http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5F0Ruzwos8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1zvj5YDy4
The final installment of the epic battle: iPhone vs HTC Hero, iPhone OS vs Android, Apple vs Google ... Whose cuisine will reign supreme? Noah gives his opinion, anyway.
The real question is where is WINMO here and our beloved SE X1?
I think nobody doubt's that the UI of the X1 is not the best. If it would be that good, why would such a lot of people install Manila or Titanium. You cannot describe the Panel-thingy as real UI because it hasn't been pushed forward by SE. There are to be honest no useful new panels since months. The only thing SE does now is selling SPB MS3 e.g. in Korea as X1-UI.
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I think nobody doubt's that the UI of the X1 is not the best. If it would be that good, why would such a lot of people install Manila or Titanium. You cannot describe the Panel-thingy as real UI because it hasn't been pushed forward by SE. There are to be honest no useful new panels since months. The only thing SE does now is selling SPB MS3 e.g. in Korea as X1-UI.
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I'm in Korea. trust me it sucks. Slower than ever, full of bloatware and corporate advertisement, and no english options.
apple's ui on both iphone and computer is way above the line, no doubt about it, apple just need to add a hardware keyboard, full multitasking abilities with 3rd party apps without having to install another 3rd party app for this purpose, and a few more goodies to win me over, god knows i hate to use onscreen keyboards
Hero Sense UI looks sexy, makes u wonder if its really android
"iPhone 3GS vs HTC Hero" where does the x1 come into it
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apple's ui on both iphone and computer is way above the line, no doubt about it, apple just need to add a hardware keyboard, full multitasking abilities with 3rd party apps without having to install another 3rd party app for this purpose, and a few more goodies to win me over
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Haha, this "just" things is ****..ng alot man!
lol yea, the iphone is a good device dont get me wrong lol, but its just not good enough for me, imagine if i had it with my x1, i think i'd only use it for games...i dont think i would ever buy a device without a hardware keyboard, and to know that i cant minimize an app to use another, hmmm i doubt that too...
That's what I mean.
Fruit misses alot.
Yet another iPhone casualty
This is so frustrating that it's funny. I think the first TRUE iPhone competition (meaning: a great highly-refined user experience, online software/music downloads, smooth running, etc.), will come from Microsoft and WM7 with it's app store and Zune capability. Everything on the market up until then, I have a strong feeling, will come up short like the HTC Hero and Palm Pre does. This is not to say there won't be great phones, but, pound-for-pound, it'll take Microsoft and a hardware partner to come up with a TRUE iphone competitor.
It's amazing how the new superior features of the HTC Hero still fell flat in the face of the aging iPhone GUI. It was very obvious in the videos. The true iPhone competitor will have iTunes equivalent, AppStore competition, ultra-smooth GUI (don't give me BS about so-called upcoming software optimizations ). MS could one up Apple by including total voice control of the phone, XBox games, Zune features, fully integrated Bing voice search, etc.
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Yet another iPhone casualty
This is so frustrating that it's funny. I think the first TRUE iPhone competition (meaning: a great highly-refined user experience, online software/music downloads, smooth running, etc.), will come from Microsoft and WM7 with it's app store and Zune capability. Everything on the market up until then, I have a strong feeling, will come up short like the HTC Hero and Palm Pre does. This is not to say there won't be great phones, but, pound-for-pound, it'll take Microsoft and a hardware partner to come up with a TRUE iphone competitor.
It's amazing how the new superior features of the HTC Hero still fell flat in the face of the aging iPhone GUI. It was very obvious in the videos. The true iPhone competitor will have iTunes equivalent, AppStore competition, ultra-smooth GUI (don't give me BS about so-called upcoming software optimizations ). MS could one up Apple by including total voice control of the phone, XBox games, Zune features, fully integrated Bing voice search, etc.
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WM 7 could do that I think.
And future integration is a must too.
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WM 7 could do that I think.
And future integration is a must too.
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...and forget about compatibility with previous WM versions. They need to start completely fresh.
Uh.....
So, you want to compare a sub par feature phone with no real OS and a smartphone with a promising OS to a full mobile computer??? HAHAHAHAHA
Right.....
VelikiMeshtar said:
iPhone.... iPhone OS......... Apple.......
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WhyBe said:
...and forget about compatibility with previous WM versions. They need to start completely fresh.
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Not neccesarily but possibly.
^^^ a little file compatibility, and that should be it. I don't think MS should bog itself down with legacy code compatibility.
And since MS isn't making the hardware, they need to get really specific and strict on the variety of WM hardware being created. I think when software developers have to account for too many different form factors, the user experience gets watered down.
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I'm in Korea. trust me it sucks. Slower than ever, full of bloatware and corporate advertisement, and no english options.
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Delete the spbmobileshell.txt file in /Program Files/SPB Mobile Shell. After rebooting, the UI will be in English.
somehow i cant see anyone being accustom to using the 480x800 resolution will resort to the iphone(unless the resolution is increased in the next model), its true the iphone has millions of colors, but damn, i hate being able to see the pixels on a phone, i actually made a guy jealous yesterday after he saw the resolution on my SEX1...the iphone still has some catching up to do before i switch, but as i said before, the os has the best gui...everyone knows, apple scores big when it comes to their OS GUI (including the OS in general)
also note, those who claim the iphone is faster than the x1
it takes like a 1.5 -2 second delay to open stock apps on the iphone, on my x1 only a few 3rd party apps takes this long
now the 3g s is out, that should be compared to the x2, still i doubt the iphone 3g s can outrun the xperia
if SE had to open a store selling the x1 housing for at least $25 USD, i dont think i would be selling my x1, because its the best damn device out there right now despite the lack of games for the resolution
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somehow i cant see anyone being accustom to using the 480x800 resolution will resort to the iphone(unless the resolution is increased in the next model), its true the iphone has millions of colors, but damn, i hate being able to see the pixels on a phone, i actually made a guy jealous yesterday after he saw the resolution on my SEX1...the iphone still has some catching up to do before i switch, but as i said before, the os has the best gui...everyone knows, apple scores big when it comes to their OS GUI (including the OS in general)
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Yes, the WVGA screen is really impressive. I think iPhone is stuck at it's lower resolution because it uses capacitive touch technology. Capacitive doesn't allow the precision of the resistive technology of the X1. You'll notice that the Hero with it's capacitive screen is also lo-res.
