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Ok, we have all heard about OS 3.0.
Faster, multi - tasking, A2DP, other bluetooth improvements such as file transfer, MMS, video capture, onboard video editing software included, etc..
The new iPhone to be released end of June is also going to have a few hardware changes. Have heard that it is 16 to 32 gb, that there is a 5mp autofocus camera with a quality lens on back, and a 3mp on the front (compared to our VGA), thinner (of course, pretty much a guarantee), possible bigger and sharper screen, etc...
It seems to me as if Apple has really (unlike MS) done what a company should...analyze the competition (primarily Android but also webOS and RIM), and redesign and improve their product accordingly. They have gotten rid of pretty muh all of the stupid annoyances, made it faster and smaller, and given developers much more access to different system level things for their apps, along with about a million other changes and improvements that you can and probably have read about. I am also really thinking that they will have good integration with things such as facebook, gmail, and outlook.
I really think there will be no question and that it truly will be the #1 device really without any competition. The only competition I can see is maybe something such as the HTC Magic that is thinner, has a larger, higher res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5 (such as some of the HTC line up we have seen).
I just DESPERATELY hope that Apple isn't so stupid and naiive as to not put on MORE BUTTONS! Buttons are always better...always having to quit what you're doing and go back to the home screen to do ANYTHING would drive me insane...I love texting on my HD, then pulling up the phone and calling someone, sticking it on speaker, then going back to texting...that's not too much to ask I don't think.
So vote!
As for what I'm doing. I am jumping ship to the new iPhone. If I find it doesn't satisfy me, I will sell it and get the best Android handset I can find. Hopefully something like the Magic, but thinner, having a bigger, more high res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5. If no new non - keyboard Anroid handsets are out by that time...Magic it is! (if it is ever released)
im gonna have to see the official specs and the actual device before i decide anything,if what is mentioned is true then perhaps. but im looking more at the Palm Pre than the iPhone, we will see
Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.
And what will be the screen resolution of new iPhone?
Current iPhone is a no go for me - with such low screen resolution reading eBooks and surfing the internet is really, really bad.
Waiting eagerly for the new iPhone so definitely jumping ship...
I've got a Mac and syncing is nearly impossible. I've tried all sort of apps but none worked perfectly. I really need to sync address book and calendar and I've had enough of transferring mp3 files one by one, artwork not working etc etc.
the mp3 function is very important for me and the iPhone is perfect for that.
only problem I've got is I don't like the iPhone's current design. It's so 2 years ago. Hopefully they'll come up with a nice sleek design.
Why are Windows Mobile Apps falling behind IPhone ones?
One of the things that has always interest me when making such a decision is: What do developers think? How do they view developing for iPhone versus for winmo platform?
To gain insight into the thinking of developers, including some rather big names in winmo application development, you guys might want to read these extremely interesting threads:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ed...s-mobile-apps-falling-behind-iphone-ones.html
and
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6481405#post6481405
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Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.
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1. We all know MS is doing something about it. But we also all know that virtually all MS products suck. We also all know that MS is SLOOOW...therefore (like I said), by the time winmo 7 is released, it will already be behind. It will be released around 3rd quarter 2010...that's ridiculous. Another year from now Android will no longer be so new, and Apple will have put out something entirely new as they know ppl will be getting tired of iPhone by then. Not to mention what RIM and Nokia will be doing.
2. Where is the basis that Android sucks? It is faster than WM, that much is for sure. It is also more customizable. It is more modern. 3rd party app support does not make an OS good or bad....your argument that they suck cuz they don't have apps is no good to me. Sure it can make or break the success of the OS but...that's got nothing to do with the OS itself. Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android. It looks ancient, it runs ancient, and it's that simple. I think we can all agree on that last line there.
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers.
5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)
6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook.
7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice. MS sucks. Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5.
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And what will be the screen resolution of new iPhone?
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No kidding. Couldn't agree more. Coming from a Touch HD and having looked at a lot of friends iPhones...their screens look terrible when reading text (altho they do have 16 million colors compared to our 65,000. Side note: Android also has 16 million colors).
Sadly though I have read that they plan not to change the resolution in order to keep all apps usable. I reallly hope not.
It's true, MS does not have any influence on the phone hardware.
However, an operating system's success is not about hardware potential or software potential or about a combination of both: it's about a tangible offer of potentially attractive software which can be easily obtained via a single entry point, i.e. an APP STORE. That's currently the BIGGEST drawback of the WM platform. I love the customization part of WM but it took me ages to get there. Many users won't take that road and therefore go for the iphone.
There's also a lock-in effect to this -> More users to an OS platform means that developing for that platform gets attractive, thus attracting developers and making the apps offer even more powerful. That in turn increases the chances of attracting new users to the platform, etc.
Honestly, considering all this, do you really a 50 megapixel camera or a nVidia Geforce 8800 GTX in your phone ?? What about all the already hidden potential in your phones which never gets explored because developers and users do not get a realistic chance to discover all of its limitations ?
I'm pretty sure that the new iPhone does not support multi-tasking, you're still stuck to doing one thing at a time. I believe Apples official unofficial stand on it is that they spent way too much time and money on their failed push notifications, and they're not going to allow multi-tasking. (Apple does not like to say it's wrong...and if they would release multi-tasking, I'm sure they'll call it something else, and put a patent on it for no reason).
You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all
Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
andes83 said:
Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
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I really think it is going to be more than "a bit better".
As you saw there are hundreds of features and fixes in the new OS, plus new hardware changes such has considerably better CPU, double the RAM, better camera, thinner etc..
iori said:
You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all
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iori,
There are lots of misconceptions about iPhone, so I don't blame you for having incomplete or wrong information.
iPhone is extremley customizable too, and you too can have multitasking once jailbroken. Therefore, you do not get what it is - you get what you want it to be. You don't get stucked with iTunes and online store. You get the benefit but you can also get things outside iTune and online store.
Whoever gives you the idea that the iPhone aplls are not useable does not know what he is talking about. When app store was first available, many low quality applications did get listed. Not anymore. Whether you're an advanced IT network adminstrator, sales executives, finance director, web site marketer, shipping agent, there are really nice applications for you. Trust me on this one. Don't just anyhow believe people who tells you that iPhone is just a toy and winmo is for corporate use. iPhone can be as corporate as you want it to be.
Cheers.
Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...
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Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...
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Yes, that's tue still. If you're in US, there is an application called G-Map, which on the surface looks quite decent, but nothing outside US yet. However, this is expected to change with Firmware 3.0. The reason why there was none in the past was because Apple did not allow any such application, thanks to their stupid policy. Respectable company like Tom Tom would of course refuse to release it into the "underground" cydia store. With the policy change by Apple, TomTom is expected there soon.
