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Hi im wondering if there are any iphone style gimicky apps available, because im unsure on which new phone i should choose, i have narrowed it down to the iphone, the G1 and the X1. If there are any fun apps availble i would moer than likley purchase the X1. I would really like to see something like this http://www.khmerlife.com/Forum/Thread.aspx?ThreadID=14480&Page=1#PostID377774 ,i have tried this game and is very fun.
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Don't know of something like this for WM, but there are other (At times NOT FREE) apps that are quite hot. I can use my phone as WLAN Router for instance. If it gets stolen, I can track it with builtin GPS. So there you have your game, but this time you are the Zombie Leave your phone on the ground and hunt down the first who is unlucky enoguh to steal it

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Leave your phone on the ground and hunt down the first who is unlucky enoguh to steal it
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Haha, great idea
But for sure, I would also L O V E more Iphone like apps. I can't understand why all of the apps on Iphone are so much more good looking, and why there are a lot more cool (but unnecesary in most cases ) apps for it? I know the audience is a lot bigger and that there is more money to earn, but still

If you just want it to imitate the iPhone, there's the iPhone style panel, here:
ftp://spikedsoftware.co.uk/XperiaX1/PANELS/X1_Panel_Iphone.CAB
It gives you big rounded square buttons that look like the ones on the iPhone, but beware. Many of them dont work, and upon closer inspection, it doesnt look at much like the iphone. Also, it only displays properly in portrait mode. I wouldnt recommend this one, bit if that's what you want, give it a try.
I've also heard of an iphone imitator called iFone or something like that for Windows mobile. Not sure if it works on Xperia since I havent tried it, but if it does, I'm willing to bet it's better than that other thing.

bobbanswe said:
But for sure, I would also L O V E more Iphone like apps. I can't understand why all of the apps on Iphone are so much more good looking, and why there are a lot more cool (but unnecesary in most cases ) apps for it? I know the audience is a lot bigger and that there is more money to earn, but still
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Looking good but not necessary, as you said it. In WM you can set your wallpaper. That's looking good. Applications are mostly necessary. One point to get an X1: You could install a 3D navigation software with voice directions (If you pay the 100 bucks or simply crack it, which is what I did). Does that beat an iPhone with freaking Google Maps?!?

Personally I bought this phone because its nothing like the Iphone. I look at Iphone vs. X1 the same way as mac vs. pc, a mac is nice and cute and you can get all kinds of software for it, but you can never really tweak it internally, whereas with a pc you can replace its guts choose your own case, and generally have a lot more tweakability (tho this also occasionally leads to slightly less stability as there are more variables to consider).
With the Iphone you get a smooth interface and lots of cutsey apps lots of which cost money all are regulated and aquired thru apple, whereas with the X1 you have this amazing site where you can find everything from ROM's, to icons, to apps and panels, to reg and other tweaks to make it act exactly the way that suits you best. Granted in the mod process you may come across some bouts of instability, but its the price we pay for making something truly personal.
Also how many people did you see talking on an Iphone today? an X1? I like having a phone that I don't see in everyone else's hands, makes me feel special. Just my 2 cents.

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Looking good but not necessary, as you said it. In WM you can set your wallpaper. That's looking good. Applications are mostly necessary. One point to get an X1: You could install a 3D navigation software with voice directions (If you pay the 100 bucks or simply crack it, which is what I did). Does that beat an iPhone with freaking Google Maps?!?
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Let's just say WM has the ability to look like (or be) an iPhone. Can't say that about the iPhone
I agree with Firefall, and you can do a lot more with an WM phone (imo)..

Jumping ship to the new iPhone?

You don't have to read this, you can just vote.
Ok, we have all heard about OS 3.0.
Faster, multi - tasking, A2DP, other bluetooth improvements such as file transfer, MMS, video capture, onboard video editing software included, etc..
The new iPhone to be released end of June is also going to have a few hardware changes. Have heard that it is 16 to 32 gb, that there is a 5mp autofocus camera with a quality lens on back, and a 3mp on the front (compared to our VGA), thinner (of course, pretty much a guarantee), possible bigger and sharper screen, etc...
It seems to me as if Apple has really (unlike MS) done what a company should...analyze the competition (primarily Android but also webOS and RIM), and redesign and improve their product accordingly. They have gotten rid of pretty muh all of the stupid annoyances, made it faster and smaller, and given developers much more access to different system level things for their apps, along with about a million other changes and improvements that you can and probably have read about. I am also really thinking that they will have good integration with things such as facebook, gmail, and outlook.
I really think there will be no question and that it truly will be the #1 device really without any competition. The only competition I can see is maybe something such as the HTC Magic that is thinner, has a larger, higher res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5 (such as some of the HTC line up we have seen).
I just DESPERATELY hope that Apple isn't so stupid and naiive as to not put on MORE BUTTONS! Buttons are always better...always having to quit what you're doing and go back to the home screen to do ANYTHING would drive me insane...I love texting on my HD, then pulling up the phone and calling someone, sticking it on speaker, then going back to texting...that's not too much to ask I don't think.
So vote!
As for what I'm doing. I am jumping ship to the new iPhone. If I find it doesn't satisfy me, I will sell it and get the best Android handset I can find. Hopefully something like the Magic, but thinner, having a bigger, more high res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5. If no new non - keyboard Anroid handsets are out by that time...Magic it is! (if it is ever released)

