I had been having ALOT of trouble with scrolling in text messages as well as websites absolutely sucking, and always jumping around when i wasnt touching the screen. I noticed in another forum that people who were having this problem (including me) have almost constant 3g data connections (the light in the tool bar is always lit). Initially I tried rebooting, and using advanced task kill to see if i could kill whatever the data hog was, but it didnt help.
I then discovered that by going to the settings in advanced task killer and setting security to low, that by killing everything (aka the tons of htc.* crap) that my 3g light no longer was lit like a christmas tree, and that scrolling actually worked. Everything on this phone seems snappier now, but maybe that is just a placebo effect. Either way im just happy I can actually read my older text messages again Give it a try if you cant scroll. Maybe someone wiser than I can figure what specific app is ****ing up the data connection. I dont think it is anything I installed, since I was already killing those with the normal security settings.
P.s. **** htc. If I wasn't stuck on my parent's plan I would jump ship on this p.o.s.
Root and remove the ****.
Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
Yeah, root and remove the sprint crap. I even removed Sense UI, and I have never had a lag problem. Even using 'overclock widget' to downscale dramatically when the phone is "turned off ".
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Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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HDMI, 8mp rear camera, front camera, and kickstand are the reasons I got it. Not screen size or 4g.
The only phone with similar specs (out right now) is the N900. It lacks the HDMI, has lower mp cameras (but they are likely better), has the outstanding 32gb of internal storage, and is every bit as hackable. Unfortunately, Nokia has essentially abandoned that phone otherwise I would be all over it.
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Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Cool story.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Samsung isn't the manufacturer you want to go to if you are upset with HTC's build quality (Samsung's current Android phone hardware track record is extremely checkered).
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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THIS. Sorry if this comes off as rude but seriously, it's getting tiring hearing people try to say this phone sucks and rubbing it in EVO owners' faces. It's a great phone even despite its downfalls. There are plenty of us who don't have all of the glaring problems. If you want a Galaxy S or a Droid X or a Droid 2 or a Droid Incredible then stop wasting your own time visitng the EVO forum and return your phone already. I swear, it's like people need to justify the fact that they bought something that they ultimately ended up not liking.
Point blank: If you don't like the phone and you want to return it, then DO it, instead of declaring it in every post and trying to rain on satisfied customers' parade.
As to the actual topic:
I'll try this in a second. I wasn't really having much lag or scrolling issues in the first place though. I think some EVOs are just defective.
I do have a question though: Did anyone notice that the amount of touch/scrolling lag seems to depend on the app that you're using? For example when I scroll in the app menu, it lags quite a bit before it starts scrolling. But in Handcent and Touiteur, I barely have any lag at all. The scrolling is also smoother in those apps as opposed to, say, the Engadget app which has some highly noticeable jerkiness to the text when you scroll really slow.
Is this an issue that the developers of the app control?
Edit: I did notice that things were a wee bit snappier accross the board but scrolling still seems about the same for me.
spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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I'm of the belief that people come to these forums because they do have an attachment to the EVO, and while they are upset about something, they are looking for reasons to keep the phone.
They want convincing evidence that they were correct in making the decision to purchase the EVO.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Where does it have the Evo beat????
from the link you so kindly provided....
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Key features
* Quad-band GSM and tri-band 3G support
* 7.2 Mbps HSDPA and 5.76 Mbps HSUPA support
* 4" 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen of WVGA (480 x 800 pixel) resolution
* Android OS v2.1 with TouchWiz 3.0 UI customization
* 1GHz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU; 512 MB of RAM
* 5 MP autofocus camera with face, smile and blink detection
* 720p HD video recording at 30fps
* Wi-Fi 802.11 b, g and n support
* GPS with A-GPS connectivity; Digital compass
* 8/16GB internal storage, microSD slot
* Accelerometer and proximity sensor
* Standard 3.5 mm audio jack
* microUSB port (charging) and stereo Bluetooth v3.0
* Stereo FM radio with RDS
* 1500 mAh Li-Ion battery
* Great audio quality
* Slim waistline at only 9.9mm thickness
* Document editor
* File manager comes preinstalled
* Secondary video-call camera
* Swype predictive text input
* Excellent choice of preinstalled applications
Main disadvantages
* No free GPS navigation solution
* No Flash support for the web browser
* No flash for the camera
* No dedicated camera key
* The all-plastic body is a real fingerprint magnet
* Feeble loudspeaker
Only thing it has is its internal storage which means nothing to me, I have 2 16GB, and 3 or 4 8GB cards. Space is erroneous in this day and age. Oh, and the Super AMOLED screen. That i have no argument for, even though its the same resolution, but .3" smaller.... And no word on a Froyo update for it yet. Awesome!
So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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As for lag, I have none. However, my phone wasnt stock for very long. I have removed Rosie, and all the Sprint apps. I use LauncherPro Beta for my home replacement. I have OC Widget set to underclock when the screen is off, and have AutoKiller running at 'Extreme' (I think since we have so much ram the lesser presets dont really do much). Also with my setup Im sure i could go at least 12 hours off the charger with moderate to heavy use.
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up? Because my Evo runs flawless. I know there are better setups than mine, even an overclocked one, but I like how my phone is and truthfully there is NO lag. Not when scrolling, nor on the keyboard (which is where i usually noticed lag on my Hero, even when it was overclocked).
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I'm running froyo v8 and there is no lag.
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So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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Weird, I thought 1ghz, and 1ghz were the same regardless of the maker... And i said storage is erroneous to ME. Also, if i need sixty billion colors i'll watch a blu ray on my HDTV.... not while trying to browse the web on a 4 inch display.... Also i never said it wouldnt be a competitor...