I'm all for having everything in one device too, and GPS has been a sore point for me. The other sore point is the fixed battery, but that I can accept because iPHone's battery life is not bad.
1, im sorry but your statment about everything MS produces are rubbish, is in fact rubbish, i cant comment what you do with your PC / Mobile but i rarely have system crashes, on my mobile i cant even remember the last time i was forced to do a hard reset, on my desktop im using one of the most stable OSs ive ever used and its BETA! I do agree it takes them time to produce the software and i do agree that in the past SOME of their projects are flakey but not all.
"2. Where is the basis that Android sucks?"
You miss the point of an OS here, if nothing good works on an OS NO ONE will use it, its that simple, If i cant use the programs i need then that OS is useless to me, it may have a place in the linux following groups who challenge everything MS and claim to be better than everything else but in the real world if i cant use what i want to use its useless. MS also has a massive software base including various distribution sites, some free some not, everything is cated for. Android looks no better than my WM device with Touch flo, its no quicker, i know this because i have both of them sitting in front of me.
Because something is more modern doesnt make it good, take the Pentium 4 over Pentium 3 as an example. but i agree android IS more customizable
"Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android"
Really? a LOT is a big statement that i bet you cant quantify with factual information and not hand back subjective reviews and "feelings" about things.
"It looks ancient,"
The core OS does yes, but tell me, is android not a Shell over a command line? i believe it is, So technically the core OS on android looks crap too but thats just nit picking!
"it runs ancient"
that makes no sence, only and new programs work on it fine, quick and responsive so what makes an OS ancient?
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
Ah yes i was refering to Linux and its intresting cult of followers but i retract that statement as it was below the belt.
"4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers."
nope, it isnt to me, graphics wise its slow compared to hardware excelerated devices, whats bizzar is that the phone can still pump out ok graphics on its CPU and still multi task, if qualcomm released graphics drivers for many of the 7xxx based chipsets i think you will find a near perfect device. but even without that it works....just!
"5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)"
I really cant comment, since WM2002 ive not had that on a multitude of different devices. and Windows doesnt do that either, perhaps the common denominator here is the user.
"6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook."
quantify please?
"7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice"
I too have used Linux, OSX and all the different versions of Windows and they have there places i do agree that in different markets different OS's suit different people. but tell me which one of those is the best for all markets all be it perhaps not as good as the other OS's designed for those markets?
"MS sucks. "
you lose all credibility with that statment attact a spacific product if you choose but to say Apple sucks or MS sucks is crazy and wrong.
"Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5."
You started off well there, but lost it at the end, PROVE to me that the new OS is better on the Iphone? without using speculation and subjective views an opinions.
I believe MS will be increasing the colour depth on the new devices but i doubt it will make any significate difference, except in its speed. what the WM based devices need is some new tech that uses resistive screens without the 70% (about that) loss of light, that in turn would increase battery life. Dont say capacitive screens, a stylus can be very useful, but definitely a combination of the two somehow.
there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
lancemate said:
there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
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Hi Lancemate,
How do we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with Tom Tom? I must have missed that information somewhere.
I'm too disappointed with Steve Jobs for not providing multitasking. So, looks like we still have to jailbreak to get that.
HD's resolution is very nice. No doubt about it. Although vast majority of the applications (phone, weather, music player for example) would not really miss this. Web surfing is in my mind a leading exception, as it would be nice to be able to clearly read the font without zooming in. It is for me a compromise, although an acceptable one for myself. I guess one has to take everything into account (multitouch vs resistive, number of applications available, speed, smoothness, stability, user interface, etc) and decide for oneself if such a compromise is worth it.
its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
lancemate said:
its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
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I'm aware Tom Tom and Navigon will be available, but as separate purchase rather than being shipped with the phone. Guess I misunderstood what you said. Thanks anyway.
Seems that WinMo lack of good stuffs... You know that WinMo based devices are equipped with touch screen, but why. WHY even the same app, the iPhone one got really nice GUI than WinMo one?
Try to google some apps that available on both iPhone and WinMo. Even though they got same functionality, the iPhone one got nicer GUI than WinMo.
The WinMo one always got SUCK GUI... That's really not right...
and I hope the first answer isn't just: Buy iPhone instead of complaining. And if you call yourselves a bunch of good programmer then make a program with nice interface like iPhone's apps instead of ordinary conventional WinMo apps...
the only ewplanation dude is that WM phones are corporate oriented instead of the Iphone.
Apple also spend lot of money in advertising to let people know about the iphone and hire lots of sbcontractors in order to develop games and apps.... so that is why lots of programmer and designer are working with the Iphone...
But I think this is going to change in the next future as HTC finally understood that the need to spent money on advertising
Nice answer... thanks... ^^
But, you know moTweets right?
The super cheap Twitter client (only US$3.99) that Panoramic Software developed.
It has a very nice GUI like iPhone, got complete and perfectly-working feature as well.
And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
I asked them to make Facebook application for WinMo with nice GUI like moTweets and the functionality like Facebook for BlackBerry.
And here's their answer to my idea (we had conversation via Twitter) @PanoramicSoft: "We will definitely consider creating a Facebook app for WinMo. Thanks."
So, just tweet them and give them a vote.
They're surveying whether they need to develop this app or not.
Crescendo Xenomorph said:
And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
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Yes there is. Microsoft developed one.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/facebook.mspx
Yup, I'm aware of that software. But is it a good one? It just a failure I think. Can't even load the NewsFeed properly, need manual refresh to get the current feed. What I mean is: the one that got feature like BlackBerry's Facebok program and nice iPhone-like GUI.
And forgot to tell you. Do you notice that Microsoft's Facebook app just stuck at 1.0.0.7p with no future development?
Me, personally won't count it a program, its a complete failure and crap that Microsoft released to fulfill user's demand for Facebook app. Am I wrong? ^^
Cheers... ^^
Hy,
i think that apple has a brilliant marketing strategie for iphone. But not more!!!
No, you're wrong. We, as a bunch of good developer, surely can make programs like iPhone one. isn't the GUI just a drawings after all? If we can skin our ordinary apps into something eyecatching like iPhone's app, then why not?
You know the fact: Blackberry got nice working Facebook app, iPhone also got one. What about our so called legendary OS WinMo? The oldest even before iPhone. Not even single decent Facebook app!!!
Am I wrong?
If you count the Microsoft's Facebook app as the good one, then I guess it can't be helped. But I'm really not satisfied with that not-working program.
