Dear Developers
Let me start by saying I am not singling any one rom, developer, product, update or person out. I am speaking in a general sense.
We love all your roms. We love the hardwork you do. Some of us may run your rom, and some of us may not. Thats the beauty of these roms and XDA....choices, there are many ways to skin a deer.
We all have our personal preferences, some of us are users and some of us are developers. Some of us may have rooted with toast, some of us may have went the unrevoked route, in the same fashion some of us may have went with the Amon_RA recovery others may have went with Clockworkmod recovery, fake flash or full nand unlock.
The request is to the developers to sign their roms, updates, fixes, etc that way no matter which recovery you are running, they can be flashed, with out having to jump though hoops, flash different recoveries, download apps, or sign them ourself
Some of us are technologically sound enough to handle swapping out recoveries, signing apks, and doing what ever is needed to get the results we are looking for. I would say most of us fit in this category. Some of us however do not fit in this category, we were all new to this game at one point and time and we have learned. The task is simple enough, and you might say well, if they dont know how to do this then they need not be using my rom. While that is a valid argument, its kind of counter productive to the board, and the overall development of the device.
The benefit of signing the files is so they can be universally flashed, This in return stops the posts in development threads asking why they are getting errors when performing certain tasks.
I am not a developer, I am a user, It is your rom, it is your choice, Im able to sign files and do whats needed to flash files that are not signed, so for me it personally doesnt matter, but on behalf of a certain group I ask all developers to at least consider our plea.
Thank you and please keep on rockin' the evo developement
not on my behalf
fair request....Now, whether they chose to listen or respond is another.
Very much indeed. I will continue to use roms signed or not. I chose to write the letter to merely to maybe help those that may be having problems with things. If I'm out of line im really sorry and my intent is to not offend any one
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not on my behalf as well
not on my behalf
This is an honest request. Those posting "Not on my behalf" are part of the "Some of us are technologically sound enough to handle swapping out recoveries, signing apks and what not." This letter is obviously speaking on behalf of the "Some of us are not however." group, regardless of the wording. Although I have never had this problem, if it only takes a little extra time before posting, then i say why not sign them? It would make me feel safer if they were.
Keep your unhelpful comments to yourselves.
+1 for the OP.
Signing all the roms so they can be universally flashable would not only be more of a convenience for the users flashing said roms, but it would also keep threads clean of noobs saying "OMG DAMAGED PACKAGE WHAT DO I DO!?"
Sure, it isn't that big of a deal, but being able to pick and download a rom while I'm on the go, then flash that rom without a computer is so damn convenient. Unless it's possible to sign the rom on the phone, this issue definitely tethers users to their computers again.
Besides, we're all about sticking it to Sprint with that extra $10/month, aren't we? I download every rom I get over EvDO.
Nice letter OP.
For all you nattering nabobs of negativity, he wrote the letter looking out for Evo users of all levels of expertise. He was also suggesting not demanding it. There is nothing wrong with some semblance of uniformity.
Now, getting all the Cookers to agree to doing it is another thing. If one or two most popular Chefs can start this trend, it is just a matter of couple of weeks before it catches on.
All of your hard work is very appreciated developers! This has made my transition to Android so much more fun and exciting. Thanks guys!
*Thumbs up*
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+1 for the OP.
Signing all the roms so they can be universally flashable would not only be more of a convenience for the users flashing said roms, but it would also keep threads clean of noobs saying "OMG DAMAGED PACKAGE WHAT DO I DO!?"
Sure, it isn't that big of a deal, but being able to pick and download a rom while I'm on the go, then flash that rom without a computer is so damn convenient. Unless it's possible to sign the rom on the phone, this issue definitely tethers users to their computers again.
Besides, we're all about sticking it to Sprint with that extra $10/month, aren't we? I download every rom I get over EvDO.
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lol definitely gotta get your moneys worth out of that data plan
i like the idea of this but it is a matter of choice just curious how would one sign apks or roms themselves? is there a thread here about that?
