I found some stuff on it, but I really dont understand it.
I am normally around a wifi location for most of the day, but when Im not im wondering if any of the apps or programs will bypass the data off function?
Thanks guys.

yeah, mms/sms is separate from data

yeah good deal, i got mine new for $240.

SmokeyJBluntz said:
yeah, mms/sms is separate from data
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This depends entirely on the carrier. A lot of carriers will charge you $0.20 for the SMS, PLUS the data usage for the MMS. I can't promise AT&T will give you free MMS.

Gary13579 said:
This depends entirely on the carrier. A lot of carriers will charge you $0.20 for the SMS, PLUS the data usage for the MMS. I can't promise AT&T will give you free MMS.
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I have unlimited text and picture messages(mms). But Afaik mms requires data access.
I just got the phone bout 10 min ago, so im playing with it ATM. really happy with the condition of it, cant find any scratches yet.
Its running an older cyanogenMod, Im thinking about upgrading to the newest one, but I've got alot of reading to do before I attempt it.

Ok im sorry if this has been coverd, I cant seem to find what Im looking for through a search, And Im a NooB.
Im gonna upgrade to the newest CyanogenMod. It says to put the latest one in the root of my SD card, Am I supposed to extract the files before I put them in there, or does android have an extracting program.
::EDIT::
Nevermind, Guess i can just figure this one out on my own, if it doesnt work one way, then it'll probaly work the other way.

alright guys, Android phones are freaking awesome!!
But I cant figure out the ringtones, Seems I only have one ringtone on my phone, is there a max length/size that ringones can be, and can they be played from SD card?
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Figured it out. Sorry, Im used to motorola's.

Figured id make a post from my phone. Gotta say I'm very impressed with android!

quick question. I dont have a data plan. Just checked my at&t acount and I've use a lil bit of data. I would rather not use any at all, and just use my wifi. Are there certain apps/programs that will use data, instead of wifi?
also when i set up my phone, i got a gmail accnt. does this play a role in anything?

::UPDATE::
Got it figured out, well I cheated. Edited the APN for the wap.cingular. works like a charm.
and Im really suprised as to how many apps that say they require network access, they really dont.

WHY should I root and modify my new G1? What are the benefits?

I am new to the forum, and I just bought a new G1 off craigslist tonight. ($150, new in box, with two protective cases). Why should I root and modify it? What are the benefits? What will I be able to do that I can't do right now? Links?
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
EDIT: Oh, I should have said that I am not looking for another hobby or technological fun (I get plenty of that!). I just need to know what I have to gain before I dig in. Thanks.

If you have to ask that, just don't bother.

soo many XXXX on here.
Mod Edit: Respect other members, Keep language clean juniors use XDA. Warning given.

No need to be offensive. Post reported.
My reply is perfectly valid.. If you don't even know why you want root, what's the point..? Just be happy with what you've got.

Do a search for "Root" and just read.

Tethering (use your 3g connection on your laptop)
Apps to SD (the g1 only has a few megabytes of memory for apps/games, so you can use a lot more)
Eclair(live wallpapers, more features)
Multitouch(if your used to the iphone/ipod touch)
Hero/Sense (to get a different android experience)
SPEED! (some roms like superd/fastTest/CSDI are fast as hell!)
Themes (so you can make your phone look any way you want (pink notification bars ftw))
Thats about it.

goldenarmZ said:
No need to be offensive. Post reported.
My reply is perfectly valid.. If you don't even know why you want root, what's the point..? Just be happy with what you've got.
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you don't have to give a smart answer. the guy new and just wants some help.

Zibga said:
Oh, I should have said that I am not looking for another hobby or technological fun (I get plenty of that!). I just need to know what I have to gain before I dig in. Thanks.
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Really, if you aren't looking for something you need to put a lot of work into, rooting and modifying your device probably isn't for you. Unless you want to be left with outdated and obsolete features. There are a lot of things about rooting that you really should keep up with. And if you can't make the commitment to it, it's probably best to just skip this.
But like I said before, you can do it now, forget about everything else and just keep outdated and obsolete features.

