Hello!
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
Any other thoughts are also welcome=)
Thanx!
1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.
1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.
1. I've noticed that many apps became available later in the Market after devs added the QVGA tag for them. But it's still something greatly missed.
2. The smaller screen is a slight disadvantage which I was fully aware of when purchasing it, though the 7 home screens kinda make up for it.
3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
4. Probably till the end of this year.
5. I'm pleased with the build quality. No issues there.
6. All I can say is weigh the pros and cons and decide for yourself. I bought this just to gain experience with Android.
Thanx alot for your input guys!
Sorry for the long questions, I thought I wouldn't get any answers because of that=)
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3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
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I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope
that it will provide you with a richer experience!
Me and my brother are currently looking at both the HTC Tattoo and the samsung i5700 "spica". Both phones has issues though.
What worries me the most is that the Tattoo might be a bit laggy and that is why I have such hopes in 2.1.
The Tattoo also seems more sturdy than the spica and I'm almost certain that I will accidently drop it some time.
I also like the fact that you can change the cover.
Some follow up questions: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.
I tried installing 2.1 today, but I got to the Tattoo screen during startup, and then went to a blank screen. Waited for about 10 mins. So recovered the phone, and installing other ROM's now.
PS: I'm in MOD-installing-mood this weekend!
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Some follow up questions[/B]: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.
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I personally notice the lack of colour depth (coming from touch diamond) but its a payoff to having a phone that will fit comfortably in my pocket (unlike the Hero = chin)
Theres not that much blurriness (imho) but you can notice it. Overall its a good android experince but I will be looking to the desire or legend for my next phone as long as they pass my pocket test!!
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I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope that it will provide you with a richer experience
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So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.
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Hi mate!
ragzy said:
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
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With custom ROMs, the Market is fully available for Tattoo owners. This was the biggest issue I've had, since I'm a big lover of Twidroid and I can mark it as *SOLVED*!
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2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
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Well, the only real problem I have had is the full-qwerty keyboard in portrait mode. It's just a matter of attitude, though. Having used it for 4 months now, I'm able to write very long text messages in a very short time (even if I mainly twit ), and most of the time I disable the automatical corrector as I write both in Italian and in English. The very first days I was in a real pain, coming from a simple T9 Nokia, I felt the full-qwerty was really uncomfortable, but now everything is changed and I can't live without my full qwerty
So, I don't regret. Anyway, before buying the Tattoo I was taking some several looks at the Hero which should now cost around 300 EUR.
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3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
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I've never experienced lag with Tattoo but I'm not a big fan of gaming. I mainly use it for music, Google Maps (man, this is amazing!! I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
The only way to make the phone very laggy is to use the RadioFM along with the GPS, but it's not a "daily" thing you do I guess.
As for the 2.1 ROM it's amazing. Even if it has not Camera and some stuffs are buggy, it's a GREAT ROM, man it's faster than hell, amazing animations, rewritten Messagging and Google Talk apps which are GREAT, every contact has its own tab which is more than good-looking and.. it's great!
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4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
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TBH, I'm already planning to change the phone but this has nothing to do with the Tattoo, it's only that I really love the Nexus One and I'm waiting for the summer as it should be available in Italy and I should have enough money But, really, nothing to do with Tattoo, it's perfect for me.
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5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
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And.. this is a bad point. The plastic in which the stock cover is built it's not perfect. After a couple of months I've had some scratches (not in the display, though) and I'm now buying a new cover.
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6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
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Yes. If that is your budget and if you don't plan in gaming all day long the Tattoo is definitely a perfect phone for you. As you can see, I'm enthusiastic with it, I use it all day, I tweet, I go to Facebook while I'm on the train, I Google, I maps, I read newspapers, I.. do almost everything. Perfect.
i like my tattoo very much. i paid 60-70 euros for it and since I'm a quad rider I usually wear gloves and the screen let's me handle the phone without taking them off.
if my other phone was ok i would have waited for Nexus to launch.
probably in 2011 i will sell it or when nokia morph is launched... :-??
sheik_yerbouti said:
So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.
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Hey Sheik - I didnt realise the devs had a rom that was that close to being the finished item - any other probs withthe rom - i.e. all of the widgets and screen sizes ok? 3g or data and wifi ok etc?
Most of the perks, I can live with. Wi-Fi is a little dodgy, but I can partly blame my router for that. Speed and connectivity problems even with the stock ROM. Of all the widgets I have, they work fine. The Music player needs to be worked on as its size exceeds the Tattoo screen both in portrait and landscape mode. My phone doesn't have 3G. I'm still stuck on 2G, and it works just fine.
Thanx everyone for your replys!
Here is an update from me=)
I have had a spica home for testing but I'm sending it back today I did not like the build qualiy, also has less ram than tattoo, and no sense ui). Me and my brother got the spica for the same price as e new htc tattoo (spica was B-grade" though). No more B-grade for me, one of the charger pins was a bit bend and both the charger and the phone was really dusty, the seller assured it was not in "used condition" though.
I can't help but wonder if the Tattoo would have been a better choise=P
As Genargo pointed out, the tattoo seems to handle 2.1 pretty well (while other sources state that samsung spica lags when scrolling through menues and pulling up the menu (even though this is a official 2.1 release).
But our android craving has been put on ice, atleast for the moment.
gengaro said:
I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
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That sums it up quite nicely, I mean that is is for these kind of moments I want a android phone with me music / gaming and video (divx) is not that important. I guess I see it as a more portable netbook.
Perhaps I should wait and see how android matures, I bet there will be many new models this year. It's amazing how fast android is evolving. Too bad there is no perfect device, I bet there never will be. Another thing that worries me os the dust problem on bothe the HTC hero, Nexus one and the desire (?). Dust underneath the screen would drive me mad=P
Right now there does not seem to be a android phone with a really nice and sturdy buid quality out there. Legends aluminum would scratch too easyli in my opinion and I don't like the cheap feel of the buttons. Hero feels great, too bad that it has the "dust issue"=/
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I have had my Hero for one week, great UI, very laggy and as for media even my Blackberry Bold beats it. This UI needs better hardware, it DESERVES better hardware. I have seem some positives from the Android OS but I'll stick with RIM for now.
So it's going back in the box, along with the 16GB MicroSD and brand new case and going on EBay.
Yep sadly I'm leaning that way to... it's to slow (most to the time), to bugged (all of the time) and like you said useless at media.
I wonder how good the LG BL40 is?