Quick question where can i check out one of these Galaxy phones? Thats right there not available. So until they come out and everyone has had a chance to play with it and find its flaws, just like the Evo and every other electronic device trying to live up to its own hype, then we shall see who is competing with who.
EDIT: Also if we are just comparing specs, then why not throw the HD2 in the ring? Should that be a competitor too?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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Ahh ok. I was going to say... My Blackbook is over two years old and still runs like a beast, but that could be the 4GB of RAM and the 7200rpm HD.
For the record though, mine arent claims, and i seriously believe that if Sprint didnt load all those crappy apps, and HTC would optimize Sense no one would have lag. With out the Sprint apps or Sense UI how could this phone not be blazing fast. I cant wait to play with a fully functional Froyo ROM. The improvements should yield a user noticeable difference.
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On gizmodo.
"Tragically flawed" but "the Hero is still the best Android phone yet" so my pre-order still stands
It's making me having second thoughts though. I think I'm going to wait and see. If speed issue isn't there when only a limited number of widgets are used, then I think I'm ok with that.
With a bit of tweaks it will be lightning fast. And who cares of the camera?
Someone in the comments on the article says that a Class 6 micro SD card should speed it up. Guess what I just ordered from Amazon?
The review was pretty much one sided...everything kept coming back to the iphone for some reason
Even after reading through it I decided to go ahead and order my Hero...delivery is on thursday tho...have to wait TWO DAYS lol.
This is interesting from:
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/ph...hero-617981/review?src=rss&attr=all&artc_pg=2
The only problem, and it's a big problem for now, is the whole system does lag quite comprehensively at times. It's at its worst when you take the phone out of the box for the first time, and although it does speed up to an acceptable level on the homescreen, certain aspects (such as updating Twitter or the weather) can cause the whole system to slow down to a complete stop at times.
It's a real shame that this is the case, and could be something to do with the fact there's only a 528MHz processor under the hood, which could be a little underpowered when you're multi-tasking the level offered by the HTC Hero.
However, before you write the phone off, there's more than a ray of hope. The last time we played with the HTC Hero, around a month ago, the problem was there but so much worse. This tells us two things: it's likely it will be fixed by the time the phone is released onto the market (or at least the first firmware update will go a long way to doing so) and HTC have had to rush this to market for some reason (perhaps to stave off the challenge of Samsung's first Android phone, the i7500?).
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It probably is due to the fact that these are review handsets or something like that. The Hero rom runs fine on my G1 tbh, it's slow in some places but with a system that has twice the RAM and ROm I would expect that to stop tbh.
Gizmodo reviews you can ignore anyway .
... but still there are quite a few of mixed stories.
Basicly it seems the animation and core Android menu's are smooth and speedy and responsive.
but it seems they put the HTC Widgets on very low priority, as not to slow down the rest of the phone. So the widgets take their time updating their content, which seems more as a connection-speed thing.
I'm sure that if it's not speedy enough from launch, it will come in ROM fixes, either from HTC or from XDA . And if we somehow can get root on the phone, the usual tweaks such as compcache and/or swap will speed it up a bit.
The CPU is fast enough on those MS7xxx based devicse, it's the internal ROM-storage that's kinda slow. The same reason that file-caching tweaks and using SD cards for storage / OS parts work on both the Diamond and the G1 for example.
I'm just gonna form my own opinion on this device when I have it in my hands . But seeing as I'm more than happy with my tweaked Diamond - which is named quite slow in every review out there - I expect good things from the Hero.
Cnet absolutely HATES IT!
(Not.)
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030106,49303060,00.htm
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(Not.)
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030106,49303060,00.htm
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Thats more like it!
Slash Gear loves it.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hero-review-2149880/
Interesting what they comment on the lag other reviews are reporting:
We’ve actually been talking about this in the forums over at AndroidCommunity.com. The reason I didn’t mention lag is because I didn’t really experience any; there’s a slight slow-down in flicking away from a homescreen pane if the widget is updating (such as Peep getting the latest tweets) but it’s incredibly minor (IMO). There was never a lag or delay that I could legitimately say was annoying. The camera, too, seemed faster than some sites are reporting.
The speed you see in the demo videos is basically the speed the Hero ran at all of the time. I’ve talked with HTC about the differing experiences, and they’re just as confused as we are; they say all the review devices (which I’m taking to mean those in the UK and those shipped to the US for reviews there) are running the same production ROM. However there are obviously some differences in performance across the board, not to mention I know a few people have had glitchier devices than others.
In short, this could be a “good” Hero and there could be “bad” ones out there with other reviewers, we just don’t know. Given that Orange UK are apparently beginning sales of the smartphone today, I imagine we’ll soon hear whether those versions live up to expectations or not.
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Slash Gear loves it.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hero-review-2149880/
Interesting what they comment on the lag other reviews are reporting:
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Look at the video "HTC Hero media widget and Flash-capable browser:" in that review.
Now I know what the other reviews are on about. It takes a fraction of a second for it to move between home screens. On default android this was fluid and you saw the "transition" of dragging the screen from one position to another, on the hero it looks more like Homescreen 1, Swipe, 0.2 second wait, Homescreen 2.
Not a problem at all, but most reviewers would criticise for this, especially the ones that always go back and compare to the "all mighty iPhone"
The Hero is far better than the iPhone - me thinks. But I dont want a war about it.
This is just my experience from using apple technology for 20 years
Engadget crushed the hero in their review
"HTC has an explosive entry in the smartphone category with what its done on the software side... now it just needs the hardware to match"
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
if hero is so weak, what's there to say about mytouch (sapphire) (((
rachael?
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Engadget crushed the hero in their review
"HTC has an explosive entry in the smartphone category with what its done on the software side... now it just needs the hardware to match"
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
if hero is so weak, what's there to say about mytouch (sapphire) (((
rachael?