Some men see things as they are and say why - I dream things that never were and say why not.
Since the first reply was not just go get an Iphone, this reply should be good enough. Just get an Iphone then
Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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that's android, not WM
I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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that's android, not WM
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
JudgeDredd67 said:
The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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Agreed! I think so too!
This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
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Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
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But now, it's used as a standard PDA-Phone instead of businessman.
And most of my friend use WinMo PDAs like TP2, but they only use it for game, facebook, and stuffs.
About hardware, the iPhone's hardware isn't better than today's PDA. Well, the big issue maybe the VGA driver. Today's WinMo isn't equipped with decent VGA drivers. But, blame on the PDA's maker for it.
And about game, I totally agree with you. Stop making those card and tetris game. That's why WinMo isn't well developed. Developers just need to start making those 3D games like -again- iPhone's. There's no better games than iPhone's.
We got far more superior hardware, but why? Why ppl never utilize it? They only make those card and tetris and puzzle game. 2D ugly boring game.
And one question: Can the devs just make a new app with futuristic GUI? Again: Panoramic's moTweets got nice GUI. iPhone like GUI indeed.
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I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
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About screen, I guess you're right. But what I'm talking about isn't the screen size. It's about make those button image looks futuristic and more eye catching. It's about art and graphic design right?
And not to speak bad about MS. I simply lost faith in MS. MS' simple program, their Facebook program for example, can you count it as a good program?
Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Yes, its the ICON and buttons and sort of that things actually needed in WinMo's apps.
You see that we got far more superior hardware than iPhone. But why wasting that resource?
As developers, we can make something useful (not like a bunch of useless crap in iPhone) but in such an artistic way. Just replace those old button with glossy button and more futuristic shape. Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
Another example: Palringo messaging got nice GUI as well. So y'all know I'm not promoting moTweets.
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I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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Yup, I'm totally agree with you also.
This all WinMo's apps are great programs but with crap GUI, in fact this nowadays WinMo's app GUI is like WinMo 2003 app GUI.
And you got my point.
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with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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How slow, even Microsoft don't have any good intention to upgrade such a small program like their Facebook program. And I really laugh about WinMo 7. More bugs will come while the old bugs still there.
The WinMo 7 will got nice GUI indeed, but we're talking about the apps. Take the SMS app for example. It just like the oooolllllldddd WinMo's SMS GUI. Look at iPhone's one. Even though we got threading SMS as well but the INTERFACE is really ugly.
Am I wrong?
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Yes, that's what I'm talking about. You get my idea. I'm comparing the apps and the GUI especialy.
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The question is: Is it really hard to make a good buttons and icons and you know; just to mention a few of it: some nice messaging box, glossy and round-edged button, transparent icon, remove the left-right and up-down old navigation bar that used for scrolling and replace it with kinetic-scrolling, etc etc..
All of my previous mobiles were purely phones that were used for that purpose only. When I decided I needed mobile email etc. for my business a friend who had an HD suggested the HD2 and after reading all the reviews which were pretty unanimous in praising the HD2 and Sense but were very critical about WM, I decided to go for it.
Now what is puzzling me is why so many people are critical of WM? I think it's really rather good and as a business user does eveything that I would ask of it. In fact any problems I've encountered have been with sense and as far as I can see this seems to be the case on this forum as well.
I realise that in it's present incarnation WM is designed for a stylus but on the HD2 with its superb screen I don't have much of a problem using any of the native apps and of course there are plenty of third party apps around.
So am I missing something because I just can't see the downside?
If your introduction to Win Mobile is a device like the HD2 and the resulting user experience then you would be baffled as to what is wrong with it. But keep in mind that the HD2 is exceptional in hardware compared to EVERY OTHER Win Mo device that has ever existed, bar some exceptions.
Most other devices were woefully underpowered to handle an O.S based around a desktop style U.I, never was really finger friendly and the web browser was terrible really until Opera and the others. For me personally, Palm made Win Mobile tolerable to use as well as HTC.
I absolutely agree with you - I have been using WM for years, and at times have used Symbian/UIQ. I used Symbian because my operator gave me an upgrade every year and I was told that the SonyEricsson P series was the best thing for mobile smartphones.
The journalists, almost to a man, agreed with that assessment, showering praise on the P800, P900 and P910.
I do not understand it - to my mind, and for my money, WM beat UIQ unhesitatingly in terms of raw functionality and yet I groaned as I read review after review showering praise on S-E phones and UIQ, saying it was the way of things to come, while damning WM at the same time. There were LOADS of things WM could do that UIQ could not. It was the same when I looked at the ungainly and unusable Symbian Series 60 devices - no touch screen!!! It seems almost laughable now.
At the moment, the journos, who hunt in packs, have it in for WM, and they lose no time in criticising either the OS or any device that uses it.
I agree that WM has long been due for an overhaul, and Apple's iToy has been welcome competition in forcing MS either to upgrade the OS (which it looks like they are doing) or abandon it (which it seems they are not). To my mind, the HD2 just shows what WM is capable of - the best being that it is all there, now, not promiseware.
It is good to hear someone new to WM saying what you are saying - welcome to the club!
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So am I missing something because I just can't see the downside?
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Yeah these days i would agree there seems not to be a downside worth talking about .. The HD2 makes this tired os shine coupled with sense on top it looks modern and works very well .
I come from an iPhone 3G and im really happy with my HD2 and am impressed at the stability of the phone even on these cooked roms .. The 3G was getting dull and the HD2 was just what was needed.
However this was not always my impression or WinMo, i had an HTC Magician many years ago and i can say with 100% truth this was the worst phone i ever owned . If the battery ran out, and it would in a good few hours, the thing would hard reset and wipe all my data, leaving me to recover from backup, HTC issue or windows i do not know but it was bad .. , Windows was so unstable i would be rebooting the damn thing 1 or more times per day .. horrid .. There are many other faults i used to experience on this phone (phone lol) but i have blocked them out my mind for good.
I avoided windows phones for many a year deciding to use, Ericsson, Nokia, Samsung and Apple instead .. When the HD2 came out and i needed an upgrade, all the reviews i read and watched made me rethink my position .. Very happy i did
You're bound to think Windows Mobile is wonderful if you've never used any of its rivals. You need to spend some time on an iPhone 3GS, and then on a high-end Android phone (the Google Nexus One, for example) to get a balanced opinion.
As LordLugard points out, the HD2 is (in many respects) the best Windows Mobile phone out there; and it achieves this by compensating for, or simply hiding, many of the OS' deficiencies. It's a bit like a well-laid-out house with a monster lurking in the cellar - so long as you stay upstairs, you're fine.