I'm still hoping for a decent update that will fix the lag because the phone. It seems plausible because Hero works okay right after the reboot.
If they wont fix the lag and my BT issue I'm going to sell it also
Did the iphone work great right after launch? Nope. Same with any new handset - I've no doubt there is going to be firmware updates that address most of the problems and speeding up the ui is probably one of them.
I am not experiencing these issues, used mine for 10 days. Lag - very slight very occasional, but nothing like WM6 devices, hardly noticeable. Find the hero a delight, installed 15 apps, added 8GB card. I do find i need to use taskiller after browser sessions to close the browser, same with default twitter app.
The only issue that concerns me is the signal strength at home is low compared to my HTC Tytn - but then again the Tytn is only so good at reception thanks to trying a multitude of radio's from XDA!
Build: 1.76.61.3
Soft: 1.0.0A6288
Firm 1.5
kevinof said:
Did the iphone work great right after launch? Nope. Same with any new handset - I've no doubt there is going to be firmware updates that address most of the problems and speeding up the ui is probably one of them.
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Erm, actually the iPhone (1st Gen) worked quite well out of the box...
The Sense UI is an overlay on top of Android, IMHO I think the device needs a better processor or maybe it could get away with more memory. I used Advanced Task Killer and that done some very weird things, as I mentioned the media is not very good, I had stuttering MP3 playback, it can't play AVI, you have to get a AVI player for that. One thing that REALLY impressed me though was Market Place - Best of the lot I would say. I also liked the fact the screen cleans very easy...
The customizable UI is good, but for me at times the phone would grind to a halt, I even had to do a battery pull (Ah Win Mob Days) to get the thing to work again.
had mine from day one
and i have had no speed problems at all....more than happy with it
good luck with what ever you try next.
I'll just stick with the Blackberry Bold for now, I have my old faithful (Samsung i780) in reserve. I thought about the Touch Pro 2, but I think my missus would shoot me if I turn up with another phone
Had mine for 3 weeks now, and there has been no freezing and very very little lag, I am more than happy with it.
StellaDel said:
I'll just stick with the Blackberry Bold for now, I have my old faithful (Samsung i780) in reserve. I thought about the Touch Pro 2, but I think my missus would shoot me if I turn up with another phone
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I came from a Touch Pro 2 to the Hero, more than happy with the change.
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I came from a Touch Pro 2 to the Hero, more than happy with the change.
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Having had the iPhone and now the Hero I don't think I am a big fan of touch screen keyboards. Don't get me wrong, both of those phones the keyboards are okay - just me wanting something more tactile probably.
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
I'm more than happy with the phone, wouldnt trade it for anything else at the moment!! Can't say Ive had much lag at all... although im quite excited by the idea of a new ROM! Any ideas when this would be?
iammorris said:
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
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I hope you're not lying because you made me feel a little excited.
what's soon?
anyway, i've had a stutter here or there, but nothing big, also mostly when i force it, unlock the device and before the clock went through it's animation go swiping to other pages, such
tried TasKiller and Advanced Task Manager, then read that Android isn't WM and i don't have to kill processes, it will do it when it needs memory, so i uninstalled both and am running it clean now, seems to be working just fine without messing with tasks :/
iammorris said:
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
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I hope your source is right, and I hope soon means next week
For those you you with the Hero I hope the "rumor" is right.
iammorris said:
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
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My fingers are crossed, but how soon is soon? Not that I would get rid of this phone.
i almost put mine on ebay today to go back to my iphone, but every time i ditch something a patch comes out the next day, so i'm keeping it.
the lag is not that bad, but the iphone had no lag at all.
iammorris said:
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
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Oh... only 28 posts and no source... well... I really don't want to say that I don't believe you... but untill you or somebody else can show some proof I am gonna think you're full of it....
As stated in the thread title, I am seriously considering returning my HTC Touch HD2, because I find it almost completely unusable compared to the iphone that I owned previously.
Pros
- Amazing screen
- Everything else that has been highlighted in all the positive reviews that persuaded me to buy the device in the first place (spec, camera, connectivity etc.)
Cons:
- Touchscreen keyboard is unusable and not accurate, even after calibaration (compared to an iphone)
- Web browsing using Opera is frustrating due to the unreliable touchscreen - I find it impossible to click on links; particularly on sites such as this one (with small page numbers etc.) - even when I zoom right in I still can't click the link - there is a huge delay before anything happens, without any feedback to show the link has been clicked - this stuff just worked on the iphone, depsite the smaller screen
- Random app switching, erratic behaviour (screen moving on its own) and regular freezes in all modes/apps
For those who think I am some kind of Apple fan-boy, that couldn't be further from the truth - my iphone developed a dead strip of icons, which forced me to sell it for peanuts, so I vowed to never buy another! The truth of the matter is that the UI of the HD2 just isn't in the same league as the iphone - it's just a cheap imitation.
Maybe if it had Android instead of WM it would stand a chance, but as things currently stand, I find the HD2 completely unusable and will probably be returning it on Monday and getting an iphone, assuming I can persuade Mobile Phones Direct to adhere to the distance selling regulations that provide a 7 day cooling off period (according to their T&C's this only stands if the box is unopened, which is wrong)
Please note that I am posting this for the benefit of others, to provide my personal feedback after using the phone for the last few days. If anyone has any suggestions for how to rectify the problems noted above, I will happily try them.
Catman
I feel your pain...
Hi,
I know how you feel - I've only had it a day and i'm already getting that dreaded feeling! On the plus side I'm delighted to be away from that Stalin 'Jobsie' and his locked down iPhones - on the down side this HD2 is about as user friendly as the space shuttle compared to the jesus phone, and I sued to be so impressed with the iPaq from 6 years ago!!
I do think that I can live with it - just it's not going to be the long winded love affair type relationship - more the 'throwing at the wall' one minute, loving it the next!
Luckily, mines through o2 so i'm going to run with it for 10 days and see how we get along - if all else fails then there's always the 3GS to fall back onto. Although I wasn't for Android on this handset to begin with - from where i'm sitting now it does make more sense!
Good luck figuring it all out!
Look here :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
For some handy tweaks including, haptic feedback in Opera and the abiltiy to click links without zooming in!!!
But I do feel your pain, a little let down with the OS on this phone, everything else is excellent..... build quality, screen, asthetics, CPU, RAM, etc.. Just the OS is a pile of poo! lol
The truth of the matter is that the UI of the HD2 just isn't in the same league as the iphone - it's just a cheap imitation.