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Or the Diamond when it was released or even the TD2... really it's all subjective!!
http://phandroid.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/
Hello!
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
Any other thoughts are also welcome=)
Thanx!
1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.
1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.
1. I've noticed that many apps became available later in the Market after devs added the QVGA tag for them. But it's still something greatly missed.
2. The smaller screen is a slight disadvantage which I was fully aware of when purchasing it, though the 7 home screens kinda make up for it.
3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
4. Probably till the end of this year.
5. I'm pleased with the build quality. No issues there.
6. All I can say is weigh the pros and cons and decide for yourself. I bought this just to gain experience with Android.
Thanx alot for your input guys!
Sorry for the long questions, I thought I wouldn't get any answers because of that=)
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3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
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I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope
that it will provide you with a richer experience!
Me and my brother are currently looking at both the HTC Tattoo and the samsung i5700 "spica". Both phones has issues though.
What worries me the most is that the Tattoo might be a bit laggy and that is why I have such hopes in 2.1.
The Tattoo also seems more sturdy than the spica and I'm almost certain that I will accidently drop it some time.
I also like the fact that you can change the cover.
Some follow up questions: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.
I tried installing 2.1 today, but I got to the Tattoo screen during startup, and then went to a blank screen. Waited for about 10 mins. So recovered the phone, and installing other ROM's now.
PS: I'm in MOD-installing-mood this weekend!
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Some follow up questions[/B]: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.
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I personally notice the lack of colour depth (coming from touch diamond) but its a payoff to having a phone that will fit comfortably in my pocket (unlike the Hero = chin)
Theres not that much blurriness (imho) but you can notice it. Overall its a good android experince but I will be looking to the desire or legend for my next phone as long as they pass my pocket test!!
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I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope that it will provide you with a richer experience
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So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.
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Hi mate!
ragzy said:
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
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With custom ROMs, the Market is fully available for Tattoo owners. This was the biggest issue I've had, since I'm a big lover of Twidroid and I can mark it as *SOLVED*!
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2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
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Well, the only real problem I have had is the full-qwerty keyboard in portrait mode. It's just a matter of attitude, though. Having used it for 4 months now, I'm able to write very long text messages in a very short time (even if I mainly twit ), and most of the time I disable the automatical corrector as I write both in Italian and in English. The very first days I was in a real pain, coming from a simple T9 Nokia, I felt the full-qwerty was really uncomfortable, but now everything is changed and I can't live without my full qwerty
So, I don't regret. Anyway, before buying the Tattoo I was taking some several looks at the Hero which should now cost around 300 EUR.
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3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
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I've never experienced lag with Tattoo but I'm not a big fan of gaming. I mainly use it for music, Google Maps (man, this is amazing!! I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
The only way to make the phone very laggy is to use the RadioFM along with the GPS, but it's not a "daily" thing you do I guess.
As for the 2.1 ROM it's amazing. Even if it has not Camera and some stuffs are buggy, it's a GREAT ROM, man it's faster than hell, amazing animations, rewritten Messagging and Google Talk apps which are GREAT, every contact has its own tab which is more than good-looking and.. it's great!
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TBH, I'm already planning to change the phone but this has nothing to do with the Tattoo, it's only that I really love the Nexus One and I'm waiting for the summer as it should be available in Italy and I should have enough money But, really, nothing to do with Tattoo, it's perfect for me.
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And.. this is a bad point. The plastic in which the stock cover is built it's not perfect. After a couple of months I've had some scratches (not in the display, though) and I'm now buying a new cover.
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Yes. If that is your budget and if you don't plan in gaming all day long the Tattoo is definitely a perfect phone for you. As you can see, I'm enthusiastic with it, I use it all day, I tweet, I go to Facebook while I'm on the train, I Google, I maps, I read newspapers, I.. do almost everything. Perfect.
i like my tattoo very much. i paid 60-70 euros for it and since I'm a quad rider I usually wear gloves and the screen let's me handle the phone without taking them off.
if my other phone was ok i would have waited for Nexus to launch.
probably in 2011 i will sell it or when nokia morph is launched... :-??
sheik_yerbouti said:
So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.
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Hey Sheik - I didnt realise the devs had a rom that was that close to being the finished item - any other probs withthe rom - i.e. all of the widgets and screen sizes ok? 3g or data and wifi ok etc?
Most of the perks, I can live with. Wi-Fi is a little dodgy, but I can partly blame my router for that. Speed and connectivity problems even with the stock ROM. Of all the widgets I have, they work fine. The Music player needs to be worked on as its size exceeds the Tattoo screen both in portrait and landscape mode. My phone doesn't have 3G. I'm still stuck on 2G, and it works just fine.
Thanx everyone for your replys!
Here is an update from me=)
I have had a spica home for testing but I'm sending it back today I did not like the build qualiy, also has less ram than tattoo, and no sense ui). Me and my brother got the spica for the same price as e new htc tattoo (spica was B-grade" though). No more B-grade for me, one of the charger pins was a bit bend and both the charger and the phone was really dusty, the seller assured it was not in "used condition" though.
I can't help but wonder if the Tattoo would have been a better choise=P
As Genargo pointed out, the tattoo seems to handle 2.1 pretty well (while other sources state that samsung spica lags when scrolling through menues and pulling up the menu (even though this is a official 2.1 release).
But our android craving has been put on ice, atleast for the moment.
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I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
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That sums it up quite nicely, I mean that is is for these kind of moments I want a android phone with me music / gaming and video (divx) is not that important. I guess I see it as a more portable netbook.
