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Touch HD vs. Xperia - A non-professional view

The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.

You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.

sproxy said:
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!

msalmank said:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246

borce_razor said:
Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.

foo said:
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."

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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.

holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!

nap007 said:
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...

Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite

As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.

Black93300ZX said:
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
Black93300ZX said:
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.

i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!

netnerd said:
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?

I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!

Nyberg said:
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD

The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.

two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated

dazza9075 said:
course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.

netnerd said:
huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.

New panels coming

This is encouraging news for those of us waiting for new official panels:
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=6338
The skype one sounds very interesting!

Woohoo, can't wait!
I'm looking forward to the 'On The Road' one, hopefully it will be very finger-friendly. Slightly strange panel concept though what with the whole 'using a phone whilst driving is kinda dangerous' thing!

thank god.. they do care

It's a Sony...
And I am a PC
1- Skype VoIP panel (Vodafone will ban it for sure LOL)
2- "On the road" finger-friendly panel for easy access to main features at a a galce while busy with other tasks (driving ??)
3- CNN news Panel (I've been witing for this particular one)
4- Mytopia panel (did I hear "lack of games" anybody ??)
Only problem is 9 slots won't be enough
BTW SONY also announced the release of it's new SE Idou phone with a TWELVE POINT FRICKIN' ONE megapixel camera, symbian OS, WiFi & 3.5" touch screen (Barcelona, Mobile World Congress SE press release today)

And W995 Walkman with 8 mpx camera as well.... They move forward...!

thats great new panels are coming even though i just use the one panel from sony that suits pretty much all my needs. other than the xda forum, i just would like to see continuing support from sony for the x1.

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BTW SONY also announced the release of it's new SE Idou phone with a TWELVE POINT FRICKIN' ONE megapixel camera, symbian OS, WiFi & 3.5" touch screen (Barcelona, Mobile World Congress SE press release today)
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Is Symbian better than a WinMo device? Gotta love that camera though

RageDemon said:
Is Symbian better than a WinMo device? Gotta love that camera though
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If you want to compare symbian vrs winmo this thread is gonna explode in flames
Don't want to go off topic, just a sggestion:
Check bengalboy's forum, he made some interesting symbian/winmo deathmatches in the past, mostly between Sony Symbiand devices and HTC winmo devices

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Is Symbian better than a WinMo device? Gotta love that camera though
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Why do you love that camera? We haven't even seen the sample pictures yet so who knows what the quality is like. Please don't assume higher pixel automatically equals better quality. As with the past SE camera phones, that is definitely not the case.

is touch hd better than x1?

unhappy x1 owner

Better screen, lighter, better UI.
What are you looking for in the answers?

maybe you want to explain why are you unhappy with x1
browsing this forum will give you all informaton about issues of the Blackstone
you can even find some compartive benchmarks between HD and X1
so, what exactly do you want to know?

is touch hd faster less lag?
does the bigger screen keyboard makes up for the real keyboard of x1?
does the battery last longer?

leobox1 said:
is touch hd faster less lag?
does the bigger screen keyboard makes up for the real keyboard of x1?
does the battery last longer?
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no
no
don't think so

? so u mean x1 is better??

no i don't mean that as long as i own a HD and not X1
in some aspects HD is better is some other aspects is X1 that take the lead
for example, i never consider X1 just because it's thikness. i don't need the phisical keyboard because i don't text so much
so better is what is better TO YOU

how about the camera>

Definately Touch HD will be better because of 5MP camera compare to X1 only come with 3MP

belon_cfy said:
Definately Touch HD will be better because of 5MP camera compare to X1 only come with 3MP
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i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
so.....

leobox1 said:
? so u mean x1 is better??
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nope I dont think so... nearly the same... i compared them before buying my HD and to my mind the X1 is too bullky-to big. (FOR ME! Its my opinion, If you have big pockets, than its no problem!)
But I think you can play games better with yout X1! We dont have hardware buttons!!! :O
But I can read eBooks more comfortable , because the screen is a little bit bigger (but has the same resolution)