im gonna have to see the official specs and the actual device before i decide anything,if what is mentioned is true then perhaps. but im looking more at the Palm Pre than the iPhone, we will see

Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.

And what will be the screen resolution of new iPhone?
Current iPhone is a no go for me - with such low screen resolution reading eBooks and surfing the internet is really, really bad.

Waiting eagerly for the new iPhone so definitely jumping ship...
I've got a Mac and syncing is nearly impossible. I've tried all sort of apps but none worked perfectly. I really need to sync address book and calendar and I've had enough of transferring mp3 files one by one, artwork not working etc etc.
the mp3 function is very important for me and the iPhone is perfect for that.
only problem I've got is I don't like the iPhone's current design. It's so 2 years ago. Hopefully they'll come up with a nice sleek design.

Why are Windows Mobile Apps falling behind IPhone ones?
One of the things that has always interest me when making such a decision is: What do developers think? How do they view developing for iPhone versus for winmo platform?
To gain insight into the thinking of developers, including some rather big names in winmo application development, you guys might want to read these extremely interesting threads:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ed...s-mobile-apps-falling-behind-iphone-ones.html
and
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6481405#post6481405

dazza9075 said:
Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.
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1. We all know MS is doing something about it. But we also all know that virtually all MS products suck. We also all know that MS is SLOOOW...therefore (like I said), by the time winmo 7 is released, it will already be behind. It will be released around 3rd quarter 2010...that's ridiculous. Another year from now Android will no longer be so new, and Apple will have put out something entirely new as they know ppl will be getting tired of iPhone by then. Not to mention what RIM and Nokia will be doing.
2. Where is the basis that Android sucks? It is faster than WM, that much is for sure. It is also more customizable. It is more modern. 3rd party app support does not make an OS good or bad....your argument that they suck cuz they don't have apps is no good to me. Sure it can make or break the success of the OS but...that's got nothing to do with the OS itself. Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android. It looks ancient, it runs ancient, and it's that simple. I think we can all agree on that last line there.
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers.
5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)
6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook.
7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice. MS sucks. Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5.
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And what will be the screen resolution of new iPhone?
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No kidding. Couldn't agree more. Coming from a Touch HD and having looked at a lot of friends iPhones...their screens look terrible when reading text (altho they do have 16 million colors compared to our 65,000. Side note: Android also has 16 million colors).
Sadly though I have read that they plan not to change the resolution in order to keep all apps usable. I reallly hope not.

It's true, MS does not have any influence on the phone hardware.
However, an operating system's success is not about hardware potential or software potential or about a combination of both: it's about a tangible offer of potentially attractive software which can be easily obtained via a single entry point, i.e. an APP STORE. That's currently the BIGGEST drawback of the WM platform. I love the customization part of WM but it took me ages to get there. Many users won't take that road and therefore go for the iphone.
There's also a lock-in effect to this -> More users to an OS platform means that developing for that platform gets attractive, thus attracting developers and making the apps offer even more powerful. That in turn increases the chances of attracting new users to the platform, etc.
Honestly, considering all this, do you really a 50 megapixel camera or a nVidia Geforce 8800 GTX in your phone ?? What about all the already hidden potential in your phones which never gets explored because developers and users do not get a realistic chance to discover all of its limitations ?

I'm pretty sure that the new iPhone does not support multi-tasking, you're still stuck to doing one thing at a time. I believe Apples official unofficial stand on it is that they spent way too much time and money on their failed push notifications, and they're not going to allow multi-tasking. (Apple does not like to say it's wrong...and if they would release multi-tasking, I'm sure they'll call it something else, and put a patent on it for no reason).

