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just in case you guys are interested
there supposed to be giving a live webcast about the X1 today at around 1 PST
here is the link
http://www.sonyericsson.com/premiere/
i'm goin to try listen in and see what happens.
Seems i've missed it...
Gonna wait for the recording.
God, won't september 30th come already?
I watched this event and have to say I was incredibly disappointed by it. The phone that Magnus was using was so ridiculously slow that I thought it was actually broken. Really. He had a panel that looked fairly customised with the usual array of time/weather/shortcuts/calendar etc and when he opened the keyboard there was about 3 seconds of delay before the screen rotated. However, it didn't stop there. It only redrew most of the screen. It took over 10 seconds for the phone to redraw the icons in landscape mode. How can this possibly be acceptable? 10 seconds?!!? magnus said he had been using this phone as his personal phone for nearly a year and he said he loved it. How many times has he switched from landscape/portrait and wasted 10 seconds of his life waiting for his phone to catch up.
Further to that, the whole thing seemed ridiculously laggy. He covered it up very well by pressing a button and then talking about the feature whilst waiting for it to load. It was painfully obvious though to anyone in the know what was really going on.
I have seen the recent video on theunwired and the screen rotation looks very fast, which is excellent. But perhaps when you have a more heavily loaded panel that fast screen rotation becomes a thing of the past? Also disappointing was the lack of accelerometer.
I was so keen for the X1 but that was 9 months ago. Now I'm going to wait another month or two and get the Touch HD. It lacks the keyboard, but I'll learn to live without.
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Also saw what you did, but he came on a chat at Modaco afterwards and said that he had a lot of apps open; which could be true...did you see how fast Google Maps came up? Each panel is it's own desktop and programs on it keep running, bound to be a memory hog. He was supposed to be using a retail version also, so should be as fast as the unit at The::Unwired.
To be honest, I never have been happy with my TyTn II for the screen rotation, and looking at video of the Touch Pro it doesn't seem much faster.
Maybe if you set the task manager to close apps when you switch away?
I've just rewatched it and it actually took 16 seconds to rotate the screen at one point!!! Surely that's not acceptable, even if there are plenty of apps running. A device can be made smarter than that with more efficient code.
i didn't get a chance to watch but i dunno i had a lot of really high hopes for this phone but it looks like i might be leaning more towards a touch pro but we'll see how long my wizard holds up before i make decisions about what to do
Webcast
For those who miss it, you can watch it @:-
http://www.inxperia.com/index.php/2008/09/15/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-webcast
There is another (GREAT!) review from Arne available:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-hands-on-with-sony-ericsson-s-latest-xperia-x1-built
As you can see, the switching of orientation is very fast in all examples in this video (today screen, photo browser and opera). The LEDs are amazing and the whole device makes a very good impression to me. I also like the "moving slideshow" feature.
It's quite responsive and even the panels pop up in time.
If the reception quality is also good then this will be definitely my next device.
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There is another (GREAT!) review from Arne available:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-hands-on-with-sony-ericsson-s-latest-xperia-x1-built
As you can see, the switching of orientation is very fast in all examples in this video (today screen, photo browser and opera). The LEDs are amazing and the whole device makes a very good impression to me. I also like the "moving slideshow" feature.
It's quite responsive and even the panels pop up in time.
If the reception quality is also good then this will be definitely my next device.
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yea i'm just lookin at this now and i like this a lot better then that crappy webcast they did earlier
arnie did sony a lot more just then they did themselves
wow after watching the SE webcast I find myself turned off by it, you would think they would of added more razzmotazz? Anyone remember the HTC diamond press release? I'm swaying back back towards getting a pro now
Switching between portrait and landscape mode just seems to take milliseconds only and also the panels start much faster than before.
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Let's hope so.
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wow after watching the SE webcast I find myself turned off by it, you would think they would of added more razzmotazz? Anyone remember the HTC diamond press release? I'm swaying back back towards getting a pro now
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you should check out the other link posted it gives the xperia better justice then that
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you should check out the other link posted it gives the xperia better justice then that
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yep just watched it and I must say it does give it more justice, I'm back to waiting for the release so a proper comparision can happen.
Well the suit guy (what a douchebag...) did say that he has been using THAT device since february, so it's probably some alpha version of the device
While the other video it's the almost release beta version.
I still think the device that modaco have done a small video review of is too slow. I mean, surely we're past the stage where we have to wait for things to happen. I don't want a phone that you press a button then wait for something to happen, or open the keyboard and wait for the screen to redraw. The first Diamond roms were a fairly slow, and after updating mine it was much better, so perhaps something like that will occur with the xperia. If not, I'll be glossing over this sexy device!
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yea same here i just hope my wizard hooks up long enough if not i might have to get a tilt and might wait till refurb's of the X1 are selling
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Well the suit guy (what a douchebag...) did say that he has been using THAT device since february, so it's probably some alpha version of the device
While the other video it's the almost release beta version.
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i know if i had be using my phone for that long with out any backups or a new rom update my phone would have probably been as slow as that also
given that he's not a romhead like us if you don't know what to do with it you'll just let it be unlike us rom start running slow we flash it with something new with the quickness
I'm incredibly disappointed.
Response time for screen switching was a joke ... I've never had an issue with my TyTN or TyTNII ... even though I know some have ... but it was several seconds on the X1 in the video. Also it then seemed to take another 10 seconds to finish populating the screen with icons. The guy then left it open which suggests to me he didn't want to draw too much attention to the time it took.
They were reluctant to answer most technical questions and skirted over the ... it doesn't have tv out one. I was also amazed no one commented on 30FPS performance issues ... I watched the recorded one. I suspect they avoided any difficult incoming questions.
My gut feel is that this will be a very poor showing in it's initial release and if the P series are anything to go by ... updates fixing issues will be few and far between.
This was looking like a dream phone for me ... but now I'm not prepared to buy without trying first hand.
The TouchPro isn't enough of a jump over the TyTN II - same rubbish stills and video and no extra width to the screen ... 800x480 is native for most websites ... so the extra resolution for WVGA makes far more sense than VGA and the G900 showed me there were no issues with apps.