THANKS! It is a beautiful thing when a person chooses to be helpful and kind. I appreciate it.
I guess apps to the SD and the increased speed are the only two things that I would be interested in.
If the phone memory fills up, will anything else I install automatically go the the 2gb sim card?
I do not have a data plan and plan on just connecting to home and work wi-fi networks when I need to access the Internet. Will moding the G1 help with anything wi-fi related?
mejorguille said:
Tethering (use your 3g connection on your laptop)
Apps to SD (the g1 only has a few megabytes of memory for apps/games, so you can use a lot more)
Eclair(live wallpapers, more features)
Multitouch(if your used to the iphone/ipod touch)
Hero/Sense (to get a different android experience)
SPEED! (some roms like superd/fastTest/CSDI are fast as hell!)
Themes (so you can make your phone look any way you want (pink notification bars ftw))
Thats about it.
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Thank you for your honesty. I appreciate it.
grandomegabosses said:
Really, if you aren't looking for something you need to put a lot of work into, rooting and modifying your device probably isn't for you. Unless you want to be left with outdated and obsolete features. There are a lot of things about rooting that you really should keep up with. And if you can't make the commitment to it, it's probably best to just skip this.
But like I said before, you can do it now, forget about everything else and just keep outdated and obsolete features.
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mejorguille said:
Multitouch(if your used to the iphone/ipod touch)
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Anymore info on this?

Multitouch(if your used to the iphone/ipod touch)
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Anymore info on this?
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Don't get too interested. Due to the G1's slow processor, most multi-touch will be more like.. a bad synonym that I can't think of. Upgrading to the Nexus last week from this device.. was worth it.

grandomegabosses said:
Really, if you aren't looking for something you need to put a lot of work into, rooting and modifying your device probably isn't for you. Unless you want to be left with outdated and obsolete features. There are a lot of things about rooting that you really should keep up with. And if you can't make the commitment to it, it's probably best to just skip this.
But like I said before, you can do it now, forget about everything else and just keep outdated and obsolete features.
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That's basically what I meant, but with more words.

Well, after a couple days of using the phone and downloading productivity apps and games that I think I will use on a regular basis, I only have 10MB of space left on the phone. So, it looks like I will be rooting/modding out of necessity.

Why root/mod the G1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645967
6 Things they don't tell you before you ROOT your phone
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f28/6-things-they-dont-tell-you-before-you-root-your-phone-14792/

Zibga said:
Why root/mod the G1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645967
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Wow, my post used to help someone else. Guess it was not a stupid question after all. LOL.
Personaly I like being able to run Eclair on my phone. I just like the look and feel of it. That and using setcpu helps battery life. Just my 2 cents.

Zibga said:
6 Things they don't tell you before you ROOT your phone
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f28/6-things-they-dont-tell-you-before-you-root-your-phone-14792/
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I wouldn't listen to that article, it's VERY outdated.
Also, another reason: (see my sig)

Care to elaborate/give details why? Thanks.
Meltus said:
I wouldn't listen to that article, it's VERY outdated.
Also, another reason: (see my sig)
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Zibga said:
Care to elaborate/give details why? Thanks.
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Well, it's over a year old, and something in the Android world is pretty much outdated after a few weeks
But here is some other reasons:
1) Not sure about this. Although, i'm pretty sure i remember using a multi-touch gallery a while ago.
2) I'm not sure why you'd want that anyway, it's pretty pointless. Also, that's only true for the home screen. There are apps on the marketplace that have 180° rotation. Cyanogen has also built in 180° rotation into his Nexus ROM so it could be possible on the G1.
3) I have no idea what the author means by this. Saving apps to your SDcard only means you can potentially install thousands of apps because they get saved to the SDcard instead of the phone. Also, i believe you can move the CACHE to the sdcard now too.
4) Downloading themes is very easy and incredibly simple to do now with Metamorph. It's pretty hard to 'soft-brick' your phone with this.
5) Not true at all. Everything is explained in very detailed tutorials. The only way you can mess up the Linux commands is if you can't read. Obviously, having a knowledge of Linux is very handy.
6) The firmware we have on our phones are MILES better than anything T-mobile releases, purely because devs get the OTA, mod it, and release something awesome, usually, the same day. Oh, you'd also lose root if you flashed one of these OTA's.
I'm not blaming the author of that thread at all, It's just things have improved ten fold since this time last year