Most of the day-to-day operation on an HD2 is not controlled directly by Windows Mobile, but has been skinned by HTC as part of its "Sense UI" front-end. If you ever have to venture beneath that, then things get much uglier. For example, go onto the settings tab, Data Services, and click ActiveSync. This gets you into the SenseUI screen for ActiveSync settings; looks quite nice, very finger-friendly. But you'll notice this is incomplete: there's no way to set the Peak Times. To do this you need to go Start Menu, Tools, ActiveSync, Menu, Schedule. Now you're in the default Windows Mobile screen for controlling the same settings (as opposed to the Sense UI skin). Notice the immediate visual difference, and how difficult it is to click the checkboxes accurately with your finger? Raw Windows Mobile is like that all the way through; it's just that HTC has managed to hide it most of the time.
Performance is another issue. Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on the Windows CE 5.2 kernel - which hasn't been seriously updated in 5 or 6 years. That means core OS operations are coded in such a way that they cannot take full advantage of any CPU that was designed more recently than that. This means that Windows Mobile always runs much slower than competing OSes on the same hardware. It also (for other reasons) is a memory hog. Again, you don't notice this so much on an HD2, because the Snapdragon processor is fast enough, and there's enough memory, that even Windows Mobile generally doesn't slow it down too much. But there are exceptions. If you look at the specifications for HTC's not-quite-released-yet Bravo phone, for example, this runs on very similar hardware to the HD2 (also based on the Snapdragon chipset) but it offers playback of 720p video clips, and the ability to capture 720p video using the camera. The reason the HD2 can't do is because it's running Windows Mobile.
There are general usability issues, too. Notice how many "tweaks" are advertised on this forum that require specially written utility programmes or registry edits to enable? On other OSes you generally don't need to do this: everything works in a sensible way as soon as you take the phone out of the box. Windows Mobile phones are very much ongoing projects - it takes weeks or even months to get them working the way you want. If you're the sort of person who enjoys that, great. And, arguably, if you are an inveterate tweaker, WinMo offers a higher degree of customisability. But many people prefer a phone that just works; and Android and iPhone do a much better job of that.
There are many other issues, too; the complete lack of multi-touch support in the OS is an obvious one.
I'm new to windows mobile, and have to say I don't get why it's put down so much. Sure it's taken me a couple of weeks to get my head around, and sure you may have to tweak settings to get the phone how you want it, but that's half the fun (although sometimes can cause you intense frustration). I've come from an iphone, and whilst this works better out of the box and you don't need to tweak as much, there were still things I wanted to tweak to get it just how I wanted it, but couldn't unless I jailbroke it. When I did this it was much slower at times and more glitchy. I tried several jailbreaks and they were all the same. Blackra1n was the best I found but still upset the phone.
Anyway, back onto winmo, my only negative comments about it have already been mentioned by others. It's not as finger friendly as other OS's, including sense, but it's not that bad really. And it's a little ugly, but again not that bad. The good points far out-weigh the bad imo
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Performance is another issue. Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on..... this means that Windows Mobile always runs much slower than competing OSes on the same hardware..... is a memory hog..... The reason the HD2 can't do is because it's running Windows Mobile.
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Again trying to spread that lie?
I get the feeling that you're paid by Apple to spread this kind of FUD...
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So this is not true ? I was under impression that from the system info pages this is a WinCE 5.02 based OS .. Wrong ?
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Sorry, the quote was misplaced.
It is a WinCE based OS but that does not at all mean that it's slower than in any noticeable way and it has nothing to do with the ability of playing HD video.
Neither iPhone nor Android make use of any of the ARMv7 instructions in order to play HD video (and btw. the iPhone doesn't officially play HD video). Moreover, if you compare Android, Windows Mobile and iPhone OS on similar hardware, you can see that Windows Mobile is just as fast in most of the day-to-day tasks and even faster at some. And lastly, iPhone OS is much more of a memory hog than Windows Mobile, which you can see by comparing the RAM usage of both, and in addition to that, Windows Mobile has much better memory management (which is probably one of the reasons why Apple doesn't allow multitasking).
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It is a WinCE based OS but that does not at all mean that it's slower than in any noticeable way and it has nothing to do with the ability of playing HD video.
Sorry, the quote was misplaced.
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(and btw. the iPhone doesn't officially play HD video).
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Officially, no. Unofficially it can play 1080p video. See, for example, http://gizmodo.com/5045466/the-iphone-handles-1080p-video-just-fine
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Moreover, if you compare Android, Windows Mobile and iPhone OS on similar hardware, you can see that Windows Mobile is just as fast in most of the day-to-day tasks and even faster at some.
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I'd have more patience for that claim if it were not self-evidently untrue. Android apps can be a bit held back by the whole Java architecture, sure; but what exactly is your explanation as to why the HTC Bravo can both play and record 720p when the HD2 can't, despite being based on virtually identical hardware? It's clearly nothing whatever to do with drivers and hardware acceleration. There are plenty of applications that offer hardware-accelerated playback under Windows Mobile. On the HD2 we get hardware-accelerated MP4's and WMV's in Pocket Media Player. On the TG01, the specially customised version of Coreplayer that the phone ships with offers hardware-accelerated playback of any codec that CorePlayer supports. And yet neither application on either phone can play 720p video at acceptable speeds.
I recall that your stated position the last time we discussed this was that a hardware-accelerated version of CorePlayer could not possibly exist (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622393&page=2 posts #18 and #20); this despite the fact that it ships with every TG01 sold and that several people had previously downloaded it from this forum and run it on an HD2 (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613355 ). You then went on to demand that I supply evidence in support of claims I hadn't made. Frankly, your credibility on this point is in tatters; so, can we just drop it, please? Stop trying to derail the thread.
(And before anyone asks, no, I cannot tell you where to download the TG01 version of CorePlayer.)
Officially, no. Unofficially it can play 1080p video.
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That's why I said officially.
hat exactly is your explanation as to why the HTC Bravo can both play and record 720p when the HD2 can't
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Because the Bravo has drivers, the HD2 has not. It's as simple as that. If anyone would make drivers for the HD2, it could play HD video as well.
And by the way, those drivers do exist in the labs of Qualcomm.
Since you are unable to point me to the proof of the Coreplayer version playing 720p in EVERY format, your post is just empty words. Looking at the thread you linked, I can absolutely not see any proof of that. Instead, I can see proof of what I am saying.
Do you always post random links in order to "prove" your lies and hope nobody reads them?