No one can see the difference between 16M colors and 65K unless you're looking at gradients. Besides, the iPhone screen only has 153600 pixels...where the hell are you going to fit 16million colors?
also note, those who claim the iphone is faster than the x1
it takes like a 1.5 -2 second delay to open stock apps on the iphone, on my x1 only a few 3rd party apps takes this long
now the 3g s is out, that should be compared to the x2, still i doubt the iphone 3g s can outrun the xperia
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Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) AND GUI optimized OS. Maybe programs take the same amount of time to load as X1, but, they flow so much smoother. Even smooth apps on the X1 such as YouTube, PhoneEx, CNN panel still are not as quick and smooth as the iPhone.
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Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) and GUI optimized OS.
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He doesn't have to prove anything, because my X1 is faster than an iCrap as well.
Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) and GUI optimized OS.
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did that yesterday dude, windows calender on my x1 opens faster then the iphone ical
note that this guy does not have any 3rd party apps on his iphone
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He doesn't have to prove anything, because my X1 is faster than an iCrap as well.
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I'm sure there are tons of comparison videos on YouTube. Show me one that has the X1 being faster and more fluid than iPhone.
And I'm talking overall, not just one particular program's load time.
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Ok, we have all heard about OS 3.0.
Faster, multi - tasking, A2DP, other bluetooth improvements such as file transfer, MMS, video capture, onboard video editing software included, etc..
The new iPhone to be released end of June is also going to have a few hardware changes. Have heard that it is 16 to 32 gb, that there is a 5mp autofocus camera with a quality lens on back, and a 3mp on the front (compared to our VGA), thinner (of course, pretty much a guarantee), possible bigger and sharper screen, etc...
It seems to me as if Apple has really (unlike MS) done what a company should...analyze the competition (primarily Android but also webOS and RIM), and redesign and improve their product accordingly. They have gotten rid of pretty muh all of the stupid annoyances, made it faster and smaller, and given developers much more access to different system level things for their apps, along with about a million other changes and improvements that you can and probably have read about. I am also really thinking that they will have good integration with things such as facebook, gmail, and outlook.
I really think there will be no question and that it truly will be the #1 device really without any competition. The only competition I can see is maybe something such as the HTC Magic that is thinner, has a larger, higher res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5 (such as some of the HTC line up we have seen).
I just DESPERATELY hope that Apple isn't so stupid and naiive as to not put on MORE BUTTONS! Buttons are always better...always having to quit what you're doing and go back to the home screen to do ANYTHING would drive me insane...I love texting on my HD, then pulling up the phone and calling someone, sticking it on speaker, then going back to texting...that's not too much to ask I don't think.
So vote!
As for what I'm doing. I am jumping ship to the new iPhone. If I find it doesn't satisfy me, I will sell it and get the best Android handset I can find. Hopefully something like the Magic, but thinner, having a bigger, more high res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5. If no new non - keyboard Anroid handsets are out by that time...Magic it is! (if it is ever released)
im gonna have to see the official specs and the actual device before i decide anything,if what is mentioned is true then perhaps. but im looking more at the Palm Pre than the iPhone, we will see
Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.
And what will be the screen resolution of new iPhone?
Current iPhone is a no go for me - with such low screen resolution reading eBooks and surfing the internet is really, really bad.
Waiting eagerly for the new iPhone so definitely jumping ship...
I've got a Mac and syncing is nearly impossible. I've tried all sort of apps but none worked perfectly. I really need to sync address book and calendar and I've had enough of transferring mp3 files one by one, artwork not working etc etc.
the mp3 function is very important for me and the iPhone is perfect for that.
only problem I've got is I don't like the iPhone's current design. It's so 2 years ago. Hopefully they'll come up with a nice sleek design.
Why are Windows Mobile Apps falling behind IPhone ones?
One of the things that has always interest me when making such a decision is: What do developers think? How do they view developing for iPhone versus for winmo platform?
To gain insight into the thinking of developers, including some rather big names in winmo application development, you guys might want to read these extremely interesting threads:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ed...s-mobile-apps-falling-behind-iphone-ones.html
and
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6481405#post6481405
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Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.
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1. We all know MS is doing something about it. But we also all know that virtually all MS products suck. We also all know that MS is SLOOOW...therefore (like I said), by the time winmo 7 is released, it will already be behind. It will be released around 3rd quarter 2010...that's ridiculous. Another year from now Android will no longer be so new, and Apple will have put out something entirely new as they know ppl will be getting tired of iPhone by then. Not to mention what RIM and Nokia will be doing.
2. Where is the basis that Android sucks? It is faster than WM, that much is for sure. It is also more customizable. It is more modern. 3rd party app support does not make an OS good or bad....your argument that they suck cuz they don't have apps is no good to me. Sure it can make or break the success of the OS but...that's got nothing to do with the OS itself. Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android. It looks ancient, it runs ancient, and it's that simple. I think we can all agree on that last line there.
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers.
5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)
6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook.
7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice. MS sucks. Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5.
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No kidding. Couldn't agree more. Coming from a Touch HD and having looked at a lot of friends iPhones...their screens look terrible when reading text (altho they do have 16 million colors compared to our 65,000. Side note: Android also has 16 million colors).
Sadly though I have read that they plan not to change the resolution in order to keep all apps usable. I reallly hope not.
It's true, MS does not have any influence on the phone hardware.
However, an operating system's success is not about hardware potential or software potential or about a combination of both: it's about a tangible offer of potentially attractive software which can be easily obtained via a single entry point, i.e. an APP STORE. That's currently the BIGGEST drawback of the WM platform. I love the customization part of WM but it took me ages to get there. Many users won't take that road and therefore go for the iphone.
There's also a lock-in effect to this -> More users to an OS platform means that developing for that platform gets attractive, thus attracting developers and making the apps offer even more powerful. That in turn increases the chances of attracting new users to the platform, etc.
Honestly, considering all this, do you really a 50 megapixel camera or a nVidia Geforce 8800 GTX in your phone ?? What about all the already hidden potential in your phones which never gets explored because developers and users do not get a realistic chance to discover all of its limitations ?
I'm pretty sure that the new iPhone does not support multi-tasking, you're still stuck to doing one thing at a time. I believe Apples official unofficial stand on it is that they spent way too much time and money on their failed push notifications, and they're not going to allow multi-tasking. (Apple does not like to say it's wrong...and if they would release multi-tasking, I'm sure they'll call it something else, and put a patent on it for no reason).