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Thanks a lot. You just proof yourself wrong ^^. Whether its better or worse is another question, but imitation? You mean the shortcuts on home screen? You're just *****in'. Pls close this thread we dont need that destructive posts.
Advice: Sell the HD2 and dont complain. I can click even the small ugly boxes in Windows Mobile itself. I dont know how long you've tried to click somethin', but if you really feel that it is impossible for you go back to resistive screen, on the Touch HD it wasnt that bad IMO.
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Thanks a lot. You just proof yourself wrong ^^. Whether its better or worse is another question, but imitation? You mean the shortcuts on home screen? You're just *****in'. Pls close this thread we dont need that destructive posts.
Advice: Sell the HD2 and dont complain. I can click even the small ugly boxes in Windows Mobile itself. I dont know how long you've tried to click somethin', but if you really feel that it is impossible for you go back to resistive screen, on the Touch HD it wasnt that bad IMO.
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion...even one sided twerps like you.
It's kinda strange for me to read your feedback, I had chance to play with the test version of the HD2 and things worked pretty well, most of your "cons" I could not find on my preliminary experience!?
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(hollow laugh)
Good luck with that.
I hear you man. I have the same considerations..
I don't have freezes or random app switching though. and I don't really care about the UI since I use spb mobile shell which runs excellent and so god damn fast on this thing.
but the screen is a problem when browsing. it's not accurate enough for my taste. and using the keyboard is also more cumbersome than on my Topaz...
it really is a beautiful and fast device. sometimes it feels like using a computer more than a phone and that's pretty cool too.
I'm still thinking...
Your poor experience seems to be the result of a faulty handset. For the first 4 days of receiving my HD2, the phone's touchscreen kept making its own decisions, even when left idling on the desk. The touchscreen registered wrong inputs and I had the same impressions of the phone as you have now. It was the final straw when the phone just kept registering the 2 option in Phone mode and refused to stop until I hit the soft reset button.
I took it down to the shop I bought the phone from, had it exchanged after explaining the situation (it did take a threat of wanting a full refund when they initially refused to classify the phone as faulty) and the replaced new handset is a complete different phone to the first one I had, the touchscreen does what suppose to do!
Before throwing all hopes away on the HD2, trying getting it replaced first. It is a genuinely good product, it's a shame that quality control has let some of us down.
Your experience with Opera should be resolved by Karlos G's link.
[EDIT] My phone was also purchased from Mobile Phones Direct. They are rather poor when it comes to refund and exchanges, trying to make up excuses as to why you cannot refund or exchange the phone (lies, lies and more lies... just don't go with the flow). State your case and don't let them push you around.
I guess your are one of the unlucky people to get a "monday"-device. mine has none of the problems you have. my screen is accurate, opera is sometimes picky when you don't zoom in, and I have never experienced any erratic behaviour. the only problem I can recall is the camera issue (pink teint).
I applied Karlo G's link but I still have problems clicking links when zoomed out. maybe I have to get more accurate I'm still getting used to a capacitive screen.
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion...even one sided twerps like you.
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I think NetDwarf has a point... an imitation? Hello? on the iphone you've got hundrets of icons and THAT'S IT!... but this beautiful Sense UI. an Imitation? omg
I agree about the keyboard. I don't understand why they couldn't just have made it the same as the one on the Hero, which is excellent.
Maybe in the next software update they will sort the problem. I have tried some other keyboards and they are even worse than the stock one IMHO, so I'm starting to think it's partly to do with the screen sensitivity. I have tried the sensitivity tweak .cab which purports to help the issue but still it frustrates me.
The word prediction algorithms on the iPhone are infinitely superior, and the screen sensitivity is balanced just right. I have both phones in front of me right now and so have a good balanced perspective on this issue.
Here's my opinion on what is better and what is worse of the two based on a year's ownership of an iPhone and a week's ownership of the HD2 (just based on my USAGE, not pure spec!)
iPhone 3G Pros
More balanced screen sensitivity compared to the HD2 - fewer mistakes with the keyboard or onscreen selections.
More efficient and reliable browsing experience
Transflective screen.
Built in podcatching client. I'm yet to find one to compare with iTunes on the iPhone, although Google Listen comes close on Android. Hopefully they will port it to Windows Mobile soon. iTunes finds even the most obscure Podcasts, most other podcatchers require going online to find feeds that are not well known as their database doesn't have the same span as Apple's iTunes store.
Comparatively small in the hand
Better loudspeaker - clear and resonant.
Better Facebook client (by a HUGE margin)
Better BBC iPlayer experience/general online multimedia experience. Many sites tailor their output to iPhone.
Easier to quickly send/reply to a text (I use iRealQuickSMS and I dont think anything similar is available on WinMo)
Built in App Store with 100s of thousands of apps at very reasonable prices (yes I know a lot of them are crap)
Better Youtube app with full sign-in option which includes subscriptions' newest videos
I prefer the iPhone email client.......the Windows one is horrible for HTML content (sorry guys)
Much better IM client in the form of Beejive than anything Windows Mobile currently has on offer. IM+ is slow and ugly.
More tightly knit development and modding scene (XDAs is split over multiple handsets)
iPhone 3G cons
Inconvenient for quickly adding music - iTunes can be a bit of a cludge
Conversion of Video content is almost always required and takes so long that I don't usually bother unless I'm going on a long journey.
Comparatively low screen resolution, screen isn't as bright and clear as the HD2
Limited bluetooth support (although I don't GENERALLY need bluetooth
No option to buy an extra battery so I often have to carry an external one with me.
Low RAM so things often slow down with heavy usage.
Processor not as powerful as that of the HD2 (although it does have hardware acceleration)
HD2 Pros
Gorgeous, huge screen
Multitasking (although I only use it for IM and the iPhone has push notifications which don't use anywhere near as much battery as having an App constantly running in the background and connected to the internet.)
1ghz processor and plenty of RAM means few slowdowns
Video playback without conversion (through Coreplayer)
Nicer weather integration than the iPhone
Better camera than iPhone 3G (but not 3Gs), dual flash.
Great built quality, slimmer than the iPhone.
More comprehensive browser, similar speed but greater screen real-estate and download support. More browser tweaks available.
Open operating system....supports third party skins such as Touchflo and PointUI
Better sound quality through the same Apple headset as the iPhone (in my opinion). Richer, warmer sound.
Easily customisable ringtones and message tones through the device itself, with no jailbreaking required.
Once unlocked, stays unlocked. No worries about device baseband update causing SIMlock.
Facebook and Youtube account/upload integration.