Additionally, your claims that WM is responsible for the lack of HD video playback capabilities contradict the existence of a Coreplayer version for WM that plays HD video. It also proves my point that it's all about drivers and has nothing to do with the operating system.
Truth is, the HD2's inability to play HD video as absolutely NOTHING to do with Windows Mobile. Moreover, your claims that Windows Mobile is in any way slower than the other OSs is just wrong. It is not only just as fast, it also has much better memory management than for example the iPhone, which is why Apple doesn't allow multitasking and while you can run lots of applications simultaneously on a WM device with 128MB RAM, it's almost impossible to send more than one or two applications to the background on a hacked iPhone 3G with the same amount of RAM, which proves that your claims of WM being a "memory hog" are utter bull****, just like all the rest of what you allege.
I'm not going to accept that you spread that kind of bull**** here on the forum. You're a liar (or maybe paid for spreading FUD), and your insistence on those false (and even contradictory) claims is not only ridiculous, it doesn't make them true either.
Same here, I cant find any Major flows in the OS yet!
But when you read about WM in Google, forums! they scare you about the problems!
Yes sure it dosent have as much Apps as other Mobile Os, But every app i need i got in here and a damn fast phone
But sure if compared to older phones it might be unfair.
I am 100% sure that I read in a tech review that Windows Mobile disables the HD functions built into the Snapdragon. Is this not so?
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I am 100% sure that I read in a tech review that Windows Mobile disables the HD functions built into the Snapdragon. Is this not so?
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No, this is not so.
Shasarak said:
You're bound to think Windows Mobile is wonderful if you've never used any of its rivals. You need to spend some time on an iPhone 3GS, and then on a high-end Android phone (the Google Nexus One, for example) to get a balanced opinion.
As LordLugard points out, the HD2 is (in many respects) the best Windows Mobile phone out there; and it achieves this by compensating for, or simply hiding, many of the OS' deficiencies. It's a bit like a well-laid-out house with a monster lurking in the cellar - so long as you stay upstairs, you're fine.
Most of the day-to-day operation on an HD2 is not controlled directly by Windows Mobile, but has been skinned by HTC as part of its "Sense UI" front-end. If you ever have to venture beneath that, then things get much uglier. For example, go onto the settings tab, Data Services, and click ActiveSync. This gets you into the SenseUI screen for ActiveSync settings; looks quite nice, very finger-friendly. But you'll notice this is incomplete: there's no way to set the Peak Times. To do this you need to go Start Menu, Tools, ActiveSync, Menu, Schedule. Now you're in the default Windows Mobile screen for controlling the same settings (as opposed to the Sense UI skin). Notice the immediate visual difference, and how difficult it is to click the checkboxes accurately with your finger? Raw Windows Mobile is like that all the way through; it's just that HTC has managed to hide it most of the time.
Performance is another issue. Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on the Windows CE 5.2 kernel - which hasn't been seriously updated in 5 or 6 years. That means core OS operations are coded in such a way that they cannot take full advantage of any CPU that was designed more recently than that. This means that Windows Mobile always runs much slower than competing OSes on the same hardware. It also (for other reasons) is a memory hog. Again, you don't notice this so much on an HD2, because the Snapdragon processor is fast enough, and there's enough memory, that even Windows Mobile generally doesn't slow it down too much. But there are exceptions. If you look at the specifications for HTC's not-quite-released-yet Bravo phone, for example, this runs on very similar hardware to the HD2 (also based on the Snapdragon chipset) but it offers playback of 720p video clips, and the ability to capture 720p video using the camera. The reason the HD2 can't do is because it's running Windows Mobile.
There are general usability issues, too. Notice how many "tweaks" are advertised on this forum that require specially written utility programmes or registry edits to enable? On other OSes you generally don't need to do this: everything works in a sensible way as soon as you take the phone out of the box. Windows Mobile phones are very much ongoing projects - it takes weeks or even months to get them working the way you want. If you're the sort of person who enjoys that, great. And, arguably, if you are an inveterate tweaker, WinMo offers a higher degree of customisability. But many people prefer a phone that just works; and Android and iPhone do a much better job of that.
There are many other issues, too; the complete lack of multi-touch support in the OS is an obvious one.
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LOL...
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LOL...
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Why do you even qoute that BS?
freyberry said:
Why do you even qoute that BS?
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some ppl might be reading it and think it's fact..
LOL
well this is my first wm phone and what a choice I made,its totally awesome and for me blows all other phones out of the park. I had the Sony satio before this but sent it back after 5 days,I'm so glad I did.as for apps,you just have to look about,there's 1000's spread about....I also know a good site for (free) games....lol
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... I also know a good site for (free) games....lol
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May I remind you of the forum rules - this site is for sharing!
So if you know of a site with some good free (and legal) games, please let us in on the info!
thanks
rjstep3
These days, I've seen way too many threads like "Goodbye HD2, hello Iphone", "Htc Hd2 bye bye" or "Wtf with this phone". I cant stand it. So I want to have a praise thread for our HD2, our beloved and best one, also want to share my opinions on the HD2 and Winmo generally for everyone to see and think.
Here are some type of opinions quite popular these days:
"Windows mobile 6.5 is a dead os for lack of a better term and also know that the development for apps for it is going to taper and die off at some point"
"HD2 is too buggy, laggy, errors"
"Winmo is a waste for HD2"
"Where are the games and apps?"
"Not work out of the box?"
To answer, first of all, I dont care about apps that Iphone or Android has.
I dont play games much now so that's a second point. Although they do have some very interesting like Tunewiki or Layar, that's the only thing I miss from my old 3GS and Hero. And if u paid so many money for games on iphone, why dont paid a 5 Euro more for Fpsece, to have the best experience about PS1 games on a mobile device so far.
Secondly, about basic apps, Winmo wins.
For videos: I dont have to spend hours to find a good convert program and hours to config and wait for the converted file to transfer to my phone, Coreplayer and TCPMP serve them right.
For ebooks: the most popular format is prc, Mobipocket reader wins again, I dont have to convert either.
For office: what can win over office mobile, please show me, I have no idea about this.
And u know what, Winmo has these basic things and apps for free!!!
Third, the true multitask:
Winmo has been a winner since the start. I agree that Iphone can be jailbreak then install e.g Proswitcher, but that's not so convenient like Winmo. The basic thing about Android is it never really closes an app, keeping it running in the background for quick response, but that only makes Android become slower and laggy just like Winmo. But for convenient, and with a power specs like HD2, it's so great in terms of multitask for me.
