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The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!
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1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...
Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
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The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD
The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.
two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.
edit: first pics are out nowhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/sony-ericsson-x2-spotted/
this is just my wishlist:
-much faster internal flash memory. installing a cab or launching an app takes same time as much as the 6-yearold HTC-magican
-Same form factor (sliding keybord)
-Screen should be at least 3.2” without increasing the total size of the phone. Seems doable if they optimize the unused space and relocate some of the buttons to the side. 3.2” should be the new 2.8. 3.2 is also much friendlier for hand use and easier on the eyes
- faster CPU. Samsung already using 624mhz and asus will use 800mhz very soon
- built in falsh should be at least 2 or 4 GB just for convenience+ the sd card.
- jogdial and maybe an extra button on the side (record, comm., ok…etc) to improve usability with 1 hand use
- keyboard needs a fifth raw with a slight increase in button travel distance.
- the panels is bloated and takes too much memory and slow. It needs to be optimized
- accelerometer. Too many developers are starting to make use of this
- very quick release date. Its not like we are asking them to do a totally new hardware. All these things seem like tweeks to the current model. No later than first half of 09
Over at esato, there are rumours that SE is already working on its new xperia which will come with wm7, have a 5mp cam and will be based on qualcomm snapdragon 8250. I wish that it is true.
faster CPU. Samsung already using 624mhz and asus will use 800mhz very soon
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I would'nt say that too loud, the Qualcomm chipset features the 528mhz ARM11 based CPU with a 274MHz ARM9 coprocessor, and dont forget to mention the ATI Imageon although it doesnt get much use on WM6.
The Samsung is a older generation Xscale processor. Compared to each other, there wouldn't be an noticable difference afaik, probably the Qualcomm is faster theoreticly speaking.
A OMAP3-like chipset would be awesome though. (Arm Cortex powered, about 2-3 times faster compared to the X1 chipset)
Would love to see that 1 Ghz qualcomm in a phone.
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Over at esato, there are rumours that SE is already working on its new xperia which will come with wm7, have a 5mp cam and will be based on qualcomm snapdragon 8250. I wish that it is true.
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That would indicate that we need to wayt till late 2009 early 2010 for the next Xperia device.
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That would indicate that we need to wayt till late 2009 early 2010 for the next Xperia device.
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Thought WM7 is delayed to the end of 2009 at best...
sonyE already said that xperia would not be tired to an os
and they might not use wm on the next x2
so maybe it will be symbian or android or something 3th
as they are not currently a part of the android group
Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.
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Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.
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if winmo 7 lives up to the hype then that would be nice
i would say some wishlist stuff for the x2 would be a bigger screen maybe between 3.2-3.8
better keyboard, more buttons, capacitive screen, multi touch, and accelerometer would be nice
but this is coming from somone that doesn't actually own one
I'm very very very happy with the current generation xperia phone. Only complaint really is how sony have handled (Or mishandled) the launch of the product.
It's almost like a call centre opening at 9, but calls only get answered from 11 o clock onwards - why launch something September 30th then start to sell it Nov 30th?
That aside, great screen, decent keyboard, blazingly fast (panels aside), good connectivity and a premium feel all make for a phone i'll be happy with for the next 18 months at least.
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Seems it's not going to be Symbian - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...-uiq-is-teh-sux-probably-doesnt-bode-well-fo/
WinMo or Android imo.
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Not UIQ but most likely Symbian Foundation
sorry to bring this from the dead but the people above are taking about many roumers. i was wondering if there is any news about about the x2 or whatever they end up calling it. are there any solid info that htc wont be building it (i care because of xda support)
sony is loosing money big time on ps3 and global crisis
sonyE is loosing money too
doubt we will see sonyE making too many revolutionary products
in awhile
time for them to feed the cash-cows
think it will be the end of the year or early next before they release the x2.
by then we will be in wm7 (if the x2 is a wm device)
prob be 1gz cpu
512 ram
8 - 12 mp camera
oled screen
(going by there prototype model phone that they showed at mobile show, would not expect it to have weaker specs)
one thing for sure about the next xperia... it will NOT be made by HTC
i would be very surprised if sony ditches the windows mobile platform for xperia:
-they already have many other symbiyan based toy phons.