Cyanogen has his 180 degree rotation in his newest Donut ROM (if you even really want it?)
If you use nandroid, there's never a reason to worry about a soft-brick. I nandroid every other day actually. Flashing something or not.
Finally, the person who got me into rooting was still running cyanogen 4.0.4 about a month ago and still loved it. you don't have to be "dedicated." of course, you'll be lacking some features you might find useful if you never update, but you'll still always be on top of a stock phone.
And, yes, meltus' famous louder volume hack. (If it wasn't for this I never would have been up for work with my mytouch alarm.)
Apps2sd - get a bigger sdcard. I have an 8gig class 6. payed 18 dollars for it on ebay (with free shipping) got it in 3 days. and yes, apps2sd might not free up your internal storage because of cache and all that.... but: it lets you install more apps. and: there are apps the clear your cache. you can even set it to clear periodically (mines clears every 24 hours.)
yes: I would suggest rooting, but I would also suggest that you read VERY closely and learn wtf to do before you ever even try.

Adventures in trying to get Phone calls

So, after having the tab for a day and a half, was getting twitchy on making phone calls.
I want that Phone icon on the screen!
So, after rooting (uber easy actually, z4root works a treat), got adbWireless to enable me to connect and got a shell.
Bit of juggling, mounting the /system and pushing in the Phone.apk's.
I've tried a whole bunch of Phone.apk's from anywhere I can find them basically, and still no joy as of yet.
In fact, getting a few errors now in a few places (PhoneInfo and TabletInformation errors).
Makes sense it's not trivial as we'd have seen something already probably.
And don't know if it's the phone.apk or the radio being used that's set to block.
How's everyone else getting on?

Thanks a lot for posting... I am anxious to see if we can do this... a friend of mine thought this would be a simple "install the phone apk" but we found that didn't work on Wednesday.
The only other one I've seen who's trying (publicly maybe?) is jdmadonna who posted his results over in the Tab Themes and Apps forum today that he rooted with z4root, then installed the phone.apk as you did, then the Tab started vibrating every few seconds and showed the message android phone has stopped working. When he rebooted, everything locked up apparently... he said he lost the network provider and baseband and could not bring them back, so he returned the tab. He had been looking for the Euro phone.apk, so I'm not sure if that's what he used here...
Guess it will not be as easy as we had hoped.... hopefully this nut can be cracked somehow.
Adding insult to injury is the Samsung T-Mobile user manual for the Tab which refers to it as a phone throughout! However, the pretty much useless pamphlet that T-Mo provides call it a "device."
Wish someone from Samsung would anonymously step in and help us out. The t-mo salesman I worked with (who was very helpful wrt to possibly using it as a phone) said he'd heard that some folks were/are? threatening a class-action lawsuit against the carriers... obviously a money maker for the lawyers... but I don't care... if it'd make them let us use it as a phone, that'd be fine with me.

Couldn't the carrier block phone access for the device by the IMEI number? Then it wouldn't matter what the user did, the tablet would never be able to make a call.

Here's what guyverunit had to say in this thread at post no. 52:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832643&page=6
Someone else reported this too... when you press activate on the Verizon phones at the start, they MAKE CALLS OUT.... this is what he said:
"so knowing that Verizon was selling there version at Best Buy i popped in there today to check it out, see if there plans or anything were better. they had just taken it out of the box and were setting it up. i went to work and on my lunch went back. they had the display set up so i played with it. it was still at the activation screen, i pressed activate and behold it dialed out to do the activation. even had a phone icon in the top bar.
so i talked to the best buy mobile manager there and ask if they had gotten it passed the activation he said no but he would try again. he tried and it dialed out. i said oh so it can make calls, he said yes its just not put into the software to do it for the user end but yes, it can make calls. he also said he gives it two weeks till the DEV community hack it to do just that. LOL"
The t-mo phones do not make phone calls to activate... at least mine didn't... the sales guy activated it by using the bar code and the computer and no "activate screen" came up at all... went straight to browser.
Don't know if that means the phones themselves are different... or if Verizon just kept the Euro phone activation approach...
Maybe the Verizon phones would be the best ones to work with?