Perhaps I should wait and see how android matures, I bet there will be many new models this year. It's amazing how fast android is evolving. Too bad there is no perfect device, I bet there never will be. Another thing that worries me os the dust problem on bothe the HTC hero, Nexus one and the desire (?). Dust underneath the screen would drive me mad=P
Right now there does not seem to be a android phone with a really nice and sturdy buid quality out there. Legends aluminum would scratch too easyli in my opinion and I don't like the cheap feel of the buttons. Hero feels great, too bad that it has the "dust issue"=/
I'm almost positive there was a previous thread about this issue, but I can't seem to find it. In any case, I've noticed that the touch sensor lags behind my finger considerably. I recorded a video with two tests consisting of a. A quick demo with the multitouch visualizer app, and b. A half-assed game of table tennis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j7cYb7EtUM
This issue has also been noted by Android Central in one of their tests of the Evo's multi touch capabilities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieuB0VvkmwA
As you can see, the video clearly demonstrates a problem with either the hardware or software. The HTC Incredible uses the exact same touch sensor, yet exhibits none of these issues. As a result, I'm kind of doubtful it's an issue with the hardware. I'm sorry, but for such a high-end smartphone, I would expect better from HTC. Here's to hoping they address this problem in a future software update.
yeah.. im kinda disappointed in EVO..
personally, it not that big of a deal. So it's another obstacle while playing air hockey, just something to make the game more exighting. If you really are disappointed in a beast of a phone as this for having some touch sensor lag.... go dig a hole and bury yourself in it.
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personally, it not that big of a deal. So it's another obstacle while playing air hockey, just something to make the game more exighting. If you really are disappointed in a beast of a phone as this for having some touch sensor lag.... go dig a hole and bury yourself in it.
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That really is not a good excuse for this issue. I don't want air hockey to be more exciting or challenging. I want the paddle to track my finger as accurately as every other high-end smartphone on the market. I have every right to be disappointed, because this isn't 'some' touch sensor lag. In fact, it's quite severe. I paid good money for a good smartphone, and I, along with the rest of the Evo owners, deserve better than this. We shouldn't have to settle for 'not that big of a deal'.
The lag is not on pressing buttons I think, I think it's when you drag stuff.
I mean I tried on my Droid and it feels slow to respond on the emulators with touch controls, but the Evo is slow as well. Also when clicking stuff it feels instant.
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The lag is not on pressing buttons I think, I think it's when you drag stuff.
I mean I tried on my Droid and it feels slow to respond on the emulators with touch controls, but the Evo is slow as well. Also when clicking stuff it feels instant.
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Well no, there's no lag on pressing buttons. The touch sensor can easily handle a single tap, since it isn't necessarily tracking anything. When it comes to playing something like table tennis though, the problem becomes painfully obvious.
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That really is not a good excuse for this issue. I don't want air hockey to be more exciting or challenging. I want the paddle to track my finger as accurately as every other high-end smartphone on the market. I have every right to be disappointed, because this isn't 'some' touch sensor lag. In fact, it's quite severe. I paid good money for a good smartphone, and I, along with the rest of the Evo owners, deserve better than this. We shouldn't have to settle for 'not that big of a deal'.
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You're missing my point. I meant to say that is a little bug in the screen tracking going to influence your desission on whether you are cool with he phone or not? Ever phone will always have minor bugs that you just have to live with. Now tell me, can you name any of your last phone's 'little bugs'? I had a Palm Pre, and I loved it. I will say the build quality was crap and I had to return it 3 times but I still enjoyed the phone. The Evo by the looks of things doesn't have any problems with hardware but the memory card issue that got resolved within a few hours of release.
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I meant to say that is a little bug in the screen tracking going to influence your desission on whether you are cool with he phone or not? Ever phone will always have minor bugs that you just have to live with. Now tell me, can you name any of your last phone's 'little bugs'? I had a Palm Pre, and I loved it. I will say the build quality was crap and I had to return it 3 times but I still enjoyed the phone.
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Yes, this little 'bug' is going to influence my decision because it shows utter negligence on behalf of HTC regarding their flagship device. A minor bug is the notification light going off every once in a while. A minor bug is not the main input method lagging behind by at least a second. This is a bug I'd rather not have to live with if HTC can fix it. What if all smartphones had this 'little bug'? I'm pretty sure nobody would just accept living with it.
When a G1 outperforms an Evo in terms of touch input tracking, there is a serious problem.
Agreed. I'd like to get this resolved. It isn't a deal breaker to me, but it is shocking that a device like this would have a significant issue with the touch sensor. I have a feeling that tracking can just be updated with a future software update, but if/when this occurs is anyone's guess.
This is definitely a software issue. From Chipworks:
Touch Screen controller
The Atmel device provides for up to 224 nodes (hence being called MXT224?) and a patented charge transfer technology that allows it to be used even in netbook screens (>10”). It features an SNR of 80:1, and an extremely fast refresh rate. All in all, the nearest competing off-the-shelf touch screen at the time of introduction has only half as many nodes, a screen refresh rate of only 83Hz (66% slower) and an SNR of only 25:1 (66% less). Another thing, it can recognize (first in the industry) not only touch but also stylus, fingernails and gloved hands. Because of the high SNR rate, the device consumes a smaller amount of power and a decreased response time (due to it not being required to make use of extra filtering circuitry).
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This is definitely a software issue. From Chipworks:
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Right. Now that you mention it, this might have some correlation with the 30 frames per second cap on the Evo. I mean, most other phones run at 60fps, and they have no problem tracking touch input. What's possibly going on is that because the phone is limited to 30fps, the screen can't refresh nearly as fast as it has to in order to track the input...
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Right. Now that you mention it, this might have some correlation with the 30 frames per second cap on the Evo. I mean, most other phones run at 60fps, and they have no problem tracking touch input. What's possibly going on is that because the phone is limited to 30fps, the screen can't refresh nearly as fast as it has to in order to track the input...