-they need to differenciate their only buisness line phones from the c,p..etc series phones
- the recent realease of mxp,Xtract and r3a roms (despite their money situation ) *may* suggest that they are commited to winmo for a future phone
my guess, SE (like samsung) are waiting for official wm6.5 (q3) orr even wm7 before announcing anything. unlike HTC they probably cant afford to flood the market with a zillion diffent similar models
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one thing for sure about the next xperia... it will NOT be made by HTC
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that would be really bad to sony. as i cant imagine the x1 being a worthwhile device if it wasnt for the proper support of this site. none of the other site out there can be considered even "good enough"
its said they wont use htc again for future devices but till they make the x2 nobody knows. i remember sony not wanting to use the company that makes the ps3 pads rumble because of the lawsuit with the company but then they did after people complained about lack of rumble on the pad.
I think it all depends on how comfidant sonyE is on making there own wm phone from scratch.
I also hear sony may buy out the ericsson half of the business so that will change a lot of how things are done as a company.
found this post. hope its true
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Don't worry X2 is in development, I work at Sony Ericsson RTP NC, we have the X2 SP1 build. I can't say much about it but it looks 5x better than X1 design wise, and regarding the software its running WM6.5
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found this post. hope its true
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Just to give some reference of time SP1 is a prototype hardware revision. @ SE it goes, DPX.X -> SPX.X -> APX.X -> PQX.X ....so a X2 announcement shouldn't be too far off.
You heard it folks. The next BIG thing out there should be the N97. Let's make an early discussion about it and how it compares to the x1. I found this little comparison of the two:
http://www.phonegg.com/compare/24/Nokia-N97-vs-Sony-Ericsson-XPERIA-X1.html
Well, what can be observed from N97 interface - and it's almost identical to 5800,
it's sh**t. I would not even consider this one...
No windows ? (no cooking, no apps, no tweaking...)
No thanks
winmo > symbian ?
It looks like the x1 will win in the battery power detail too.
specs wise N97 is just awesome. but i nvr liked symbian...
Palm's new interface PRE is the next big thing
I do not agree with the first statemnet... N97 won't offer anything special over the current symbian devices other than possible high-resolution video recording capabilities. The real challenge would be Xperia Vs. Palm Pre!
I now own an iPhone 2G and an Xperia. When a better looking Google Phone hits the market, i'm going to go after that as well - or maybe if i find a cheaper G1 on sale then that. And in the future... Palm Pre of course!
Anyways... any Microsoft Devices comparisons with other devices should be put on hold. Microsoft is announcing 6.5... lets see what they offer in that - i don't care much about the beta or leaked images and videos out there, but am more waiting for the final version or Microsoft's official screenshots etc.
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N97 look good, but i think it cant top thee xperia...
Dumb comparation. Let's compare what we have now with what will be after 2 years )
Nokia are way behind competition regarding hi-tech devices. They recently launched their first touchscreen device, so, please, don't compare them.
Nokia is making devices for the masses, not for power-users. N97 will be a failure.
I wouldn't consider anything except WinMo or Linux. Symbian is sh-t.
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Dumb comparation. Let's compare what we have now with what will be after 2 years )
Nokia are way behind competition regarding hi-tech devices. They recently launched their first touchscreen device, so, please, don't compare them.
Nokia is making devices for the masses, not for power-users. N97 will be a failure.
I wouldn't consider anything except WinMo or Linux. Symbian is sh-t.
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Well I've had Nokia's for the past 4 years and know how it works, now that I purchased an X1a. Man I gotta tell you there's so many retrictions for Symbian users, WinMo is the clear winner over Symbian. Its week 2 for my 1st WinMo device and I still have a lot to learn, so many possibilities with WinMo and on other forums like HoFo, all they can say is WinMo sucks because its too complicatied. Everytime I see that I think to myself too complicated for their caveman brain(me make call, me no use WinMo).
