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Sony Ericsson 15th Sept Webcast Event

just in case you guys are interested
there supposed to be giving a live webcast about the X1 today at around 1 PST
here is the link
http://www.sonyericsson.com/premiere/
i'm goin to try listen in and see what happens.

Seems i've missed it...
Gonna wait for the recording.
God, won't september 30th come already?

I watched this event and have to say I was incredibly disappointed by it. The phone that Magnus was using was so ridiculously slow that I thought it was actually broken. Really. He had a panel that looked fairly customised with the usual array of time/weather/shortcuts/calendar etc and when he opened the keyboard there was about 3 seconds of delay before the screen rotated. However, it didn't stop there. It only redrew most of the screen. It took over 10 seconds for the phone to redraw the icons in landscape mode. How can this possibly be acceptable? 10 seconds?!!? magnus said he had been using this phone as his personal phone for nearly a year and he said he loved it. How many times has he switched from landscape/portrait and wasted 10 seconds of his life waiting for his phone to catch up.
Further to that, the whole thing seemed ridiculously laggy. He covered it up very well by pressing a button and then talking about the feature whilst waiting for it to load. It was painfully obvious though to anyone in the know what was really going on.
I have seen the recent video on theunwired and the screen rotation looks very fast, which is excellent. But perhaps when you have a more heavily loaded panel that fast screen rotation becomes a thing of the past? Also disappointing was the lack of accelerometer.
I was so keen for the X1 but that was 9 months ago. Now I'm going to wait another month or two and get the Touch HD. It lacks the keyboard, but I'll learn to live without.

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Also saw what you did, but he came on a chat at Modaco afterwards and said that he had a lot of apps open; which could be true...did you see how fast Google Maps came up? Each panel is it's own desktop and programs on it keep running, bound to be a memory hog. He was supposed to be using a retail version also, so should be as fast as the unit at The::Unwired.
To be honest, I never have been happy with my TyTn II for the screen rotation, and looking at video of the Touch Pro it doesn't seem much faster.
Maybe if you set the task manager to close apps when you switch away?

I've just rewatched it and it actually took 16 seconds to rotate the screen at one point!!! Surely that's not acceptable, even if there are plenty of apps running. A device can be made smarter than that with more efficient code.

i didn't get a chance to watch but i dunno i had a lot of really high hopes for this phone but it looks like i might be leaning more towards a touch pro but we'll see how long my wizard holds up before i make decisions about what to do

Webcast
For those who miss it, you can watch it @:-
http://www.inxperia.com/index.php/2008/09/15/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-webcast

There is another (GREAT!) review from Arne available:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-hands-on-with-sony-ericsson-s-latest-xperia-x1-built
As you can see, the switching of orientation is very fast in all examples in this video (today screen, photo browser and opera). The LEDs are amazing and the whole device makes a very good impression to me. I also like the "moving slideshow" feature.
It's quite responsive and even the panels pop up in time.
If the reception quality is also good then this will be definitely my next device.

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There is another (GREAT!) review from Arne available:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-hands-on-with-sony-ericsson-s-latest-xperia-x1-built
As you can see, the switching of orientation is very fast in all examples in this video (today screen, photo browser and opera). The LEDs are amazing and the whole device makes a very good impression to me. I also like the "moving slideshow" feature.
It's quite responsive and even the panels pop up in time.
If the reception quality is also good then this will be definitely my next device.
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yea i'm just lookin at this now and i like this a lot better then that crappy webcast they did earlier
arnie did sony a lot more just then they did themselves

wow after watching the SE webcast I find myself turned off by it, you would think they would of added more razzmotazz? Anyone remember the HTC diamond press release? I'm swaying back back towards getting a pro now

Switching between portrait and landscape mode just seems to take milliseconds only and also the panels start much faster than before.
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Let's hope so.

ratcom said:
wow after watching the SE webcast I find myself turned off by it, you would think they would of added more razzmotazz? Anyone remember the HTC diamond press release? I'm swaying back back towards getting a pro now
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you should check out the other link posted it gives the xperia better justice then that

Keland44 said:
you should check out the other link posted it gives the xperia better justice then that
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yep just watched it and I must say it does give it more justice, I'm back to waiting for the release so a proper comparision can happen.

Well the suit guy (what a douchebag...) did say that he has been using THAT device since february, so it's probably some alpha version of the device
While the other video it's the almost release beta version.

I still think the device that modaco have done a small video review of is too slow. I mean, surely we're past the stage where we have to wait for things to happen. I don't want a phone that you press a button then wait for something to happen, or open the keyboard and wait for the screen to redraw. The first Diamond roms were a fairly slow, and after updating mine it was much better, so perhaps something like that will occur with the xperia. If not, I'll be glossing over this sexy device!