The Touch HD excited me ... and I thought I may get away without the keyboard ... but it also worries me in too many areas ... the first ... although it is 5mp ... the lens is no where as big as the N95 and therefore won't get enough light in to produce decent pictures ... and video is still QVGA which is just crazy for a modern high end device ... it's a little like bring out a car today with a 3 speed auto ... it was fine in '78 with a big old Ford Essex ... but not today. There are also many unanswered questions - Is there TV-Out or not ? How will games be played or those apps that rely today on the dpad - many today screens like Breeze etc ? The touch sensitive buttons ... if they are like the Samsung's we will all be closing calls with out cheeks mid conversation and dialing people when we just pick up the phone to move it.
Why can't these designers think a little. The capability of these phone is amazing now ... but they always miss out those essential things that make a device genuinely complete ... and I don't think it is to hold options for future devices, I just don't think the designers really think things through.
I feel .... very frustrated.
It is always amusing to read the bad and good feelings of all of you here without having one in your own hand. All pre-series and not one of the sold version.
I don't mind this all. I took a great risk to buy the Toshiba G900 with all the bad experiances written about (and the first rom might have been very poor). And what did happen? The G900 is the best manufactured PPC I ever had -best build quality ever seen. With its high resolution it is not slower than my TytnI before. And there you had to wait a good time switching portrait- to landscape-mode.
I am sure the X1 will not only give his owner a very unique design feeling but a good basic to work with. There may be faster PPC, there may be PPC with other features. But most people will buy it in cause of the large screen offering so much more than just 2,8" vga
Buying the X1 will mean not to take the most advantage with games, but texts, internet or similar. Just where the screen has its best sites
if i know htc there will be a Touch HD pro with slide out keyboard after Touch HD
Touch Pro vs Xperia
Touch Pro and Xperia are both extremely powerful sets, but when you come to the point of deciding among the two, it can drive you insane. I know because i spent quite a few days contemplating over the same question. And thus here i try to do a short comparison between the two which may be of use to you.
So here we go...
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, Touch Pro has a smaller screen (2.8'' where as Xperia has 3'') and also lacks in resolution. So Xperia walks out a winner here as well.
3. In regard to camera, Touch Pro and Xperia both have the same camera in terms of MP - 3.2. And both have a camera flash... but considering which one is superior in terms of camera quality, my money is on Sony Ericsson. 'Cos if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch Pro's camera. Video recording is in both, but here the Touch Pro lags behind in video capture resolution. Both mobiles also come with a second camera on the front for video conferencing. So the way i see it, video capture quality improved and with SE's track record of camera performance, Xperia is the winner here.
4. Main interface -
Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here. Furthermore, with the release of Touch HD sporting the same resolution as Xperia and coming with touch Flo 3D, we can actually hope for someone to pull a rip off of the Touch Flo 3D from the HD onto the Xperia sometime soon...
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TF3D has not been ported onto Xperia and man! does it run fast or what! And you have the Panel interface active too! That is just AWESOME!
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch Pro. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point... My cousin has the Touch Diamond and he says that its weakest factor is its battery. (Keep in mind that Touch Pro has a larger battery than the Diamond)
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch Pro!
8. Keyboard - The keyboard on Touch Pro is considered to be the best one out there. As for the Xperia keyboard, we can't say anything for sure about it at this point till the final device hits the market, but taking into account its prototype models, the keyboard on Xperia is behind the Touch Pro.
9. Set Build - The touch pro and Xperia are almost of the same width. Second, the metal look of Xperia is exquisite. Touch Pro's look is really great too, but fingerprints tend to show on the case more than you can imagine. (unless you get the sprint version which has a different back). Third, Xperia is definitely lighter - even though it has a steel case.
10. Navigation - Depends on which one you like, the optical joystick on Xperia or the HTC Wheel.
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch Pro (not sure about this, it is in Touch HD but not sure if in Pro), but none too major to consider here.
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, those LEDs (kinda cool) and more. Plus. There. is. the. fish! panel.
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Updated Conclusion: From where i sit, Xperia is a winner all the way. If you definitely require Accelerometer and TV-Out then go for the Pro, but you'll be missing out on a lot.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
(According to GSM Arena; Xperia also has a secondary video-call camera. Can anyone confirm this?)
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uhm, it's definitely there, nobody would make a flagship phone without video call capability today..., check SE site if you still doubt.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch Pro!
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this is definitely one of my biggest disappointment w/ X1 and one of the things that make me thinking over and over again if I will buy X1, there's also a rather very high probability that this will make X1 suffers badly in the future when WM7 is out.
11. Navigation - Depends on which one you like, the optical joystick on Xperia or the HTC Wheel.
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most people don't know this, but X1 also have 5 ways traditional d-pad which blend seamlessly with that optical joystick - always makes me wonder why it should be called joystick anyway, optical scroll pad would be more fit -
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch Pro (not sure about this, it is in Touch HD but not sure if in Pro), but none too major to consider here.
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X1 also have in call recording feature, I've seen the video in which showing the icon of this feature.
ah 1 other thing, this is going to be nuts, but aside from bengalboy preview and a video from an italian magazine, no other previews out there seemed know about the display rotation button in the X1, and recently somebody said in other forum that the button is missing in the X1 picture @ official SE website if X1 really can't rotate it's display without opening the keyboard then it would be a suicide for SE.
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uhm, it's definitely there, nobody would make a flagship phone without video call capability today..., check SE site if you still doubt.
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Thanks for confirming...
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this is definitely one of my biggest disappointment w/ X1 and one of the things that make me thinking over and over again if I will buy X1, there's also a rather very high probability that this will make X1 suffers badly in the future when WM7 is out.
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Was mine too, till i found out that WM7 is delayed to somewhere in late 2009 or 2010... so no biggie about that. (even if we move to WM7, the only feature i think'll be missing would be gestures, and we can probably live without that)
The only thing about accelerometer is that you miss out on some cool applications/games using that. But i can live without those as well they aren't too huge to be concerned over.
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most people don't know this, but X1 also have 5 ways traditional d-pad which blend seamlessly with that optical joystick - always makes me wonder why it should be called joystick anyway, optical scroll pad would be more fit -
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I knew that but called it a joystick as almost every site lists it that way. (i never knew why 'cos it is a pad and no joystick popping out) The d-pad actually seems very awesome!