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Well I've had Nokia's for the past 4 years and know how it works, now that I purchased an X1a. Man I gotta tell you there's so many retrictions for Symbian users, WinMo is the clear winner over Symbian. Its week 2 for my 1st WinMo device and I still have a lot to learn, so many possibilities with WinMo and on other forums like HoFo, all they can say is WinMo sucks because its too complicatied. Everytime I see that I think to myself too complicated for their caveman brain(me make call, me no use WinMo).
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I understand exactly what you mean, but I'm not as prepared as you are to jump on the bandwagon.
Yesterday, for example, I popped my SIM in an E71-2 just because I was going to have a fairly active schedule and simply did not want the bulkier Xperia bouncing around and clicking its buttons when it accidentally took itself off hibernation while in my pocket.
And comparing the Xperia and the E71 next to each other, I come away with the feeling that the Xperia asks for too much attention in its operations and management. I keep thinking, "fiddly" as an adjective to describe the combination of Xperia and Windows Mobile.
It might appear to a potential power user that Symbian is not as customisable as Windows Mobile...but IMHO that is because it doesn't need to be. It's already customised to what a power user [sic] would want.
Don't kill me.
It's just one old man's opinion.
I confess that it's entirely possible that I'm getting used to the Xperia, which is my first touch screen device. It's not my first Windows Mobile device, however, and I was delighted with how easy it was to modify the Symbian phone and find programmes for it when compared to my previous device, a Q9h Global on WinMo 6.1.
Having said all that, I understand why somebody would have posted a thread asking about a comparison of the N97 vs the Xperia, because I've found myself wondering exactly the same thing. I think that the majority of users who really have to use and rely on their devices really might be tempted by the N97 simply because it provides the power of a good, solid PDA design with the inherent easy usability of Symbian.
But even if you buy into the Symbian idea, you will notice things about the Xperia that might cause you to hang onto the Xperia instead of running for the N97 when it first shows up. It's pretty clear, for example, that the Xperia's screen will be superior to the N97's, despite the better colour depth of the N97 screen.
I think we're going to have to hold the N97 and see it next to our Xperias before we could say for a definite certainty that we'd prefer one to the other.
c'mon guys...there's nothing to compare obiously...
I had Symbian too. UIQ3 (SE) and S60(Nokia).
Symbian is optimized for a limited set of tasks. The one that the manufacturer think it's good for their users. Well, some users(like me) found that the manufacturer didn't optimised the device for them. I would like more. Now i have WinMo and i'm satisfied with it. I would like to try Linux either.
With WinMo you're limited by hardware only. There are a lot of software developers and a lot of possibilities due to the platform, that you can customize the way you want
i have had 3 symbian phones (2 uiq), 2 from sony and one from panasonic. i changed my w960i (uiq) for the x1. i have found the wm6.1 to be better than symbian but symbian is very good if u need a standard phone with some extra stuff (office/emails etc) but its very hard to add or change the phone to suit your needs. all that being said i think the n97 will be a very good phone but is based at a different area to the x1.
this is how i see it:
Normal phones - standard phones, nice camera
Android / Iphone / N97 - Style phones, looks nice, easy to use, extra apps
WM / Blackberry - Business phones, very adaptable(WM)
Well in my opinion why even bother to compare them as your trying to compare wm against symbian.. well n97 looks and is really great but the OS is making it less attractive as xperia has wm os.. well the os of n97 is restricted as there only will be firmware updates and no upgrades of the rom it self as wm 6.1 > wm 6.5 wm 7 ... symbian os 9.4 is restricted to it self... (i'm a symbian moderator at another forum but i do see this comparing as neutral and bringing forward the facts.. )
well you all probably by this post know where my vote goes..
Um.....am I the only one that is not impressed by the palm pre? I HONESTLY don't like it. Everyone is saying "omg its revolutionary" pffffff. Overhyped much?
HAHAHAHA that resolution is so laughable. once you go WVGA, you dont go back. ICK! especially the pixel grille showing! like a person with huge gaps between their teeth! you cant take your eyes off it! lol
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Well ive had a N96 symbian and one thing is for sure
the phone suite app works easyer and faster then that idiotic active sync bull that microsoft put on the market.