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yep just watched it and I must say it does give it more justice, I'm back to waiting for the release so a proper comparison can happen.
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yea same here i just hope my wizard hooks up long enough if not i might have to get a tilt and might wait till refurb's of the X1 are selling

Insaneboy said:
Well the suit guy (what a douchebag...) did say that he has been using THAT device since february, so it's probably some alpha version of the device
While the other video it's the almost release beta version.
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i know if i had be using my phone for that long with out any backups or a new rom update my phone would have probably been as slow as that also
given that he's not a romhead like us if you don't know what to do with it you'll just let it be unlike us rom start running slow we flash it with something new with the quickness

I'm incredibly disappointed.
Response time for screen switching was a joke ... I've never had an issue with my TyTN or TyTNII ... even though I know some have ... but it was several seconds on the X1 in the video. Also it then seemed to take another 10 seconds to finish populating the screen with icons. The guy then left it open which suggests to me he didn't want to draw too much attention to the time it took.
They were reluctant to answer most technical questions and skirted over the ... it doesn't have tv out one. I was also amazed no one commented on 30FPS performance issues ... I watched the recorded one. I suspect they avoided any difficult incoming questions.
My gut feel is that this will be a very poor showing in it's initial release and if the P series are anything to go by ... updates fixing issues will be few and far between.
This was looking like a dream phone for me ... but now I'm not prepared to buy without trying first hand.
The TouchPro isn't enough of a jump over the TyTN II - same rubbish stills and video and no extra width to the screen ... 800x480 is native for most websites ... so the extra resolution for WVGA makes far more sense than VGA and the G900 showed me there were no issues with apps.
The Touch HD excited me ... and I thought I may get away without the keyboard ... but it also worries me in too many areas ... the first ... although it is 5mp ... the lens is no where as big as the N95 and therefore won't get enough light in to produce decent pictures ... and video is still QVGA which is just crazy for a modern high end device ... it's a little like bring out a car today with a 3 speed auto ... it was fine in '78 with a big old Ford Essex ... but not today. There are also many unanswered questions - Is there TV-Out or not ? How will games be played or those apps that rely today on the dpad - many today screens like Breeze etc ? The touch sensitive buttons ... if they are like the Samsung's we will all be closing calls with out cheeks mid conversation and dialing people when we just pick up the phone to move it.
Why can't these designers think a little. The capability of these phone is amazing now ... but they always miss out those essential things that make a device genuinely complete ... and I don't think it is to hold options for future devices, I just don't think the designers really think things through.
I feel .... very frustrated.

It is always amusing to read the bad and good feelings of all of you here without having one in your own hand. All pre-series and not one of the sold version.
I don't mind this all. I took a great risk to buy the Toshiba G900 with all the bad experiances written about (and the first rom might have been very poor). And what did happen? The G900 is the best manufactured PPC I ever had -best build quality ever seen. With its high resolution it is not slower than my TytnI before. And there you had to wait a good time switching portrait- to landscape-mode.
I am sure the X1 will not only give his owner a very unique design feeling but a good basic to work with. There may be faster PPC, there may be PPC with other features. But most people will buy it in cause of the large screen offering so much more than just 2,8" vga
Buying the X1 will mean not to take the most advantage with games, but texts, internet or similar. Just where the screen has its best sites

if i know htc there will be a Touch HD pro with slide out keyboard after Touch HD

Long time WM user thinking of jumping to Android, looking at Milestone & Nexus...

As you can see from my sig, I've been using HTC WM devices for a long time. I really like my TP2, but I feel like there is better out there. Over the past couple months, I tried a G1 (loved android, but thought the phone was too outdated) and a Nokia N97. (awesome phone, horrible OS) I've also tried Android on my Fuze, and now on the Tilt 2.
I've also always had a hard keyboard, and can't see my self using a soft one. I've tried typing on my GF's iphone (great phone, awesome for her, but I hate em)and I do ok, but its nothing like a hard keyboard.
I am only really looking at the milestone because of the keyboard, but its getting some pretty lame reviews, I'm sure its not near as good as my TP2.
One of my huge gripes with these phones has always been lag, and slowdown/freezing. So I'm really leaning towards the Nexus. I'm just worried about having no keyboard. Also, it looks like the Nexus can be (or will soon be able to) flashed with custom ROMS. (which is why I love WM, HTC, and XDA)
So I'm on the fence about switching to Android. And I'm 80% nexus and 20% Milestone. Opinions? Has anyone here gone to Android from WM? Are you happy? Regrets? Will I miss my keyboard? Will I be cool with Android?

BoostedSR20 said:
As you can see from my sig, I've been using HTC WM devices for a long time. I really like my TP2, but I feel like there is better out there. Over the past couple months, I tried a G1 (loved android, but thought the phone was too outdated) and a Nokia N97. (awesome phone, horrible OS) I've also tried Android on my Fuze, and now on the Tilt 2.
I've also always had a hard keyboard, and can't see my self using a soft one. I've tried typing on my GF's iphone (great phone, awesome for her, but I hate em)and I do ok, but its nothing like a hard keyboard.
I am only really looking at the milestone because of the keyboard, but its getting some pretty lame reviews, I'm sure its not near as good as my TP2.
One of my huge gripes with these phones has always been lag, and slowdown/freezing. So I'm really leaning towards the Nexus. I'm just worried about having no keyboard. Also, it looks like the Nexus can be (or will soon be able to) flashed with custom ROMS. (which is why I love WM, HTC, and XDA.
So I'm on the fence about switching to Android. And I'm 80% nexus and 20% Milestone. Opinions? Has anyone here gone to Android from WM? Are you happy? Regrets? Will I miss my keyboard? Will I be cool with Android?
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Hey, I recently switched from my fuze running energyrom 6.5 to a Nexus One and have NO regrets at all. The phone does everything my Fuze did and more, both faster, smoother, and sexier. It really is an amazing device. Good luck with your choice!