Fourth, the screen:
HD2 has a great and super beautiful 4.3 inch screen. I can never go back to a 3.2 (Hero) or 3.5(Iphone) now, I will consider for a 3.7 one. Watching photos, videos, viewing documents, surfing. It's superb with HD2. And please dont expect a device with great screen like that to have a good battery life. More than a day with normal usage is so enough. I got 1.5 days or even more than 2 days with my HD2.
Fifth, and the best one imo, CUSTOMIZATIONS
Winmo is the best world for customizations, for devs and chefs. It got history, and it's truly popular, right? I love to tweak my phone, customize it the way I one, change every weeks or even every days, so I cannot get bored with it. And look at this forum, so many manila mods have been built and definitely going on and on. From maxmanilla, cookie home tabs, GTX, all are wonderful and amazing. I cant thank them and all the chefs here enough.
Now, look at Iphone, what can u do with this easy to get bored home screen, except for changing icons?
And even android, it's not easy to customize it without rooting. And things to customize so far? Not much, I see.
For all that has errors, bugs, laggy, I think it's just u to make the phone like that, not the phone itself (if it's not a defective one). Too many report shows the phone works out of the box, count me in for that. I went with stock rom for a month at first with nothing went wrong.
Winmo to me is never a dead OS like it seems now. It's still growing strong in the world thanks to xda, yes, xda is the one that makes it strong, imo. We love to tweak, we love to customize, we love to share our knowledge and stuffs, so we are here. If u just dont feel like to tweak, u better not be here, xda is not some place where u can just complain and complain everyday for ur own faults.
Finally, HD2 is not a waste to me to run Winmo, it's best with Winmo.
Whew, my longest post so far. Guys, dont leave me alone, come and praise our HD2, I know u will.
List the best things u ever had with HD2 and show the world
P.S: it's just my opinion, but we all have private and personal purposes for using mobile in our life, so that we have personal choices on mobile, so please dont flame on me so hard, haha
1. big screen - can see web pages better than my x1a 3" screen
2. software options (still compatible with the software i use on my old phone) tomtom 7 - no need to have a data connection to use gps, slick im - use this when im on the move, option of using several different types of web browsers (ie, opera, opera mini, skyfire)
3. phone is unlocked and can use it as a prepaid phone.
Exactly mate, should have mentioned the chasing game between apple and devs, it's really annoying sometimes. And the price for an unlock iphone is really ridiculous.
You know, I have both the Nexus one and HD2, but I am really thinking of selling my HD2. I love all the things you have mentioned, but texting is kind of a big deal to me. With an HD2, the keyboard so choppy, no matter the rom I try. If I can somehow fix it, bye bye nexus. If not, well...
Just thinking would there be a phone that has a screen larger than 4.3" in the future or this is the biggest already? By the way 4.3" wide is a common size for GPS device.
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Just thinking would there be a phone that has a screen larger than 4.3" in the future or this is the biggest already? By the way 4.3" wide is a common size for GPS device.
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The athena had a 5inch screen.... but you couldn't use it as a regular handset. You needed to use either bluetooth headsets or speakerphone. It was a cool phone, though.
You guys covered it
I agree with everything you guys said, except texting prob, I use swype, love it!! By far best phone I've ever had!! Just added, msvc, love it, just made perfect, better!!
My main reason for choosing HD2 over iphone or android devices is privacy!
I don't have to have apple and google knowing everything about me!
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exactly my thoughts.
I love it because the great hardware I saw this as a newstep after the qualcomm 528 mhz. Wich was used for 3 or more years. This was a newstep for 2 years this will be a fast phone. And the freedom of windows mobile is also great.
Simply the best phone I ever had! Does everything I need and more!
I love my HD2 because it's big, it's strong, it's fast and give me the possibility to customize everything like I want.
I love my HD2 even because makes me different from all the mass of sheeps that walk around with an Iphone and use their phono to simulate a beer drinking and s**t like this.
Having an HD2, like my good old HTC Topaz, makes me feel different and like a pro.
I have always been a win mobile user. love the ability to anything! can send files bluetooth, COMPLETELY change the theme of the phone, and modify the software ANY way you see fit. suck on that iphone.
The only thing I would change would be camera hardware button
They say the HD2 will be the last in windows mobile 6.5. what a way to go out with a bang!!!
windows mobile+huge screen+fast processor= one sick device
I could probably be classified as a (very) dull business user and I have never before cared over what device was put into my hands..
I have used SE, Nokia, HTC, you name it, and even a iPhone for a while, and all worked okay and I did type an occasional e-mail on them but in reality they all fell short, some with clunky e-mail integration other with unsuitable screens for reading long texts.
With the HD2 I have hit "home", I have become truly freed from my office - I can access and work with my e-mails, read trough and review extensive attachment, surf the web, get online with my laptop without hassle trough the WiFi router. First phone I ever used that work seamless with bluetooth both in the car and with headsets.
It's a serious device and not a toy with downloaded flashlight applications.
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You know, I have both the Nexus one and HD2, but I am really thinking of selling my HD2. I love all the things you have mentioned, but texting is kind of a big deal to me. With an HD2, the keyboard so choppy, no matter the rom I try. If I can somehow fix it, bye bye nexus. If not, well...
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Ah well, I agree that this is a let down thing at first, but after few months usage, I'm quite amazed at my typing speed right now
Did u try fingerkeyboard or swype?
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I can access and work with my e-mails, read trough and review extensive attachment, get online with my laptop without hassle trough the WiFi router.
It's a serious device and not a toy with downloaded flashlight applications.
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These are the things that I never bother or want to do with my old 3GS and Hero
Hi,
I like:
1) Screen (come on 4.3 inch MAMA MYA that’s nice step for mobile phones. I will never buy IPhone 4G if it’s less than 4.3 inch screen)
2) Design (Very slim very sexy)
3) Speed (yeah it’s really speedy)
4) Freedom (WOW the best thing. No more F jailbreak)
I don't like:
1) SMS messaging interface (Please anyone know other messaging interfaces? or at least to tell me how to disable the loading of messages as once. I rather like IPhone messaging where it loads small amount of sms in the chat area and load more history sms on request if needed)
2) Battery life (To bad to be in such great device)
zoombay78 said:
Hi,
I like:
1) Screen (come on 4.3 inch MAMA MYA that’s nice step for mobile phones. I will never buy IPhone 4G if it’s less than 4.3 inch screen)
2) Design (Very slim very sexy)
3) Speed (yeah it’s really speedy)
4) Freedom (WOW the best thing. No more F jailbreak)
I don't like:
1) SMS messaging interface (Please anyone know other messaging interfaces? or at least to tell me how to disable the loading of messages as once. I rather like IPhone messaging where it loads small amount of sms in the chat area and load more history sms on request if needed)
2) Battery life (To bad to be in such great device)
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I always have over 400 sms in my inbox, and it loads quite quickly, I think. No problem for me. Why dont u try the old style thread messaging from Energy rom or some other roms?