You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all

Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .

andes83 said:
Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
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I really think it is going to be more than "a bit better".
As you saw there are hundreds of features and fixes in the new OS, plus new hardware changes such has considerably better CPU, double the RAM, better camera, thinner etc..

iori said:
You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all
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iori,
There are lots of misconceptions about iPhone, so I don't blame you for having incomplete or wrong information.
iPhone is extremley customizable too, and you too can have multitasking once jailbroken. Therefore, you do not get what it is - you get what you want it to be. You don't get stucked with iTunes and online store. You get the benefit but you can also get things outside iTune and online store.
Whoever gives you the idea that the iPhone aplls are not useable does not know what he is talking about. When app store was first available, many low quality applications did get listed. Not anymore. Whether you're an advanced IT network adminstrator, sales executives, finance director, web site marketer, shipping agent, there are really nice applications for you. Trust me on this one. Don't just anyhow believe people who tells you that iPhone is just a toy and winmo is for corporate use. iPhone can be as corporate as you want it to be.
Cheers.

Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...

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Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...
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Yes, that's tue still. If you're in US, there is an application called G-Map, which on the surface looks quite decent, but nothing outside US yet. However, this is expected to change with Firmware 3.0. The reason why there was none in the past was because Apple did not allow any such application, thanks to their stupid policy. Respectable company like Tom Tom would of course refuse to release it into the "underground" cydia store. With the policy change by Apple, TomTom is expected there soon.
I'm all for having everything in one device too, and GPS has been a sore point for me. The other sore point is the fixed battery, but that I can accept because iPHone's battery life is not bad.

1, im sorry but your statment about everything MS produces are rubbish, is in fact rubbish, i cant comment what you do with your PC / Mobile but i rarely have system crashes, on my mobile i cant even remember the last time i was forced to do a hard reset, on my desktop im using one of the most stable OSs ive ever used and its BETA! I do agree it takes them time to produce the software and i do agree that in the past SOME of their projects are flakey but not all.
"2. Where is the basis that Android sucks?"
You miss the point of an OS here, if nothing good works on an OS NO ONE will use it, its that simple, If i cant use the programs i need then that OS is useless to me, it may have a place in the linux following groups who challenge everything MS and claim to be better than everything else but in the real world if i cant use what i want to use its useless. MS also has a massive software base including various distribution sites, some free some not, everything is cated for. Android looks no better than my WM device with Touch flo, its no quicker, i know this because i have both of them sitting in front of me.
Because something is more modern doesnt make it good, take the Pentium 4 over Pentium 3 as an example. but i agree android IS more customizable
"Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android"
Really? a LOT is a big statement that i bet you cant quantify with factual information and not hand back subjective reviews and "feelings" about things.
"It looks ancient,"
The core OS does yes, but tell me, is android not a Shell over a command line? i believe it is, So technically the core OS on android looks crap too but thats just nit picking!
"it runs ancient"
that makes no sence, only and new programs work on it fine, quick and responsive so what makes an OS ancient?
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
Ah yes i was refering to Linux and its intresting cult of followers but i retract that statement as it was below the belt.
"4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers."
nope, it isnt to me, graphics wise its slow compared to hardware excelerated devices, whats bizzar is that the phone can still pump out ok graphics on its CPU and still multi task, if qualcomm released graphics drivers for many of the 7xxx based chipsets i think you will find a near perfect device. but even without that it works....just!
"5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)"
I really cant comment, since WM2002 ive not had that on a multitude of different devices. and Windows doesnt do that either, perhaps the common denominator here is the user.
"6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook."
quantify please?
"7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice"
I too have used Linux, OSX and all the different versions of Windows and they have there places i do agree that in different markets different OS's suit different people. but tell me which one of those is the best for all markets all be it perhaps not as good as the other OS's designed for those markets?
"MS sucks. "
you lose all credibility with that statment attact a spacific product if you choose but to say Apple sucks or MS sucks is crazy and wrong.
"Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5."
You started off well there, but lost it at the end, PROVE to me that the new OS is better on the Iphone? without using speculation and subjective views an opinions.
I believe MS will be increasing the colour depth on the new devices but i doubt it will make any significate difference, except in its speed. what the WM based devices need is some new tech that uses resistive screens without the 70% (about that) loss of light, that in turn would increase battery life. Dont say capacitive screens, a stylus can be very useful, but definitely a combination of the two somehow.

there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.

lancemate said:
there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
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Hi Lancemate,
How do we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with Tom Tom? I must have missed that information somewhere.
I'm too disappointed with Steve Jobs for not providing multitasking. So, looks like we still have to jailbreak to get that.
HD's resolution is very nice. No doubt about it. Although vast majority of the applications (phone, weather, music player for example) would not really miss this. Web surfing is in my mind a leading exception, as it would be nice to be able to clearly read the font without zooming in. It is for me a compromise, although an acceptable one for myself. I guess one has to take everything into account (multitouch vs resistive, number of applications available, speed, smoothness, stability, user interface, etc) and decide for oneself if such a compromise is worth it.

its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html

lancemate said:
its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
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I'm aware Tom Tom and Navigon will be available, but as separate purchase rather than being shipped with the phone. Guess I misunderstood what you said. Thanks anyway.