MCreane said:
Hey, I recently switched from my fuze running energyrom 6.5 to a Nexus One and have NO regrets at all. The phone does everything my Fuze did and more, both faster, smoother, and sexier. It really is an amazing device. Good luck with your choice!
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Thanx for the reply... one question. What about the keyboard? The keyboard on the Fuze was pretty good, and now your typing on a screen. Was it an easy transition?

the milestone HW keyboard sucks from what i've heard. definatly go with the nexus one.

just went to my local Best Buy to checkout a Droid, but they dont have any Verizons phones there. My nearest Verizon dealer is over 20 miles away, dunno if I wanna go that far just to play with a Droid...

I recently switched from my WM devices to a Nexus One and it's been very exciting. The phone does everything, easy transition, faster cpu, smoother, endless customizing, and the virtual KB is cool (once u get use to it).

I went from a sidekick to winmo(MDA - custom roms) for a couple of years to my G1 when that came out, I am a hard keyboard fanatic. So the MyTouch I got I was sure I would hate, I have 2 lines and while I still used my G1 as my main line I started to get used to the soft keyboard. Then came my decision of Droid vs Nexus or wait, I thought about waiting to see when/if they would release a version of the Nexus One with keyboard but then I decided to just buy it and worse case if they come out with one then I'll just sell it and buy that I guess. But i dont really have any complaints, the soft keyboard is actually pretty decent in landscape mode you really get used to it after a bit. In my opinion the minor concern of the keyboard is far outweighed by its overall performance. If they came out with a keyboard version yes id sell this to buy that, i love hard keyboards. However I would rather stay with this than have the droid. I think the droids pretty cool, 2 of my friends have it and I really like it but after using this beast I cant imagine using anything slower.

Well so far it seems the general consensus is I would get used to the soft keyboard, so I'm kinda over my fear of that. Now all thats left is my fear of leaving WM behind.
Also I forgot to mention, I'm on AT&T, so if I ditch my Tilt 2 for the Nexus, 3G is out the window. BUT, in my area I only ever usually see speeds around 400-600kbps, and Edge speeds of 200ish kbps. So I really wouldn't be losing all that much. I lived with it before when I had the G1, and my euro TP2. I have no idea when the evil empire (apple) will let att get any android phones, and I don't wanna wait.
Also, another thing. Email. I have an email addy with my ISP that I don't want to get rid of. Can you setup an email account (other than gmail) and have it check every couple of minutes? (like with WM)

I have a Fuze(and the hermes and kaiser previously) running the latest energyrom as well and my Nexus One will be here tomorrow. I'll report back after I play with it a bit. I can already tell ya that I'm bummed about the lack of BT voice dialing but I'm hoping they add it in future updates. I assume it will take abit to get used to the OSK, I've always told myself I need a physical keyboard so here goes nothing.
I also will be starting with the phone on ATT for a few days before I switch to tmobile. I'm hoping the 3g issue gets resolved on tmobile.
PS I like the screen name

zjchaser said:
I assume it will take abit to get used to the OSK, I've always told myself I need a physical keyboard so here goes nothing.
PS I like the screen name
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Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.

BoostedSR20 said:
Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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worthwhile upgrade. race, drag, or street app?

BoostedSR20 said:
Also, another thing. Email. I have an email addy with my ISP that I don't want to get rid of. Can you setup an email account (other than gmail) and have it check every couple of minutes? (like with WM)
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I am able set up my office email on my Magic so this should not be a problem.

i went from the dash (oldschool wm 2g phone) to the n1... wow what a difference, i feel like ive moved from the stone age straight into the iron age
i will admit i can type much faster on a physical keyboard but the softkeyboard is not bad, specially if you use landscape mode most of the time, i am ever improving... just takes getting used to

BoostedSR20 said:
Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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What car?
You'll need a decent intake mani for the 2J
Back to the OP, I heard that a hardware keyboard version is planned. Was mentioned by google I think.
Also, have you considered the xperia x10?
I'm going to wait and see how it turns out......

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worthwhile upgrade. race, drag, or street app?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIulHcUTss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ozuL5ZHvo&feature=fvw

I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on the N1, just gonna see where this thread goes a little longer....