Meanwhile that symbian needs a certtificate to get any illegal or legal software on the phone is frustrating at least
But that nokia bought and now ownes symbyan and that its impossible to get any software on their phones without a certificate made me return to windows mobile
In short nokia is more stable better in their software and just makes exelent phones and frankly is more popular
(See it as mercedes... you can buy an audi with all the trimmings that even drives better but it still wont keep its value like a merc.)
sony's xperia once you have one and you take that awfull active sync for granted it will blow the nokia out of the water
AND.... Dont even get me started about crazy man i harvest sourcecodes jobs and let me decide what you can put on my Iphone that you bought for hundreds of dollars.
I currently have a nokia n95 and i hate it. Worst phone ive ever bought.
GPS is crap.
5mp camera = 5mp of blur.
The battery lasts 4 hours on standby before it dies.
Sound quality in phone calls is terrible.
I've had to reflash the firmware at least 4 times due to it bugging out.
The phone randomly switches itself off every now and then.
Build quality is rubbish the + volume button doesnt work and has caved in.
Can't wait to get my xperia this month
Please gimme your thoughts on this...
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-review-363.php
I don't want n97 to out do the x1...
Should be in off topic section this has nothing to do with XPERIA.
It will most likely outsell the xperia anyway because it's a nokia, any nokia phone sells like hot cakes.
rachet and clank? you into PS3 dude? (way off topic i know, but just had to ask )
bharat4ever said:
Please gimme your thoughts on this...
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-review-363.php
I don't want n97 to out do the x1...
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Worse screen, processor, memory available, and most of all...it's still using Symbian OS...HOW can it out do an X1?
Those are some good points, but...to answer your question:
Samsung Omnia HD defeats Xperia in terms of hardware specs.
Omnia HD has 3D accelerated processor that is about 600 Megahertz
and it has same amount of RAM as Xperia X1.
The Omnia HD is actually superior to Nokia N97 in every single way except for these 2:
1) Tilt screen
2) No multitouch
3) Speakers are only 80% as loud as the N97
But to be less biased, and truthful ... the symbian OS does not need as much processor power as Windows OS, and the speed of the devices are pretty much very similar. I believe that if N97 had the same processor POWER not speed, than the N97 would be a really really really fast device, like the iphone or as some reviewers have stated on youtube: like the Samsung Omnia HD. N97 is not super fast from what I've seen and heard from Noah @ phonedog.youtube but I know that Xperia X1 isn't actually super fast either.
But on another note, I am so tired of symbian reviewers praising the Symbian OS... sometimes I think reviewers and forumers praise the damn OS simply because of the N-Series line of phone:
1) Before 2009, N-Series were the first to have phones with the best fidelity in stereo speakers,
2) And they used to have the best camera quality as well
3) Without these two, the OS will stand out to be not much better than Windows Molebowl 6.1
For symbian, if you could just customize it it can compete with other OS. Imagine using a hardware that doesn't need a big processor and ram but can level out some big hardwares..
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For symbian, if you could just customize it it can compete with other OS. Imagine using a hardware that doesn't need a big processor and ram but can level out some big hardwares..
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It's an "IF" issue.....
However, I just read the Engadget review of N97,
and comparing it to the hype&hopes,
it's a FLOP....
IMO of course.
N97 is a failure.....
doministry said:
It's an "IF" issue.....
However, I just read the Engadget review of N97,
and comparing it to the hype&hopes,
it's a FLOP....
IMO of course.
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it is sort of a flop....i know a professionaly reviewer at youtube who specializes in Symbian phones and he isn't so hyped up on the N97 anymore. When he reviewed the Samsung Omnia HD, he really liked it except for the lack of multitouch and hardware keyboard.
it's a flop relative to the hype...
but I believe it will not flop in terms of sales.