Expandable memory, easier to add files than the iPhone.
HD2 cons
Fiddly UI generally compared to iPhone.
Oversensitive keyboard. Poor prediction algorithms that seem to rely too heavily on getting the first letter right.
Tinny and poor quality speaker. Sounds like an old AM radio on full blast. Awkward positioning on the back.
Paltry 2g card included in box. iPhone comes preloaded with 8gb minimum
Battery charges a lot slower than iPhone
Poor App store - overpriced Apps, too few innovative ones....most of the best ones such as Coreplayer just aren't there. This is not the HD2s fault, it's just that it has a big effect on the user experience when an App store has such a lame selection. Hands up the man who'd pay £5.99 for Pacman, or £18.14 for SPB Wallet!!!
Youtube app is limited and doesn't support account subscriptions. For such a socially-orientated device this is poor show for HTC, and I'm disappointed.
Inbuilt Twitter app is inferior to most iPhone freebies such as Echofon, and a million miles away from being as good as Tweetie. The nearest Windows Marketplace Equivalent TouchTwit costs £3.99 (Tweetie is £1.79 and still a lot better). Microsoft need to get their arse in gear and sort out the Marketplace.
Rubbish Facebook app, browser is better.
These points are just what came to mind for me based on MY WANTS AND NEEDS.
I do like the HD2, I'm not saying it's rubbish. Most of the problems are just about the software, and if Microsoft step up and get the Marketplace right, and HTC release a new ROM with some upgrades and tweaks then who knows.....things might be ten times better.
Aside from it's **** speaker and the slightly dodgy camera tint issue I cannot fault the HD2's hardware. It is really lush, and I love holding it. It is a joy to have in the hand.
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As stated in the thread title, I am seriously considering returning my HTC Touch HD2, because I find it almost completely unusable compared to the iphone that I owned previously.
Pros
- Amazing screen
- Everything else that has been highlighted in all the positive reviews that persuaded me to buy the device in the first place (spec, camera, connectivity etc.)
Cons:
- Touchscreen keyboard is unusable and not accurate, even after calibaration (compared to an iphone)
- Web browsing using Opera is frustrating due to the unreliable touchscreen - I find it impossible to click on links; particularly on sites such as this one (with small page numbers etc.) - even when I zoom right in I still can't click the link - there is a huge delay before anything happens, without any feedback to show the link has been clicked - this stuff just worked on the iphone, depsite the smaller screen
- Random app switching, erratic behaviour (screen moving on its own) and regular freezes in all modes/apps
For those who think I am some kind of Apple fan-boy, that couldn't be further from the truth - my iphone developed a dead strip of icons, which forced me to sell it for peanuts, so I vowed to never buy another! The truth of the matter is that the UI of the HD2 just isn't in the same league as the iphone - it's just a cheap imitation.
Maybe if it had Android instead of WM it would stand a chance, but as things currently stand, I find the HD2 completely unusable and will probably be returning it on Monday and getting an iphone, assuming I can persuade Mobile Phones Direct to adhere to the distance selling regulations that provide a 7 day cooling off period (according to their T&C's this only stands if the box is unopened, which is wrong)
Please note that I am posting this for the benefit of others, to provide my personal feedback after using the phone for the last few days. If anyone has any suggestions for how to rectify the problems noted above, I will happily try them.
Catman
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for me the HD2 is the best. I agreed with the keyboard but i found a solution.
Install Touch Pal and a cab in order to reduce the sensentive leval of the screen (the cab you can download on this forum). Now i can write even better as on the pro 2 - its really great. Forget I-Phone now.
I always find, the best thing to do with a new phone, is try some tweaks etc and then if it doesn't work out, return it. The tweaks usually fix most of the issues that people have. Without this site I would have really regretted getting my X1 for example. But XDA made it amazing.
I love the HD2, and the only problem I have had so far is getting used to the capacitive screen. Any of the other things (like task manager) have been fixed using tweaks from here.
We are so lucky to have all the amazing guys here on XDA developing and discovering all these tweaks for us, and keeping them all in one place.
I suggest you try some of these (they should fix most of your issues).
I would agree, the keyboard can be crazy. But I think it is a case of getting used to it. Every phone is going to be different. That's the nature of the world we live in.
Even then, I think the cons you have mentioned (most of which are fixable).
I hope you do try those tweaks and that they work for you.
Thanks for all your helpful suggestions and comments. I think it is important for people to get a balanced view about the device (particularly compared to the iphone), after reading so many unilaterlly positive reviews that fail to mention many of the flaws I have highlighted.
I will try the tweaks suggested and see how I get over the next couple of days before making a final decision (I'll post an update here), but HTC really should have done a better job with the initial release (the iphone had none of these problems - I bought one of the very first handsets in the US way before it was released here in the UK).
I am still hopeful that the issues are primarily software-related rather than dodgy hardware, but I will try to get a replacement out of MPD to try if this proves to not be the case.
I think you will find Catman, that most of the issues are related to the way the ROM is setup.
I think the tweaks should fix some of them. Have a read through the tips and tweaks list, and see what you can find. Some of them should help. Also, the CABs from smaberg here should also help.
If you sell it, contact me asap !
I am ok to buy !
For anyone struggling with the keyboard, go to the hints and tips thread and install the referenced CAB to reduce screen sensitivity. My keyboard was basically unusable but installed it and it works about the same as the iPhone maybe slightly better because errors are still corrected with the dictionary a lot better...
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but HTC really should have done a better job with the initial release (the iphone had none of these problems - I bought one of the very first handsets in the US way before it was released here in the UK).
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Wow if you think the iPhone had no problems at launch, you really are living in backwards land.
BTW, I don't think any HD2s have exploded yet either. I'm not sure if you think incendiary injuries are a positive or negative feature? To be "balanced" we should agree that it is both.
Wow, I find the keyboard excellent, I wonder whether its a ROM-version thing...
Regards browser - have you tried Opera Mobile 10?
My phone history is no small list i've tried pretty much everything out there From N97, to Blackberry 9700... HD2 cought my eye because i originally had the HD, however it seems that i'm getting the itch to move on to possibly the N900 or E72
Anyways just wondering what your experiences have been like with your device, and what are your most cool applications?
I change phones quite often too. My last phone in fact was a N900. Great phone yet I felt it was a bit slow. So far I am loving the hd2 and don't have plans to switch for quite some time. With every phone there was always something that bothered me. I thought Windows mobile would be it but so far it has been great. My only past issue was with a touch diamond being a bit sluggish, this hd2 definitely does not have that problem.