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIulHcUTss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ozuL5ZHvo&feature=fvw
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Very Clean, I've always loved those cars. I'm only making ~270 at the wheels for now but it weighs under 1900
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jliRppFN0EE

Another thing, I have a folder full of sound files I've made (in .mp3 form) that I use for things like my ringer, txt, e-mail, mms etc..
Is it possible to use .mp3's for notifications w/android?

a lot of ppl here went from a 500 mhz windows phone to a 1gz android phone so of course it will be worlds apart.
try winmo on a snapdragon phone (TG01, HTC HD2) and things become so much better. Well depends what's available where you are - in the UK we get a lot of the good phones 1st simply because we have a compatible network.
I of course think I'm somebody and use two phones - a TG01 and a G1 (soon will be a N1 owner). As to which one becomes my regular phone - likely be the android phone - while the TG01 will be relegated to my media player. There is still nothng out there that can compare to the media quality of a snapdragon WinMo phone - Coreplayer players divx/xvid , streams and plays more audio formats.
Android still lacks any decent video playback and still stuck in the .mp4/3gp world. (Yes I can't be bothered to convert my vid files - why should I?)
Of course I am waiting the day when there will be the all in one phone and checking out the highlights of CES 2010 3 phones stuck out (google these):
the new unnamed Samsung running android with exact same specs as the Nexus (and with possible divx/xvid playback!)
the new Lenovo phone - lePhone running android with attchable modular keyboard CPU unknown...
The new LG phone - which I think was snapdragon - with 4.5 inch screen? More a MID or tablet but pretty sweet...
Ok there was news that winmo7 is coming end of march too but no demos..maybe at the MWC next month..

BoostedSR20 said:
Another thing, I have a folder full of sound files I've made (in .mp3 form) that I use for things like my ringer, txt, e-mail, mms etc..
Is it possible to use .mp3's for notifications w/android?
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Yup... Make folder on the root drive as follows
media -> audio -> alarms
media -> audio -> notifications
media -> audio -> ringtones
If you put any mp3 on these folders, it will be alarms/notifications/ringtones respectively.
Also, they won't show up in the Music players if they're in these folders.

A couple of questions for Tattoo owners

Hello!
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
Any other thoughts are also welcome=)
Thanx!

1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.

1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.

1. I've noticed that many apps became available later in the Market after devs added the QVGA tag for them. But it's still something greatly missed.
2. The smaller screen is a slight disadvantage which I was fully aware of when purchasing it, though the 7 home screens kinda make up for it.
3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
4. Probably till the end of this year.
5. I'm pleased with the build quality. No issues there.
6. All I can say is weigh the pros and cons and decide for yourself. I bought this just to gain experience with Android.

Thanx alot for your input guys!
Sorry for the long questions, I thought I wouldn't get any answers because of that=)
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3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
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I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope
that it will provide you with a richer experience!
Me and my brother are currently looking at both the HTC Tattoo and the samsung i5700 "spica". Both phones has issues though.
What worries me the most is that the Tattoo might be a bit laggy and that is why I have such hopes in 2.1.
The Tattoo also seems more sturdy than the spica and I'm almost certain that I will accidently drop it some time.
I also like the fact that you can change the cover.
Some follow up questions: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.

I tried installing 2.1 today, but I got to the Tattoo screen during startup, and then went to a blank screen. Waited for about 10 mins. So recovered the phone, and installing other ROM's now.
PS: I'm in MOD-installing-mood this weekend!

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Some follow up questions[/B]: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.
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I personally notice the lack of colour depth (coming from touch diamond) but its a payoff to having a phone that will fit comfortably in my pocket (unlike the Hero = chin)
Theres not that much blurriness (imho) but you can notice it. Overall its a good android experince but I will be looking to the desire or legend for my next phone as long as they pass my pocket test!!

ragzy said:
I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope that it will provide you with a richer experience
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So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.

ragzy said:
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Hi mate!
ragzy said:
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
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With custom ROMs, the Market is fully available for Tattoo owners. This was the biggest issue I've had, since I'm a big lover of Twidroid and I can mark it as *SOLVED*!
ragzy said:
2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
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Well, the only real problem I have had is the full-qwerty keyboard in portrait mode. It's just a matter of attitude, though. Having used it for 4 months now, I'm able to write very long text messages in a very short time (even if I mainly twit ), and most of the time I disable the automatical corrector as I write both in Italian and in English. The very first days I was in a real pain, coming from a simple T9 Nokia, I felt the full-qwerty was really uncomfortable, but now everything is changed and I can't live without my full qwerty
So, I don't regret. Anyway, before buying the Tattoo I was taking some several looks at the Hero which should now cost around 300 EUR.
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3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
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I've never experienced lag with Tattoo but I'm not a big fan of gaming. I mainly use it for music, Google Maps (man, this is amazing!! I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
The only way to make the phone very laggy is to use the RadioFM along with the GPS, but it's not a "daily" thing you do I guess.
As for the 2.1 ROM it's amazing. Even if it has not Camera and some stuffs are buggy, it's a GREAT ROM, man it's faster than hell, amazing animations, rewritten Messagging and Google Talk apps which are GREAT, every contact has its own tab which is more than good-looking and.. it's great!
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4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
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TBH, I'm already planning to change the phone but this has nothing to do with the Tattoo, it's only that I really love the Nexus One and I'm waiting for the summer as it should be available in Italy and I should have enough money But, really, nothing to do with Tattoo, it's perfect for me.
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5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
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And.. this is a bad point. The plastic in which the stock cover is built it's not perfect. After a couple of months I've had some scratches (not in the display, though) and I'm now buying a new cover.
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6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
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Yes. If that is your budget and if you don't plan in gaming all day long the Tattoo is definitely a perfect phone for you. As you can see, I'm enthusiastic with it, I use it all day, I tweet, I go to Facebook while I'm on the train, I Google, I maps, I read newspapers, I.. do almost everything. Perfect.