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lol definitely gotta get your moneys worth out of that data plan
i like the idea of this but it is a matter of choice just curious how would one sign apks or roms themselves? is there a thread here about that?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=473580
Mast3rpyr0 said:
This is an honest request. Those posting "Not on my behalf" are part of the "Some of us are technologically sound enough to handle swapping out recoveries, signing apks and what not." This letter is obviously speaking on behalf of the "Some of us are not however." group, regardless of the wording. Although I have never had this problem, if it only takes a little extra time before posting, then i say why not sign them? It would make me feel safer if they were.
Keep your unhelpful comments to yourselves.
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+1, I agree.
hmm ive never had to sign apks or roms before, didnt on my hero and havent had to on my evo yet. what cant use unsigned apks/roms?
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+1, I agree.
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I agree as well. Most of the old school guys (myself a member since the ppc 6700) remember what this community used to be about. If the attitude was the way it is now, back then, xda wouldn't be what is now. There are definitely some super newbs on the board, but some kind of regulation wouldn't be too bad as far as guidelines for releasing roms or at the very least how to post them. I've seen way too many posts where people update the roms, but fail to at least update the first posts information on installing different bug fixes.
The easier solution here is to just remove signing checks from recoveries when applying zips manually. The signing doesn't verify that a file isn't corrupt, a zip checksum does that. It also doesn't make it any more secure, since the signing private key is... public.
Removing the check from all recoveries (other than when installing via /cache/recovery/command) it makes it easier for all parties involved.
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The easier solution here is to just remove signing checks from recoveries when applying zips manually. The signing doesn't verify that a file isn't corrupt, a zip checksum does that. It also doesn't make it any more secure, since the signing private key is... public.
Removing the check from all recoveries (other than when installing via /cache/recovery/command) it makes it easier for all parties involved.
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+1, that needs to be done
uhh unless i haven't been checking xda enough, i don't remember any roms being released unsigned. both clockworkmod and amon_ra's recoveries check for signatures, but it's removable in clockwork.
do you mean something more along the lines of theming? as in, you're not sure how to do an adb push or something of that sort?
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I didn't remove the signature verification check in this recovery and I never plan to. I don't want people to flash corrupted zips and "brick" their phones. Please inform those rom-devs to sign their update files.
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What he said.
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Hello all, i expected to see work done on a custom rom by now. I know the bootloader wont accept any old rom but are we not able to make modified version of the current R2 rom and flash it over our current one? Speaking of bootloaders has there been any progress on getting the bootloader opened up a little?
All the best
I guess work is still being done on it as seen in the custom rom development thread.
Ppl need to stop nagging about when it's going to be done..
it's not like the devs have the bootloader cracked and they are enjoying it by themselves whilst telling us that it hasn't been cracked just to watch us suffer..
if they have it, they'll post it.. what i don't get is.. ppl keep asking about the progress of the work.. what's it matter to you guys... it's not like knowing where they are is gonna help any of us end users atm.. also, it's not something that's been done before.. so they maybe 99% done, or 2% done.. they just won't know until they actually crack the bootloader.. just wait patiently man
Agreed, I don't know why people have to constantly open new threads acting like ...hey, if I ask in a new thread, I bet they'll answer!
Unfortunately the world is full of people that think others owe them something. When they finish, and make a useable step guild JUST LIKE ROOT, they will release it and we will all be happy then. Until then, sit on your hands and don't type any more useless posts. Please and Thanks
I'm a total noob with the inside of the android OS.. and the Win6.1 Os on the X1 before.. but what I am is appreciative of a bunch of people who are prepared to work and share their results with the world, and then to top it off, right up guide lines so the rest of us can enjoy!
/hattip to devs !!
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Agreed, I don't know why people have to constantly open new threads acting like ...hey, if I ask in a new thread, I bet they'll answer!
Unfortunately the world is full of people that think others owe them something. When they finish, and make a useable step guild JUST LIKE ROOT, they will release it and we will all be happy then. Until then, sit on your hands and don't type any more useless posts. Please and Thanks
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OI!!! STEREOTYPICAL GUY HIDING BEHIND HIS INTERNET CONNECTION!! calm it, there is a serious lack of people attempting to create custom roms (at least in the public eye), i was hoping this would spark off discusion about how we would go about doing it, you actually sicken me with your lack of manners! you would NEVER say something like that my face and thats a fact. mainly out of fear that i would punch you in yours for complete disrespect if nothing else, i was actually one of the people telling people to shut up asking for root to be achieved over and over, i am simply seeking information on what stage things where at, where there any one with custom roms in the works. I am a nice person who asks polity for information . i dont nag i dont demand because i dont feel that i deserve anything. you're the real scumbag here not me.