SE X1 vs Hero vs iPhone 3GS UI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5F0Ruzwos8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xMUEhFBJ8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1zvj5YDy4
The final installment of the epic battle: iPhone vs HTC Hero, iPhone OS vs Android, Apple vs Google ... Whose cuisine will reign supreme? Noah gives his opinion, anyway.
The real question is where is WINMO here and our beloved SE X1?

I think nobody doubt's that the UI of the X1 is not the best. If it would be that good, why would such a lot of people install Manila or Titanium. You cannot describe the Panel-thingy as real UI because it hasn't been pushed forward by SE. There are to be honest no useful new panels since months. The only thing SE does now is selling SPB MS3 e.g. in Korea as X1-UI.

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I think nobody doubt's that the UI of the X1 is not the best. If it would be that good, why would such a lot of people install Manila or Titanium. You cannot describe the Panel-thingy as real UI because it hasn't been pushed forward by SE. There are to be honest no useful new panels since months. The only thing SE does now is selling SPB MS3 e.g. in Korea as X1-UI.
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I'm in Korea. trust me it sucks. Slower than ever, full of bloatware and corporate advertisement, and no english options.

apple's ui on both iphone and computer is way above the line, no doubt about it, apple just need to add a hardware keyboard, full multitasking abilities with 3rd party apps without having to install another 3rd party app for this purpose, and a few more goodies to win me over, god knows i hate to use onscreen keyboards
Hero Sense UI looks sexy, makes u wonder if its really android

"iPhone 3GS vs HTC Hero" where does the x1 come into it

spikegotti said:
apple's ui on both iphone and computer is way above the line, no doubt about it, apple just need to add a hardware keyboard, full multitasking abilities with 3rd party apps without having to install another 3rd party app for this purpose, and a few more goodies to win me over
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Haha, this "just" things is ****..ng alot man!

lol yea, the iphone is a good device dont get me wrong lol, but its just not good enough for me, imagine if i had it with my x1, i think i'd only use it for games...i dont think i would ever buy a device without a hardware keyboard, and to know that i cant minimize an app to use another, hmmm i doubt that too...

That's what I mean.
Fruit misses alot.

Yet another iPhone casualty
This is so frustrating that it's funny. I think the first TRUE iPhone competition (meaning: a great highly-refined user experience, online software/music downloads, smooth running, etc.), will come from Microsoft and WM7 with it's app store and Zune capability. Everything on the market up until then, I have a strong feeling, will come up short like the HTC Hero and Palm Pre does. This is not to say there won't be great phones, but, pound-for-pound, it'll take Microsoft and a hardware partner to come up with a TRUE iphone competitor.
It's amazing how the new superior features of the HTC Hero still fell flat in the face of the aging iPhone GUI. It was very obvious in the videos. The true iPhone competitor will have iTunes equivalent, AppStore competition, ultra-smooth GUI (don't give me BS about so-called upcoming software optimizations ). MS could one up Apple by including total voice control of the phone, XBox games, Zune features, fully integrated Bing voice search, etc.

WhyBe said:
Yet another iPhone casualty
This is so frustrating that it's funny. I think the first TRUE iPhone competition (meaning: a great highly-refined user experience, online software/music downloads, smooth running, etc.), will come from Microsoft and WM7 with it's app store and Zune capability. Everything on the market up until then, I have a strong feeling, will come up short like the HTC Hero and Palm Pre does. This is not to say there won't be great phones, but, pound-for-pound, it'll take Microsoft and a hardware partner to come up with a TRUE iphone competitor.
It's amazing how the new superior features of the HTC Hero still fell flat in the face of the aging iPhone GUI. It was very obvious in the videos. The true iPhone competitor will have iTunes equivalent, AppStore competition, ultra-smooth GUI (don't give me BS about so-called upcoming software optimizations ). MS could one up Apple by including total voice control of the phone, XBox games, Zune features, fully integrated Bing voice search, etc.
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WM 7 could do that I think.
And future integration is a must too.

doministry said:
WM 7 could do that I think.
And future integration is a must too.
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...and forget about compatibility with previous WM versions. They need to start completely fresh.

Uh.....
So, you want to compare a sub par feature phone with no real OS and a smartphone with a promising OS to a full mobile computer??? HAHAHAHAHA
Right.....
VelikiMeshtar said:
iPhone.... iPhone OS......... Apple.......
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WhyBe said:
...and forget about compatibility with previous WM versions. They need to start completely fresh.
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Not neccesarily but possibly.

^^^ a little file compatibility, and that should be it. I don't think MS should bog itself down with legacy code compatibility.
And since MS isn't making the hardware, they need to get really specific and strict on the variety of WM hardware being created. I think when software developers have to account for too many different form factors, the user experience gets watered down.