xexes said:
The only other one I've seen who's trying (publicly maybe?) is jdmadonna who posted his results over in the Tab Themes and Apps forum today that he rooted with z4root, then installed the phone.apk as you did, then the Tab started vibrating every few seconds and showed the message android phone has stopped working. When he rebooted, everything locked up apparently... he said he lost the network provider and baseband and could not bring them back, so he returned the tab. He had been looking for the Euro phone.apk, so I'm not sure if that's what he used here...
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One of the Phone.apk' did that for me too. The Phone.apk I'm using now has stopped showing me the connection in the top bar, so looks like that's related to that as well, but at least it's not crashing like it was.
I should really reflash back to base (is that possible atm?) and see what's doable.
I'm still holding on for a euro rom that's flashable to enable everything.

Do you think the Euro rom will work with US hardware, or should they be identical?
I was curious about Paten's question re the IMEI no. possibly being blocked and did a little searching...
I found a freelance programmer's site... codepainters blog....
http://codepainters.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/android-imei-number-and-the-emulator/
and in the course of saying how to change the IMEI number, he says this at the beginning:
"Anyway, code analysis shows that IMEI/IMSI request goes down through all the telephony layers (see the diagram), eventually getting to the baseband device."
I find this interesting because jdmadonna and you describe the phone.apk causing problems down to the baseband level... as did you...
Obviously, IANAAD (I am not an Android developer - my programming days are way in the past)... so maybe there are myriad other things that can cause a problem down to the baseband level...
Maybe it's just as simple as unblocking the ISEI no. as Paten suggests...
I'm also hopeful about the Euro flash, but am not brave enough (nor do I know how) to do it!

You guys are using a different SIM from the one you received with your Tab right? (if you got it on a plan). One that you know voice calling works on?
In Australia, the Tab does not have voice disabled, but they force you (for the initial launch) to sign up for a data only plan. The SIM you get on this plan is blocked for voice, but works for 3G and even sending SMSs.
You just might want to make sure that the SIM you have in actually works for voice in case you DO get it working from a software perspective, but it is just the SIM that is stopping the call.

Aye, swapped the sim over from my other phone (though the PAYG sim I got actually did support voice/data apparently, but I didn't want to risk it so took a known working sim)
Phone.apk
Radio stuff
imei
Don't know. Could be any of them, or combo of 2 or more even.
It's really crazy. I appreciate they probably want to keep it simple as a tablet device, but they're missing out on revenue. "Want to use voice? that's available for another 10 bucks and/or a different(more expensive) sim"
Keeps it working for people who just want a tab, and gets more cash from people who want to dump their phone.
Think it's telling that ALL the telco's are limiting the voice as if anyone of them broke ranks and offered voice, they'd all have to.
Guess we'll see which Telco chickens out first!
/sigh

Re the SIM card... the holder mine came in does say data only, but the tmo rep said it could still handle voice.. seemed odd to me... since jyveafk has tried switching it, guess I'll wait to see if a solution turns up... or the tab is going back and I'm not getting a new phone when my contract's out in protest!

I can phone from mine...

TheGrammarFreak said:
I can phone from mine...
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Everyone loves a nice ass...nobody likes a smart ass.

Croak said:
Everyone loves a nice ass...nobody likes a smart ass.
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I'm just saying. Mine came with ability to phone. I bought it unbranded, with no contact if that makes any difference.
Swyped from my Galaxy Tab

I love how he puts in his second post "Swyped from my Galaxy Tab" what a loser! ! !
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TheGrammarFreak said:
I'm just saying. Mine came with ability to phone. I bought it unbranded, with no contact if that makes any difference.
Swyped from my Galaxy Tab
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If you had followed your own advice (search and engage brain ), you would realize that they are talking about US Tabs, as the phone function has been disabled on these.
Euro Tabs have phone functionality as standard and the Yanks already know this so your post came over as a little sarcastic!
Regards,
Dave