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OI!!! STEREOTYPICAL GUY HIDING BEHIND HIS INTERNET CONNECTION!! calm it, there is a serious lack of people attempting to create custom roms (at least in the public eye), i was hoping this would spark off discusion about how we would go about doing it, you actually sicken me with your lack of manners! you would NEVER say something like that my face and thats a fact. mainly out of fear that i would punch you in yours for complete disrespect if nothing else, i was actually one of the people telling people to shut up asking for root to be achieved over and over, i am simply seeking information on what stage things where at, where there any one with custom roms in the works. I am a nice person who asks polity for information . i dont nag i dont demand because i dont feel that i deserve anything. you're the real scumbag here not me.
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that's because your feeble mind is unable to comprehend the fact that the bootloader isn't cracked, or the implications of that. there is absolutely no point in a custom rom until this is done
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Mr. Sabianadmin, you should first do some research of what it is required to load a custom Rom in the Android world. Maybe you are coming from the Windows Mobile world and root has a different meaning.
Anyway, this thread is useless because there is no going to be chefs developing custom Roms without the bootloader being hacked. Once the bootloader is hacked and there is a custom recovery for the phone, I am sure tons of chefs will appear with new custom Roms. May I suggest that you go and read the wiki of other rooted Android phones (there is one for the HTC Magic) to educate yourself.
zephyrix said:
that's because your feeble mind is unable to comprehend the fact that the bootloader isn't cracked, or the implications of that. there is absolutely no point in a custom rom until this is done
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How many highly qualified software developers do you know with a feeble mind in that regard? i know its not yet cracked. im saying editing the current stock rom thats ON the device and then transfer, this method was in fact used during the rooting process. (or can you not remember back that far?)
Also *Sent from my X10a using XDA App* should have read Sent from my ass under the guise i was positively contributing,
go do somthing like try and look for methods to patch/circumvent the signing process like i currently am instead of annoying me.
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Also *Sent from my X10a using XDA App* should have read Sent from my ass under the guise i was positively contributing,
go do somthing like try and look for methods to patch/circumvent the signing process like i currently am instead of annoying me.
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wow.. that's the most childish comment i've come across since.. yesterday (hahha surprisingly there ARE a lot of ppl like you on the Internet)
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How many highly qualified software developers do you know with a feeble mind in that regard? i know its not yet cracked
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yes.. you may be a higly qualified software developer..
you maybe trying different ways to prevent/circumvent signing processes..
but if you are a so-called highly qualified software developer, you SHOULD know that if the bootloader hasn't been cracked yet, it's NOT GOING to fire up any discussions among the chefs as you say since it would be totally useless when the bootloader actually gets cracked..
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Speaking of bootloaders has there been any progress on getting the bootloader opened up a little?
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and you SHOULD know that there really is no way of knowing how far the devs have accomplished in terms of progress until the bootloader is actually cracked for public use...
also, just because you are 'working' on other ways, it doesn't mean you can say
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i expected to see work done on a custom rom by now.
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the devs don't owe you anything... it's not like you are their boss and you assigned them a task that was due last week. you write as if you just wrote some innocent comment with no ill intention, but you gotta understand that comments like above really pisses ppl off..
sure some devs maybe doing it for the bounty.. but it still doesn't mean you get to nag at them .. you say you weren't nagging but that you were just simply asking questions.. well my dear.. THAT WAS NAGGING..
I hardly post here, this is known.
Even still....The end of the month is coming up for early adopters. Still no custom roms. This is not good news.
I pondered a resolution...and other than returning for a refund and waiting for the fascinate, I couldn't really come up with anything.
About a month ago, I was fortunate enough to read a donation thread in this section of the boards that was titled: "help buy a droid x, for developer" .