I could possibly see a jump to the N900, but an E72 (used to own an E71)?! No way. Using symbian is like jumping through a time warp to the past.
i know im lil off topic but i feel you guys on never finding perfect phone before one i got now. I dont mean to push android on WM guys but other then lil lag sometimes its been best phone for me.
It's gonna take a real monster of a phone for me to even think about considering getting rid of my HD2.
I've never been as happy with a phone as I am with this, and I don't think I'll start having wandering eyes for a looooooooong time!
wait till Winmo 7 comes. I reckon it will be a real sweet OS
I also change phones quite often. I always loved my iphone 3GS, but the HD2 has kept my attention for a while now. It does everything my iphone used to do for me.
I think once Microsoft implements Xbox live games into winmo, we'll all be laughing!
I'll get bored when they have a dual core 1.5 GHz Snapdragon or Tegra 2 HD3 with WM7
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I'll get bored when they have a dual core 1.5 GHz Snapdragon or Tegra 2 HD3 with WM7
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And AT LEAST a 4.7" screen. lol - I wouldn't really want one that big, but I definitely don't want smaller!
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And AT LEAST a 4.7" screen. lol - I wouldn't really want one that big, but I definitely don't want smaller!
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I wouldn't mind an even bigger screen. They could do it with the hd2 by removing the border around the lcd. Imagine nothing but screen corner to corner.
in the end it's still a phone.. doesn't have wheels or boobs..
The experience of the HD2 in most cases spoils you, and you will find it difficult to use a phone with a smaller screen. Apart from the earpiece quality at the higher frequencies, i am completly happy with this phone having owned about 10 different phones including iphone.
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in the end it's still a phone.. doesn't have wheels or boobs..
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But I heard that on WM7 it will preform BJ's .
I must say, the HD2 is one of the best phone I came across.
I've worked over 2 years as the buyer for a multimedia chain and got the oppertunity to test drive a whole lot of device.
Also I'm using a ppc over 7 years now and untill the HD2 there were only 2 devices who have the "professional"/fun factor that the HD2 has.
And that was the Magician and the Universal.
Now I don't argue about the N900 because he has a "full" linux on it and for the linux guru's this is a wonderfull device. But if you aren't that good or fond in Linux then there is nothing special on the N900, and he is idd quite slow in normal use.
The other problem is that several years ago people did not compare a ppc with a normal phone (nokia symbian and etc...) but the mainstream users now also want a pcc thus the discussing is started... (certainly no personal blame meant)
I have no intentions of getting rid of the HD2 until there is a Nvidia Tegra powered platform available running WinMo7 with a screen equal to or bigger than the HD2.
The extra screen size compared to other mobiles on the market today really does make all the difference. I see people considering exchanging their HD2 for the Nexus One, but personally I find the screen a real letdown after being used to my HTC.
The one thing that does bug me about it is the low capacity battery included but, touch wood, so far I've managed to keep it running 24/7 by charging thru the night and every now and again in the car. Not enough of a let down for me to start looking at other handsets anyhow.
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The one thing that does bug me about it is the low capacity battery included but, touch wood, so far I've managed to keep it running 24/7 by charging thru the night and every now and again in the car. Not enough of a let down for me to start looking at other handsets anyhow.
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That is a serious battery drain, do you work so much on your device?
Eg I use my device constantly, 15 sms/day, 1 a 2hours phone, 30min surfing wifi and or hspda and I can do over a day and a half with one battery charge
This topics makes me laugh (not being offensive).
But it's pretty difficult to get bored of it. Of course we could have much more action on it but i'm sure in time we will have that also.
I cant see myself getting bored of the HTC HD2 anytime soon. Still got lots to do to it. Custom Roms, writing my own apps etc. Once i have it perfect then I will be using it until my contract runs out and i can get the latest super phone for free
Seeing as I have just discovered 800x480 encoding of 720p videos using WinMenc makes amazingly clear videos, and the demo of Electopia showing OpenGL 2.0 capabilities, I don't see myself getting bored any time soon.
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That is a serious battery drain, do you work so much on your device?
Eg I use my device constantly, 15 sms/day, 1 a 2hours phone, 30min surfing wifi and or hspda and I can do over a day and a half with one battery charge
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Yeah, I use it constantly for the web and MSN (wifi/hsdpa/3g) as well as calls/sms. I could probably tweak it to last longer by disabling wifi/bluetooth etc when not connected but haven't found a good app to automate this yet.
Of course, once I find a 'cheap' car-cradle with built-in micro-usb (ie. put the phone in the cradle and it automatically starts charging - rather than fiddle around with cables and whatnot) the batterylife won't be a problem no more.
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My phone history is no small list i've tried pretty much everything out there From N97, to Blackberry 9700... HD2 cought my eye because i originally had the HD, however it seems that i'm getting the itch to move on to possibly the N900 or E72
Anyways just wondering what your experiences have been like with your device, and what are your most cool applications?
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No where near board with it but as you've most likely tried everything there is for the HD2 why don't you list your best top 10 apps that you've tried and then we'll compare notes
For me the HD2 is my very first PocketPC/Smartphone. For me this phone is very powerful that it'll do fine for the coming years, if the phone can last that long. My only reason for switching to another phone is when the specs are at least equal to the one of the HD2, MUCH improved battery life and support of both capacative and resistive touch with adequate software and UI support. You can't get better than that. I'm not a gamer, so more power and a higher frequency is not necessarily my wish.
As you can see from my sig, I've been using HTC WM devices for a long time. I really like my TP2, but I feel like there is better out there. Over the past couple months, I tried a G1 (loved android, but thought the phone was too outdated) and a Nokia N97. (awesome phone, horrible OS) I've also tried Android on my Fuze, and now on the Tilt 2.
I've also always had a hard keyboard, and can't see my self using a soft one. I've tried typing on my GF's iphone (great phone, awesome for her, but I hate em)and I do ok, but its nothing like a hard keyboard.
I am only really looking at the milestone because of the keyboard, but its getting some pretty lame reviews, I'm sure its not near as good as my TP2.
One of my huge gripes with these phones has always been lag, and slowdown/freezing. So I'm really leaning towards the Nexus. I'm just worried about having no keyboard. Also, it looks like the Nexus can be (or will soon be able to) flashed with custom ROMS. (which is why I love WM, HTC, and XDA)
So I'm on the fence about switching to Android. And I'm 80% nexus and 20% Milestone. Opinions? Has anyone here gone to Android from WM? Are you happy? Regrets? Will I miss my keyboard? Will I be cool with Android?