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I love how he puts in his second post "Swyped from my Galaxy Tab" what a loser! ! !
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Cheers dude, it's just what the XDA app appends to my posts.
Also, I'm sorry about getting the "nationality" of the tab wrong. Upon re-reading the thread I can see my error, sorry.
As it appears I'm not welcome here I'll stay in the legend section, bye...
Swyped from my Galaxy Tab

TheGrammarFreak said:
I can phone from mine...
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I'm sure the Americans, with their American Tabs, and questions about their American Tab making phone calls, really appreciate your input so much right now...

Actually...
TheGrammarFreak
Any chance you can adb pull the Phone.apk from your Tab please?
I've been using the Galaxy phone .apk's, not another Tab's Phone that's known to work. Perhaps this is the issue.
Can you pull it and post it please?
(plus, what country/provider are you on?)

alright guys. im gonna take the plundge. i noticed a dead pixel on my tab so its going back to tmobile for a replacement. i thought i would try the euro firmware before returning it. so guys, need your help! which firmware should i flash and whats the procedure for it. links would be helpful.
the firmwares are here, i dunno which one to flash tho.
http://www.4shared.com/dir/PYh2eQTG/ROMs.html
theres a great chance im gonna brick it, but since its going back, i thought i would try and just make up some excuse if they ask me what happened. help me out so i can help u out!

P1000XWJK1.
Thank you! thank you! Thank you!

jeebspawnshop said:
I'm sure the Americans, with their American Tabs, and questions about their American Tab making phone calls, really appreciate your input so much right now...
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Look, I'm sorry ok? I didn't think before posting
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Actually...
TheGrammarFreak
Any chance you can adb pull the Phone.apk from your Tab please?
I've been using the Galaxy phone .apk's, not another Tab's Phone that's known to work. Perhaps this is the issue.
Can you pull it and post it please?
(plus, what country/provider are you on?)
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UK, Vodafone. I'll post the apk soon, on the move at the moment

Engadget Review Atrix

Nice review.
http://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/#disqus_threadhttp://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/#disqus_thread

One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?

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One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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same could be said about the iphone

smitty1 said:
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a pretty solid review, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
Of course, you've also got your obligatory AT&T services--AT&T Navigator, AT&T FamilyMap, and AT&T U-Verse Live TV--on there, but for once, you can actually uninstall any of these apps if you wish.
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but Engadget disagrees:
We're a little disappointed by the fact that Motorola and AT&T are loading up the Atrix with a considerable amount of bloatware, and there's nothing you can really do about it. Vlingo, a handful of AT&T apps, Blockbuster, and a smattering of other programs all ship on the handset with no option to delete them.
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Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
ETA: The review was updated with this:
Update: Some of the pre-installed apps can be deleted, but not all.
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Huh.

again, AT&T hasn't finished the backhaul necessary. Also, I always get lower speed tests with the Speedtest.net app than I do with XtremeLabs app. When I get my phone, I'll test the speeds, should be about 2200-3500 in Stl. if it's like the N1. That's WITHOUT the '4G'

They tested it against the iphone and the iphone beat it hands down.
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The odd thing is that if you compare the device against the iPhone 4 on AT&T's network -- tested in exactly the same locations -- you see much different results. On the iPhone, data speeds were consistently in the 2 or 3 Mbps range for downloads, and hovering around 1 Mbps for uploads."
That is a bowl of suck right there.