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X1 also have in call recording feature, I've seen the video in which showing the icon of this feature.
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Cool... see this is the second thing i didn't know.
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ah 1 other thing, this is going to be nuts, but aside from bengalboy preview and a video from an italian magazine, no other previews out there seemed know about the display rotation button in the X1, and recently somebody said in other forum that the button is missing in the X1 picture @ official SE website if X1 really can't rotate it's display without opening the keyboard then it would be a suicide for SE.
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The button will definitely be there. Magnus mentioned it in one of his video demonstrations... and i've seen others mention it as well. I'll try to look for it...
So now the biggest - and only - drawback of the X1 seems to be the accelerometer. Other than that, it is ahead of Touch Pro in various regards...
I've made up my mind, now you should too.
Best Regards.
The button will definitely be there. Magnus mentioned it in one of his video demonstrations... and i've seen others mention it as well. I'll try to look for it...
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but they never used it, even Magnus himself opened the keyboard everytime! This scarres me
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I would also like to share my opinion that already posted in my thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430501
especially these points :
+/- I like the panels, but IMO in their current condition they feel somewhat raw and lack of polish; the poker style stacked panels are useless and a waste of resources they should have been created something more functional for example like windows XP's filmstrip folder viewing style in which we could be able to switch between panels without having to press the panels button -which feel like unnecessary 'back' button-
- and with my previous point they should have add an accelerometer, so that other than finger swiping between panels (ala touch flo) perhaps we should be able to shake the X1 to switch between panels. (oh come on SE, even W910 had this, why not your flagship?)
- I'm not convinced as to whether SE has done a good job in reshaping the default WinMo UI or not, in fact based on previews, I didn't see anything has been done to it, they (SE) just babbling over and over and over about the panels
- I'm also worried about the pre-installed software, there are no info about anything else than Opera and handago client (which are quite useless in my country due to slow, somewhat unstable and rather expensive 3G cost) that will come with the phone, and it caught my eye that they integrated contacts in multimedia panels! Isn't it weird?
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but they never used it, even Magnus himself opened the keyboard everytime! This scarres me
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Lol! yeah... he does use the keyboard to switch the screen in every video. Though this button to switch the screen has been talked about in many videos, only two or so actually show it. From what i understand, this functionality was confirmed from the start but missing out on the prototypes. (We'll definitely get a preview of this by someone once it is officially launched tomorrow)
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+/- I like the panels, but IMO in their current condition they feel somewhat raw and lack of polish; the poker style stacked panels are useless and a waste of resources they should have been created something more functional for example like windows XP's filmstrip folder viewing style in which we could be able to switch between panels without having to press the panels button -which feel like unnecessary 'back' button-
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The panels default look - all 9 panels side by side in a 3x3 grid - does not look that appealing once you think of it, but in actuality they look awesome. (i have felt the same way as you, but once i watch a video, i love 'em again)
Of course switching panels by flicking your finger to the right or left would be an awesome feature, but i like the way it gives you quick access to all 9 panels with a click of a button. Not to mention, you can switch the panel view into card flow like or some other... (that to me is more cooler than the flicking - having all panels in a arced row like a hand of cards and then you swipe your finger over them to bring each one to the top and then select the one you want)
This definitely is a per-person opinion... but i am sure that their panels will come with a more polished look and feel once the final device is launched.
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- and with my previous point they should have add an accelerometer, so that other than finger swiping between panels (ala touch flo) perhaps we should be able to shake the X1 to switch between panels. (oh come on SE, even W910 had this, why not your flagship?)
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An accelerometer in the mobile would have made it A+++. But why didn't they add it is beyond me. They really should have, but they didn't. Apart from it having had a cool affect on the panels, the most it would have offered would have been a couple of cool games, which i can definitely live without.
On that note... i wish they had made the keyboard on the black on also black.
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- I'm not convinced as to whether SE has done a good job in reshaping the default WinMo UI or not, in fact based on previews, I didn't see anything has been done to it, they (SE) just babbling over and over and over about the panels
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Their panels are the UI. Just like Touch Flo 3D is the HTC touch Diamon/Pro/HD UI. In my case SE has done more in terms of UI for the WinMo device that HTC... the Touch Flo 3D is pretty static - in terms that there is not too much customization happening for it. But for the panels, they can be ANYTHING!
I'm waiting for them to support C# or VB.Net in the Panel SDK so that i can try out a few things on it... but believe me, with the Developer SDK for Panels, the sky is the limit. (well not literally, but the UI is panels here - so let me just say: BE CONVINCED!!!)
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- I'm also worried about the pre-installed software, there are no info about anything else than Opera and handago client (which are quite useless in my country due to slow, somewhat unstable and rather expensive 3G cost) that will come with the phone, and it caught my eye that they integrated contacts in multimedia panels! Isn't it weird?
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All the default software will be there, like Microsoft Office, Adobe, etc. They didn't cover that in videos 'cos what's the use of covering them? We will probably see a full list of softwares and features once the phone is released tomorrow. As for the contacts integrated into the multimedia panel... Hmmm... i haven't really thought about that much.
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- rather small onboard storage
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This is one other actual flaw in Xperia (other than there being no Accelerometer). But then most of the others also have rather small on-board storage... and rely on MicroSD (including Touch Pro and Touch HD).
Only the Touch Diamond has a 2 GB (or bigger) internal memory, but then that has no expansion slot.
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Their panels are the UI. Just like Touch Flo 3D is the HTC touch Diamon/Pro/HD UI. In my case SE has done more in terms of UI for the WinMo device that HTC... the Touch Flo 3D is pretty static - in terms that there is not too much customization happening for it. But for the panels, they can be ANYTHING!
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I wasn't talking about 'home screen' UI or UI that built for the most used apps or on the top of WM UI, something like that, no.
I was talking about the UI after we dig more deeper into the OS....let me give u example from TP and Omnia taken from gsmarena review
Once you get past the Home screen and all the finger sweeps and animations though, all you are left with is muddy waters of the not-so-thumbable Microsoft OS. We are not against Windows Mobile by any means, however having to poke about your device with a little stick called stylus is so 1990s.