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As you can see from my sig, I've been using HTC WM devices for a long time. I really like my TP2, but I feel like there is better out there. Over the past couple months, I tried a G1 (loved android, but thought the phone was too outdated) and a Nokia N97. (awesome phone, horrible OS) I've also tried Android on my Fuze, and now on the Tilt 2.
I've also always had a hard keyboard, and can't see my self using a soft one. I've tried typing on my GF's iphone (great phone, awesome for her, but I hate em)and I do ok, but its nothing like a hard keyboard.
I am only really looking at the milestone because of the keyboard, but its getting some pretty lame reviews, I'm sure its not near as good as my TP2.
One of my huge gripes with these phones has always been lag, and slowdown/freezing. So I'm really leaning towards the Nexus. I'm just worried about having no keyboard. Also, it looks like the Nexus can be (or will soon be able to) flashed with custom ROMS. (which is why I love WM, HTC, and XDA.
So I'm on the fence about switching to Android. And I'm 80% nexus and 20% Milestone. Opinions? Has anyone here gone to Android from WM? Are you happy? Regrets? Will I miss my keyboard? Will I be cool with Android?
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Hey, I recently switched from my fuze running energyrom 6.5 to a Nexus One and have NO regrets at all. The phone does everything my Fuze did and more, both faster, smoother, and sexier. It really is an amazing device. Good luck with your choice!
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Hey, I recently switched from my fuze running energyrom 6.5 to a Nexus One and have NO regrets at all. The phone does everything my Fuze did and more, both faster, smoother, and sexier. It really is an amazing device. Good luck with your choice!
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Thanx for the reply... one question. What about the keyboard? The keyboard on the Fuze was pretty good, and now your typing on a screen. Was it an easy transition?
the milestone HW keyboard sucks from what i've heard. definatly go with the nexus one.
just went to my local Best Buy to checkout a Droid, but they dont have any Verizons phones there. My nearest Verizon dealer is over 20 miles away, dunno if I wanna go that far just to play with a Droid...
I recently switched from my WM devices to a Nexus One and it's been very exciting. The phone does everything, easy transition, faster cpu, smoother, endless customizing, and the virtual KB is cool (once u get use to it).
I went from a sidekick to winmo(MDA - custom roms) for a couple of years to my G1 when that came out, I am a hard keyboard fanatic. So the MyTouch I got I was sure I would hate, I have 2 lines and while I still used my G1 as my main line I started to get used to the soft keyboard. Then came my decision of Droid vs Nexus or wait, I thought about waiting to see when/if they would release a version of the Nexus One with keyboard but then I decided to just buy it and worse case if they come out with one then I'll just sell it and buy that I guess. But i dont really have any complaints, the soft keyboard is actually pretty decent in landscape mode you really get used to it after a bit. In my opinion the minor concern of the keyboard is far outweighed by its overall performance. If they came out with a keyboard version yes id sell this to buy that, i love hard keyboards. However I would rather stay with this than have the droid. I think the droids pretty cool, 2 of my friends have it and I really like it but after using this beast I cant imagine using anything slower.
Well so far it seems the general consensus is I would get used to the soft keyboard, so I'm kinda over my fear of that. Now all thats left is my fear of leaving WM behind.
Also I forgot to mention, I'm on AT&T, so if I ditch my Tilt 2 for the Nexus, 3G is out the window. BUT, in my area I only ever usually see speeds around 400-600kbps, and Edge speeds of 200ish kbps. So I really wouldn't be losing all that much. I lived with it before when I had the G1, and my euro TP2. I have no idea when the evil empire (apple) will let att get any android phones, and I don't wanna wait.
Also, another thing. Email. I have an email addy with my ISP that I don't want to get rid of. Can you setup an email account (other than gmail) and have it check every couple of minutes? (like with WM)
I have a Fuze(and the hermes and kaiser previously) running the latest energyrom as well and my Nexus One will be here tomorrow. I'll report back after I play with it a bit. I can already tell ya that I'm bummed about the lack of BT voice dialing but I'm hoping they add it in future updates. I assume it will take abit to get used to the OSK, I've always told myself I need a physical keyboard so here goes nothing.
I also will be starting with the phone on ATT for a few days before I switch to tmobile. I'm hoping the 3g issue gets resolved on tmobile.
PS I like the screen name
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I assume it will take abit to get used to the OSK, I've always told myself I need a physical keyboard so here goes nothing.
PS I like the screen name
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Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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worthwhile upgrade. race, drag, or street app?
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Also, another thing. Email. I have an email addy with my ISP that I don't want to get rid of. Can you setup an email account (other than gmail) and have it check every couple of minutes? (like with WM)
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I am able set up my office email on my Magic so this should not be a problem.
i went from the dash (oldschool wm 2g phone) to the n1... wow what a difference, i feel like ive moved from the stone age straight into the iron age
i will admit i can type much faster on a physical keyboard but the softkeyboard is not bad, specially if you use landscape mode most of the time, i am ever improving... just takes getting used to
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Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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What car?
You'll need a decent intake mani for the 2J
Back to the OP, I heard that a hardware keyboard version is planned. Was mentioned by google I think.
Also, have you considered the xperia x10?
I'm going to wait and see how it turns out......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIulHcUTss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ozuL5ZHvo&feature=fvw
I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on the N1, just gonna see where this thread goes a little longer....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIulHcUTss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ozuL5ZHvo&feature=fvw
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Very Clean, I've always loved those cars. I'm only making ~270 at the wheels for now but it weighs under 1900
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jliRppFN0EE
Another thing, I have a folder full of sound files I've made (in .mp3 form) that I use for things like my ringer, txt, e-mail, mms etc..
Is it possible to use .mp3's for notifications w/android?
a lot of ppl here went from a 500 mhz windows phone to a 1gz android phone so of course it will be worlds apart.
try winmo on a snapdragon phone (TG01, HTC HD2) and things become so much better. Well depends what's available where you are - in the UK we get a lot of the good phones 1st simply because we have a compatible network.
I of course think I'm somebody and use two phones - a TG01 and a G1 (soon will be a N1 owner). As to which one becomes my regular phone - likely be the android phone - while the TG01 will be relegated to my media player. There is still nothng out there that can compare to the media quality of a snapdragon WinMo phone - Coreplayer players divx/xvid , streams and plays more audio formats.
Android still lacks any decent video playback and still stuck in the .mp4/3gp world. (Yes I can't be bothered to convert my vid files - why should I?)