Obviously that idea has been done. So i thought what can be better?
im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.
Uh...
No, thanks
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im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.
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sure, thats a bad idea for a couple of reasons, legal issues come to mind
we have root with froyo coming soon and the sbf just came out. id say were doing pretty good for being three weeks from launch. enjoy it for what it is and enjoy the goodies as they come. There arent many we dont already have.
custom roms dont entice people? LOL. wow.
That is all that the X needs, as it will add longevity to the device. Being binded to motorolas software release schedule, really blows. This is a great unit, it just needs some work on the software. Said fixes that most likely will only be done by devs on these forums.
Thanks LegionTHEFecalExcretion, i knew about the security breach and the sbf. Hey, at least you offered somewhat of an answer and not some peabrain bot rebuttal.
The encryption keys are, I'm very sure, tightly controlled at Motorola. Most companies have software design/build control where software ready for compiling gets checked in and typically encryption keys are locked away within these build control systems.
This means that, not only do you have to raise enough money to make it worthwhile for the person to potentially lose their job and get sued, but it's not usually all the average-Joe programmers who have access. It's probably the higher-up project managers or coding leads.
I just don't see the donation pile getting big enough to entice someone already making a very good living to take a change on losing their livelihood and getting sued over it.
Why not just enjoy the phone, be happy with the current root abilities, and know that at some point we will be able to load custom roms. Yes I want to load a vanilla rom just as bad as the next guy, however I am tired of seeing people ask "are you done, are you done, are you done yet?, how about now, now? maybe now"?
Give some breathing room to these guys, maybe they have kids, jobs, wifes, a life.
I don't understand why you guys have to be mean to the guy. He is new to the forum and probably new to smart phones. He may even have very little knowledge of what a programming environment would be like and how great the downside could be for someone to leak said information. He had what he thought was a good idea and was a b it ignorant. That does not mean he should be treated like crap.
I have some advice for you omni, go get yourself an iphone and leave this forum... i can't believe that you would have the mentality to whine about some of the brightest minds that we have come to respect in this forum, complaning that they don't work fast enough for you... your a very selfish person who has no right to treat the respected members of this forum in such a way.
I for one love this phone and will continue to use it with or without custom roms...
And a special thanks to those working on the bootloader/ custom rom programming... we will wait for your perfection.
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Some phones are easier to work with then others. The DX has not been out that long, have patience.
As an example the Droid Incredible was rooted and a custom recovery added pretty dang quick. On the other hand the Droid Eris took awhile to root and even then, some Eris users had "upgraded" to one of several "leaked" roms and could not root while others that did not leak could. I was a "leak" adopter and it took them several more months to finally get root for the "leaked" Eris owners.
Give it time. They will figure it out eventually.
Or go get something that is more customizable, like the DInc.
Just putting it out there that I would love to be a tester for the Galaxy SII, I have the original one, I have flash and went through 90% of every ROM up for it in both sections the original section and regular section, I just love flashing and going through Roms and would love to just help out someone with there Rom and do whatever it is they need me to do as far as testing, please hit me back. I hope I posted this is the right place if not, I will watch the Noob video 20 times in a row for punishment.
ah ok...... that's an idea
Original SGS II ? No kidding! :|
At first, I thought of this as just a pointless thread - but you got me thinking... What if we were to create a thread where people can nominate themselves as alpha/beta/etc. testers for ROM/Kernel developers? The difference lying in that to be eligible for a position, you'd have to prove that you have basic knowledge of how to recover from, for example, a bootloop, or a device that won't even boot, or constant FCs, etc. etc., along with again, pretty basic ADB knowledge, how to create and restore a NANDroid backup, and things like that. It'd come with the usual disclaimer stating that all responsibilities lie with the user, not the developer, and while the developer may be willing to provide support for bugs, etc., they are not liable for any damage resulting either directly or indirectly from the use of their software.
This would solve two things - it would satisfy those who just can't stand to wait for the release of something, who like to always live on the bleeding edge of development, and it would provide the developers a huge testing platform.