You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all
Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
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Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
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I really think it is going to be more than "a bit better".
As you saw there are hundreds of features and fixes in the new OS, plus new hardware changes such has considerably better CPU, double the RAM, better camera, thinner etc..
iori said:
You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all
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iori,
There are lots of misconceptions about iPhone, so I don't blame you for having incomplete or wrong information.
iPhone is extremley customizable too, and you too can have multitasking once jailbroken. Therefore, you do not get what it is - you get what you want it to be. You don't get stucked with iTunes and online store. You get the benefit but you can also get things outside iTune and online store.
Whoever gives you the idea that the iPhone aplls are not useable does not know what he is talking about. When app store was first available, many low quality applications did get listed. Not anymore. Whether you're an advanced IT network adminstrator, sales executives, finance director, web site marketer, shipping agent, there are really nice applications for you. Trust me on this one. Don't just anyhow believe people who tells you that iPhone is just a toy and winmo is for corporate use. iPhone can be as corporate as you want it to be.
Cheers.
Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...
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Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...
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Yes, that's tue still. If you're in US, there is an application called G-Map, which on the surface looks quite decent, but nothing outside US yet. However, this is expected to change with Firmware 3.0. The reason why there was none in the past was because Apple did not allow any such application, thanks to their stupid policy. Respectable company like Tom Tom would of course refuse to release it into the "underground" cydia store. With the policy change by Apple, TomTom is expected there soon.
I'm all for having everything in one device too, and GPS has been a sore point for me. The other sore point is the fixed battery, but that I can accept because iPHone's battery life is not bad.
1, im sorry but your statment about everything MS produces are rubbish, is in fact rubbish, i cant comment what you do with your PC / Mobile but i rarely have system crashes, on my mobile i cant even remember the last time i was forced to do a hard reset, on my desktop im using one of the most stable OSs ive ever used and its BETA! I do agree it takes them time to produce the software and i do agree that in the past SOME of their projects are flakey but not all.
"2. Where is the basis that Android sucks?"
You miss the point of an OS here, if nothing good works on an OS NO ONE will use it, its that simple, If i cant use the programs i need then that OS is useless to me, it may have a place in the linux following groups who challenge everything MS and claim to be better than everything else but in the real world if i cant use what i want to use its useless. MS also has a massive software base including various distribution sites, some free some not, everything is cated for. Android looks no better than my WM device with Touch flo, its no quicker, i know this because i have both of them sitting in front of me.
Because something is more modern doesnt make it good, take the Pentium 4 over Pentium 3 as an example. but i agree android IS more customizable
"Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android"
Really? a LOT is a big statement that i bet you cant quantify with factual information and not hand back subjective reviews and "feelings" about things.
"It looks ancient,"
The core OS does yes, but tell me, is android not a Shell over a command line? i believe it is, So technically the core OS on android looks crap too but thats just nit picking!
"it runs ancient"
that makes no sence, only and new programs work on it fine, quick and responsive so what makes an OS ancient?
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
Ah yes i was refering to Linux and its intresting cult of followers but i retract that statement as it was below the belt.
"4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers."
nope, it isnt to me, graphics wise its slow compared to hardware excelerated devices, whats bizzar is that the phone can still pump out ok graphics on its CPU and still multi task, if qualcomm released graphics drivers for many of the 7xxx based chipsets i think you will find a near perfect device. but even without that it works....just!
"5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)"
I really cant comment, since WM2002 ive not had that on a multitude of different devices. and Windows doesnt do that either, perhaps the common denominator here is the user.
"6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook."
quantify please?
"7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice"
I too have used Linux, OSX and all the different versions of Windows and they have there places i do agree that in different markets different OS's suit different people. but tell me which one of those is the best for all markets all be it perhaps not as good as the other OS's designed for those markets?
"MS sucks. "
you lose all credibility with that statment attact a spacific product if you choose but to say Apple sucks or MS sucks is crazy and wrong.
"Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5."
You started off well there, but lost it at the end, PROVE to me that the new OS is better on the Iphone? without using speculation and subjective views an opinions.
I believe MS will be increasing the colour depth on the new devices but i doubt it will make any significate difference, except in its speed. what the WM based devices need is some new tech that uses resistive screens without the 70% (about that) loss of light, that in turn would increase battery life. Dont say capacitive screens, a stylus can be very useful, but definitely a combination of the two somehow.
there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
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there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
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Hi Lancemate,
How do we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with Tom Tom? I must have missed that information somewhere.
I'm too disappointed with Steve Jobs for not providing multitasking. So, looks like we still have to jailbreak to get that.
HD's resolution is very nice. No doubt about it. Although vast majority of the applications (phone, weather, music player for example) would not really miss this. Web surfing is in my mind a leading exception, as it would be nice to be able to clearly read the font without zooming in. It is for me a compromise, although an acceptable one for myself. I guess one has to take everything into account (multitouch vs resistive, number of applications available, speed, smoothness, stability, user interface, etc) and decide for oneself if such a compromise is worth it.
its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
lancemate said:
its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
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I'm aware Tom Tom and Navigon will be available, but as separate purchase rather than being shipped with the phone. Guess I misunderstood what you said. Thanks anyway.
time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
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time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
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AM in the same boat, first time got fed up with xperia problems so much , that i bought a iphone 3gs, although am still using both,,, i cant tell you ,,how much easier things are in 3gs with all the apps around.
vj
Well .. I'm quite disappointed too .. but iPhone just wont cut it for me. For example I require playback of non-converted videos in common formats (avi,mpg,flv). No smartphone can do that well at the moment.
I'm at the moment I'm staying with Xperia and hoping that Palm wont block 3rd part media player development ..
But sure, iPhone, especially the new one, looks great, and everything it can do it does better. Way better.
iPhone is for macfags.
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time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
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The panels interface was indeed the most useless thing ever. That's why I uninstalled it. Although you have had some problems with the X1, you'll encounter new ones with the new iPhone. Add to that, you'll be paying a bucketload of money for that new device. Why would you buy a MacBook? Windows mobile =/ Windows.
vijayvasa said:
AM in the same boat, first time got fed up with xperia problems so much , that i bought a iphone 3gs, although am still using both,,, i cant tell you ,,how much easier things are in 3gs with all the apps around.
vj
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Interesting that you're still using both. Apparently the iPhone lacks something that the X1 doesn't.