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I'm in Korea. trust me it sucks. Slower than ever, full of bloatware and corporate advertisement, and no english options.
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Delete the spbmobileshell.txt file in /Program Files/SPB Mobile Shell. After rebooting, the UI will be in English.

somehow i cant see anyone being accustom to using the 480x800 resolution will resort to the iphone(unless the resolution is increased in the next model), its true the iphone has millions of colors, but damn, i hate being able to see the pixels on a phone, i actually made a guy jealous yesterday after he saw the resolution on my SEX1...the iphone still has some catching up to do before i switch, but as i said before, the os has the best gui...everyone knows, apple scores big when it comes to their OS GUI (including the OS in general)
also note, those who claim the iphone is faster than the x1
it takes like a 1.5 -2 second delay to open stock apps on the iphone, on my x1 only a few 3rd party apps takes this long
now the 3g s is out, that should be compared to the x2, still i doubt the iphone 3g s can outrun the xperia
if SE had to open a store selling the x1 housing for at least $25 USD, i dont think i would be selling my x1, because its the best damn device out there right now despite the lack of games for the resolution

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somehow i cant see anyone being accustom to using the 480x800 resolution will resort to the iphone(unless the resolution is increased in the next model), its true the iphone has millions of colors, but damn, i hate being able to see the pixels on a phone, i actually made a guy jealous yesterday after he saw the resolution on my SEX1...the iphone still has some catching up to do before i switch, but as i said before, the os has the best gui...everyone knows, apple scores big when it comes to their OS GUI (including the OS in general)
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Yes, the WVGA screen is really impressive. I think iPhone is stuck at it's lower resolution because it uses capacitive touch technology. Capacitive doesn't allow the precision of the resistive technology of the X1. You'll notice that the Hero with it's capacitive screen is also lo-res.
No one can see the difference between 16M colors and 65K unless you're looking at gradients. Besides, the iPhone screen only has 153600 pixels...where the hell are you going to fit 16million colors?
also note, those who claim the iphone is faster than the x1
it takes like a 1.5 -2 second delay to open stock apps on the iphone, on my x1 only a few 3rd party apps takes this long
now the 3g s is out, that should be compared to the x2, still i doubt the iphone 3g s can outrun the xperia
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Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) AND GUI optimized OS. Maybe programs take the same amount of time to load as X1, but, they flow so much smoother. Even smooth apps on the X1 such as YouTube, PhoneEx, CNN panel still are not as quick and smooth as the iPhone.

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Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) and GUI optimized OS.
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He doesn't have to prove anything, because my X1 is faster than an iCrap as well.

Sorry, you're going to need to prove that one. Many of my friends have iPhones, and the first thing you notice when using one is how fast and fluid it's response is. You have to take into account, iPhone has multitasking disabled AND it has a faster CPU (600 or so MHz I think) and GUI optimized OS.
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did that yesterday dude, windows calender on my x1 opens faster then the iphone ical
note that this guy does not have any 3rd party apps on his iphone

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He doesn't have to prove anything, because my X1 is faster than an iCrap as well.
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I'm sure there are tons of comparison videos on YouTube. Show me one that has the X1 being faster and more fluid than iPhone.
And I'm talking overall, not just one particular program's load time.

Can someone please explain what is wrong with Windows Mobile 6.5

Okay here I am setting myself up to be flamed - you see I don't understand what the beef is with Windows Mobile 6.5? I know it is a bit of a gloss job and that there is room for improvement but what is so intrinsically wrong with it that so many people are screaming about it...is it so unusable, or unstable - I know it is not the Apple OS and that I have to say may have its upsides. But what is the big problem.
So go for it shout at me - call me ignorant - but if you can enlighten me please do.
I am about to get an HD2 and am looking forward to the whole experience.
Scott

It looks kinda ugly (not fingerfriendly, no animations), misses APIs for the hardware in modern devices and the UI controls provided by Visual studio are ugly as well, making software development for WM sometimes difficult.
That's it. The list of good things about WM is a lot longer.
All in all, there's nothing wrong with WM except for its reputation in the blogosphere.
It has its pros and cons like every other phone OS. None of them is perfect and iPhone OS or Android are not better than WM at all. They're just different, less powerful but easier to use.

freyberry said:
It looks kinda ugly (not fingerfriendly, no animations), misses APIs for the hardware in modern devices and the UI controls provided by Visual studio are ugly as well, making software development for WM sometimes difficult.
That's it. The list of good things about WM is a lot longer.
All in all, there's nothing wrong with WM except for its reputation in the blogosphere.
It has its pros and cons like every other phone OS. None of them is perfect and iPhone OS or Android are not better than WM at all. They're just different, less powerful but easier to use.
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and alot more popular. iPhone has the famous app store, with about 1000 quality games and 5000 quality apps.