i like my tattoo very much. i paid 60-70 euros for it and since I'm a quad rider I usually wear gloves and the screen let's me handle the phone without taking them off.
if my other phone was ok i would have waited for Nexus to launch.
probably in 2011 i will sell it or when nokia morph is launched... :-??

sheik_yerbouti said:
So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.
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Hey Sheik - I didnt realise the devs had a rom that was that close to being the finished item - any other probs withthe rom - i.e. all of the widgets and screen sizes ok? 3g or data and wifi ok etc?

Most of the perks, I can live with. Wi-Fi is a little dodgy, but I can partly blame my router for that. Speed and connectivity problems even with the stock ROM. Of all the widgets I have, they work fine. The Music player needs to be worked on as its size exceeds the Tattoo screen both in portrait and landscape mode. My phone doesn't have 3G. I'm still stuck on 2G, and it works just fine.

Thanx everyone for your replys!
Here is an update from me=)
I have had a spica home for testing but I'm sending it back today I did not like the build qualiy, also has less ram than tattoo, and no sense ui). Me and my brother got the spica for the same price as e new htc tattoo (spica was B-grade" though). No more B-grade for me, one of the charger pins was a bit bend and both the charger and the phone was really dusty, the seller assured it was not in "used condition" though.
I can't help but wonder if the Tattoo would have been a better choise=P
As Genargo pointed out, the tattoo seems to handle 2.1 pretty well (while other sources state that samsung spica lags when scrolling through menues and pulling up the menu (even though this is a official 2.1 release).
But our android craving has been put on ice, atleast for the moment.
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I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
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That sums it up quite nicely, I mean that is is for these kind of moments I want a android phone with me music / gaming and video (divx) is not that important. I guess I see it as a more portable netbook.
Perhaps I should wait and see how android matures, I bet there will be many new models this year. It's amazing how fast android is evolving. Too bad there is no perfect device, I bet there never will be. Another thing that worries me os the dust problem on bothe the HTC hero, Nexus one and the desire (?). Dust underneath the screen would drive me mad=P
Right now there does not seem to be a android phone with a really nice and sturdy buid quality out there. Legends aluminum would scratch too easyli in my opinion and I don't like the cheap feel of the buttons. Hero feels great, too bad that it has the "dust issue"=/

Reasons why I should buy the HD2 instead of the Nexus One

Guys, I'm absolutely TORN between these two, and am leaning toward the HD2 a lot (because of how comfortable customizing Windows Mobile is) but can someone tell me why the HD2 is a better buy than the Nexus One? I'm just looking for some reassurance as to how the HD2 is better (apart from the screen size).

i have the hd2 and is a powerfull device the only thing is it have WM if i were you ill buy the nexus or you have a better option the evo 4g

Your decision
Andriod is great, for some people, wm is great for some, I love hd2, but personal choice,. Thats why so many different phones to choose from, lots of different personal choices,,,Quig

brekem said:
i have the hd2 and is a powerfull device the only thing is it have WM if i were you ill buy the nexus or you have a better option the evo 4g
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The EVO 4G is a CDMA device and I use a GSM network. How is the Nexus One better than the HD2?

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Andriod is great, for some people, wm is great for some, I love hd2, but personal choice,. Thats why so many different phones to choose from, lots of different personal choices,,,Quig
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Doesn't the HD2 have a lot of problems? I read this post of a guy with an HD2 and he said he has a new problem with it every day lol is that true?

well i cant tell you if it but i comming from a g1 i prefferd android over WM

Why not check the HTC Droid Incredible if android is a option
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQOsgZFBUGY
i , myself use a HD2 and i love it.

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Doesn't the HD2 have a lot of problems? I read this post of a guy with an HD2 and he said he has a new problem with it every day lol is that true?
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I saw that too. TBH i think that was a very large case of user incompetence. I've had my HD2 about 6 weeks now and i've not had any problems with it that weren't my fault to begin with except for the sms sound notification issue and the slow HTC messaging application issue but these are problems almost everyone is having and the second one isn't so bad if you don't have text mainiacs for friends or want to flash a custom rom that use's the outlook style WM default.
I love my windows mobile device for the simple things. Things like direct push of my email from my exchange server and the familiar UI. As a linux fan i was very excited when android was first annouced but after using a G1 in the local tmobile store i changed my mind a little. I haven't used android since so i have no idea if it's grown up any.