HTC however have made some efforts to tweak up the core Windows usability too. Some of the most used system settings, contacts management, and the messaging department have all benefited, and so have image and web browsing.
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Samsung have chosen to replace the contacts list with a touch optimized application of their own. It's accessible from the Samsung MainMenu and it's rather iPhone-like, or let's say iPhone-inspired. You can scroll the contacts by dragging your thumb across the display or quickly jump to a letter (iPhone way). The contacts list can be easily sorted by memory (Phone or SIM), by Name, company or Category, or you can easily search by gradual typing.
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nah, something like that, do you get my point? In most of X1 videos I only seen the standard WM UI I even yet to see any thumbable on screen keyboard in X1, it just shown the standard and disappointingly small qwerty on screen keyboard...
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HTC however have made some efforts to tweak up the core Windows usability too. Some of the most used system settings, contacts management, and the messaging department have all benefited, and so have image and web browsing.
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Hmm... well, in Xperia most system settings are tweaked for touch-screen. Furthermore, there is an Application Panel as well - which is completely touch-friendly and lets you browse the applications, etc. with ease. This brings me to my initial statement that we can replace core UI by panels easily in Xperia.
Contacts Management - as you probably saw - is completely touch friendly in Xperia and is their own implementation. Messaging, images, and web-browsing are also tweaked/improved.
I'm going to try and get you some videos that i saw a while back.
As for the on-screen keyboard; i for one will be using the actual keyboard for typing and stuff, but i am sure that the keyboard on xperia will be touch friendly and hopefully better than the default one. (i have seen the Touch Keyboard on Touch Pro and it is somewhat the standard one as well)
As for the on-screen keyboard; i for one will be using the actual keyboard for typing and stuff
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as for me, I will be using the keyboard when I want to type something long or perhaps when I already use the device in landscape mode or like while browsing...but I'm rather lazy to open the keyboard just for replying/creating an SMS and I'm sure most people would also feel the same. That's why a comfortable on screen keyboard is almost a must for me.
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as for me, I will be using the keyboard when I want to type something long or perhaps when I already use the device in landscape mode or like while browsing...but I'm rather lazy to open the keyboard just for replying/creating an SMS and I'm sure most people would also feel the same. That's why a comfortable on screen keyboard is almost a must for me.
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There is a video at Tracy and Matt blog that goes into the Control Panel and other sections of the mobile... definitely tweaked for touch experience. but i couldn't find any that showed the on-screen keyboard...
So basically, all concerns apart, the major concern that remains is what kind of an on-screen keyboard does it have?
Just get this one, its free and iPhon-ish:
http://www.pocketcm.com/screenshot.php?v=3
1. Really? Specs show 256, Touch Pro has 288.
2. Xperia is a "winner" unless you consider the fact that most applications won't work with its screen... Bigger, yes, but odd proportions.
3. Xperia's camera is better because of auto touch focus, conceded.
4. You can't be serious, panels better than TF3D? TF3D looks 10x better, but the panels are more functional, I give it a tie at best.
5. Bigger battery, yes, and according to specs Xperia has 180 mins more of talk time... Better.
6. HTC manufactures both phones, I don't know where you're going with this one.
7. No poor 3G reception at all for me, people like to complain.
8. If you've used a phone with an accelerometer you realize how much more fun it is, not just for games.
9. Xperia keyboard looks like junk, said to feel "mushy", and only 4 row. No chance.
10. Where are you getting this information?! "Touch Pro is thick, Xperia is slim"... Really? Touch Pro = 18.05 mm, Xperia = 17mm... I didn't realize 1mm made a phone "thick" instead of "slim"
11. I like the touch pad better, so I'll give this one to Xperia
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1. Really? Specs show 256, Touch Pro has 288.
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256 MB was old specs... RAM was boosted up to 384MB for the final device a couple of weeks back.
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2. Xperia is a "winner" unless you consider the fact that most applications won't work with its screen... Bigger, yes, but odd proportions.
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This was one my main concerns as well - but prior to HTC announcing the HTC touch HD (same resolution as Xperia) and others also moving towards the same resolution. So in the long term, IMO Xperia is a winner.
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3. Xperia's camera is better because of auto touch focus, conceded.
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At-least you agree with me on one thing...
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4. You can't be serious, panels better than TF3D? TF3D looks 10x better, but the panels are more functional, I give it a tie at best.
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I said that TF3D is amazing looking and better even that what we've seen so far for Xperia Panels... BUT keep in mind that with the customizability of Panels and the Developer SDK out in the open for Free, we will see new panels coming out real soon... and that my friend is going to be the turning point here. Xperia Panels may not be as glossy as TF3D - which i said in my post - but they are more customizable and new panels/interfaces can be easily applied. From the looks, though TF3D is better looking, we can expect same level or better panels to hit soon - but for now TF3D wins in terms of look. But from a functionality stand-point Panels win...
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5. Bigger battery, yes, and according to specs Xperia has 180 mins more of talk time... Better.
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Yay! Another one!
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6. HTC manufactures both phones, I don't know where you're going with this one.
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I know HTC Manufactured both devices, but SE has a hand in the non-hardware related stuff in Xperia - or rather Xperia is a SE device not a HTC device... you know what i mean...
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7. No poor 3G reception at all for me, people like to complain.
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It isn't called complaining according to my dictionary but is rather a comment based on experience. He is not satisfied with the reception of 3G on his touch pro... but you don't face any lack of reception. It's as simple as that.
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8. If you've used a phone with an accelerometer you realize how much more fun it is, not just for games.
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Actually... i've been carrying an iPhone for over an year now. Accelerometer is pretty much the bomb (one of the main features) but it is definitely something that one can live without. Even after an year, the Accelerometer is mainly used for games and fun utilities - which i already pointed out... but it is also used for switching to landscape automatically in applications, but then again hitting a button to switch isn't that big a deal either.
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9. Xperia keyboard looks like junk, said to feel "mushy", and only 4 row. No chance.
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Have you actually played with it? And need i remind you that anyone who has played with Xperia so far has done so with a Prototype set. We can't come to a final conclusion based on the review of a prototype set. But anyays, like i said, Touch Pro's keyboard is considered one of the best.