The screen makes all the difference, HD got a bigger and easy to use screen, X1 screen is recessed so you might have problems clicking on the screen limits like the X in the corner.
Also the keyboard and hardware keys of the X1 can be easy to use but they might fail after some time of intensive use.

noris08 said:
i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
on the other hand, sony is well known for quality cameras
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AFAIK, X1 is also manufactured by HTC, but for Sony. I don't recall where I read this, but this is what I have been lead to believe.
For me HD is awesome. Especially after upgrading/changing ROM. Absolutely love the high res, non-recessed screen. My only problem - complete lack of hardware buttons.
And it looks much much better than X1, but that's too subjective...
Internal hardware wise, I don't think it makes much of a difference. I've tried lots of HTC devices (including 200 MHz Omap processer - Charmer), and the only thing that makes a difference is amount of memory so that you can run more applications at the same time without worrying about running out of memory.

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AFAIK, X1 is also manufactured by HTC, but for Sony. I don't recall where I read this, but this is what I have been lead to believe.
that is true, x1 is made by htc
the difference is the software designed by se programmers, some drivers that htc usualy miss, small issues like that
i assume though that there are also some hardware components specificaly requested by se, like metal casing, for instance
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X1 better than the HD ?
Personally I don't think so.
If you're someone that texts allot, you'd be happy with the X1 since it has the physical keyboard.
But the HD is lighter, thinner and the TF3D is more user friendly than the standard WM6.1 stuff on the X1.
Though you can change all of that by flashing your device.
The battery of the HD is ok.
I play alot with it and the batterylife can reach like 2 days max.
If I stop playing with it and use it for phoning only, it may reach 3 days.
The screenquality on the HD is the thing that does it for me.
Since its a bigger screen, the experience of watching movies or streaming media is far cooler than you'll ever get on the X1.
Together with the big screen you'll find the 3.5 mm earjack which you can use to plug your favorite audiophone.
Don't know if the X1 has a extention to plug 3.5mm audiophones...
I'd choose for the HD.
X1 is more practical sometimes, but the HD is in my opinion very stylish.
Even more stylish than the Iphone... I think.
Greetings and goodluck

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i seriously doubt that
htc cameras are well known being of poor quality. beside that it seems that the software is not well designed, as a lot of people noticed
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Hmm I've had a few SE phones in recent history. I was very happy with my SE W810i, camera was pretty decent on that.
Upgraded to the K850i and hated the damn thing, especially the camera which while supposed to be 5mp was attrocious. I had so many faults with the model in the end Orange got sick of sending me new ones and upgraded me to the C902. Decent phone but again the camera was nothing special. I personally have found the quality on my HD better than the C902 which is also 5mp. I considered the X1 but have had so many issues with SE of late that i wanted to try something different and i am absolutely loving the HD so far.

touch hd
I have had my HD for severl months now and it is always failed to impress me (aprt from the gorgeous screen) by far the best HTC I have had were the orbit and XDA exec, both good phones. My only problem with it is that it was hiped to buggery when it was released as a super amazing fast all singing all dancing media phone, it isnt at all, it is a business phone, a slick shiny Iphone-esq one but a business phone nonetheless. it could have been so good, its hardware is outpaces game consoles and the iphone for instance. If it wasnt crippled by winmo and the lack of full 3d and video acceleration it would be the shoulders above the rest. I feel let down by HTC and I am not going to buy one again until they can properly optimise there hardware like Apple have done with the Iphone, you have to give it to Apple, they have squeezed every ounce of juice out of that bady they can, you only need to look at the wealth of app. I would sell my HD tomorrow if the Iphone wasnt so locked down and had a bigger screen, iphone next gen here I come...