Nexus One uses a crappy pentile AMOLED screen.
Until today, I have not had a single lock-up, freeze, etc and what have you with my HD2. I think it all boils down to how versed you are with Windows Mobile. I however, did (without much thinking), double clicked on the SimLock.exe program to see what would happen. Naturally, this pained me for 60 seconds since I couldn't minimize the program. I had to hit the home key (brings it up for .5 second before the sim lock program comes up again) and quickly swipe my way to the soft reset button (had to do this 8 times while starting up every other program because it was a fleeting image. It was funny.

M3PH said:
I saw that too. TBH i think that was a very large case of user incompetence. I've had my HD2 about 6 weeks now and i've not had any problems with it that weren't my fault to begin with except for the sms sound notification issue and the slow HTC messaging application issue but these are problems almost everyone is having and the second one isn't so bad if you don't have text mainiacs for friends or want to flash a custom rom that use's the outlook style WM default.
I love my windows mobile device for the simple things. Things like direct push of my email from my exchange server and the familiar UI. As a linux fan i was very excited when android was first annouced but after using a G1 in the local tmobile store i changed my mind a little. I haven't used android since so i have no idea if it's grown up any.
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What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
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Nexus One uses a crappy pentile AMOLED screen.
Until today, I have not had a single lock-up, freeze, etc and what have you with my HD2. I think it all boils down to how versed you are with Windows Mobile. I however, did (without much thinking), double clicked on the SimLock.exe program to see what would happen. Naturally, this pained me for 60 seconds since I couldn't minimize the program. I had to hit the home key (brings it up for .5 second before the sim lock program comes up again) and quickly swipe my way to the soft reset button (had to do this 8 times while starting up every other program because it was a fleeting image. It was funny.
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Yeah it's things like that that make me think a WM device has a sort of soul, it always needs your attention, like Windows does. I used to have an iPAQ h4150 that ran WM2003 and I loved the apps and the gaming and file management capabilites. I also loved how everything was so familiar and easy to use. It's just that with the flick and swipe culture being so rampant everywhere and combining this with Android's open nature, just makes me think that WM 6.5 won't be as worthwhile. and lol why didn't you just pop the battery door off and reset?

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What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
Yeah it's things like that that make me think a WM device has a sort of soul, it always needs your attention, like Windows does. I used to have an iPAQ h4150 that ran WM2003 and I loved the apps and the gaming and file management capabilites. I also loved how everything was so familiar and easy to use. It's just that with the flick and swipe culture being so rampant everywhere and combining this with Android's open nature, just makes me think that WM 6.5 won't be as worthwhile. and lol why didn't you just pop the battery door off and reset?
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Firstly, that was not challenging. Easy way out.
Anyhow, hope you make a decision. WM 6.5 will be around for at least a year more after WP7 releases (so roughly 2 years or close to it if you get it now). By then, when you've used the HD2 as the last great Windows Mobile device, you can switch to the Hd4 which probably has 800mhz quadcore chips or something with 5000mAH batteries the size of a nickel or something. Who the heck knows what will happen in 2 years. A lot of emerging battery tech is arriving, and I hope it reaches the mobile scene soon since battery life as it is is sagging behind by a decade or more now.

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What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
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On occasion and at random the phone will not play the sms notification sound if the device is in standby but as soon as you hit any button to bring the device out of standby mode it pings you. The way i get around it is to enable a registry tweak which makes the green led at the top of the device blink when a message comes in.
The messaging app itself is just plain slow. If you have a contact with more than a few messages associated with them it can take up to 30 seconds to load them all. There is also a small delay when you hit the text input to start typing new sms messages. It is very much down to poor coding imho and although there are a couple of cabs out there to are supposed to fix this they appear to be a bit hit and miss. It doesn't really bug me that much, i think it as sort of a quirk and if you text while watching TV or doing other things then you don't really notice it.

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On occasion and at random the phone will not play the sms notification sound if the device is in standby but as soon as you hit any button to bring the device out of standby mode it pings you. The way i get around it is to enable a registry tweak which makes the green led at the top of the device blink when a message comes in.
The messaging app itself is just plain slow. If you have a contact with more than a few messages associated with them it can take up to 30 seconds to load them all. There is also a small delay when you hit the text input to start typing new sms messages. It is very much down to poor coding imho and although there are a couple of cabs out there to are supposed to fix this they appear to be a bit hit and miss. It doesn't really bug me that much, i think it as sort of a quirk and if you text while watching TV or doing other things then you don't really notice it.
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Darn I usually leave my phone somewhere on my bed or couch and I wouldn't see a blinking LED, usually I depend on the sound.
And 30 seconds? That's a lot of time, even my current Symbian smartphone doesn't take that long.
Do you think that, at this point, with WP7 and Android Gingerbread coming out in the end of the year, it would be better for me to skip out on a smartphone?