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Well .. I'm quite disappointed too .. but iPhone just wont cut it for me. For example I require playback of non-converted videos in common formats (avi,mpg,flv). No smartphone can do that well at the moment.
I'm at the moment I'm staying with Xperia and hoping that Palm wont block 3rd part media player development ..
But sure, iPhone, especially the new one, looks great, and everything it can do it does better. Way better.
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And another great example of how every device has it's problems. There is simply not one device that has it all.
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iPhone is for macfags.
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That is degenerating, not a proper way to approach posts like the above.
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All in all, personally I prefer the X1 (or any WVGA HTC WM phone) over the iPhone because it's customizable. I like being able to tinker around with it. I also prefer Microsoft's approach (although, I'm aware, they're just as imperfect as any other company) to operating systems.
Then again the iPhone does have much better graphical support, smoother UI etc.
If only Apple and Microsoft would merge
iPhone is for tech illiterate sheep that want to look trendy in front of their equally degenerated friends. Flashy, useless, unproductive toy with features that phones had in 1999............
let us know how you like your iphone.
i was looking and playing with one the other day. it was ok but i like the customization that you can do on the windows mobile. i like the big screen but i didnt like the touch (capacitance?). i like to use my fingernails a bit and it doesnt work on the iphone screen.
The major problem with the iPhone for me is the lack of a hardware keyboard. I can handle a normal phone keypad, prefer a qwerty keyboard but cannot type on a touchscreen. I don't care what some people say, for me, a touchscreen keyboard is not good enough.
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let us know how you like your iphone.
i was looking and playing with one the other day. it was ok but i like the customization that you can do on the windows mobile. i like the big screen but i didnt like the touch (capacitance?). i like to use my fingernails a bit and it doesnt work on the iphone screen.
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Its not just the xperia its self that puts it down - its the lack of a Microsoft Marketplace yet and Windows mobile 6.5 - xperia would be a lot better if Windows Mobile Market place was available and if the scrolling on it was iphone smooth other than that i like my xperia
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The major problem with the iPhone for me is the lack of a hardware keyboard. I can handle a normal phone keypad, prefer a qwerty keyboard but cannot type on a touchscreen. I don't care what some people say, for me, a touchscreen keyboard is not good enough.
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Same - i used ipod touch for typing for ages but after i used xperia keyboard i never want to use a touchscreen keyboard again!
orelsi said:
iPhone is for tech illiterate sheep that want to look trendy in front of their equally degenerated friends. Flashy, useless, unproductive toy with features that phones had in 1999............
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have You ever had an iphone in Your hand? obviously You are talking nonsense. these days You can do almost every thing on ipod that it's doable on winmo. okay... it is not so customizable, but it's interface is simple and just works. works like a charm. I am keeping xperia only untill september and after that I'll get iphone 3gs or something else, maybe n97 or omnia hd. dunno... it pisses me off that for instance I cannot view videos recorded with my wifes n95 8gb without reencoding. that is just f... silly this days.
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMx6aLGWVU I know, it's not perfect, but try to record something similiar with x1.
please, feel free to give me some reasons why it is worthy to stick with windows mobile except rom flashing and customization of visuals... multitasking is nice, true, but how often You just cannot live without it?? well I can...
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X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped
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Yeah dude! The iPhone of course isn't over hyped at all
You'll regret that soon
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why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
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Exactly what i want in xperia and the smoothness is the main reason i am drawn to the iphone - if the xperia is just as powerfull as the iphone 3G (if not more) why cant it be as smooth is it to do with the resistive touchscreen????
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have You ever had an iphone in Your hand? obviously You are talking nonsense. these days You can do almost every thing on ipod that it's doable on winmo. okay... it is not so customizable, but it's interface is simple and just works. works like a charm. I am keeping xperia only untill september and after that I'll get iphone 3gs or something else, maybe n97 or omnia hd. dunno... it pisses me off that for instance I cannot view videos recorded with my wifes n95 8gb without reencoding. that is just f... silly this days.
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMx6aLGWVU I know, it's not perfect, but try to record something similiar with x1.
please, feel free to give me some reasons why it is worthy to stick with windows mobile except rom flashing and customization of visuals... multitasking is nice, true, but how often You just cannot live without it?? well I can...
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u say that u cant view videos recorded with an n95 8gb on ur x1 without re-encoding it(i can btw), but how do u intend to do it using an iPhone?
if You are saying that You can view those videos recorded @ 640 x 480 highest quality on n95 8gb smoothly without massive stuttering, then You are lying. period. I never said that I want an iphone to watch my wifes videos, the other thing is that I never said that I hate xperia. as a matter of fact I still like it a lot, but I am bit tired with this all customize & tweak me for weeks stuff just to realise it is still slow.
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if You are saying that You can view those videos recorded @ 640 x 480 highest quality on n95 8gb smoothly without massive stuttering, then You are lying. period. I never said that I want an iphone to watch my wifes videos, the other thing is that I never said that I hate xperia. as a matter of fact I still like it a lot, but I am bit tired with this all customize & tweak me for weeks stuff just to realise it is still slow.
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I guess when you get something like an iPhone it works fine out of the box you dont need to tweak it to get it right which is which is what i dont get from windows mobile devices - why are they not already tweaked to offer the best performance?
simple example - why, oh why those simple tweaks like increasing of glyph and filesystem cache are not factory set for performance??
couldnt agree more with u on the disappointment part, sony ericsson produced one hell of a **** expensive phone.. sometimes im even using my old 1st gen iphone :s
Xperia broken.
Last Saturday my X1 broke. I was at a party and decided to jump over a car gate at an old summerhouse. Thing is, it wasn't steadied at all or fastened in the ground, so it swung with my body, resulting in me landing hard on it and it gave my Xperia a good blow. Now half the screen is dead and the slider part is crooked, and I don't have insurance on it so it'll cost me about 100 - 200 dollars to get it fixed.
That is why I'm getting an iPhone 3GS when it comes to Sweden. I like the seamless Mac experience that just works (and is really great looking) and, actually, the fact that I'm not gonna want to flash it every other day.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite the avid customizer of all things techy, and I love playing around with settings and tweaks just to feel like I'm improving my device. Now really. I understand why the people here at XDA like their devices - it's because of the new roms. BUT. It's simply retarded for the company making the phone not to include those optimisations OOTB. I understand that a lot of things is set slower by default to gain battery and ensure a safe phone, but let's face it. An iPhone provides a better experience for ALL customers, not only the ones who know how to tweak their device.