I had no difficulties finding equivalents for every application when I switched away from the iPhone. WM has 30.000 applications as well.
But popularity is a problem.

I for one am so bored of the apple lovers saying get an Iphone over the hd2. If you want an iphone just get one, its a decent phone if thats what you want. WM6.5 isnt the most finger friendly OS but i think the big/only limitation for the hd2 is the fact it doesnt support our hardware very well in the kernel (which hasnt been updated since WM5 really), so to that end our device is only as slick as it is due to the massive overspec of the processor.
Yes WM7 will be better, but its certainly not a reason to wait and not buy a HD2. This forum has hundreds of threads in the leo section talking about iphone this and that, and frankly i am pretty sure i am not the only one sick of it.
I for one think WM6.5 on the HD2 is more than a decent OS, yes i dont interact with it directly that often but if i need to then i can at least get to the guts easily (file explorer/reg edit etc) which is way more difficult on other mobile platforms.
It isnt perfect but certianly isnt worth all of the chat thats going around atm.

I don't want an iphone and too am tired of the iphone zealots - I have been following the Leo since it was leaked it is the phone for me I just wanted to know what the big beef with WM 6.5 is.
I am currently using a BlackBerry Bold and it is a nice device but feel so limited beyond texting and emailing. But the HD2 that is a whole new ballgame.
Thanks for the feedback - I am looking forward to getting the phone in February.
Scott

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with 6.5 except its lack of finger friendlyness, which depending on what you use the phone for could be a positive or a negative. Its biggest drawback is the poor quality of the original phones gave it a bad press which certain tech websites have never let go.
Personally I have had WM phones since the Wizard and have used a number of different ones since. I also have a Hero and found Android very good but ultimately not as usable as WM6.1 or WM6.5. My current phone is a HD2 which beats the the Hero and the iPhone at virtually every everyday task it has been given. (even the Hero stood up very well against the iPhone).
As for apps, yet again the media seem to think the only way to get an app on your phone is through an app store - carefully ignoring the fact that WM has had apps since day 1, just not all available from one place.

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FPMSL!!!!!!

Well, there might really be 6000 quality apps among those 110000.
That's 5.5%. If 20% of all WM applications are quality ones, then there's already more quality applications for WM than for the iPhone. Especially if you add PSX games that all work great on WM now
Don't take this too serious, I'm just having a bit of fun. There's lots of good applications for the iPhone, but I never missed anything when I switched (back) to WM.

While I have all of you to talk to - what is the best registry editor to get for my HD2? I also want to look at a task manager as well...
Any feedback much appreciated.
Scott

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Well, there might really be 6000 quality apps among those 110000.
That's 5.5%. If 20% of all WM applications are quality ones, then there's already more quality applications for WM than for the iPhone. Especially if you add PSX games that all work great on WM now
Don't take this too serious, I'm just having a bit of fun. There's lots of good applications for the iPhone, but I never missed anything when I switched (back) to WM.
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One thing I can not get about Iphone apps is fact they take normal app and call it something new and wonderful.
There is this app for iphone that splits the restaurant bill on to as many people as you want.
I thin on all other phones it is called a calculator and it can do so much more as well as is free.
Another example of stupid paid app is Ducati history app. Why pay I think £2.99 for it (BTW it still only works if you are online) when you can get the same at Ducati.com. Only reason I can think off is because Ducati site is flash based?!
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While I have all of you to talk to - what is the best registry editor to get for my HD2? I also want to look at a task manager as well...
Any feedback much appreciated.
Scott
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Get resco explorer with regedit plugin. However I think full one you have to pay. For a free app there is PHM Registry editor:
http://freewareppc.com/utilities/phmregistryeditor.shtml
to edit registry of your winmo device via your laptop you will need active sync and CeRegeditor by mdSoft. It allows you to export keys you want and convert them in to cab installs so if you need to hard reset it is just click and go for all your registry tweaks.

I think I miss Windows Mobile 6! Tell me I'm crazy...