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Darn I usually leave my phone somewhere on my bed or couch and I wouldn't see a blinking LED, usually I depend on the sound.
And 30 seconds? That's a lot of time, even my current Symbian smartphone doesn't take that long.
Do you think that, at this point, with WP7 and Android Gingerbread coming out in the end of the year, it would be better for me to skip out on a smartphone?
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Like I said, if you wait, you'll have a dual-core snapdragon next year. Of course, even after WP7 comes out, it'll take about 2 ~ 3 years before it even reaches the maturity of what Windows Mobile is today.

So I'm supposed to wait huh?
Darn, I guess I'll never see HTC/Microsoft's last hurrah with Windows Mobile 6.5. I think it's okay though, I might as well get a decent notebook that'll last me a couple of years so that I don't ask as much from a smartphone as I was asking from Windows Mobile and the HD2.

I dare say there will be a call for downgrading devices from wp7 to wm6.5, a lot of people will be unhappy with the reduced functionality and lack of customisability.

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So I'm supposed to wait huh?
Darn, I guess I'll never see HTC/Microsoft's last hurrah with Windows Mobile 6.5. I think it's okay though, I might as well get a decent notebook that'll last me a couple of years so that I don't ask as much from a smartphone as I was asking from Windows Mobile and the HD2.
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I would never have got my Leo if it wasn't for O2-UK's inability to understand terms like redundancy and co-location and finally, an enthusiastic builder with a shovel but it is seriously the best phone (well it's not really a phone more a personal communications device) i have ever had. Yeah it's got it's problems but they are all HTC's fault for not sticking with the stock interface throughout and instead thinking they can do better.
If i was you (and 6 weeks ago i sorta was) i would go for the HD2 and i would make the same choice everytime of offering.

A friend of mine got the EVO on release day, and I've spent some time messing with it. Suprisingly, with Sense running on both, the core experience between the two is very similar. At the end of the day, I'd go for the EVO over the HD2 for the availability of apps, and what feels like a better touchscreen, but I don't feel the HD2 is as inferior to the EVO as I thought I would.
Between the HD2 and the Nexus one, I'd go for the HD2 because of the bigger screen, and generally better hardware. I'm an old iPhone user, so the hype of apps wore off for me a long time ago....if Apps are important to you, then definitely get the Nexus One, otherwise my vote goes for the HD2.
The last few iterations of the Energy Rom have been rock solid stable for me...rarely crashes, if ever. No messaging bug or crashes for me.

hd2 all the way. nexus one has been reviewed up against the hd2 and has proven to have better hardware run smoother. i have found if your an app person Windows mobile is still as possible to compete availability is concerned. i use omarket which is an app market for freewarepocketpc.net and also i visit umnet.com and i am just happy when it comes to apps.

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I would never have got my Leo if it wasn't for O2-UK's inability to understand terms like redundancy and co-location and finally, an enthusiastic builder with a shovel but it is seriously the best phone (well it's not really a phone more a personal communications device) i have ever had. Yeah it's got it's problems but they are all HTC's fault for not sticking with the stock interface throughout and instead thinking they can do better.
If i was you (and 6 weeks ago i sorta was) i would go for the HD2 and i would make the same choice everytime of offering.
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I'm pretty much looking for laptop-esque functionality, i.e. downloading torrents, word document composing and everything in a pocket-friendly package. Do you think it offers that? And what ROM are you running?
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A friend of mine got the EVO on release day, and I've spent some time messing with it. Suprisingly, with Sense running on both, the core experience between the two is very similar. At the end of the day, I'd go for the EVO over the HD2 for the availability of apps, and what feels like a better touchscreen, but I don't feel the HD2 is as inferior to the EVO as I thought I would.
Between the HD2 and the Nexus one, I'd go for the HD2 because of the bigger screen, and generally better hardware. I'm an old iPhone user, so the hype of apps wore off for me a long time ago....if Apps are important to you, then definitely get the Nexus One, otherwise my vote goes for the HD2.
The last few iterations of the Energy Rom have been rock solid stable for me...rarely crashes, if ever. No messaging bug or crashes for me.
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You sure? The person above said almost everyone has the messaging bug.
Any major issues worth mentioning?

Is it worth it?

I live in Canada, and the GT10.1 will be released in a few weeks here, and I've been meaning to pick up my first tablet. Was hoping to get something from HTC since I like their products, but they don't seem to be releasing any tablets in Canada. Not for a while at least.
Is this tablet worth it? What has been your experiences so far? Should I bother with it, or should I wait for HTC?

Wait a bit. Honeycomb still has a long way to go.
If you're OK with what feels like beta software then go for it.
I'm enjoying mine.

I've been reading threads about the issues with the screen on this device. Is it really that bad? There seems to have been quite a few posts complaining about it. Seems like a huge drawback for me imo.