Battleship said:
AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a solid review all around, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
but Engadget disagrees:
Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
ETA: The review was updated with this:
Huh.
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check the article again, there's an update.

smitty1 said:
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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I've heard that 4G services will be launching in the coming months on AT&T.
Battleship said:
AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a solid review all around, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
but Engadget disagrees:
Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
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I was curious about this, too. Perhaps Joshua Topolsky doesn't know about "Manage Apps >> uninstall" because he isn't a regular Android user? I doubt the CNET guy would have said that if it weren't possible.

smitty1 said:
They tested it against the iphone and the iphone beat it hands down.
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The odd thing is that if you compare the device against the iPhone 4 on AT&T's network -- tested in exactly the same locations -- you see much different results. On the iPhone, data speeds were consistently in the 2 or 3 Mbps range for downloads, and hovering around 1 Mbps for uploads."
That is a bowl of suck right there.
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They are testing in New York. AT&T in New York sucks. This is not news. It will probably be much better as long as you don't live there.

kennethpenn said:
I was curious about this, too. Perhaps Joshua Topolsky doesn't know about "Manage Apps >> uninstall" because he isn't a regular Android user? I doubt the CNET guy would have said that if it weren't possible.
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He did update the review with this:
Update: Some of the pre-installed apps can be deleted, but not all.
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so now all we need is an itemized list. Ha. Must say I'm WTFing about that Blockbuster app. I hope that's one of the apps that can be uninstalled out of the box.

Battleship said:
so now all we need is an itemized list. Ha. Must say I'm WTFing about that Blockbuster app. I hope that's one of the apps that can be uninstalled out of the box.
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On the droid x I have I could only uninstall updates, not delete it (without root). Motorola has a deal with Blockbuster, so they put it on all their phones.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if z4root worked right out of the box. It's already designed to work on Motorola phones running 2.2.1, so it probably will work for this too. Once that's done, TiBu will remove everything extra anyway.

On the battery side, the Atrix 4G packs an impressive 1930mAh battery inside, and even though Android is data intensive, we found ourselves squeezing more than 24 hours out of the device on a single charge with fairly heavy use. You can probably get more time out of the device if you avoid calls when possible and keep your brightness settings in check, but we were pleasantly surprised by the performance we saw.
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This is excellent news!
The battery was the one thing I was really concerned about. I am very pleased to see this working so well. Maybe there is hope for the Atrix after all...
Oh and on a side note:
That camera looks awful!

Seriously you idiots on XDA who gives a **** on about the bloatware one quick flash and you will be... oh wait its completely locked. FU MOTO AT&T go **** yourselves. Im waiting for a PYrimid scheme and some qualcomm 2x at Tmobile. Im sure ill be missed at Att but ill be sure to spread the already ****ty word that has been plaguing them as well.

No comment on the gps? That's like my main concern now since my captivate has a pretty crappy gps lol

sdlopez83 said:
Seriously you idiots on XDA who gives a **** on about the bloatware one quick flash and you will be... oh wait its completely locked. FU MOTO AT&T go **** yourselves. Im waiting for a PYrimid scheme and some qualcomm 2x at Tmobile. Im sure ill be missed at Att but ill be sure to spread the already ****ty word that has been plaguing them as well.
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You ok man?

lol, yeah, don't hold back or anything. This phone is sounding like a winner to me assuming it can be properly rooted and custom roms installed. I never had an interest in the docks anyways so the overall beatings they are taking in the reviews isn't a concern to me. Like engadget I love the concept but the laptop dock cannot replace a laptop as is making it a third wheel for me.

Well, all I wanted to see in that review was info on the bootloader, and... it's locked... Not really a surprise, but hey, I was holding onto hope. The fact that this phone won't be getting much dev support, and because it's all plastic, means I'll be crossing it off my list... My perfect Android device, has yet to surface.

doesn't the Droid X have custom roms? If so, couldn't there be custom ROMs on this phone as well?

eallan said:
You ok man?
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im pissed off, I have TP2 and desperate for a new phone. I was looking forward to the Atrix but not happy with att nor there unwillingness to make it easy for devs. Motoblur is a joke as well as froyo with this thing. Are you kidding me?

sdlopez83 said:
im pissed off, I have TP2 and desperate for a new phone. I was looking forward to the Atrix but not happy with att nor there unwillingness to make it easy for devs. Motoblur is a joke as well as froyo with this thing. Are you kidding me?
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I am willing to bet that custom roms will start rolling out after about a month. I don't understand what the big deal is with bootloader, with it unlocked, we might see roms a few weeks sooner, but either way it will get done. I know it will get rooted within a week, that is a fact. Once it's rooted, feel free to ASOPify the phone however you like...
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