I'd suggest by simple human psychology patterns that people like tweaking their phones because it brings them a satisfactory sense of being special - knowing something not all the owners of a particular thing knows. Though, think about it. It would be kind of nice to be free of the constant urge to flash your phone, all you flashoholics? I sure know that I feel that way. Sort of like being free from a time consuming freedom or wanting a schedule when you have nothing but free time.
That's just my two cents, I won't miss my Xperia much. I'm rather glad it broke (although it was a blow to my economics, but hey).
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Last Saturday my X1 broke. I was at a party and decided to jump over a car gate at an old summerhouse. Thing is, it wasn't steadied at all or fastened in the ground, so it swung with my body, resulting in me landing hard on it and it gave my Xperia a good blow. Now half the screen is dead and the slider part is crooked, and I don't have insurance on it so it'll cost me about 100 - 200 dollars to get it fixed.
That is why I'm getting an iPhone 3GS when it comes to Sweden. I like the seamless Mac experience that just works (and is really great looking) and, actually, the fact that I'm not gonna want to flash it every other day.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite the avid customizer of all things techy, and I love playing around with settings and tweaks just to feel like I'm improving my device. Now really. I understand why the people here at XDA like their devices - it's because of the new roms. BUT. It's simply retarded for the company making the phone not to include those optimisations OOTB. I understand that a lot of things is set slower by default to gain battery and ensure a safe phone, but let's face it. An iPhone provides a better experience for ALL customers, not only the ones who know how to tweak their device.
I'd suggest by simple human psychology patterns that people like tweaking their phones because it brings them a satisfactory sense of being special - knowing something not all the owners of a particular thing knows. Though, think about it. It would be kind of nice to be free of the constant urge to flash your phone, all you flashoholics? I sure know that I feel that way. Sort of like being free from a time consuming freedom or wanting a schedule when you have nothing but free time.
That's just my two cents, I won't miss my Xperia much. I'm rather glad it broke (although it was a blow to my economics, but hey).
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Yea i started flashing my phone but then one day i realised that the stock ones are just as good really and more stable but your right about the tweaking and such it makes you feel like your phone is faster - Maybe when you start using your iphone you will start to miss and acknowledge the little things that make the xperia really good but we will see
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Yea i started flashing my phone but then one day i realised that the stock ones are just as good really and more stable but your right about the tweaking and such it makes you feel like your phone is faster - Maybe when you start using your iphone you will start to miss and acknowledge the little things that make the xperia really good but we will see
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I had smabergs's Touch X so I'll miss the nice sms interface, and of course the keyboard! Other than that, I'll make it through my switch fine
Seems that WinMo lack of good stuffs... You know that WinMo based devices are equipped with touch screen, but why. WHY even the same app, the iPhone one got really nice GUI than WinMo one?
Try to google some apps that available on both iPhone and WinMo. Even though they got same functionality, the iPhone one got nicer GUI than WinMo.
The WinMo one always got SUCK GUI... That's really not right...
and I hope the first answer isn't just: Buy iPhone instead of complaining. And if you call yourselves a bunch of good programmer then make a program with nice interface like iPhone's apps instead of ordinary conventional WinMo apps...
the only ewplanation dude is that WM phones are corporate oriented instead of the Iphone.
Apple also spend lot of money in advertising to let people know about the iphone and hire lots of sbcontractors in order to develop games and apps.... so that is why lots of programmer and designer are working with the Iphone...
But I think this is going to change in the next future as HTC finally understood that the need to spent money on advertising
Nice answer... thanks... ^^
But, you know moTweets right?
The super cheap Twitter client (only US$3.99) that Panoramic Software developed.
It has a very nice GUI like iPhone, got complete and perfectly-working feature as well.
And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
I asked them to make Facebook application for WinMo with nice GUI like moTweets and the functionality like Facebook for BlackBerry.
And here's their answer to my idea (we had conversation via Twitter) @PanoramicSoft: "We will definitely consider creating a Facebook app for WinMo. Thanks."
So, just tweet them and give them a vote.
They're surveying whether they need to develop this app or not.
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And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
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Yes there is. Microsoft developed one.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/facebook.mspx
Yup, I'm aware of that software. But is it a good one? It just a failure I think. Can't even load the NewsFeed properly, need manual refresh to get the current feed. What I mean is: the one that got feature like BlackBerry's Facebok program and nice iPhone-like GUI.
And forgot to tell you. Do you notice that Microsoft's Facebook app just stuck at 1.0.0.7p with no future development?
Me, personally won't count it a program, its a complete failure and crap that Microsoft released to fulfill user's demand for Facebook app. Am I wrong? ^^
Cheers... ^^
Hy,
i think that apple has a brilliant marketing strategie for iphone. But not more!!!
No, you're wrong. We, as a bunch of good developer, surely can make programs like iPhone one. isn't the GUI just a drawings after all? If we can skin our ordinary apps into something eyecatching like iPhone's app, then why not?
You know the fact: Blackberry got nice working Facebook app, iPhone also got one. What about our so called legendary OS WinMo? The oldest even before iPhone. Not even single decent Facebook app!!!
Am I wrong?
If you count the Microsoft's Facebook app as the good one, then I guess it can't be helped. But I'm really not satisfied with that not-working program.
Some men see things as they are and say why - I dream things that never were and say why not.
Since the first reply was not just go get an Iphone, this reply should be good enough. Just get an Iphone then
Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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that's android, not WM
I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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Agreed! I think so too!
This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
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Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
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But now, it's used as a standard PDA-Phone instead of businessman.
And most of my friend use WinMo PDAs like TP2, but they only use it for game, facebook, and stuffs.
About hardware, the iPhone's hardware isn't better than today's PDA. Well, the big issue maybe the VGA driver. Today's WinMo isn't equipped with decent VGA drivers. But, blame on the PDA's maker for it.
And about game, I totally agree with you. Stop making those card and tetris game. That's why WinMo isn't well developed. Developers just need to start making those 3D games like -again- iPhone's. There's no better games than iPhone's.
We got far more superior hardware, but why? Why ppl never utilize it? They only make those card and tetris and puzzle game. 2D ugly boring game.