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10. Where are you getting this information?! "Touch Pro is thick, Xperia is slim"... Really? Touch Pro = 18.05 mm, Xperia = 17mm... I didn't realize 1mm made a phone "thick" instead of "slim"
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Ahh. My mistake. When i was writing the comparison, i checked the thickness of Touch Pro and i thought it said 20 but i was looking at something completely different. I'll correct this in the main post right now.
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11. I like the touch pad better, so I'll give this one to Xperia
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The touch pad is better!
I'm copying this from the other thread... as it answers some of your statements in further details:
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As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
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The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.
@Black93300ZX
Concerning 3G reception and Touch Pro: Just do a search and you'll find a lot of people complaining about that.
The same for Diamond - the devices are very equal concerning this weakness.
But I would never try to convince someone to buy a Xperia instead of any other phone, I just wanted to mention it, because it's very important for me. Do with this information whatever you want.
If you like the HTC Touch Pro better: Go for it.
The screen size alone makes the Xperia a winner to me, don't know why the HTC phones seems to be stucked with 2.8 screens.
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The screen size alone makes the Xperia a winner to me, don't know why the HTC phones seems to be stucked with 2.8 screens.
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HTC Touch HD has a bigger screen...
I don't know if this is the final product or not, but seriously I can't find the rotation button there maybe you can see it?
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other than that, these photos look awesome!
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The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!
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1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...
Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
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The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD
The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.
two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.
I know you'll hate me.. so hate away!
i bought 2 x X1's A Touch Hd... and an Omnia too...
Trying to get one of the Korean Omnia's at moment too...
So far.. got the TF3d on the x1's.. and managed just to get the Sony Panel kinda running on the Touch HD too.. I will tidy it up.. so i can choose what i want on what.
Well at least you will be able to say which device you like the most and why
They are all yours? How many money did you spend?
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I know you'll hate me.. so hate away!
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Hold on. You're not through yet: You still need to buy a Asus Galaxy 7, HTC Quartz, Nokia 5800, and while you're at it, a Meizu MiniOne
boba23 said:
So what? My BMW M3 Convertible should arrive in 3 weeks. I'll send you some pics as soon as it's here ;-)
boba
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May I be the first to say: who gives a flying f^&@?
Buying and bragging about a car to make up for lack of something?
harvsingh, how do you intend to get the new Omnia from Korea? Seen it online?
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I know you'll hate me.. so hate away!
i bought 2 x X1's A Touch Hd... and an Omnia too...
Trying to get one of the Korean Omnia's at moment too...
So far.. got the TF3d on the x1's.. and managed just to get the Sony Panel kinda running on the Touch HD too.. I will tidy it up.. so i can choose what i want on what.
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how is the call loudness and clarity of the HD?
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how is the call loudness and clarity of the HD?
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Good.
I returned an Omnia because it was too small (easy to drop), too slow, and it had lots of crackling noise during calls.
No such problems on the HD.
Easy guys...
I did spend alot of lolly.. all sim free.. and nearing the 2k mark..
I do have more money than sense... but i got peed off with all the.. coming soon.. nearly.. we are going to stock it.. and no-one could actually answer some really straight questions..
Does it support Line 1 and Line 2
How quick is GPS lock
How usable in the hand is it.
What is lacking...
so on.. so forth
So i bought them ..and i'll pick and keep the best.. and offload the others i don't want
I initially thought.. 2 x1's.. one for me.. one for mrs
then she liked Omnia.. so.. thats that
then the HD... larger screen... blah blah
(i've found the Touch HD is just thin... but.. it lacks a DPAD.. and the size of fonts and menus as default are pretty much for the blind! there seems no point at general use to have all those pixels.. and set it up to use your big stump/club of a finger.)
May aswell just get a 6500 super big stupid thing,, and set the font up.
The X1 is a good phone. easily pees over the Touch Pro i had.
trumps it in every way.. which is really silly considering they could have tweaked it.. re-shaped (like Touch diamond is on T-mobile) and sold it as a Touch HD Pro. job done
I've got Touch Flo 3d on the X1.. and they run sweet!
i've managed to wedge the Sony Panels onto the HD.. but it totally runs first run .. panel view.. jiggling around panels... fish .. google... spb... x1.... sony panel...... but not after a reboot.... needs alot more work to make it solid.
i asked for help... thinking everyone would love to have the X1 front screen running on the HD... but not one person is assiting me.. so i will do it as i can
omnia from Korea.. i/collegue may have a trip due in the next few weeks.. so may just walk in.. and buy one.. and bring it back
Personally...
The X1.. i think takes the cake.. over the HD... but i will say.. i'd be very tempted with the korean omnia.
Touch HD spec... but in a samsung solid case.. and a camera that is better than the turd on the HD. I have managed to get the Sony Xperia cam app working on the HD also... bit better.. but pic is still not brilliant..and don't forget.. no camera
enough rant.
yes.. calls are clear on the x1's and hd...
prefer the shape/hold of the x1 tho
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Does it support Line 1 and Line 2
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dunno.
How quick is GPS lock
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In my testing so far it seems to be fast enough. See other threads.
How usable in the hand is it.
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The HD is very usable. The Omnia is for a child's hands, is too slippery, and is easily dropped.
What is lacking...
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HD is lacking a good camera, but I don't buy phones for their cameras.
so on.. so forth
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Maybe you didn't ask it the right way. I'm just guessing
So i bought them ..and i'll pick and keep the best.. and offload the others i don't want
I initially thought.. 2 x1's.. one for me.. one for mrs
then she liked Omnia.. so.. thats that
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Yes, it's good for smaller hands.
then the HD... larger screen... blah blah
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Don't dismiss that too easily. Bigger screen means everything to some of us, even more than GPS, camera, 3G, etc.
(i've found the Touch HD is just thin... but.. it lacks a DPAD.. and the size of fonts and menus as default are pretty much for the blind! there seems no point at general use to have all those pixels.. and set it up to use your big stump/club of a finger.)