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I have had my HD for severl months now and it is always failed to impress me (aprt from the gorgeous screen) by far the best HTC I have had were the orbit and XDA exec, both good phones. My only problem with it is that it was hiped to buggery when it was released as a super amazing fast all singing all dancing media phone, it isnt at all, it is a business phone, a slick shiny Iphone-esq one but a business phone nonetheless. it could have been so good, its hardware is outpaces game consoles and the iphone for instance. If it wasnt crippled by winmo and the lack of full 3d and video acceleration it would be the shoulders above the rest. I feel let down by HTC and I am not going to buy one again until they can properly optimise there hardware like Apple have done with the Iphone, you have to give it to Apple, they have squeezed every ounce of juice out of that bady they can, you only need to look at the wealth of app. I would sell my HD tomorrow if the Iphone wasnt so locked down and had a bigger screen, iphone next gen here I come...
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stoolzo said:
..iphone next gen here I come...
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I will have a iPhone AND a HD
iPhone for playing HD for everything else (movie watching, eading, working, learning, sms-ing, phoning xD
The next iPhone should have at least WVGA resolution until then-HD RULEZ

The multitouch mess

There is confirmation from an unofficial site that multitouch might not be an hardware mess after all.
http://www.simbasics.co.uk/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-to-get-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/6304
post your opinions on whether you beleive this is true or not

X10 WLL NOT have multi-touch!

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There is confirmation from an unofficial site that multitouch might not be an hardware mess after all.
http://www.simbasics.co.uk/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-to-get-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/6304
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I can't belive a company as big as SE would produce a flagship phone and use a 3yr old touchscreen, I would have thought it has a Clearpad2000 or 3000 fitted to it and Multitouch can be enabled at a later date?
Theres keeping costs down and theres blatent stupidity.

If you think about it, multitouch isn't all that. People mostly want it for zoom-pinching, requiring 2 fingers, which is too difficult to do with just 1 hand. I stopped caring about Multitouch after I saw a youtube of X10 mini way of zooming using 1 finger. Just like how you add widget to the android 'desktop', you press the screen for 1 sec with 1 finger, then drag up and down to zoom in and out. Double tap is also possible, but I like that new way better

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If you think about it, multitouch isn't all that. People mostly want it for zoom-pinching, requiring 2 fingers, which is too difficult to do with just 1 hand. I stopped caring about Multitouch after I saw a youtube of X10 mini way of zooming using 1 finger. Just like how you add widget to the android 'desktop', you press the screen for 1 sec with 1 finger, then drag up and down to zoom in and out. Double tap is also possible, but I like that new way better
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this will be in xperia x10 also ??
i mean i can zoom with 1 finger and drag up & down ???
or will be only for mini x10 ??

Well the video was in X10 mini, right now X10 doesn't have that. But since X10 won't have multitouch, there's a good chance the X10 gets X10 mini way of zooming.
The video of X10 mini zooming is a fact, but hoping it to be available also on X10 via update is purely my personal expectation. So don't start rumors that X10 will definitely get that too lol.
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Ok, found the thread regarding that X10 mini zoom, including the youtube link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=661080

thanks shadowflare
really it is perfect and hope x10 will get this in its update

what about gaming though on apps? lack of multitouch any of concern for you guys on apps?

I need a new non-I phone.

So im looking on buying a x10 but im what you´ll call a technology challenged person..........so yeah questions:
Is the bootloader unlocked?(i have the htcHERO presently so custom roms are nice)
How bad is lack of multi-touch?
How is the screen´s responsiveness?
It probably will be harder to port other phone roms since this is manefactured by S.E.(assuming the bootloader is unlocked of course.)
i need a new phone so my options are (spain)
htcLEGEND but its not much different from the HERO so i really dont want it, the SamsungWave but i would chose android over bada if given the chance(would it be possible to port android to it seeing how the GalaxyS is so similar?) or the x10.
Also, no i cant buy the NexusOne from vodafone
Salutations.