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I was just thinking the same thing. Perhaps fixing the frame cap will resolve both issues.
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Yes, this little 'bug' is going to influence my decision because it shows utter negligence on behalf of HTC regarding their flagship device. A minor bug is the notification light going off every once in a while. A minor bug is not the main input method lagging behind by at least a second. This is a bug I'd rather not have to live with if HTC can fix it. What if all smartphones had this 'little bug'? I'm pretty sure nobody would just accept living with it.
When a G1 outperforms an Evo in terms of touch input tracking, there is a serious problem.
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You're missing my point. I meant to say that is a little bug in the screen tracking going to influence your desission on whether you are cool with he phone or not? Ever phone will always have minor bugs that you just have to live with. Now tell me, can you name any of your last phone's 'little bugs'? I had a Palm Pre, and I loved it. I will say the build quality was crap and I had to return it 3 times but I still enjoyed the phone. The Evo by the looks of things doesn't have any problems with hardware but the memory card issue that got resolved within a few hours of release.
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and no I don't care if the screen lag is hardware issue or software. If your going to yell and grip about this then go away. We really don't need ranters link you in the forum. The xda forum is to help others and create new ways of doing things and having more features.
At this point, I really don't care what you think. As you can tell from the other posts in this thread, and in fact the entire Evo forum, people do care about things like touch input lag, frame limit caps, and bad wi-fi reception.
Have you seen the thread on the Evo's graphical cap? Most people there seem pretty pissed off about the issue and want something done. Should they go away because they're 'ranters'? No, they're right because the only way to get things fixed is to point the problems out in the first place.
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Yes, this little 'bug' is going to influence my decision because it shows utter negligence on behalf of HTC regarding their flagship device. A minor bug is the notification light going off every once in a while. A minor bug is not the main input method lagging behind by at least a second. This is a bug I'd rather not have to live with if HTC can fix it. What if all smartphones had this 'little bug'? I'm pretty sure nobody would just accept living with it.
When a G1 outperforms an Evo in terms of touch input tracking, there is a serious problem.
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This is not a bug. As of now, the android base will have a minor delay, especially when it comes to user interface because that is just the way java is. Which is why you will not notice it in dalvik prepped apps.
That being said I don't notice it at all after switching to the evo. I did notice it on my hero. There was always a solid delay between my finger and anything it does. On the evo I would say it is almost gone for me. But everyone always compares it to the iphone which is not java but I remember reading about the comparable delays between the two platforms and its there on the iphone <= 3gs but its just not as noticeable.
To each his own but I see way more advantages in waiting for Froyo/JIT on this platform, at least until apple opens up a bit, which will never happen.
EDIT: By the way, RUU the device because I can tell you right now of the two evo's I have played with neither had an input lag anywhere NEAR a second. If that is in fact true I believe the device or install has got something wrong with it. Or it could be a runaway app that has been installed.
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This is not a bug. As of now, the android base will have a minor delay, especially when it comes to user interface because that is just the way java is. Which is why you will not notice it in dalvik prepped apps.
That being said I don't notice it at all after switching to the evo. I did notice it on my hero. There was always a solid delay between my finger and anything it does. On the evo I would say it is almost gone for me. But everyone always compares it to the iphone which is not java but I remember reading about the comparable delays between the two platforms and its there on the iphone <= 3gs but its just not as noticeable.
To each his own but I see way more advantages in waiting for Froyo/JIT on this platform, at least until apple opens up a bit, which will never happen.
EDIT: By the way, RUU the device because I can tell you right now of the two evo's I have played with neither had an input lag anywhere NEAR a second. If that is in fact true I believe the device or install has got something wrong with it. Or it could be a runaway app that has been installed.
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Haha this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Are you saying that my Motorola Droid, which DOESN'T have the input lag, is because it's not running java vm on Android? hahahaha Java VM has nothing to do with the lag on Evo's input.
Not really sure where I said that the moto droid is not based on java or anything of the sort. Pretty much ever developer knows that java ui performance is mostly crap.
For example eclipse and OOO. Perfect examples. They have purely unacceptable lag in their UI.
Nearly ALL user interfaces based on java have a laggy UI. As a developer I made a conscious choice to not use java based ui and go with gtk/clutter. I have played with several motorola droids and they all have a solid delay that in most circumstances does not exist on the iphone. It is a pretty common reason for folks to not use java to build their apps. Take a good look at the sandbox dalvik apps. Even under the android emulator they are much more responsive.
I DO NOT see the moto droid having less delay than my evo. I think you are mistaking frame rate for input lag. As icons are moving, they look "jittery" or skip around. That is a long shot from saying there is a 1 second delay between your finger and movement on the screen. I had an app crash the other day while downloading files to the SD card and the whole system slowed down and had this massive input delay. So all I was really saying was try and see if there is maybe something you have installed that has made this happen because everything seems pretty "instant" to me, coming from the hero. Obviously it could be that my opinion is relative to my hero. But I notice that the evo is a bit snappier than the incredible. And that is backed up by a few reviews.
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Not really sure where I said that the moto droid is not based on java or anything of the sort. Pretty much ever developer knows that java ui performance is mostly crap.
For example eclipse and OOO. Perfect examples. They have purely unacceptable lag in their UI.
Nearly ALL user interfaces based on java have a laggy UI. As a developer I made a conscious choice to not use java based ui and go with gtk/clutter. I have played with several motorola droids and they all have a solid delay that in most circumstances does not exist on the iphone. It is a pretty common reason for folks to not use java to build their apps. Take a good look at the sandbox dalvik apps. Even under the android emulator they are much more responsive.