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A D-PAD just takes up valuable screen real estate for me. I have no use for a D-PAD. I suppose if you're trying to play shooters that would be a problem
The font sizes are customizable, and should never factor into whether you are going to buy a smaller or larger screen phone.
A stylus is essential for maximum productivity, instead of big stumps. Luckily, the HD stylus doesn't require prying it out with your fingernails to remove it.
May aswell just get a 6500 super big stupid thing,, and set the font up.
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No touch screen.
The X1 is a good phone. easily pees over the Touch Pro i had.
trumps it in every way.. which is really silly considering they could have tweaked it.. re-shaped (like Touch diamond is on T-mobile) and sold it as a Touch HD Pro. job done
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X1 is too small a screen. Needless keyboard. Us stylus writers don't care for that misappropriation
I've got Touch Flo 3d on the X1.. and they run sweet!
i've managed to wedge the Sony Panels onto the HD.. but it totally runs first run .. panel view.. jiggling around panels... fish .. google... spb... x1.... sony panel...... but not after a reboot.... needs alot more work to make it solid.
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I'm a minimalist: I disable TouchFlo, and use Start + Magic Button. No fancy icons or "panels". Today is filled with just a few essential items, such as Mail, Communicator, Calendar, connectivity, and time.
i asked for help... thinking everyone would love to have the X1 front screen running on the HD... but not one person is assiting me.. so i will do it as i can
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I don't know enough about the X1 Today screen, so I don't know whether I'd like it or not. When you have a CAB ready, let us know.
omnia from Korea.. i/collegue may have a trip due in the next few weeks.. so may just walk in.. and buy one.. and bring it back
Personally...
The X1.. i think takes the cake.. over the HD... but i will say.. i'd be very tempted with the korean omnia.
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A minimum screen size of 3.5"is a requirement for me. Small screens strain eyes and make blunt fingers seem even blunter. Low-res but large screens prevent web pages and emails from displaying well.
The HD is the first WinMo GSM phone in 1.5 years to have a 3.5" screen and VGA or higher resolution, without being too thick or large to fit in a small pocket. This is because it uses the space wisely, instead of cramming D-Pads and keyboards onto it.
Touch HD spec... but in a samsung solid case
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Hold on, the X1 does not have HD spec.
HD: 3.8" screen, X1: 3.0" screen
HD: .5" thick, X1: .7" thick
The 3.0" screen pretty much kills the X1 for me.
... and a camera that is better than the turd on the HD. I have managed to get the Sony Xperia cam app working on the HD also... bit better.. but pic is still not brilliant..and don't forget.. no camera
enough rant.
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The HD's camera is worthless, but I don't buy phones to use them as cameras, even occasionally. Only if there was a once-in-a-lifetime chance and I had to capture something or lose it, would I consider using a phone camera. Otherwise I'll use D-SLR.
harvsingh said:
yes.. calls are clear on the x1's and hd...
prefer the shape/hold of the x1 tho
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So overall you prefer the X1 to the HD?
boba23 said:
So what? My BMW M3 Convertible should arrive in 3 weeks. I'll send you some pics as soon as it's here ;-)
boba
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I got the joke, boba.
I've ordered a Touch HD. I've been dealing with GPS lag on my TOuch Pro since day 1...its when you are further ahead than where the gps is reporting you to be by 3-5 seconds.
Can you report if the Touch HD has GPS lag or not..and what gps applications you tested? I've herd Google so far is the only one that lags on the HD.
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Easy guys...
and no-one could actually answer some really straight questions..
Does it support Line 1 and Line 2
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I answered that in a topic about it... The HD supports Line 1 and 2, the Omnia with Orange software does not. With generic software, it does though. Not too strange, right?
Indeed... I have read the comments...
I like the touch HD.. its a good attempt. Poor is the fact that with a little layout change.. the bottom 4 buttons could easily have had the X1/omnia type optical pad put on aswell.
Therefore.. you;d have a control for volume/up and down.. and skip forward and back when in coreplayer/mediaplayer.. seeing as it is very much penned as a media/internet/3g work/play horse / Iphone direct competitor.
I think the HD would be better if i could get a rom stripped of the large menu's everywhere... and get it to run as a PDA and then add large menu's/enable/disable.. and even better.. if you choose a layout that needs finger use.. or if your current layout warrants stylus
As for the Spec of X1 and HD being same... give or take a bit of ram ..i was on about internal goods.
Keyboard..i'm used to the TYTN II size... so.. moving to a more compact one.. has caught me out a few times...
But.. i for one.. did like the X1 panels.... i think it's thinking out of the box... (SE could easily have taken the TF3d...and re-skinned it.. but didn't)
I have done a proof of concept... that makes the X1 Panels (kinda) work on a HD
Anyways...
I got the panels kinda working...
It's only a proof of concept.. and after a reboot.. i cannot access them.. something freaky going on....
It shows it working. and quicker than the X1... just slightly.. but quicker.. All panels have been tried.. and work.. fish.. google... sony.. live (new panel from SE...)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443723
have a look... I think they look 100 times better than TF3d.
I don't want to make this reply sound as a flame but seriously....
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then the HD... larger screen... blah blah
(i've found the Touch HD is just thin... but.. it lacks a DPAD.. and the size of fonts and menus as default are pretty much for the blind! there seems no point at general use to have all those pixels.. and set it up to use your big stump/club of a finger.)
May aswell just get a 6500 super big stupid thing,, and set the font up.
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It's a misconception that a phone NEEDS any UI hardware buttons at all. We can pretend that the iPhone is crap all we want but it demonstrates how to make a good interface. Imagine putting a DPad on there... The screen would be little over half the size making it uncontrollable, and yes, then you suddenly would require a DPad or a stylus to navigate it, because your "big stump/club of a finger" certainly wouldn't cut it.
For the blind? On so many winmo phones I need a freaking stylus to find a contact, which is stupid. I've never seen a Blackberry or an iPhone require a stylus to find a contact... or for anything at all for that matter... Thank goodness they now feature devices with huge screens and great UI's so that I can use my big, clumsy stumps of fingers to GET WORK DONE
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Touch HD spec... but in a samsung solid case.. and a camera that is better than the turd on the HD. I have managed to get the Sony Xperia cam app working on the HD also... bit better.. but pic is still not brilliant..and don't forget.. no camera
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What do you mean with a bit better? Is the camera application better, as in does it have better features? Because certainly the camera application does not make your picture any more "brilliant"... The picture is a direct feed from the sensor which you can manipulate but you can't make the quality any better.