In review, though, this provides to main issues: 1) people would only be able to test one thing at a time, e.g. you're not going to be allowed to test a beta ROM with an alpha kernel, for example - it creates too many variables, and makes it harder for the developers to isolate and fix problems - but this shouldn't be an issue for people, just pick what you want and stick with it, and 2) people who leak the otherwise tester-restricted software for the masses - but this can be solved easily: maintain a list of official testers. Anyone who comes begging for support because they went ahead and flashed some leaked ROM/kernel/whatever, and ended up without a working device without being on the list, can be denied support for breaking the rules. Moreover, they, along with the leaker, could potentially face site-imposed bans?
I'll cut the rambling here, but I think it's a good idea?
As a ROM developer, its a great idea.
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Thinking about it, not bad idea. But to back sceamworks up a bit, there should be a number of post limit, Some form of history for the dev`s to see who is a Noob (sorry Noobs) and who is not...
I'm in
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I like the idea and I too would be glad to help people testing there ROMs.
It also seems nice to have a thread where people (like me or the OP) can set them self available for testing.
Most real developers pick their team from watching the threads and see how is willing to put the time in and know how to properly test as well as offer ideas on fixes. But not a bad idea I guess for new rom developers
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Thinking about it, not bad idea. But to back sceamworks up a bit, there should be a number of post limit, Some form of history for the dev`s to see who is a Noob (sorry Noobs) and who is not...
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I agree completely, I'd say 50-100 would be a fair starting point? I might PM some devs sometime soon with a proper proposal, and if I get a positive response from a majority of them, I might draft something, and get some official names on-board.
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Most real developers pick their team from watching the threads and see how is willing to put the time in and know how to properly test as well as offer ideas on fixes. But not a bad idea I guess for new rom developers
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I considered this, and I think if anything brings the idea down, it'll be that - it's a hard sell to make, and I'd love to say that there's no harm in trying, but really, there is, so I guess execution is everything?
Good idea, im in....
hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
here is a link http://www.mobile-inform.com/content/view/1148/1/
this is early alpha. you take all responsibility on yourself. I do not recommend you to use this rom, but if you still want to use it - here it is
UPD Updated To ThatRom v2 (AtrICS)
all thanks to the author of ThatRomv2 (AtrICS), i made only the Installer!
With best regards
the_fly
I don't think that it's a good idea to make an automatic installer of something that it's no stable for someone who doesn't even know how to use fastboot nor flash a zip. Maybe when this finally reaches the stable "level", then you should do the Installer.
BravoMotorola said:
Maybe, until you're not annoying, you should stfu. Seriously stop trying to tell people what to do.
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Wow dude, that was really uncalled for. He is actually right because now the op has put himself in a position to be harassed by anyone who tries this and messes up their phone even though they should and do know the risks. He was just trying to be helpful, he wasn't attacking the op for making it.
I agree making an unstable, untested, developer test build easily available to newbies is a very bad idea. If they can't at the VERY least learn how to use fastboot and adb, they should come nowhere near this ROM. Unless of course you really want to be held responsible for dozens of bricked and/or unusable phones, and be expected to provide extensive support at all times.
if they are noobs - it is their problem. Everything is written befoure me.
Everyone takes responsibility for their actions.
There were several noobs who were crying about ICS even if they do not know what to do. and they are happy now, despite the bugs.
I am not, but i made for those who are. I am not going to tell anyone to install it, i did only help, but i suggest nobody to install it.
It doesn't work and you know it. It's as if there was some paid software that people want, and you made a crack/patch for it, and then you say you don't advise using it. Do you really think people will stay away just because you advised so? No, they won't. In fact in that case your disclaimers make no difference whatsoever, you are equally at fault for making it available as they are for using it. Why do you think all anti-piracy companies always go after crack makers and distributors and not so much after users? I mean many crack makers also advise against using their cracks. But people are stupid and never listen, and in in the eyes of many crack makers are the original offenders.
Or if you want a different analogy - go find a mentally unstable person who can't really think straight (may seem offensive but noobs who want test builds on their phones clearly do not know what they're doing), then place a bottle of some drugs and a fresh needle within easy reach, and then tell them you advise not using it. Observe what happens.