I'm a former user of an HTC Touch Diamond. Thanks to these forums, I was able to customize nearly anything and everything on that device. I retired my Diamond about a month ago when I got my Xperia X10, and I found myself missing my Diamond.
Xperia Pros:
The Screen! The display is huge and amazing!
Android market. So many great apps to choose from.
Android OS. The stock apps and launchers seem really great to use. Lots of features and eye candy out of the box.
Xperia Cons:
Micro-USB / Connector Cover. It has made my 6 mini-usb cables and charger useless, and the cover is annoying to open.
Touch Screen. I found myself annoyed by the capacitive screen. I'm a guy, and I don't feel the need to have soft moist hands. The capacitive screen has given me so much grief, while I never had any problems with any resistive screens in the past.
Battery. I know every complains about battery life, but it was pretty much the same as my Diamond. The only difference is that my Diamond has a huge extended battery available for purchase.
Android market. Tons of "little" apps, but no real powerhouse apps that fit my own needs. I found I needed to download/buy 3 different apps that did the job of one Windows Mobile app.
Voice Dialing. Where is it? My city just enforced some crazy cellphone laws, and I really need this. It sucks on the Xperia. Big time.
Diamond Pros:
Fantastic Apps! S2U2 is amazing. It's a lockscreen that gives you so much access to viewing info (email, sms, etc) without a risk of unlocking your phone accidentally. Magicall let me have push email without the battery use, as well as many other fantastic calling and SMS features.
OpnMarket. Tons of great apps available from FreewarePPC.
Resistive screen. So much better for me than the capacitive screen.
Amazing customizability. Not just the ROMs, since I'm sure the X10 will get a few soon, but everything seemed to be easier to customize and change in Windows. Maybe I just need to learn more about Android.
Diamond Cons:
Tiny tiny tiny screen. This is the only reason I didn't go back.
Windows Mobile stock OS really sucks, and needs all the apps to add the eye candy and features.
Sometimes sluggish with all the hacks, patches, and customizations.
Strangely enough, I find myself sorely missing Windows Mobile. I really wish I could at least find an app exactly like S2U2 on Android. I've tried a few lockscreens, and they don't even lock the device properly. They seem to be just homescreen replacements. Lack of a proper voicedial app on the Xperia is also a huge con. Any other recent Windows Mobile converts feel the same way?

Go put Android 2.2 Froyo onto your HTC Diamond, this might help you to kill some time while waiting for Android 2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692

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Go put Android 2.2 Froyo onto your HTC Diamond, this might help you to kill some time while waiting for Android 2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692
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Well, I tried 1.6 awhile back on my Diamond, and it was unbearably slow. Besides, that would be the opposite of what I want right now. I think I'd prefer Windows Mobile on my Xperia.

You are crazy.

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You are crazy.
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i agree!!! you're CRAZY!!!!

as someone who has come over from windows mobile 6.5 and owning a touch diamond 2 and htc 2, i can tell you, you are crazy.

i have a xperia x1
and yes one more vote for "you are crazy"=..=
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No you're not CRAZY!
100,000 Apps for Android? I think that smartphone users today don't understand that App is short for Application and they're being pretty liberal calling most of what's available an Application.
The simple fact that Google doesn't offer a fast and easy solution for Outlook sync is plain stupid. Even the iPhone will sync with Outlook. The Google "Cloud" sync takes far more user input than WinMo does so it's far from effective.
When WinMo 7 is up and running I'll be putting this Android fiasco behind me.
P.S. if you're a teenage girl then Android should be right for you.

Battery life on the diamond with extended battery and latest stock rom was total and utter **** if you ask me, it was the most useless batterylife of any device i've ever experienced and the diamond overall... ok i did like it when i first got it but that phone felt outdated within 3 months, i love my new x10 and my battery is great, even amazing compared to diamonds. In fact i could drain both the original and the extended on diamond within 32h and the x10 battery ticks way over 48h now with normal useage
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I want my baby back baby back baby back, I want my baby back baby back baby back,I want my baby back baby back baby back. Your delusional dude.

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I'm a former user of an HTC Touch Diamond. Thanks to these forums, I was able to customize nearly anything and everything on that device. I retired my Diamond about a month ago when I got my Xperia X10, and I found myself missing my Diamond.
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I agree to some of it. The lousy not so touch friendly UI of WM never really bothered me as we get to use it less. I love the level of customization that can be done to WM like Panels, Today screen, smart dialer, etc.
I think most of the current generation mobile OS got the luxury of faster processors, more memory to feel more fluid. Each never version is basically trying to catch up with WM capability but with touch friendly UI.
I think the failure story of WM wouldn't have been this bad if only Microsoft invested time to improve their default browser years back and made the menu's, buttons, etc more bigger so they are more user friendly.
I played with my friends HD2 and like it a lot except for the browser.