And one question: Can the devs just make a new app with futuristic GUI? Again: Panoramic's moTweets got nice GUI. iPhone like GUI indeed.
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I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
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About screen, I guess you're right. But what I'm talking about isn't the screen size. It's about make those button image looks futuristic and more eye catching. It's about art and graphic design right?
And not to speak bad about MS. I simply lost faith in MS. MS' simple program, their Facebook program for example, can you count it as a good program?
Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Yes, its the ICON and buttons and sort of that things actually needed in WinMo's apps.
You see that we got far more superior hardware than iPhone. But why wasting that resource?
As developers, we can make something useful (not like a bunch of useless crap in iPhone) but in such an artistic way. Just replace those old button with glossy button and more futuristic shape. Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
Another example: Palringo messaging got nice GUI as well. So y'all know I'm not promoting moTweets.
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I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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Yup, I'm totally agree with you also.
This all WinMo's apps are great programs but with crap GUI, in fact this nowadays WinMo's app GUI is like WinMo 2003 app GUI.
And you got my point.
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with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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How slow, even Microsoft don't have any good intention to upgrade such a small program like their Facebook program. And I really laugh about WinMo 7. More bugs will come while the old bugs still there.
The WinMo 7 will got nice GUI indeed, but we're talking about the apps. Take the SMS app for example. It just like the oooolllllldddd WinMo's SMS GUI. Look at iPhone's one. Even though we got threading SMS as well but the INTERFACE is really ugly.
Am I wrong?
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Yes, that's what I'm talking about. You get my idea. I'm comparing the apps and the GUI especialy.
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The question is: Is it really hard to make a good buttons and icons and you know; just to mention a few of it: some nice messaging box, glossy and round-edged button, transparent icon, remove the left-right and up-down old navigation bar that used for scrolling and replace it with kinetic-scrolling, etc etc..
Do you think the HTC HD" will be the first iPhone killer?
Think its a different beast - but yes for me it does what I need to do better than the Iphone. Iphone is good for toys but not for business and multimedia
No, they're targeting different markets. Windows Mobile is for technology geeks only; the iPhone is aimed at normal people. I think some of the coming-soon high-end Android devices might be a better match for the iPhone - things like the Motorola Droid, Acer Liquid and (perhaps especially) the HTC Dragon.
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Do you think the HTC HD" will be the first iPhone killer?
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this is very personal, at least to me, from the start, iPhone is just not for me, it is kinda gadget to me more than a proper phone and it has apps restriction for me but HTC with WM gives me everything I need. HTC Touch HD has already been iPhone killer to me. I know I'm giving comment too personally, but here are my preferences that why iPhone never been too good for me:
1: iPhone can't switch battery, very often it will run out of battery in the middle of something really busy
2. less display resolution and smaller even though the display look stunning
3. doesn't have Garmin and no support for the best map (Garmin format) in my country
4. I prefer expandable memory cards
5. front camera even though HD2 doesn't have one too, what a huge disappointment, but not a deal breaker to me
6. HTC has great support and great fun with many cooked roms to play here, what about iphone?
7. smaller screen with iphone which make me find it difficult with lot of errors when entering texts as multi touch require finger flesh instead of nails pin- pointing with resistive screen. Though multi touch feels real awesome and ultra responsive. Now the HD2 is with multitouch too and with bigger screen!
8. I prefer WM OS as it supports more apps and has lots more settings to play with
good point
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this is very personal, at least to me, from the start, iPhone is just not for me, it is kinda gadget to me more than a proper phone and it has apps restriction for me but HTC with WM gives me everything I need. HTC Touch HD has already been iPhone killer to me. I know I'm giving comment too personally, but here are my preferences that why iPhone never been too good for me:
1: iPhone can't switch battery, very often it will run out of battery in the middle of something really busy
2. less display resolution and smaller even though the display look stunning
3. doesn't have Garmin and no support for the best map (Garmin format) in my country
4. I prefer expandable memory cards
5. front camera even though HD2 doesn't have one too, what a huge disappointment, but not a deal breaker to me
6. HTC has great support and great fun with many cooked roms to play here, what about iphone?
7. smaller screen with iphone which make me find it difficult with lot of errors when entering texts as multi touch require finger flesh instead of nails pin- pointing with resistive screen. Though multi touch feels real awesome and ultra responsive. Now the HD2 is with multitouch too and with bigger screen!
8. I prefer WM OS as it supports more apps and has lots more settings to play with
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I feel pretty much the same way indeed...
I hope not. Would not like to have anything that resembled the iPhone.
Yes, when the Leo comes out the iPhone will be killed, and will die.
niknik76 said:
Yes, when the Leo comes out the iPhone will be killed, and will die.
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^^^ What he said.
As good as I think the HTC Leo is, it's not going to kill the iPhone (I've preordered a Leo btw).
Still a long way to go .... just ask the average joe ...and I think 7 out of 10 would have never heard of HTC, let alone HTC HD2 (well...it's like this in Australia at least).
why does the iphone need to die anyway? Completely different market and significant difference in usability.
iphone, lots of downloadable apps for just about anything, viewable screen in sunlight, locked into mother apple. No multitasking or customization (unless jail broke).....oh, and did I mention you get what apple says you get?
Leo (or any Winmo smartphone) Strong Windows base, tons of flexibility (esp thanks to xda), tons of apps, many free/donationware (esp thanks to xda), hugo-montenagro screen, (hopefully) viewable in sunlight, multitasking galore (esp with 320MB RAM)....and did I mention the excellent support here at xda?
iphone will not be going away soon..and who gives a crap?
HTC HD2 reviewed, “… makes Apple phone suddenly look very old.”
related article: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=9399
For goodness sake! Not all this 'IPhone killer' nonsense again!
Every time a new phone comes out (HTC Touch, Touch HD, HD2, Hero, whatever!) some people think that the existence of the new phone will 'kill' the iPhone... ridiculous!
They will COMPETE with each other, not kill each other.
Some people may get an HD2 over an Iphone due to bigger high-res screen, or some other feature they appreciate, others will prefer the Iphone because they like stupid games or something.
The TP2 is serious competition for the Iphone, though the devices do appeal to differing markets, with significant overlap. The iPhone will probably still be a better toy, and the TP2 a better productivity device.
Leo will kill all iPhones. The iPhone as a phone will DIE. This is final.
Guys, what you mean by iphone killer?