IMO this kind of things are best dealt with preemptively, by not even making the potentially controversial stuff easily available.
you see, i've made first script of unlocking the boot a year ago. a lot of peole thanked me. they were happy - they unlocked once and than used other ways to change the firmware. They were noobs, but happy noobs. 18 000 downloads (i think some of them were same persons, for example me - while i was testing, or when i was unlocking for my friends), but only 4!!! broken phones. 2 of them caused by bad motherboard and 2 of them by ignoring the manual and all the warnings.
This one is more easy one. less questins. less work. just use it.
and if person already have unlocked boot there will be no problem with this FW
and i want to mention it again some users are happy enought with this fw. Some do not have reboots, some have but for them it is ok.
You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
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hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
With best regards
the_fly
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Thanks agurzhiy!
I am a proud noob who used your unlock script and will use this one.
For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this". It's my choice what to do with my phone and agurzhiy providing us noobs with a possibility to participate in the effort to make it better.
The bottom line is instead of criticize why don't you spend this time and energy on creating and helping the community. Remember you were ones noobs too.
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e07015 said:
You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
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i think everyone knows that it is alpha rom. nobody is going to install a script if if nobody knows what's inside. But i will add that it is alpha
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For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this".
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You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.
Is this just a fastboot script or an bootloader unlocker and ram fix etc etc
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You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.
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I do not think that this is an argument. It is more like sharing different views on a subject.
I know what you mean, you want to prevent (or at least warn) noobs from taking the risk of bricking their phone and you are right 100%. But let me ask you how many of XDA readers are dumb enough to download some thing like this without reading at least a bit about it(*). Give ppl a little credit, most of us will stop on red light although it is possible to continue. Take me for example: I wanted to use nebtop but had a difficulty to understand how to root. Than mramirezusa came out with Automatic bootloader for noobs like me and boom - now I'm using the atrix as a streamer and without this tool I couldn't do this on my own. My point is that having a possibility to do stuff is highly appreciated.
* Ryan Dunn: If You Gonna be Dumb - You Gotta Be Tough.
this is a fastboot script to make it faster and easyer for a noob
UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows
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UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows
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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?
Zeljko1234 said:
IMO, you should stop spending so much time here on the forum arguing with people. Don't get me wrong but your posts are usually quite offensive (example what I saw today). You post almost in every thread, smartassing noobs, playing to be moderator... If you know something, share it, if post or thread is against the rules, report it.
Now you're arguing with guy who made first script of unlocking the bootloader and in the same time insinuate that many of xda members are just dump.
Forum, especially xda, is about sharing knowledge not giving useless advise/comment or to google it.
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Sorry everyone for off topic.
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We try not to feed him, Zeljko1234... Just let him be.
Your point is well deserved; but don't feed the trolls.
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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?
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Why don't you argue with epinter or any other person who put ThatRom?
Why are you arguing with me?
i made the thing easier, but i am not responsible for the uncomplete software. some people are lazy to use fastboot, but they know how to use it (i have flashed my phone 3 times while testing some of options to find out how it works)
other do not have enough knowledge to flash, but it's thair dream to have it, they are ready for the bugs and they alwas can ask me to help them to flash any other FW. And if they have unlocked boot - they can use CWM.
And the last group - the people who are just afraid to install after a lot of information about locking bootloaders. In russian community forums i've read 10 such questions from people who i know, from people who know how to use fastboot.
And if person do not want to install it - he may not install it!
I'm thankful to everyone who share knowledge. Even if I don't use everything, I usually download or read just to learn how. Without such guys, Internet itself will be mostly useless.
Do not blame anyone (especially epinter) for your mistake. He and many others guys spend a lot of their private time to figure how to do something, developing, supporting... and then sahre for free! As I can see, very rare they get donation. Almost never for the most loudest complainers which just wait that someone else will do something for them.
As I explained, as long as you are willing to stick around and help people with issues they encounter after flashing this, and provide more detailed instructions that people can read in your first post, it's not an issue.