Of course I am waiting the day when there will be the all in one phone and checking out the highlights of CES 2010 3 phones stuck out (google these):
the new unnamed Samsung running android with exact same specs as the Nexus (and with possible divx/xvid playback!)
the new Lenovo phone - lePhone running android with attchable modular keyboard CPU unknown...
The new LG phone - which I think was snapdragon - with 4.5 inch screen? More a MID or tablet but pretty sweet...
Ok there was news that winmo7 is coming end of march too but no demos..maybe at the MWC next month..
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Another thing, I have a folder full of sound files I've made (in .mp3 form) that I use for things like my ringer, txt, e-mail, mms etc..
Is it possible to use .mp3's for notifications w/android?
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Yup... Make folder on the root drive as follows
media -> audio -> alarms
media -> audio -> notifications
media -> audio -> ringtones
If you put any mp3 on these folders, it will be alarms/notifications/ringtones respectively.
Also, they won't show up in the Music players if they're in these folders.
If I am reading this correctly, it was published today
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X2-Review-review-r_2377.html
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Just for comparative purposes here is their X1 review: http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X1-Review-review-r_2072.html
Camera is really better than, say HD2. Just see the indoor picture, the floor tiles definition is far better. Outside X2 seems quite nice, better, but not as much (although one is taken in summer other in winter). But then it is sluggish taking pictures... Videos seem better defined as well.
It is a pity the performance is so uneven and that SE never finalizes its ROM. So, other functions seem to lag, and development, updates seem very unreliable. Really considered X2, but I'm about to head to HD2 (despite photo's quality, but, well, much better than my Kaiser)...
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Camera is really better than, say HD2. Just see the indoor picture, the floor tiles definition is far better. Outside X2 seems quite nice, better, but not as much (although one is taken in summer other in winter). But then it is sluggish taking pictures... Videos seem better defined as well.
It is a pity the performance is so uneven and that SE never finalizes its ROM. So, other functions seem to lag, and development, updates seem very unreliable. Really considered X2, but I'm about to head to HD2 (despite photo's quality, but, well, much better than my Kaiser)...
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Yeah - my contract ends soon and i am definatley going for the HD2 - the x just looks so sluggish and i cant be bothered with a phone like that again
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Yeah - my contract ends soon and i am definatley going for the HD2 - the x just looks so sluggish and i cant be bothered with a phone like that again
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Me too. HD2 or LG Expo perhaps next, unless I jump to Android for the top notch Motorola cameras (really don't want to, but...)
The Xperia X2 looks nice, but I won't be going that route. It may sound weird, but as it is not made by HTC I will pass on it. Although the build quality may be questionable with the X1, I am very happy with my X1 and my previous HTC Prophet.
I will be probably jumping to the Telstra HD2 (I am also thinking iPhone or Android as well) however I won't be making my final judgement until the following:
(1) HSPL is able to be applied to the Telstra HD2 so that I can flash it with a generic ROM (I think you need HSPL to do so eh?)
(2) What is announced in February by Microsoft
(3) What Apple announces in June about a new iPhone (if any)
(4) Voice command (dialing) on both the Android and iPhone systems are equal to that of Microsoft Voice Command...great piece of software.
In the mean time, I love my X1i and I have no problems with it. The only thing I am looking to do is to get a NEW Xperia X1a so that I can use the 850 MHz 3G band...only eBay has them, but it's all good (maybe I might be able to get it crazy cheap!!)
Another review, very similar results:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-review-443.php
Let me quote my post from Esato:
"There's a significant difference - sometimes at least - between
user experience and reviews experience.
Reviews are needed but sometimes reality is different plus
the device usually gets updated/improved yet the review stays as it was....
I also read so many good reviews of devices which
turned out to be bad in every day usage.
Also, decisive factor is always user preferences...
X2 solves most of my needs,
We will see if X2 will get any optimising updates.
It's well manufactured and makes great photos what I really like,
plus - observe - they say that all the WM strenghts are there.
In the end I rather need a business than multimedia device,
I mean music is my core but I never watch films...
I also don't think WM 6.5 is much more resources hungry than 6.1.
Yet they just claim it's a bad processor responsible for lags - on what base?!
I have X1 on the same hardware and Flash Lite works fine until the buggy Opera 9.5 crashes,
but videos work fine and content too.
Just an example...
I learned my lesson - as MANY users were complaining how bad X1 was out of the box,
I'm still surprised that my X1 works 13 months now without single update nor tweak
and huge amount of installed software inside.
Flawlessly, fine.
We'll see, I will get it in Feb and see how it goes.
Truly, nothing else is interesting enough - for me - to switch my interest...."
Last paragraph from the GSMArena review:
"We can understand the predicament Sony Ericsson were in.
The original XPERIA X1 is not a device to give up on just like this.
But at some point they realized they needed to bring out an update before it was too late.
And as it was becoming obvious WinMo7 was going to take too long,
they decided to proceed with the XPERIA X2 as we know it."
The company is really relying on X10 now -> Android...
I think what they should do is to have a better sense of CONTINUITY...
Very good points. But reviews are good in the sense that these people who have access to many phones. They can compare performance etc. People like me who have to buy in the dark and can not return phone (in Brazil the phones are too expansive and get here 1 year later if they ever get here, so I buy my phones in trips to the US), need the more comments they can get. Another important point is, they take pictures in similar places and similar conditions so you can compare better photos performance. In this case the X2 performs very well.
I have a Kaiser and would be OK with some lag, etc. I rarely watch videos on my PPC (although with a screen the size of the HD2 it could change a little), so X2 could be fine with that. Other areas will be similar or slightly better than my Kaiser. But then, I bought my Kaiser more than 2 years ago. Do I still want (deserve ) to get these lags??
But now, my main concern is that support and development from SE seems to be soooo erratic for the X2. These delays and never officially released... They can't even update their UK page! It is still "expected Jan 10". From what I saw, WM 6.5.3 seems to be a real good update. Will they give it to us? Too many questions, too much confusion... And this not a 300 bucks machine. If it were I would just buy it and see, but it is not. Thus I'm less and less excited by it, despite its many attractives: hardware keyboard, good camera, size (screen could be a little larger, but it is good as it is), some hardware keys... Pity (for me, of course).
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Very good points. But reviews are good in the sense that these people who have access to many phones. They can compare performance etc. People like me who have to buy in the dark and can not return phone (in Brazil the phones are too expansive and get here 1 year later if they ever get here, so I buy my phones in trips to the US), need the more comments they can get. Another important point is, they take pictures in similar places and similar conditions so you can compare better photos performance. In this case the X2 performs very well.