I DO NOT see the moto droid having less delay than my evo. I think you are mistaking frame rate for input lag. As icons are moving, they look "jittery" or skip around. That is a long shot from saying there is a 1 second delay between your finger and movement on the screen. I had an app crash the other day while downloading files to the SD card and the whole system slowed down and had this massive input delay. So all I was really saying was try and see if there is maybe something you have installed that has made this happen because everything seems pretty "instant" to me, coming from the hero. Obviously it could be that my opinion is relative to my hero. But I notice that the evo is a bit snappier than the incredible. And that is backed up by a few reviews.
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Move your finger faster on the screen. Your finger will be going one direction while the interface is still going another direction. The delay is greater than the difference between 30 and 60FPS.
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Not really sure where I said that the moto droid is not based on java or anything of the sort. Pretty much ever developer knows that java ui performance is mostly crap.
For example eclipse and OOO. Perfect examples. They have purely unacceptable lag in their UI.
Nearly ALL user interfaces based on java have a laggy UI. As a developer I made a conscious choice to not use java based ui and go with gtk/clutter. I have played with several motorola droids and they all have a solid delay that in most circumstances does not exist on the iphone. It is a pretty common reason for folks to not use java to build their apps. Take a good look at the sandbox dalvik apps. Even under the android emulator they are much more responsive.
I DO NOT see the moto droid having less delay than my evo. I think you are mistaking frame rate for input lag. As icons are moving, they look "jittery" or skip around. That is a long shot from saying there is a 1 second delay between your finger and movement on the screen. I had an app crash the other day while downloading files to the SD card and the whole system slowed down and had this massive input delay. So all I was really saying was try and see if there is maybe something you have installed that has made this happen because everything seems pretty "instant" to me, coming from the hero. Obviously it could be that my opinion is relative to my hero. But I notice that the evo is a bit snappier than the incredible. And that is backed up by a few reviews.
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You drunk?
I have the Droid and the HTC EVO 4g.
Get the a touch input application
Scroll around with the Droid, instant.
Evo 4g super delay
This issue has nothing to do with Dalvik, or Java.
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You drunk?
I have the Droid and the HTC EVO 4g.
Get the a touch input application
Scroll around with the Droid, instant.
Evo 4g super delay
This issue has nothing to do with Dalvik, or Java.
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+1 its there and verified
I know this has been said again and again, but I just have to put my opinion out there..
To realize what provoked this thread see here and a benchmark test on youtube where the evo gets pwnt by the nexus one and droid x on so many levels.
HTC claims that the reason EVERY other android phone can get twice as much frames per second as us is because they don't have an HDMI port..
Did they really think that was gonna fly?
I'd gladly never use my hdmi port to have smooth as butter 60FPS.. and to set the record straight we DO notice the difference.
At the very least they could have imposed the limit only when content is being output via hdmi!
I cannot understand how they thought we'd sit back and allow this.
Android is the home of nerds, enthusiasts, overclockers, benchmarkers and rom chefs.
This isn't the typical iphone userbase, we notice a lack of performance and inefficiency.
Both of which our phones are in no short supply of..
Our tests and kernel tweaks have proved that this DEFECT can be bypassed, so why are they still going on about hardware limitations?
How come our PREMIUM phones that we have to pay an extra 10 bucks per month just to own, can't even catch up to the very first android phone (G1) in terms of 2D FPS?
How come everybody else is capable of 60fps while we with our "revolutionary multimedia phones" can't even churn out anything past 30FPS without tweaks, and hacks, and best of all voiding our warranties.
It's ****ing blasphemy I tell you.
How about a rom that allows for disabling of hdmi?
I don't know just how ingrained it is with the snapdragon CPU or more likely the gpu, but it's surely possible.
I mean how many of us would've gotten these phones if we knew it was either hdmi or 60fps?
Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
This belongs here:
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HTC claims that the reason EVERY other android phone can get twice as much frames per second as us is because they don't have an HDMI port..
Did they really think that was gonna fly?
I'd gladly never use my hdmi port to have smooth as butter 60FPS.. and to set the record straight we DO notice the difference.
At the very least they could have imposed the limit only when content is being output via hdmi! <-That should be a poll option
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Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
This belongs here:
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HDMI is their excuse isn't it, Droid X has HDMI will it always be limited to 30FPS?
Personally, I'd rather loose battery life and HDMI (never going to use that ****) output for no lag and better performance.
At least give us the option, HTC.
For the most part HDMI out, is a "feature for friends".
I don't think that many of us are ACTUALLY using this often.
I mean it's nice to have and i'm sure it can come into handy one day, but not at this expense!
Hdmi has nothing to do with the cap.
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According to Keith Nowak it has very much to do with hdmi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713677
I have sifted through that convoluted thread.. but see no indication that anything else is causing the cap..
So then? What IS causing it.
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For the most part HDMI out, is a "feature for friends".
I don't think that many of us are ACTUALLY using this often.
I mean it's nice to have and i'm sure it can come into handy one day, but not at this expense!
According to Keith Nowak it has very much to do with hdmi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713677
I have sifted through that convoluted thread.. but see no indication that anything else is causing the cap..
So then? What IS causing it.
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are you implying i have no friends?
Indeed.
Screw implying.
You straight up got no friends bro!
Sorry, better luck next time.
Sent from my Evo 4G
I don't really understand why I'd use hdmi. This thing isn't pushing out .mkv files is it?
And you better believe I'm not spending extra money on a fancy mini hdmi cord. F that.
Take out the hdmi, give me a freaking Ethernet port instead Haha. Id prolly use that at least once, which will be more than I ever use hdmi.
(Actually come to think of it 4g to wired Ethernet tether for devices that don't support usb tether would be rather slick.)