- if you mean "much better performance&****" - then yes is an iPhone killer. Even HTC HD is an iPhone killer. You must be blind not to see that or fanatic (brainless). Of course other phones were HD Killer and so on.
- if you mean "after HD2 no one will buy an iPhone" - then is wrong. iPhone have a different target - people who what to be fancy and who were not able to have a personal point of view - they think only what the masses think.
In my country we saying "if fox does not reach the apple it says it is sour".
Stay for a second and think - your opinion must represent your desire or must represent manufactor desire? In first case you have brain, in second case you have brain only if you gain somthening from manufactor, otherwise your are stupid/fanatic.
Think about that!
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Yes, when the Leo comes out the iPhone will be killed, and will die.
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Pantaloonie said:
^^^ What he said.
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I assumed that was sarcasm...
DavidMc0 said:
For goodness sake! Not all this 'IPhone killer' nonsense again!
Every time a new phone comes out (HTC Touch, Touch HD, HD2, Hero, whatever!) some people think that the existence of the new phone will 'kill' the iPhone... ridiculous!
They will COMPETE with each other, not kill each other.
Some people may get an HD2 over an Iphone due to bigger high-res screen, or some other feature they appreciate, others will prefer the Iphone because they like stupid games or something.
The TP2 is serious competition for the Iphone, though the devices do appeal to differing markets, with significant overlap. The iPhone will probably still be a better toy, and the TP2 a better productivity device.
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Sorry, but someone's got to say something here and it might as wek be me. You're never going to be a proper fanboy for either side if you insist on using all that logic and common sense nonsense.
Ignore the facts, put on the blinkers, drink the kool-aid, and then you're going to fail as a clueless fanboy. Pick a side, spout as much biased tripe as you can, and join in the fun!
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Some people may get an HD2 over an Iphone due to bigger high-res screen, or some other feature they appreciate, others will prefer the Iphone because they like stupid games or something.
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I don't fully agree with that because I know quite a lot of WinMo users that have moved to iPhone because of the "poor & complicated" interface.
Multitouch capacitive sceen, and TF3D last generation, power of the snapdragon, ability to read divx video without re-encoding might bring them back on track to WinMo.
It is true that there is at leat one PDA that match every user needs, but there are some that could match alomost all.
Leo surely is one of them,...
ffs, why does anyone even care????????
if you like the iphone..buy it!!
if you like a WM phone..buy one!!
why spend hours debating which one will 'kill' the other one. seriously, who gives a crap!!
some people will ALWAYS say that the iphone is the best...some people will ALWAYS say that WM rocks....those people are basing their decisions on what they want from the phone....it's an emotive issue, and a complete waste of time and effort.
Finally
After all that have been said in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=580981
I think we have an answer don't you think?
I say hell no, but it is pretty close. If you want to go WM for some reason, then any WM device is iPhone killer. But this WM device is first which has similar wow-effect as iPhone, when you take it in your hands.
hello
im looking to buy a new phone in about a month and im deciding between the nexus one and the iphone. i currently have a HTC Touch Diamond and i have suffered quite a bit with this phone and im doubting the quality of the products that htc makes. i have read all the reviews and the specs and im still finding it hard to choose so i want to find out from u guys here if it is actually the perfect phone or it comes with glitches, and the occasional freezing.
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hello
im looking to buy a new phone in about a month and im deciding between the nexus one and the iphone. i currently have a HTC Touch Diamond and i have suffered quite a bit with this phone and im doubting the quality of the products that htc makes. i have read all the reviews and the specs and im still finding it hard to choose so i want to find out from u guys here if it is actually the perfect phone or it comes with glitches, and the occasional freezing.
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If you do want a phone with 3G glitches, faulty software and occasional freezes / reboots then be sure to buy the iPhone. Ask my wife about her wonderful iPhone
Seriously though, just about every modern phone has some flaws and requires a restart every now and again ... its progress
iPhone simple and capable with loads of apps and support, sort of a "Tomy - My First Phone"
Android edgy and capable with loads of apps but not as many as iphone (most companies will release to the iPhone first due to the huge base of customers who will buy).
If you are happy having a simple interface with no options of customisation and are happy never being able to do anything your own way or take shortcuts then the iPhone is for you.
If you are happy to do a bit of tinkering and customise your phone then the Android is for you.
Both are amazing phones and look good and are easy to use. Specs wise Nexus one wins hands down.
If you love google and use Gmail, contacts, etc. And if you dont like iTunes and stuff then Nexus One is definetly the way to go.
But if you like all the crazy apps thats out on the iphone seems quite good for that, however Nexus One has got some really good apps aswell! A lot of people say iPhone is still easier to use. But I would say nexus one is just as easy and highly customizable which is cool.
All comes down to personal preference...
iPhone is obviously more stable seeing as OS 4 is going to come out whereas Android is 2.1, iPhone has less bugs and stuff im guessing..But Nexus one should be no trouble as your everyday phone and internet device!
I always fund iPhone really boring, with out jailbreak there isn't much in it.
Lots of apps and what else? I never had able to figur it out . If you coming from windos mobile i think you should get Nexus. You would love it.
I've been using WM since 1997 (PPC).
I've got my Nexus One yeasterday its my first Android device, i like it.
as far i saw iphone is mostly problem free and i want a phone with causes a little problems a possible but i have been with xda for more than 1 year and have gotten into the habit of customising so a phone with a little change in interface would be nice. the quality of the apps u get in the iphone is extremely good, u always get a nice colour full, smooth and simple interface. i personaly dont know about android apps but my experience of windows mobile apps is that they are ****. they come with 1980 style buttons and some times they don't even fit on ur screen cos thy were build with the developers looking at a different phone and the apps are expensive. so you see i don't want to go through that again.
I'm not sure there is anything such as the perfect phone since everyone has some different interpretation of what that is. I just received my Nexus One yesterday and I'm switching from the iphone, although I have extensive experience with winmo, palm and symbian. A few observations:
Build Quality: this is the best built phone I've seen in a long time. It has the exceptionally solid feel of the iphone, but still gives you the removable battery feature and expandable storage. In addition, it just feels great in the hand, nicely rounded with great build materials. Just overall top notch build and feel.
Software: I spent yesterday evening looking at the applications on my iphone and trying to find comparable ones on Android. I was successful for about 90% of what I use. The applications may look a little different, but the functionality is essentially the same and I haven't had any issues so far. There are a couple that I couldn't yet replace like the kindle app, cnn and the NY times, but I expect they'll be there eventually. A few others like ewallet have equivalent products on android such as splashid.