I have a Kaiser and would be OK with some lag, etc. I rarely watch videos on my PPC (although with a screen the size of the HD2 it could change a little), so X2 could be fine with that. Other areas will be similar or slightly better than my Kaiser. But then, I bought my Kaiser more than 2 years ago. Do I still want (deserve ) to get these lags??
But now, my main concern is that support and development from SE seems to be soooo erratic for the X2. These delays and never officially released... They can't even update their UK page! It is still "expected Jan 10". From what I saw, WM 6.5.3 seems to be a real good update. Will they give it to us? Too many questions, too much confusion... And this not a 300 bucks machine. If it were I would just buy it and see, but it is not. Thus I'm less and less excited by it, despite its many attractives: hardware keyboard, good camera, size (screen could be a little larger, but it is good as it is), some hardware keys... Pity (for me, of course).
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If I were you, I'd seriously think about getting an X1 and saving $400. All-in-all, X1 is a very solid phone. The camera is actually excellent except for low-light indoor conditions, something I don't think the X2 fixes. I flashed williyung's WM 6.5.3 and it's very nice - just like a new WM phone. The lags aren't bad at all. I've had a few repair issues but I guess most phones have that? Otherwise, if you are going to spend $800, get an HD2 or maybe hold out for a phone upgradeable to WM7. When it comes out, bet many of us will be anxious to get it!
Just my random 2 cents!
Hey, thanks. Yeah, I'm 90% going on the route of the HD2. Just coming to terms of lack of HD Keyboard and a little too big size, but...
I actually think the X1 is pretty much the same for me comparing to my Kaiser, just a little bit better in few things. I would keep my good old Kaiser. I think its screen too small, kind of too flashy looking, and I never had any problem whatsoever with my Kaiser and many people report these built problems with the X1... Not for me, but thanks for the tip anyway. Appreciated.
The ONLY alternative I've seen around I'd think of
is HTC Trophy.
HD2 is a very powerful machine.
So sad it's disqualified for me
with so many lacks.
doministry said:
The ONLY alternative I've seen around I'd think of
is HTC Trophy.
HD2 is a very powerful machine.
So sad it's disqualified for me
with so many lacks.
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Yeah, lack of HW keyboard, resistive screen, and stylus are hard for me to get past. I think I could get used to them, but might be better to wait.
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Yeah, lack of HW keyboard, resistive screen, and stylus are hard for me to get past. I think I could get used to them, but might be better to wait.
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I would definitely wait.
I mean the capact. screen and lack of keyboard would drive me nuts.
Even if the screen is gorgeous and processor powerful...
doministry said:
The ONLY alternative I've seen around I'd think of
is HTC Trophy.
HD2 is a very powerful machine.
So sad it's disqualified for me
with so many lacks.
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Man that's a nice device...however HTC is starting to piss me off (although I still love them)
Why can't they make phones like the Kaiser when it comes down to the 3G bands...it's usually 900/2100 and then some variants depending on network request.
What I am looking for is 3G 850/1900/2100, or even 900/1900/2100 (1700 right now, for me that is, is not a priority). Very few HTC devices have it, oh well. Anyways, I am very happy with my X1
doministry said:
The ONLY alternative I've seen around I'd think of
is HTC Trophy.
HD2 is a very powerful machine.
So sad it's disqualified for me
with so many lacks.
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Won't the Trophy have a capacitative screen? Otherwise, looks great. Always wondered why no one makes a candybar with a really big screen!
But don't you have to think that HTC will put out a WM7 touch pro3? That would be the one to wait for.
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Won't the Trophy have a capacitative screen? Otherwise, looks great. Always wondered why no one makes a candybar with a really big screen!
But don't you have to think that HTC will put out a WM7 touch pro3? That would be the one to wait for.
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To be honest I really eagerly wait for WM7!
And - hope SE would make a device with it....
Trophy would be nice.
Capactive is crap but it has also trackball so no bad...
But to be honest - I still think of X2.
Well, I was hesitant like all of you, but in the end got X2 the first day available (about two weeks ago) in our country. It's not such an improvement over X1, but in my opinion it's currently the best device with WM and QWERTY. Only that processor is quite a flaw. However, it's not just bigger screen, much better QWERTY, TV-OUT and all the other known stuff, but also probably the best volume rocker and camera shutter I ever had on a mobile device. Making sharp pictures with X2 is much easier than with X1. I might also mention the battery cover, whose opening is not a problem now.
On the whole, X2 removed all the small shortcomings, which you normally ignore, but when using X1 every day they really become a nuisance. I'm very satisfied, but X2's ROM is still quite slow even though not much buggy, so I'm impatiently awaiting an update. Yeah, not to forget, what sucks the most is the absence of Mass Storage mode for USB to PC, hope new ROM will have this feature...
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Well, I was hesitant like all of you, but in the end got X2 the first day available (about two weeks ago) in our country. It's not such an improvement over X1, but in my opinion it's currently the best device with WM and QWERTY. Only that processor is quite a flaw. However, it's not just bigger screen, much better QWERTY, TV-OUT and all the other known stuff, but also probably the best volume rocker and camera shutter I ever had on a mobile device. Making sharp pictures with X2 is much easier than with X1. I might also mention the battery cover, whose opening is not a problem now.
On the whole, X2 removed all the small shortcomings, which you normally ignore, but when using X1 every day they really become a nuisance. I'm very satisfied, but X2's ROM is still quite slow even though not much buggy, so I'm impatiently awaiting an update. Yeah, not to forget, what sucks the most is the absence of Mass Storage mode for USB to PC, hope new ROM will have this feature...
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Absence of Mass storage is a bummer
but than why on one of the reviews - GSMArena or Phonearena
they say it's there?!
the mass storage is a bit annoying. but i installed the active sync program and it can all be accessed from there without too much fuss. i turned off all the automatic sync functions so now it operates very similar to the X1 usb to pc. just click on "explore phone" and click on memory card and thats it. so maybe thats what they used in the reviews.
anothadave said:
the mass storage is a bit annoying. but i installed the active sync program and it can all be accessed from there without too much fuss. i turned off all the automatic sync functions so now it operates very similar to the X1 usb to pc. just click on "explore phone" and click on memory card and thats it. so maybe thats what they used in the reviews.
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Looks like no problem really.
However one of them precisely mentioned both ActiveSync and MassStorage...