Now that HTC fixed the grounding issue on the phone with the OTA update, my attention is now completely on the FPS issue. This is really frustrating. I have 5 days left to return my phone and I am really trying to figure out what to do. I don't want to go to Verizon because it's more expensive and I'm still in contract until Oct if I return the Evo. $50 ETF isn't a huge deal though. I've never been an apple fan and have never personally owned an iPhone but when you put the Evo next to Apple's latest, the screen choppiness really shows. It makes me mad. It makes me feel like the Evo is still behind the iPhone (when on paper is was not at all).
Look, I'm not sitting here saying that 30FPS is making my phone crappy and less enjoyable. The thought of getting duped by HTC is what bothers me. HTC sold us something on paper, and delivered something else. Isn't that called bait and switch?
Another problem is that none of the Sprint sales people, HTC customer service reps, or Best Buy/RS employees know enough about FPS to realize what it has done to our "wicked fast" phone. They look at us like we're crazy. I was describing the grounding issue to my local RS sales guy and he was giving me a look like I was being a baby about it.
Even though the 30 fps cap is still there the new update has gotten rid of all the screen lag I've had in sense and the browser.
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Even though the 30 fps cap is still there the new update has gotten rid of all the screen lag I've had in sense and the browser.
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The motion blur you see when you swipe screens or scroll in the browser is a result of 30FPS. I still have it after the update. Use a nexus one or droid and you'll see the difference. It's very noticeable side-by-side. Sure, I don't see it when I'm using my phone. My brain gets used to it. The problem is that phones that have been out for 12 months have better screen motion than we do with our "wicked fast" phone.
meh at least we don't have to deal with this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=954054
Wow! Seems pretty widespread... That really sucks. On top of that, they have to deal with the manipulations as Apple tries to dodge the complaints.
Great another post of so me one whining go return the phone, please return your phone and get a box of tampons
BrianDigital said:
Great another post of so me one whining go return the phone, please return your phone and get a box of tampons
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I'll make sure to get you an English 101 book while I'm out shopping.
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I'll make sure to get you an English 101 book while I'm out shopping.
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Hardy har, atleast I used one comma hey look htc just released a patch to fix the cap. Soley based off your whiney post
This is a public forum. People complain on it. Get used to it.
ahh fanboys make me smile
Of course not, but as far as design maybe ....
I have been looking for a phone to upgrade from my iPhone 5 for sometime.
I missed the screen size and resolution of my old Galaxy Siii and although the iPhone is very nice there are a number of frustrations. For example having to go home button-next screen-settings-WiFi-off/on just to toggle WiFi is ridiculous, or to not have any browser choices with flash, etc. etc.*
Studying the market it seems it's between the One and the S4. The Sony Z has a few unique features but is not attractive. Other phones like the Motorola HD are nice but not really comparable on features. Once you have seen a 1920 screen you can't really go back.
On paper the S4 has a slight advantage although I applaud HTC for trying to end the pointless pixel war. As a amateur photographer I can say that all mobile phone cameras are [email protected] so why have bigger files which just waste space ?*
However once the phones are in your hand it's another story. The One is just beautiful. It it a phone you really want to just pickup.
I went to buy a S4 and came out with a One, for pretty much the same price.
The S4 is not only plastic fantastic but the design is still stuck in the iPhone 3 groove which Samsung originally copied.
The S4 is a great phone, but for me the One is almost perfect. The screen size and weight, the design, the georgeous screen, the software, the speed.
Sure, nothing is perfect, the One get a bit warm in use, it would be nice to have a SD card slot, a polishing cloth would be nice in the box etc. but this really feels like sniping.
It's difficult to know where phones go from here. Apart from 1tb of flash storage and a 5000mah battery I can't think of anything. I don't need more size, resolution or speed really. I suppose a display port or HDMI would be good with a keyboard and mouse in the box to use as a computer, I mean this is more powerful then most peoples PCs and Macs right ?
I take my hat off to HTC and wish them speedy restoration of their former glory!
Just a correction... It's not as powerful to the current PCs & Macs.
It might be quad core and has almost the same ghz that CPU processors but truth is it's too tiny to be of match to computers. Perhaps the performance of quad cores here is comparable to dual cores of computers right now or might even be single cores. And much more less on the GPU side.
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Apart from 1tb of flash storage and a 5000mah battery I can't think of anything
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I said the same about upgrading from my HD2 about 3 years ago. There wasn't anything sufficiently BOOM for me to upgrade.
I had WM6.5 and 'Droid on the SD (while Android was still effectively in beta) and the new phones back then were a bit gimmicky compared.
Can't find the post but I said I wouldn't upgrade until 2GHz/2GB RAM/Quad Core/1080p and I didn't.
So, back to your question? Where next?
1TB storage? Nah. 64/128GB will be the new 16/32 more like. With micro SD.
5 working day battery - it'll be about real world longevity rather than tech specs, which will lead to a big row as people don't get 5 days gaming
Where next? Frikkin' lasers! What else can be packed in?
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Just a correction... It's not as powerful to the current PCs & Macs.
It might be quad core and has almost the same ghz that CPU processors but truth is it's too tiny to be of match to computers. Perhaps the performance of quad cores here is comparable to dual cores of computers right now or might even be single cores. And much more less on the GPU side.
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yes and no
most folk have PCs with an Intel 3000 or less for graphics.
you are right about size, which is why a display port and keyboard/mouse would be great
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Where next? Frikkin' lasers! What else can be packed in?
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thats the thing
I always say I don't need more and then someone comes up with something I never thought of and I can't live without LOL
4K Screens, PS3 graphics and flexible screens. Unfortunately, not many companies focus on the battery life which is the sad reality.
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4K Screens, PS3 graphics and flexible screens. Unfortunately, not many companies focus on the battery life which is the sad reality.