Useability: The iphone is dead simply which is both a strength and a weakness. I've always found it to be a little too easy and the lack of customization was frustrating as well as the lack of multitasking. I've always found the multitasking issue rather humorous since so much of the tech industry used to point this out as a weakness in the palm os and now the iphone has the same weakness years later and it's not an issue for the writers...go figure. The N1 is not quite as simple as the iphone and you'll probably spend a little more time getting used to it and setup the way you want, but you'll end up with a phone that meets your personal needs as opposed to someone else's view of your needs.
Overall I'm finding it to be a top notch phone that I expect will only get better as the OS continues to evolve. Google seems to be on a pretty regular update cycle and it continues to evolve. As the os attracts more users the applications will continue to grow as well.
One final word. I wouldn't equate the winmo htc experience with what you'll have with an android htc device. Winmo definitely contributes to issues with some of the htc phones. This device is in a whole different league.
here is few questions if you guys could answer it would be really helpful
does it freeze or have problems when running multiple apps?
do the apps have nice interface and are thy smooth?
does it lag alot?
and i herd mutitouch is coming to the google phone does anyone know when?
does it freeze or have problems when running multiple apps? - Nope for me its been pretty smooth, no stuttering at all, Apps open very quickly.
do the apps have nice interface and are thy smooth? - yes most do, there are one or two that do not scale well to the larger screen, these will be fixed with updates, just waiting on the devs to resolve.
does it lag alot? - no lag for me what so ever.
and i herd mutitouch is coming to the google phone does anyone know when?
- no one knows, its been demo'd on the European version of the Nexus One. However you can have multitouch browsing using either a custom ROM (soon to be released) or the Dolphin Browser (free download from the market place).
I know exactly what you're going through with your WinMo and HTC. I had multiple problems with the two just barely working at all. Android is so different but so much easier to find things in. I've played with iPhones and yeah they're fun for a bit but I have a friend with one that has had it for a couple months and is already starting to get bored with it. He says he's jealous of my Android and how much more I can do with it. It always looks different each time he looks at it.
I can tell youre trying to compare the Nexus One to your diamond because Ive used that phone and know what youre talking about with the lag and freezing and theres simply no comparison between the N1 and diamond, if you do get it you will be simply amazed.
I own a nexus, g1, iPhone 2g, and a touch pro 2. I can easily say in terms of speed, battery life, and overall enjoyment, the nexus is easily king. The keyboard is on par with the iPhone as far as usibility, which I could never say about the g1's onscreen. You can still sync your iTunes library with the correct software, it's the best mobile web browsing experiance I've had to date.
Simply put, nexus one ftw!
i think il wait to see how the muti touch on the nexus one turns out. thanks for all ur help!!!
bigger screen, higher resolution, brighter, prettier, easier to unlock and root... none of this cat and mouse crap with apple and the dev team...
I'm sure there are other things to compare..
oh yeah!!! the N! has bluetooth stereo stream and the iphone doesnt...
but, apple is gonna announce a new iphone this feb... so... up to you if you want to wait or not.
The N1 has a 1 Ghz proc, vs iPhone's 600 Mhz,
an 800x480 screen vs iphone's 480x320 (There are as many pixels shoved in the short side of the N1's screen as there are on the entire tall side of the iphone's screen, it's been widely cited as the best looking screen right now, with bright whites and colors and blacks like velvet. It can play full 720p HD video in this resolution.),
512 mb RAM vs. the iPhone's 256 mb, though of course you probably don't need it on the iPhone as you can't even run more than one app at a time (clearly, the iPhone is not a computer)
However, the nexus one doesn't have as many apps. The apps it does have are incredible, though, and you can emulate SNES, download torrents, Remote-desktop to your PC from anywhere with 3G/wifi, run a wireless tether without much trouble. Generally, the kind of stuff Apple would never let you get away with. While Apple has some cooler games, their utilities simply don't stack up.
I know EAXCTLY what you're talking about in terms of HTC and WinMo. I just upgraded from the HTC Touch to the Nexus One. There simply is no comparison, Android is an entirely different animal than WinMo.
As for iPhone vs the N1, the N1 beats it by far in terms of raw specs. In terms of OS vs OS the difference is that with the iPhone you're forced to play in Apple's little sandbox. Highly regulated app store, no "real" customization to speak of. This has the benefit of being an extremely stable and polished OS but if you're used to making things "your own" like I am, it's just not fun.
This is the first Android phone I've had, been using it for almost a week now and I will never look back. I LOVE it. Some of the apps aren't quite as good as they are on the iPhone in no small part due to the nature of Android itself. Developers have to worry about supporting multiple phone specifications and networks. It's very comparable to the Mac vs PC argument. PCs require a bit more maintenance and attention while giving you TONS of options while Macs give you stability and TONS of polish with a bit more limited options.
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You mentioned multi-touch, the phone fully supports it at the hardware level. The only "problem" is that it's not supported natively in Google's own apps (everyone assumes this has to do with some legal concern of Google's). Developers can use the API in their apps to fully take advantage of this support and many already do. I use the Dolphin Browser over the one that comes pre-loaded and the multi-touch in it is FANTASTIC. Best part is that unlike the iPhone it auto re-scales things for you to keep them readable.
I hoping to get multi touch as soon as N1 Euro out via custom roms.
Nexus could be superior all around if our apps would mature a bit more. Yes we're growing in apps, but they lack polish. You can look at many of our apps and go "Yeah thats clearly made by an engineer". They work great, but one reason the IPhone sells is because it is pure sexy in just about all forms.
The iPhone and the Nexus One are two different beasts, multi touch is something you dont use that often as you think when you are on the iPhone. When I had the iPhone(1st gen) multi touch was on, the kb, the browser, the photo viewer, and later on gimmicky apps that just came out.
I think of the iPhone more like a PS3 whereas android phones are more like a computer
iphone or android?
its how tech savy you are, ad how much you want to learn ot use something.
the iphone is simple. you hit a button, it responds instantely and it does exactly what it said it was going to do.
andriod is more advanced. alot more ways to customize it but it comes with a learning curve. this curve isnt as bad as the winmo one but it does exsist.
so it comes down to power vs simplicity. id go for power