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it is sort of a flop....i know a professionaly reviewer at youtube who specializes in Symbian phones and he isn't so hyped up on the N97 anymore. When he reviewed the Samsung Omnia HD, he really liked it except for the lack of multitouch and hardware keyboard.
it's a flop relative to the hype...
but I believe it will not flop in terms of sales.
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You may be right, because I always say,
sales is not a simple consequence of quality.
It's a Nokia - a brand with high trust.
orelsi said:
N97 is a failure.....
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lol you mean x1 is a failure!
frozenwaffles said:
lol you mean x1 is a failure!
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1st option - you are serious:
I don't. Please check the facts and come back to apologize for being wrong.
2nd option - you are trolling:
Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessfull...
The main problem of N97 is that it just came too late. There was so much hype about it. But nowadays, all his features are not so inovative at least. Camera, screen, cpu, desing ... we've all seen it already, even lots of phones have better display, better camera, faster cpu, better features. Even the customizable home screen, well you can do such things with Samsung's TouchWiz 2.0 for example. Maybe not exactly the same, but more or less. There isn't anything innovative in this phone. If it was on the market 6 months ago, or even more than 6, maybe it will be better, but I can't see it competing with Omnia HD for example, for multimedia, and with TP2 for business. Not that the phone is bad, it's a good phone, but it should be the best phone Nokia have, and it can hardly compete with any rival currently on the market (the top series phones).
I had the chance to play 2 hours with the N97 and have to say its a very nice phone.
Pros:
- Very good build quality. Best slider I've seen on a Nokia phone so far, as well as nice materials.
- Fast OS - faster than any other Symbian 60 phones out there. Not faster than a customized and clean X1 however.
- Nice camera.
- Very good browser rendering - but a little slower than opera 9.5.
Cons:
- The keyboard is quite nice - at least with the english layout. But the german layout is just an epic fail ... The punctuation keys were ridiculously replaced and only reachable with the function key.
- No flick scrolling in menus inside the OS (browser does have it!). Thats another point I couldn't live in every days use.
If you don't want to flash you phone every couple of days in the search of the perfect ROM, you will be pleased with the Symbian 60 OS on the N97. However, if you love customizing your entire OS, stick to WM. There are just much more possibilities in doing it, than on current Symbian versions.
My brother has compared his N95 to the N97 and I can tell you that the volume loudness is almost the same as the Xperia on the N97 and that N97 speakers aren't as good and loud as the N95.
So if you are in for the speakers, wait for the successor of the N97.
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rachet and clank? you into PS3 dude? (way off topic i know, but just had to ask )
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Yeah i love my ps3
If there's one thing I don't get with the N97 is why did they abandon the folding design of de E9300,9500,90 for a sliding phone. Especiall with a touch screen.
With the X1 your touchscreen is also part of the cover. That means it gets a lot a abuse. On top of that the phones witches on very (to) easy, often without the owner noticing and all kind of things can get messes up. With a folding design this just doesn't happen.
Why people have gone for sliding phones? It makes no sense to me. Bad design really.
A folding querty keyboard smartphone with a touch screen. Is this too much to ask for?
Well
I had the courtesy of playing with one last night as I'm on holiday in the middle east, I must say, the nice touch screen is refreshing. The angle of (push) to open the slide is a bit awkward and it snaps shut fairly hard but everything else in beautiful. The clarity of the screen, the feel of the keyboard, all compared to my Xperia are amazing, even the touch screen is hyper sensitive, almost as sensitive as the iPhones but without the glass feel. It's a bit bulkier than the Xperia, even with my hard case on, but it's less deep (with the hard case on), th let down for my is Symbian OS and its security, I have grown to like WinMo and the apps etc even if the interface isnt ideal when moving around and trying to do things in bright sunlight and without the sylus.
That being said, all I can say so far is the inital appearance and overall build quality is astonishingly brilliant, as you would expect from nokia, as for overall useability I can't say. (although I had little problem playing with it in a language not my own)
Lol
ratchetnclank said:
Yeah i love my ps3
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Woo, I just bought Ratchet&Clank PS3 for £2 the other week and finished it, was always a lover, and at that price...bargain. Love my PS3 to bits, when I left for my summer holidays abroad last week the only thing I dust covered and locked away was my PS3 (Sorry off-topic.)