"Touch HD spec" is a little more than just hardware, and even that just doesn't match with the samsung... Why would anybody buy a phone because of specs alone? Any good smartphone has GPS, WIFI, fast processor, 3.5G, what not. Care. The silly Omnia interface versus the HD's touch flo for "blind people"? I'd take the HD every time.
HD power consumption
how is the HD's battery holding up? can you get at least one day out of it with decent usage?
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how is the HD's battery holding up? can you get at least one day out of it with decent usage?
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Would love to know this as well. If battery life is good my Xperia may be going back (nothing wrong with the Xperias battery BTW).
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I don't want to make this reply sound as a flame but seriously....
It's a misconception that a phone NEEDS any UI hardware buttons at all. We can pretend that the iPhone is crap all we want but it demonstrates how to make a good interface. Imagine putting a DPad on there... The screen would be little over half the size making it uncontrollable, and yes, then you suddenly would require a DPad or a stylus to navigate it, because your "big stump/club of a finger" certainly wouldn't cut it..
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I totally disagree.. The Pad i am talking about is the 10mm x 8mm high square pad found on the omnia and X1. the simple touch sensative pad... not the rocker around it. Samsung have done it fine.. and if the 4 keys were spaced...this would have been perfect nested inbetween...
just out of interest.. how do you skip forward on a video you are playing in Coreplayer?
oh.. you drop to windowed view.. then skip forward.. and replay.. well.. thats crap. the x1.. i just swipe over the square pad side to side for forward and back.. and up and down for volume. T.I.D.Y!
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For the blind? On so many winmo phones I need a freaking stylus to find a contact, which is stupid. I've never seen a Blackberry or an iPhone require a stylus to find a contact... or for anything at all for that matter... Thank goodness they now feature devices with huge screens and great UI's so that I can use my big, clumsy stumps of fingers to GET WORK DONE.
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I agree.. but this should be a choice!... EVERYONE on here , wants to alter or change the standard form shipped by HTC, To make it more usable for each person.
That is what this whole place is about..
Taking what HTC have.. and make it different for differnt people.
I like the big ease factor buttons..and menus.. but maybe some would like a more tidy.. more informative display and they would rather use a stylus at times.
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What do you mean with a bit better? Is the camera application better, as in does it have better features? Because certainly the camera application does not make your picture any more "brilliant"... The picture is a direct feed from the sensor which you can manipulate but you can't make the quality any better. .
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"The Camera application is better... and has more options..the original has pants all"
"Touch HD spec" is a little more than just hardware, and even that just doesn't match with the samsung... Why would anybody buy a phone because of specs alone? Any good smartphone has GPS, WIFI, fast processor, 3.5G, what not. Care. The silly Omnia interface versus the HD's touch flo for "blind people"? I'd take the HD every time.[/QUOTE]
As i said earlier.. everyone to their own.... The omnia interface... is pants. That was declared as a better frontend. But M2d goes on.. and also the SPB shell.. which is good enough for that phone.
Anyone want to chuck another log on... ? anyone with marshmallows.?
harvsingh, your modesty knows no bounds.
jealous? no. like someone said i couldnt give a flying _ _ _ _.
Hello
First sorry if this is in the wrong forum, I'm new to smartphones and Android and have a bit of a dilema!
I have an Xperia X10i and am supposed to be exchanging it for a HTC Desire next week, for reasons I will go into, but my big question first is am I making the right choice.
I got out my X10 yesterday after another delay with getting the HTC and after finding some UI changes and other apps on these awesome forums, I am starting to like the X10 more.
Sure the battery lasts about 9 hours but I'm looking into fixes, other things I didn't enjoy, like the UI I have changed with the awesome ADW Launcher.
Now the main reason I wanted to change the phone was, and this is going to sound really childish and stupid, but was for multitouch, well that and the newer version of android, which I think the X10 will get eventually, however for some reason I feel I need multitouch?
When getting a smartphone I looked forward to playing all my old Snes Roms etc on the way to work on the train, which is nigh on impossible to do properly without multitouch.
I installed the Wiimotion? app to use a Wii mote on my X10 which is awesome but won't help when I'm on the train.
Now I know that's a bit of a frivilous reason but I dunno, seeing all my work colleague pinch and zoom and playing Monkey Island and Conta got me jealous.
I haven't used a Desire but had a quick go of a mates Legend and wasn't blown away or anything. I actually think I prefer the look/style of my X10, but I still like the Desire, I know the camera's better on the X10 but that's pretty much it isn't it?
So there is my question really, should I change my X10 for a Desire, mainly for the updated Android and Multitouch!
I've posted this in X10 and Desire forums, again sorry if thats a no-no.
If you feel that you need multitouch than you should get a device that supports it. The X10 doesn't support multitouch either in software or in hardware.
Android will be updated on the X10 soon, either by SE themselves or the community so that is not a huge issue.
Just a heads up the Desire has the same multitouch problem as the nexus one look it up on youtube if you dont know what i am talking about. hope that helps
Just seen that vid thanks for the heads up
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
How about the Samsung Galaxy S? I would pick that over the Desire.
Wow, the multitouch on the N1 is horrendous. :O
I assumed it'd be atleast good considering that it's a google flagship phone.
Cinner said:
How about the Samsung Galaxy S? I would pick that over the Desire.
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Just checked, and I don't think it's available on TMobile, shame it looks a good phone. Thanks anyway
I have an X10 but i think the Desire edges it (for me anyways).
The reason being it's HTC and they have stronger support both from HTC themselves and from the Devs on here on XDA. They have also established themselves as the main player for android devices, and have more experience.
I accepted the intial shortcomings of the X10, with knowledge that the updates would be coming in a timely fashion. This includes both android and performance.
They have not and i'm not just talking about OS.
Basic Telephony - Call Volume
Input- entries not recognised by the digitizer, both keyboard and mediascape.