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Battery tech is the NBT. Has to be.
Otherwise, if they add anything else in to devices, we'll have to be no more than 12 feet from a plug.
I sincerely hope the race for bigger marketing numbers ends at 1080p displays: 1080p is already absolutely 100% pointless on a phone-sized screen. However, in other ways, screen performance has a long way to go: I want something that goes brighter than my HTC One (which still has legility issues in bright sunlight), has less reflection from the screen, has more resistance to damage and scratches, and combines an OLED-like black level with properly calibrated colour accuracy and white point, and no screen-burn. (And a way to calibrate the screen that doesn't require a custom kernel).
More performance is never a bad thing.
2GB of RAM is nowhere near enough, especially with 0.5GB being dedicated video memory. I'm looking forward to 4GB devices.
Mobile GPUs have quite a way to go, too, especially in terms of memory bandwidth: I'd like to see manufacturers experimenting with EDRAM.
Camera sensors could also be massively much better than the sensor on the One (although whether the market would accept that is another story: you'd probably have to make the phone significantly thicker). I'd like Xenon flashes to become more common, too.
Personally I'd like more onboard storage available at a lower price. Phones which have 16, 32 and 64GB models charge a ludicrous premium for the larger capacities.
The lack of USB 3.0 is a problem using OTG storage.
Headphone output, while quite respectable on phones like the One, could still be a lot better.
Probably the single biggest thing that needs improving is battery life. I'm lucky if I get four hours of real-life use out of my One if I'm browsing the web over 3G. Really you need at least twice that.
Dissipating heat will, I think, increasingly become a problem in the future. I can't see a smartphone ever incorporating an audible cooling fan.
HDMI output still has a few issues.
And finally the whole thing needs to become more rugged. Sony's Xperia Z is decidedly undesirable in many other ways, but the water-proof and dust-proof features are great (or at least they would be if they didn't require a compromise in terms of speaker quality).
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More performance is never a bad thing.
2GB of RAM is nowhere near enough, especially with 0.5GB being dedicated video memory. I'm looking forward to 4GB devices.
Mobile GPUs have quite a way to go, too, especially in terms of memory bandwidth: I'd like to see manufacturers experimenting with EDRAM.
Camera sensors could also be massively much better than the sensor on the One (although whether the market would accept that is another story: you'd probably have to make the phone significantly thicker). I'd like Xenon flashes to become more common, too.
Personally I'd like more onboard storage available at a lower price. Phones which have 16, 32 and 64GB models charge a ludicrous premium for the larger capacities.
The lack of USB 3.0 is a problem using OTG storage.
Headphone output, while quite respectable on phones like the One, could still be a lot better.
Probably the single biggest thing that needs improving is battery life. I'm lucky if I get four hours of real-life use out of my One if I'm browsing the web over 3G. Really you need at least twice that.
HDMI output still has a few issues.
And finally the whole thing needs to become more rugged. Sony's Xperia Z is decidedly undesirable in many other ways, but the water-proof and dust-proof features are great (or at least they would be if they didn't require a compromise in terms of speaker quality).
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yes, thats pretty much the whole 9 yards
battery life is the main thing for me and it seems most other people
I am sceptical of camera. physics demands a bigger sensor and it ain't going to happen in the form factor.
most people don't need better quality, judging from alot of DSLR shots I see
a display projector, or holographic display would be nice. then I can show people photographs when I am visiting wihout any other equipment
I'm still waiting for a phone that turns into a plane and flies me to my own desert island id be really happy with that
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I'm still waiting for a phone that turns into a plane and flies me to my own desert island id be really happy with that
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there is a real danger they get the spec of the island wrong you could get dumped here:
http://www.theworld.org/2012/11/the-history-of-hashima-the-island-in-bond-film-skyfall/
colonel said:
a display projector, or holographic display would be nice. then I can show people photographs when I am visiting wihout any other equipment
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I'm a little doubtful about putting a projector into a device that's hand-held and uses a touch-screen interface: the picture will wobble around like crazy every time you tap a button.
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There's one very important development that's needed on the software side, incidentally: at the moment mobile web-browsers still don't do a sufficiently good job of parsing desktop-oriented websites. There are a number of issues involved, but one of the more significant ones is that there's no accepted way to emulate moving the mouse cursor to a specific position without actually clicking on something. This means websites that depend on mouse-over events - things like menus that pop up when you move the cursor over a link - never work correctly.
One of the things I had hoped Samsung might do with the GS4 (but, as far as I know, didn't) is use their "air gesture" technology to achieve this: hold your finger close to the screen to move the cursor, and actually touch it to click. A device like the S-Pen could achieve the same thing if it's pressure sensitive: move while pressing lightly to move the cursor, press harder to click. There have been other attempts at this in the past: the original Blackberry Storm, for example, had a touch-screen that was effectively one large physical button, so it could tell whether you were gently tracing your finger over the screen or actually pressing. But I've yet to see a way of doing this that works nicely.
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I'm a little doubtful about putting a projector into a device that's hand-held and uses a touch-screen interface: the picture will wobble around like crazy every time you tap a button.
There's one very important development that's needed on the software side, incidentally: at the moment mobile web-browsers still don't do a sufficiently good job of parsing desktop-oriented websites.
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actually that reminds me of another aweful thing about the iphone.
when you are editing online forms, e.g. an ebay advert, the iphone just goes mad.
firstly spelling suggestions go out of the window. it starts making odd suggestions about words you have never heard of.
secondly it does weird additions. so you are typing and it suddenly replaces the last three words with something totally out of context.
apple have improved this. It used to be impossible to even use on web forms, but it stil needs alot more work.
chrome and webkit (and IE on Windows Phone for that matter) are vastly superior in this aspect.