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Woo, I just bought Ratchet&Clank PS3 for £2 the other week and finished it, was always a lover, and at that price...bargain. Love my PS3 to bits, when I left for my summer holidays abroad last week the only thing I dust covered and locked away was my PS3 (Sorry off-topic.)
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£2
Bargain of the century. Good job my man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5F0Ruzwos8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xMUEhFBJ8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1zvj5YDy4
The final installment of the epic battle: iPhone vs HTC Hero, iPhone OS vs Android, Apple vs Google ... Whose cuisine will reign supreme? Noah gives his opinion, anyway.
The real question is where is WINMO here and our beloved SE X1?
I think nobody doubt's that the UI of the X1 is not the best. If it would be that good, why would such a lot of people install Manila or Titanium. You cannot describe the Panel-thingy as real UI because it hasn't been pushed forward by SE. There are to be honest no useful new panels since months. The only thing SE does now is selling SPB MS3 e.g. in Korea as X1-UI.
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I think nobody doubt's that the UI of the X1 is not the best. If it would be that good, why would such a lot of people install Manila or Titanium. You cannot describe the Panel-thingy as real UI because it hasn't been pushed forward by SE. There are to be honest no useful new panels since months. The only thing SE does now is selling SPB MS3 e.g. in Korea as X1-UI.
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I'm in Korea. trust me it sucks. Slower than ever, full of bloatware and corporate advertisement, and no english options.
apple's ui on both iphone and computer is way above the line, no doubt about it, apple just need to add a hardware keyboard, full multitasking abilities with 3rd party apps without having to install another 3rd party app for this purpose, and a few more goodies to win me over, god knows i hate to use onscreen keyboards
Hero Sense UI looks sexy, makes u wonder if its really android
"iPhone 3GS vs HTC Hero" where does the x1 come into it
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apple's ui on both iphone and computer is way above the line, no doubt about it, apple just need to add a hardware keyboard, full multitasking abilities with 3rd party apps without having to install another 3rd party app for this purpose, and a few more goodies to win me over
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Haha, this "just" things is ****..ng alot man!
lol yea, the iphone is a good device dont get me wrong lol, but its just not good enough for me, imagine if i had it with my x1, i think i'd only use it for games...i dont think i would ever buy a device without a hardware keyboard, and to know that i cant minimize an app to use another, hmmm i doubt that too...
That's what I mean.
Fruit misses alot.
Yet another iPhone casualty
This is so frustrating that it's funny. I think the first TRUE iPhone competition (meaning: a great highly-refined user experience, online software/music downloads, smooth running, etc.), will come from Microsoft and WM7 with it's app store and Zune capability. Everything on the market up until then, I have a strong feeling, will come up short like the HTC Hero and Palm Pre does. This is not to say there won't be great phones, but, pound-for-pound, it'll take Microsoft and a hardware partner to come up with a TRUE iphone competitor.
It's amazing how the new superior features of the HTC Hero still fell flat in the face of the aging iPhone GUI. It was very obvious in the videos. The true iPhone competitor will have iTunes equivalent, AppStore competition, ultra-smooth GUI (don't give me BS about so-called upcoming software optimizations ). MS could one up Apple by including total voice control of the phone, XBox games, Zune features, fully integrated Bing voice search, etc.
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Yet another iPhone casualty
This is so frustrating that it's funny. I think the first TRUE iPhone competition (meaning: a great highly-refined user experience, online software/music downloads, smooth running, etc.), will come from Microsoft and WM7 with it's app store and Zune capability. Everything on the market up until then, I have a strong feeling, will come up short like the HTC Hero and Palm Pre does. This is not to say there won't be great phones, but, pound-for-pound, it'll take Microsoft and a hardware partner to come up with a TRUE iphone competitor.