Functionality -Playlist creation
Sense is in it's 2nd revison and is very stable and I expect to see 2.2 and future versions on that device one way or another. I can't say that with same amount of confidence for the X10.
SE have made a very decent effort with the X10, but their support for the device will be it's downfall.
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Dear Rakber,
If I were you, I would definately go for the desire. My teacher has got a desire and Ive got the X10i but I was blown away when I saw how good the desire is.
Take your chance before its too late!!
regards,
hiraj_panosian
X10 support the multitouch Hardware.... but it is limited by the OS 1.6...
With the update in 2.1, multitouch will be a reality on X10 !!!
OS 1.6 limite the number of colors dispayed (65K on 1.6, X10 can display 16M)
Video record in 720p will be possible on 2.1 too.
With same OS version (2.1) X10 has more advantage than Desire.. beautifull screen, camera (APN) and Video are Likely an Real APN SONY 8.1Mo...perfect colors, defeniton... The camera of Desire is Medium, Poor..
THe X10 is better on 3D, sound of MP3 is perfect !! great bass !
Advantage of Desire, the update is more frequent, and quickly...
As for me, My cousin have the desire, and i a have the X10, i prefert my X10 !!
X10 is recently rooted, then I think some devs will adapte the HTc Software to the X10
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X10 support the multitouch Hardware.... but it is limited by the OS 1.6...
With the update in 2.1, multitouch will be a reality on X10 !!!
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I'd love to see where you got that info, because everyone else including Sony Ericsson says that the HW doesn't support multitouch.
Thol said:
X10 support the multitouch Hardware.... but it is limited by the OS 1.6...
With the update in 2.1, multitouch will be a reality on X10 !!!!!
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Can you provide your se source for this piece of daydreaming information lol
You do know that they have stated the x10 does not and will not support multitouch as it is limited by both hardware and software!
Thol said:
X10 support the multitouch Hardware.... but it is limited by the OS 1.6...
With the update in 2.1, multitouch will be a reality on X10 !!!
OS 1.6 limite the number of colors dispayed (65K on 1.6, X10 can display 16M)
Video record in 720p will be possible on 2.1 too.
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It's this kind of misinformation that led me to believe the X10 would be the better phone in the long run. To fair to Thol even SE support anaylsts were telling me it was a software limitation just days before release.
According to SE it will never support multitouch it's a limitation in both Hardware and software!
As for the 65k colour limitation SE have not been entirely clear on this point especially as the smaller devices ie mini and mini pro have a spec sheet that states the screen is capable of 16 million colours.
Both the mini and mini pro are on 1.6 too. Now if that's true why does Mini on 1.6 support 16m and the x10 on 1.6 support 65k??
Cheers for the replies guys.
Yea I've read conflicting reports on the multitouch being hardware or software limited, and the same with the screen colours, it's bloody annoying!
Another question which Thol made me realise is what's the mp3 player like on the Desire as that's probably the other main thing I use my phone as, it's seems pretty good on the X10, but as long as it sounds good and dosen't pop and crackle?
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Yea I've read conflicting reports on the multitouch being hardware or software limited, and the same with the screen colours, it's bloody annoying!
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The thing is, Sony Ericsson themselves have stated and confirmed the hardware does not support multitouch. Please don't listen to these stupid rumors: they come from people who bought the X10 and regret not having multitouch and they want to believe by some miracle the X10 will get multitouch through a software update.
As for the 65k colors: I believe I read this is a hardware limitation as well, but I can't find any sources so maybe someone else can confirm or deny this with a valid source?
ddewbofh said:
If you feel that you need multitouch than you should get a device that supports it. The X10 doesn't support multitouch either in software or in hardware.
Android will be updated on the X10 soon, either by SE themselves or the community so that is not a huge issue.
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From everything I've read the X10 will not support multitouch.
But it will support an equivalent function using one finger that may be superior to multitouch as you can do all the same functions but can do them with one hand. I think we will be getting it with the next major update.
There was an app demonstrating this function but I deleted it and now cannot find it.
And fwiw, I am more and more falling in love with the elegance of the X10 in spite of some bugs and limitations.
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From everything I've read the X10 will not support multitouch.
But it will support an equivalent function using one finger that may be superior to multitouch as you can do all the same functions but can do them with one hand. I think we will be getting it with the next major update.
There was an app demonstrating this function but I deleted it and now cannot find it.
And fwiw, I am more and more falling in love with the elegance of the X10 in spite of its many bugs and limitations.
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I've just found a vid on youtube with the zoom slide function, I think it's the same one you mean, it looks good but it wouldn't help me with the game side of multitouch I think, which is the main reason I'd want it sorry,
Cheers though.
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Can you provide your se source for this piece of daydreaming information lol
You do know that they have stated the x10 does not and will not support multitouch as it is limited by both hardware and software!
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http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x10-2964.php
Dispay type : TFT Capacitive = Multitouch (normaly)
Sorry, X10 is not Multitouch:
"Despite the capacitive technology, the X10 display won't be getting multi-touch support even with the latest OS."
>I realy think it can be multitouch, Sony have afraid about Apple's lawers... Htc Not !
Hosnestly, i had a iPhone 3G, i'd never use the Multitouch function... perhaps only on a game : air Hokey with my son (multi players)
But it is really 16M color :
"Sony Ericsson have also promised that Android 2.1 will at some point be available for the XPERIA X10 enabling the full use of the 16M color-ready display."
For a serious test :
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x10-review-463.php
For MP3 player, the X10 Player is more pretty, but too limited fuctions (no remote supported), I use MixZing (free, but with ads), it support this function (remote).
SE promise a update of the player (media scape) some time after the OS update...
Htc's devices are better for their software...But as i said, some devs will adapts these software on X10 too...
rakber said:
I've just found a vid on youtube with the zoom slide function, I think it's the same one you mean, it looks good but it wouldn't help me with the game side of multitouch I think, which is the main reason I'd want it sorry,
Cheers though.
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No reason to be sorry at all.
I just hope you enjoy whatever you get as much as I do the X10
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I'd love to see where you got that info, because everyone else including Sony Ericsson says that the HW doesn't support multitouch.
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they said that about x10 mini also but they find a multitouch digitizer in it so don't believe sony as it is god