Thank you for starting this post. I was reluctant to upgrade from my Touch Pro to the HD2 for the lack of a hardware keyboard, which I used constantly. The big, beautiful screen won me over and I'm happy to report that I'm typing as fast as ever now that I'm used to my HD2.
I love the huge screen, HTC Sense (Thanks to Cookie and averyone else, not enough room in this thread), one touch dialing, programs etc, etc.
Every, and I mean EVERY challenge that I had with my phone when I first bought it has been solved by using these forums.
Every, and I mean EVERY modification that I could have dreamed of has been supplied by using these forums.
This has been the case since I started using WinMo and with every device I've owned.
These sour grapes posts by individuals who refuse to take the time to use this fine provision in order to make full use of their HD2 are a slap in the face to the hardworking developers who have brought countless hours of joy to the rest of us who deeply appreciate their work.
To the developers and contributors of this forum: I salute you.
To the individuals who are posting their "Bye, Bye" threads. Please leave quietly, and don't let the door hit you in the iphone.
Oh finally some positive thread for HD2.
So what i love about my HD2.
Speed - lighting fast
Customization - Thanks Winmo 6.5
Usefull Programs - Programs that really matters. Like Resco explorer and image viewer, FPSEce,iGO with multitouch and compass
BIG screen - The Biggest!
Open platform (flashing ROMs) - Can be really fun
Loud speakers - Well maybe too much =)
Capacitive screen with multitouch - Say yes to best gaming experience
How the phone feels in pocket (comfortable) - You dont even know it's in your pocket
But there are few bad things =(
Development - The newest games looks like ripped of java with touch support
Really old core of OS - Winmo 6.5 is quite ugly too
Reset button under Battery cover - lol at this one
KowboyBebop said:
Oh finally some positive thread for HD2.
So what i love about my HD2.
Speed - lighting fast
Customization - Thanks Winmo 6.5
Usefull Programs - Programs that really matters. Like Resco explorer and image viewer, FPSEce,iGO with multitouch and compass
BIG screen - The Biggest!
Open platform (flashing ROMs) - Can be really fun
Loud speakers - Well maybe too much =)
Capacitive screen with multitouch - Say yes to best gaming experience
How the phone feels in pocket (comfortable) - You dont even know it's in your pocket
But there are few bad things =(
Development - The newest games looks like ripped of java with touch support
Really old core of OS - Winmo 6.5 is quite ugly too
Reset button under Battery cover - lol at this one
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Thanks for support at fpsece, KB
About reset button, why dont u try to install the Long Press End Key Reset? That saves me a lot from opening the battery cover
I'm a former user of an HTC Touch Diamond. Thanks to these forums, I was able to customize nearly anything and everything on that device. I retired my Diamond about a month ago when I got my Xperia X10, and I found myself missing my Diamond.
Xperia Pros:
The Screen! The display is huge and amazing!
Android market. So many great apps to choose from.
Android OS. The stock apps and launchers seem really great to use. Lots of features and eye candy out of the box.
Xperia Cons:
Micro-USB / Connector Cover. It has made my 6 mini-usb cables and charger useless, and the cover is annoying to open.
Touch Screen. I found myself annoyed by the capacitive screen. I'm a guy, and I don't feel the need to have soft moist hands. The capacitive screen has given me so much grief, while I never had any problems with any resistive screens in the past.
Battery. I know every complains about battery life, but it was pretty much the same as my Diamond. The only difference is that my Diamond has a huge extended battery available for purchase.
Android market. Tons of "little" apps, but no real powerhouse apps that fit my own needs. I found I needed to download/buy 3 different apps that did the job of one Windows Mobile app.
Voice Dialing. Where is it? My city just enforced some crazy cellphone laws, and I really need this. It sucks on the Xperia. Big time.
Diamond Pros:
Fantastic Apps! S2U2 is amazing. It's a lockscreen that gives you so much access to viewing info (email, sms, etc) without a risk of unlocking your phone accidentally. Magicall let me have push email without the battery use, as well as many other fantastic calling and SMS features.
OpnMarket. Tons of great apps available from FreewarePPC.
Resistive screen. So much better for me than the capacitive screen.
Amazing customizability. Not just the ROMs, since I'm sure the X10 will get a few soon, but everything seemed to be easier to customize and change in Windows. Maybe I just need to learn more about Android.
Diamond Cons:
Tiny tiny tiny screen. This is the only reason I didn't go back.
Windows Mobile stock OS really sucks, and needs all the apps to add the eye candy and features.
Sometimes sluggish with all the hacks, patches, and customizations.
Strangely enough, I find myself sorely missing Windows Mobile. I really wish I could at least find an app exactly like S2U2 on Android. I've tried a few lockscreens, and they don't even lock the device properly. They seem to be just homescreen replacements. Lack of a proper voicedial app on the Xperia is also a huge con. Any other recent Windows Mobile converts feel the same way?
Go put Android 2.2 Froyo onto your HTC Diamond, this might help you to kill some time while waiting for Android 2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692
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Go put Android 2.2 Froyo onto your HTC Diamond, this might help you to kill some time while waiting for Android 2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692
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Well, I tried 1.6 awhile back on my Diamond, and it was unbearably slow. Besides, that would be the opposite of what I want right now. I think I'd prefer Windows Mobile on my Xperia.
You are crazy.
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You are crazy.
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i agree!!! you're CRAZY!!!!
as someone who has come over from windows mobile 6.5 and owning a touch diamond 2 and htc 2, i can tell you, you are crazy.
i have a xperia x1
and yes one more vote for "you are crazy"=..=
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No you're not CRAZY!
100,000 Apps for Android? I think that smartphone users today don't understand that App is short for Application and they're being pretty liberal calling most of what's available an Application.
The simple fact that Google doesn't offer a fast and easy solution for Outlook sync is plain stupid. Even the iPhone will sync with Outlook. The Google "Cloud" sync takes far more user input than WinMo does so it's far from effective.
When WinMo 7 is up and running I'll be putting this Android fiasco behind me.
P.S. if you're a teenage girl then Android should be right for you.