Low thank count makes the more seasoned members cringe, as people release stuff that brick phones then disappear (it happens), leaving the community in a state of unrest trying to figure out the full impact of an unmaintained release, how many users were affected by the release, and a common way to fix the issues, and it leaves it up to other developers to explain to every xyz person to read this thread, read that thread, or flash this to fix.
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Although my immediate concern is with my phone, OnePlus 5, the following remarks may well apply to all phones and all custom ROMs.
Most of us install a custom ROM and root our devices for three reasons: customisation, long(er) battery life and avoiding Google's invasive habits (disable Wakelocks, disable Alarms, debloat, etc.).
To my great disappointment, many of the developers do not care to follow new paths. The result is that most "custom" ROMs are frighteningly similar! Trust me, I have tried more than a few, almost all which are available. Developers borrow features from each other (notice how many acknowledgements there are in the introduction to a "new" ROM) and hasten to include many of the things we are trying to avoid! The result? It is ridiculous to have a "debloater" for "custom" ROMs. But it exists, and it has its own (very well visited) thread.
What does this show? That someone should dare to do some real work and some real research. Please, spend some time learning what does what. Ask Google. They are legally bound to respond.
I am tired of uninstalling crap from my "custom" ROM.
Give us a really slim ROM and, if you like these Google apps so much, tell us what they do and where we can find them if we need them. Yes, true, I know some apps cannot be installed afterwards, but I much prefer to lose some obscure functionality than spending hours uninstalling things from my "custom" ROM. (IFAA's etc. etc.)
Also: it would be nice if you do not choose a messaging app for us. Do not choose a browser for us. Do not choose themes for us. Tell us, instead, where we can find them, where you so diligently stored them awaiting for their lovers. Let us have a really, really, slim ROM.
Why the sudden rush of idiots who can't read the development forum rules?
"Give us"
Apart from this post being totally inappropriate in development thread, it is also arrogant, in my view.
Why don't you ask for your money back instead....
I do not need to respond to a rude comment, which is based on the "forum rules", as if this is some kind of private enterprise which I invaded and defamed. I thought that one of the reasons for the existence of such fora is the free expression of ideas....
So, you have been offended because I said "give us"? What should I say? Go down to my knees and beg? Spare us the semantic acrobatics and respond to the essence of the post, if you think you have something to say. I do not have to be here, neither do you or anyone else, and sarcasm is welcome, if and only if it also touches on the main issues. Otherwise, it is an "ad hominem", unjustified idiocy.
P.S. I am sure that if the contents is inappropriate, some moderator will delete my post.
Anti-root said:
I am sure that if the contents is inappropriate, some moderator will delete my post.
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No one moderates posts, until someone complains. You think moderators are paid salaries?
Being humble is always a big plus in this forum, but you show the opposite. You can freely exchange ideas without being arrogant. Nobody owes you anything, but you behave like an angry consumer, who is not satisfied with a product and wants his money back. So, don't expect anyone to address the 'essence' of your 'idea'..
Learn about compiling a Rom, it's actually not that much of magic as it looks like at first glance. Then learn how to remove the features you don't want, it's also not as difficult if you want to invest a bit of time and brains. Then you can have a Rom that entirely suits your own needs
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I do not need to respond to a rude comment, which is based on the "forum rules", as if this is some kind of private enterprise which I invaded and defamed. I thought that one of the reasons for the existence of such fora is the free expression of ideas....
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Actually no, a private forum is running based on its own rules, free speech can be performed on a different place.
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So, you have been offended because I said "give us"? What should I say? Go down to my knees and beg? Spare us the semantic acrobatics and respond to the essence of the post, if you think you have something to say. I do not have to be here, neither do you or anyone else, and sarcasm is welcome, if and only if it also touches on the main issues. Otherwise, it is an "ad hominem", unjustified idiocy.
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Self-entitlement and a demanding attitude is the last thing we want to see here, where the developers are freely sharing stuff with us from their free time, this only entitles us to be respectfull, nothing more
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P.S. I am sure that if the contents is inappropriate, some moderator will delete my post.
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here you are almost right, I`d close this thread now considering that you`ve got your answer, it was going nowhere anyway and btw I have moved it to the correct area. The OnePlus 5 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Development section where you have been initially posted, is only a development section and not for general talk.