First of all I bought an Android device because I never thought they were that great but felt it was unfair to criticise without having used one a for a period of time.
Now that I am an owner of several WinMo devices and one Android device I feel I can point out the differences fairly – Sorry in advance to the Android Fanboys.
For someone that is more interested in a useful device for business applications and uses a Windows based PC’s then WinMo is the clear winner. For someone that wants to have a toy for social networking then Android is the clear winner.
I’m sure there are many people on the planet that are so important that they need to Facebook and Twitter/Buzz every single move they make during the day and hopefully they use Latitude so everyone knows exactly where this tremdously important event took place.
Bottom line is that they are 2 different platforms that cater to 2 different groups of people. One isn’t better than the other, they’re just different. WinMo users read newspapers, Android users read comic books. Neither is better than the other, they’re just different.
I’ve spent 2 weeks looking at “Top 10” and “Must have Android Apps” blogs as well as spending time on AppBrain. I’m not saying there aren’t any useful Android Apps but they certainly don’t number in the thousands or even the hundreds. Below is what I found to be somewhat useful but I can still do better on a WinMo device running 6.1 pro.
Astro File Manager
BetterKeyboard
ChompSMS
eBay
GDocs
Imap Weather
IMDB
IP Cam Viewer
K-9 Mail
MyRogers
NetCounter
Newsrob
Quick Reboot
Remote VNC
Roboform
Speedtest.net
SwiFTP
TD Bank
Titanium Backup
Weather Bug
XDA
Wikidroid for Wikipedia
P.S. Using Remote VNC on the Android is like torture. On the WinMo device I can login, do a few quick things and logout while sitting at a red light. To do the same thing with the Android VNC viewer it would be faster to drive home and use the keyboard.

I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it

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I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
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My point exactly

Just enter the discussion, I still own my HD2 with custom ROM. As Izzy said, if you are a business person WM is the best for you, Even after I purchased Moxier with Widget and stuff its not anywhere close to WM even 6.1. WM is more solid and it is because it has been around for longer and android might be there one day. But reason I chose Android was to go with a different approach and I still like it and not regretting it. As you start developing more things and gets updated to higher Android Version you may become more satisfied.
Part of our problem is SE by locking the phone with their junk which is not useful to all of us. In WM phone you have option to go either with WM solid or their customized UI.
At the end, I am not a person stick to my phone for any longer than 6 to 10 months so in case I need to move to another platform then no problem. Right now, I don't want to go back to 6.5 even with missing option on Android.

Nimche said:
At the end, I am not a person stick to my phone for any longer than 6 to 10 months so in case I need to move to another platform then no problem. Right now, I don't want to go back to 6.5 even with missing option on Android.
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I change a lot too so I'm looking forward to WinMo 7. It may be a nice solution that helps out the business users and still has the social networking aspect that the others are interested in. That Dell Lightning looks pretty dam hot!
I wouldn't be so down on Android if they had out of the box support for Outlook sync.
I'm so sick of ALL of these guys drawing a line in the sand and refusing to support any other features from other suppliers. It's the user that suffers.

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ved to android I think wm7 is going to start where android was year ago. Breaking the compatibility with wm6.5 stupid thing Microsoft did also taking out copy paste, multitasking the last stra
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I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
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I feel the same too. I used to have a HTC Universal, and there were so many power apps/applications (Whatever you want to call them), that Android doesn't have yet. I didn't even use most of them, as I didn't have a need for them, but at least there was a choice available.
I think Android may soon have this 'choice' that I'm talking about, but I do understand what you mean (@ big_raji).

I share your sentiments regarding winmo 6.1/6.5. Winmo is such a mature platform just like symbian and palmOS. These bad boys of the old gen were not pretty to look at, but they got stuff done.
What boggles my mind is how Android failed to support system wide copy/paste; especially in their native gmail app. Only recently did they start to address this (2.2 update).
Another annoyance I have with Android is its connectivity capabilities. Why can't it do things like tether, bluetooth file transfer, and sync with local storage out of the box?
I know that some of my complaints can be solved with apps in the market, but the thing is many of these features should be standard. That's my problem with the new gen of mobile OS's. They don't look to the past to see what made phones "smart".
I'm in no way downplaying what innovations have been brought to smartphones. I just think that phones these days are more just multimedia consumption devices rather than the productivity assistants they grew up from. That is why I am so nervous about windows phone 7. If microsoft screws that up, all that will be left of the old guard that "just works" as a work tool will be blackberry and symbian^3.
I know I've said a lot. I'm sure people will disagree and take offense, but know that my definition of a smartphone is a device which lets me be productive while being mobile. If it has decent multimedia capabilities, that's also good.

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Another annoyance I have with Android is its connectivity capabilities. Why can't it do things like tether, bluetooth file transfer, and sync with local storage out of the box?
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Tell me about it. The first day I started with Android I paired my Bluetooth earpiece, pressed the call button and waited for the X10 to come alive and wait for a voice dial command. After pressing it several times, reconnecting, I googled to discover that Android doesn't do that. Are you freaking kidding me? My 5 year old RAZR does voice dial! Maybe they should have focused on the tools before the toys?
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That is why I am so nervous about windows phone 7. If microsoft screws that up, all that will be left of the old guard that "just works" as a work tool will be blackberry and symbian^3.
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Well at very least it will sync with Outlook
I also hope there's a decent VNC version out for it.