Using the Xperia X10 as a phone, well its good besides the low headset volume. Other wise it is a good device. With the latest updates you'll get good battery life and performance. Emails, messaging, web surfing, media its all good. Listening to calls is kinda of an issue, well for me.
Multi touch is a concern if you LOVE pinch and zoom and if youll be doing serious gaming. Other wise it is not an issue. Get JustPictures it has one pinch zoom with is more practical.
Screen is good, but now its only at 65k, 16 millions is on the way.
Finally to be honest Iam not sure about the bootloader. Some say its hacked others say its not, but theres some cyanogen mod thread in the developments part of the forum. So something is coming up for sure.

1. Nope, not yet.
2. Bad if you play games, doesn't matter if you don't.
3. Good
4. When bootloader will be unlocked it will have custom ROMs. Maybe not from other phones but will have.

Thanks for the reply/s but what about the Samsungwave? I tried it today and the screen is amazing and the BadaOs seemed like a custom skin of Android ala SENSE, of course it dosent have android apps nor customization but I love the phone's specs if you could put android there it would be the greatest phone in terms of software/hardware/price but I'm sure this has been said.(I can't buy the galaxyS cuz its on Movistar these guys are real pricks)

Im really desperate right now gotta buy it in like 2 days max. What should i do?
The x10 has the bigger screen and android the wave tops it in everything but has the BADAos which besides having a retarded name is ugly.I dont know which to pick if i could put android in the wave i would buy it but its not clear if android can be ported to it.
Please help this post has over 200 viewers but only 2 comments.

You want the best phone today? Then choose Samsung Galaxy S...
The design matters to you? Then take the X10
Samsung Wave it's a no for me.. The screen is too small and there are not too many third-party apps available (for sure not as many as we have for Android).

i need one with a contract that isnt from movistar(i think its the equivalent to o2 in the uk) those bastards have the galaxy since july 1st, its the same thing they did with the iphone only they had it for like 2 years cuz there service sucks they need to buy exclusive rights so only they can sale it

Regarding Colour...
Hey!
Since X10 has 65K colours, after we get the 2.1/2.2 upgrade, the phone will have 16M colours?
So, just to confirm, the hardware (display screen) is capable to get 16M colours?
Right now, due to 1.6 OS, the OS limits the colours to 65K?

If you know what a bootloader is you are not technologically challenged .
I haven't played with a wave but considering your options i would go with the x10. Android is proven, it looks beautiful and custom roms are on the way. The only downside is no mt right now (if you play games).
Sent from my X10a using XDA App

You'll never get android on the Wave.. so go for the X10.. it really is a great bit of kit.

I dont really play games aside from some party games (drinking,dares) a friend lended me his x10 today to root and instal the setCPU app(knowing to do this is easy and does not require to much technology knowledge ) and i played a few hours with the x10 i really liked the design and the big screen although the responsivness seemd a bit off sometimes (i didnt get to play with it after i installed the latest firmware so maybe this changed)
also is there something preventing porting android to the Wave?(aside from hardwork)

I dont really play games aside from some party games (drinking,dares) a friend lended me his x10 today to root and instal the setCPU app(knowing to do this is easy and does not require to much technology knowledge ) and i played a few hours with the x10 i really liked the design and the big screen although the responsivness seemd a bit off sometimes (i didnt get to play with it after i installed the latest firmware so maybe this changed)
also is there something preventing porting android to the Wave?(aside from hardwork)
I dont know what happned but it double posted im very sorry.

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calexus1182 said:
How bad is lack of multi-touch?
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The lack of multi-touch is insane. What on earth were SE thinking. I need to have as many fingers on my phone as possible at any given moment. In fact I prefer to dial numbers by hitting every number at exactly the same time, and just hoping they end up in the right order.
no but seriously, there was a time before multi-touch, just like there was a time before touchscreens.
Personally my biggest gripe with the x10 is that it wasn't made by Apple, but thankfully I have the x10i, which still have the 'i' in it, so I can sleep at night...

that cracked me up.i just got the x10 furtunately mines also the x10i