Battery life on the diamond with extended battery and latest stock rom was total and utter **** if you ask me, it was the most useless batterylife of any device i've ever experienced and the diamond overall... ok i did like it when i first got it but that phone felt outdated within 3 months, i love my new x10 and my battery is great, even amazing compared to diamonds. In fact i could drain both the original and the extended on diamond within 32h and the x10 battery ticks way over 48h now with normal useage
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I want my baby back baby back baby back, I want my baby back baby back baby back,I want my baby back baby back baby back. Your delusional dude.
big_raji said:
I'm a former user of an HTC Touch Diamond. Thanks to these forums, I was able to customize nearly anything and everything on that device. I retired my Diamond about a month ago when I got my Xperia X10, and I found myself missing my Diamond.
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I agree to some of it. The lousy not so touch friendly UI of WM never really bothered me as we get to use it less. I love the level of customization that can be done to WM like Panels, Today screen, smart dialer, etc.
I think most of the current generation mobile OS got the luxury of faster processors, more memory to feel more fluid. Each never version is basically trying to catch up with WM capability but with touch friendly UI.
I think the failure story of WM wouldn't have been this bad if only Microsoft invested time to improve their default browser years back and made the menu's, buttons, etc more bigger so they are more user friendly.
I played with my friends HD2 and like it a lot except for the browser.
First of all I bought an Android device because I never thought they were that great but felt it was unfair to criticise without having used one a for a period of time.
Now that I am an owner of several WinMo devices and one Android device I feel I can point out the differences fairly – Sorry in advance to the Android Fanboys.
For someone that is more interested in a useful device for business applications and uses a Windows based PC’s then WinMo is the clear winner. For someone that wants to have a toy for social networking then Android is the clear winner.
I’m sure there are many people on the planet that are so important that they need to Facebook and Twitter/Buzz every single move they make during the day and hopefully they use Latitude so everyone knows exactly where this tremdously important event took place.
Bottom line is that they are 2 different platforms that cater to 2 different groups of people. One isn’t better than the other, they’re just different. WinMo users read newspapers, Android users read comic books. Neither is better than the other, they’re just different.
I’ve spent 2 weeks looking at “Top 10” and “Must have Android Apps” blogs as well as spending time on AppBrain. I’m not saying there aren’t any useful Android Apps but they certainly don’t number in the thousands or even the hundreds. Below is what I found to be somewhat useful but I can still do better on a WinMo device running 6.1 pro.
Astro File Manager
BetterKeyboard
ChompSMS
eBay
GDocs
Imap Weather
IMDB
IP Cam Viewer
K-9 Mail
MyRogers
NetCounter
Newsrob
Quick Reboot
Remote VNC
Roboform
Speedtest.net
SwiFTP
TD Bank
Titanium Backup
Weather Bug
XDA
Wikidroid for Wikipedia
P.S. Using Remote VNC on the Android is like torture. On the WinMo device I can login, do a few quick things and logout while sitting at a red light. To do the same thing with the Android VNC viewer it would be faster to drive home and use the keyboard.
I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
GPdhillon said:
I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
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My point exactly
Just enter the discussion, I still own my HD2 with custom ROM. As Izzy said, if you are a business person WM is the best for you, Even after I purchased Moxier with Widget and stuff its not anywhere close to WM even 6.1. WM is more solid and it is because it has been around for longer and android might be there one day. But reason I chose Android was to go with a different approach and I still like it and not regretting it. As you start developing more things and gets updated to higher Android Version you may become more satisfied.
Part of our problem is SE by locking the phone with their junk which is not useful to all of us. In WM phone you have option to go either with WM solid or their customized UI.
At the end, I am not a person stick to my phone for any longer than 6 to 10 months so in case I need to move to another platform then no problem. Right now, I don't want to go back to 6.5 even with missing option on Android.
Nimche said:
At the end, I am not a person stick to my phone for any longer than 6 to 10 months so in case I need to move to another platform then no problem. Right now, I don't want to go back to 6.5 even with missing option on Android.
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I change a lot too so I'm looking forward to WinMo 7. It may be a nice solution that helps out the business users and still has the social networking aspect that the others are interested in. That Dell Lightning looks pretty dam hot!
I wouldn't be so down on Android if they had out of the box support for Outlook sync.
I'm so sick of ALL of these guys drawing a line in the sand and refusing to support any other features from other suppliers. It's the user that suffers.
Winmo7 is the reason I mo
ved to android I think wm7 is going to start where android was year ago. Breaking the compatibility with wm6.5 stupid thing Microsoft did also taking out copy paste, multitasking the last stra
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I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
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I feel the same too. I used to have a HTC Universal, and there were so many power apps/applications (Whatever you want to call them), that Android doesn't have yet. I didn't even use most of them, as I didn't have a need for them, but at least there was a choice available.
I think Android may soon have this 'choice' that I'm talking about, but I do understand what you mean (@ big_raji).
I share your sentiments regarding winmo 6.1/6.5. Winmo is such a mature platform just like symbian and palmOS. These bad boys of the old gen were not pretty to look at, but they got stuff done.
What boggles my mind is how Android failed to support system wide copy/paste; especially in their native gmail app. Only recently did they start to address this (2.2 update).
Another annoyance I have with Android is its connectivity capabilities. Why can't it do things like tether, bluetooth file transfer, and sync with local storage out of the box?
I know that some of my complaints can be solved with apps in the market, but the thing is many of these features should be standard. That's my problem with the new gen of mobile OS's. They don't look to the past to see what made phones "smart".
I'm in no way downplaying what innovations have been brought to smartphones. I just think that phones these days are more just multimedia consumption devices rather than the productivity assistants they grew up from. That is why I am so nervous about windows phone 7. If microsoft screws that up, all that will be left of the old guard that "just works" as a work tool will be blackberry and symbian^3.
I know I've said a lot. I'm sure people will disagree and take offense, but know that my definition of a smartphone is a device which lets me be productive while being mobile. If it has decent multimedia capabilities, that's also good.
needmoregigs said:
Another annoyance I have with Android is its connectivity capabilities. Why can't it do things like tether, bluetooth file transfer, and sync with local storage out of the box?
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Tell me about it. The first day I started with Android I paired my Bluetooth earpiece, pressed the call button and waited for the X10 to come alive and wait for a voice dial command. After pressing it several times, reconnecting, I googled to discover that Android doesn't do that. Are you freaking kidding me? My 5 year old RAZR does voice dial! Maybe they should have focused on the tools before the toys?
needmoregigs said:
That is why I am so nervous about windows phone 7. If microsoft screws that up, all that will be left of the old guard that "just works" as a work tool will be blackberry and symbian^3.
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Well at very least it will sync with Outlook
I also hope there's a decent VNC version out for it.