It's amazing how the new superior features of the HTC Hero still fell flat in the face of the aging iPhone GUI. It was very obvious in the videos. The true iPhone competitor will have iTunes equivalent, AppStore competition, ultra-smooth GUI (don't give me BS about so-called upcoming software optimizations ). MS could one up Apple by including total voice control of the phone, XBox games, Zune features, fully integrated Bing voice search, etc.
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WM 7 could do that I think.
And future integration is a must too.
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WM 7 could do that I think.
And future integration is a must too.
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...and forget about compatibility with previous WM versions. They need to start completely fresh.
Uh.....
So, you want to compare a sub par feature phone with no real OS and a smartphone with a promising OS to a full mobile computer??? HAHAHAHAHA
Right.....
VelikiMeshtar said:
iPhone.... iPhone OS......... Apple.......
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WhyBe said:
...and forget about compatibility with previous WM versions. They need to start completely fresh.
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Not neccesarily but possibly.
^^^ a little file compatibility, and that should be it. I don't think MS should bog itself down with legacy code compatibility.
And since MS isn't making the hardware, they need to get really specific and strict on the variety of WM hardware being created. I think when software developers have to account for too many different form factors, the user experience gets watered down.
ebooksmart said:
I'm in Korea. trust me it sucks. Slower than ever, full of bloatware and corporate advertisement, and no english options.
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Delete the spbmobileshell.txt file in /Program Files/SPB Mobile Shell. After rebooting, the UI will be in English.
somehow i cant see anyone being accustom to using the 480x800 resolution will resort to the iphone(unless the resolution is increased in the next model), its true the iphone has millions of colors, but damn, i hate being able to see the pixels on a phone, i actually made a guy jealous yesterday after he saw the resolution on my SEX1...the iphone still has some catching up to do before i switch, but as i said before, the os has the best gui...everyone knows, apple scores big when it comes to their OS GUI (including the OS in general)
also note, those who claim the iphone is faster than the x1
it takes like a 1.5 -2 second delay to open stock apps on the iphone, on my x1 only a few 3rd party apps takes this long
now the 3g s is out, that should be compared to the x2, still i doubt the iphone 3g s can outrun the xperia
if SE had to open a store selling the x1 housing for at least $25 USD, i dont think i would be selling my x1, because its the best damn device out there right now despite the lack of games for the resolution
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somehow i cant see anyone being accustom to using the 480x800 resolution will resort to the iphone(unless the resolution is increased in the next model), its true the iphone has millions of colors, but damn, i hate being able to see the pixels on a phone, i actually made a guy jealous yesterday after he saw the resolution on my SEX1...the iphone still has some catching up to do before i switch, but as i said before, the os has the best gui...everyone knows, apple scores big when it comes to their OS GUI (including the OS in general)
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Yes, the WVGA screen is really impressive. I think iPhone is stuck at it's lower resolution because it uses capacitive touch technology. Capacitive doesn't allow the precision of the resistive technology of the X1. You'll notice that the Hero with it's capacitive screen is also lo-res.
No one can see the difference between 16M colors and 65K unless you're looking at gradients. Besides, the iPhone screen only has 153600 pixels...where the hell are you going to fit 16million colors?
also note, those who claim the iphone is faster than the x1
it takes like a 1.5 -2 second delay to open stock apps on the iphone, on my x1 only a few 3rd party apps takes this long
now the 3g s is out, that should be compared to the x2, still i doubt the iphone 3g s can outrun the xperia
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Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) AND GUI optimized OS. Maybe programs take the same amount of time to load as X1, but, they flow so much smoother. Even smooth apps on the X1 such as YouTube, PhoneEx, CNN panel still are not as quick and smooth as the iPhone.
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Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) and GUI optimized OS.
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He doesn't have to prove anything, because my X1 is faster than an iCrap as well.
Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) and GUI optimized OS.
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did that yesterday dude, windows calender on my x1 opens faster then the iphone ical
note that this guy does not have any 3rd party apps on his iphone
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He doesn't have to prove anything, because my X1 is faster than an iCrap as well.
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I'm sure there are tons of comparison videos on YouTube. Show me one that has the X1 being faster and more fluid than iPhone.
And I'm talking overall, not just one particular program's load time.