I put TouchWiz on my device this morning and it feels much nicer now... far more polished and even more cool features that aren't found on any other tablets
See my thread for more information on it, including a video
On the screen it is actually AFAIK the best screen in a tablet worldwide at the moment. Not long now until new 300dpi screens will be released but until then the screen is truly the best. I did however have an issue with an oily like pattern forming under my screen... I put it in the fridge and it appears to have fixed it

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I've been reading threads about the issues with the screen on this device. Is it really that bad? There seems to have been quite a few posts complaining about it. Seems like a huge drawback for me imo.
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There are no issues with my screen on my current tab...on my previous one I had the moisture problem. But this is one of the best screens currently, the only thing you should worry is honeycomb still being in early development stage.
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I'd just say get the Tab... but then again I've never been one for HTC products. (And yes, I realize XDA is probably the worse place one could say that. )

Don't bother waiting for something better - there always is and it's not worth the wait.
Anything you buy now will be updated for the next 18 months with new OS builds and XDA will be here way after that with more updates.

I love this thing. There are negatives sides to every tablet out there. I like this guy because it weighs nothing, really fast, does flash and has a really bright screen. For me these far outweigh the minor bugs. Plus the apps are getting better and better.
I did a lot of research before my purchase. I would play around on it and see how it does the things that you want it for in the store.

I plan on using my tablet to watch movies or read books on my daily commutes. Is the tab good for it? Is it comfortable to hold for extended periods of time?

The hardware is nice, no problem with that.
But Honeycomb lacks quality and offers many bugs, there are only ~200-300 apps.
Next Android release will be 4.0 which is going to merge smartphone versions and tablet versions. Honeycomb is tablet ONLY. So just think this way: If you want to create apps, for which version do you decide? Or are you moving to Ipads, where you have none of those problems and a 5 times larger community to sell your apps?
If you want an tablet NOW, go and buy an Ipad2. If you can wait, then wait for Ipad3 or Android 4.0 and see if Android quality has improved. There will be Win8 tablets too next year. If it's 100% PC compatible, then this will be a winner.
At the moment, the tablet market stands in front of a crossroad and no one knows exactly which way to go. But for now, Ipad2 dominates.

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I live in Canada, and the GT10.1 will be released in a few weeks here, and I've been meaning to pick up my first tablet. Was hoping to get something from HTC since I like their products, but they don't seem to be releasing any tablets in Canada. Not for a while at least.
Is this tablet worth it? What has been your experiences so far? Should I bother with it, or should I wait for HTC?
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As many have already said, if you are looking for perfection and don't have a tolerance for a few bugs, then I'd pass on the GT10.1. I have it, I love it (most of the time) but it's very obvious that the o/s needs a lot of work. It's buggy, there are a bunch of glitches in the apps that come on the device, forcing you to either deal with it or download alternatives (which I find annoying), there is not a huge selection of apps (I'm a business user for the most part so I'm covered). I don't do much, if any, gaming on my device, and I don't root so for me it's a matter of hating Apple and preferring to have everything synched with my Gmail account.
I am waiting on a fully-compatible Windows device next year, that's when I'll be happy. Until then, I satisfy my tech addiction with Android.

Jesus people are ridiculous. If you know how to use the thing properly, there are almost no issues. A few FCes here and there on certain apps, sometimes there are workarounds.
Otherwise, best tablet screen, thin and light as hell, great battery life. Honeycomb isn't even bad wtf?? I use ADW for launcher anyway but all the Honeycomb parts are sick and work and look great. Am I missing something?? The OS is fast and works nice. Add root and Clockwork Recovery to that and this thing is great, esp the 32GB one.
Again, am I missing something??

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I plan on using my tablet to watch movies or read books on my daily commutes. Is the tab good for it? Is it comfortable to hold for extended periods of time?
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Definitely comfortable to hold and very light weight.

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If that's what youre gonna be doing, then the Tab is perfect for you. It's wide screen viewing angle is much better than watching a movie on the iPad or TouchPad because they are 4:3. The Tab also has a higher resolution for viewing too. The other main factor is that it is the lightest tablet and it will not strain you to hold it up.

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Jesus people are ridiculous. If you know how to use the thing properly, there are almost no issues. A few FCes here and there on certain apps, sometimes there are workarounds.
Otherwise, best tablet screen, thin and light as hell, great battery life. Honeycomb isn't even bad wtf?? I use ADW for launcher anyway but all the Honeycomb parts are sick and work and look great. Am I missing something?? The OS is fast and works nice. Add root and Clockwork Recovery to that and this thing is great, esp the 32GB one.
Again, am I missing something??
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I gotta agree with you here. The main issue with my tablet it the market bugs, which I've been reporting every time they happen, so they can be fixed. Even that isn't a huge deal for me. I love this device.

This is definitely the best tablet out there at the moment. Obviously there are going to be some newer tabs released later this year but for now this is a gr8 buy and is a beautiful and powerful machine. Obviously you can wait for something better but for now hands down best tablet on market imo.

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Jesus people are ridiculous. If you know how to use the thing properly, there are almost no issues. A few FCes here and there on certain apps, sometimes there are workarounds.
Otherwise, best tablet screen, thin and light as hell, great battery life. Honeycomb isn't even bad wtf?? I use ADW for launcher anyway but all the Honeycomb parts are sick and work and look great. Am I missing something?? The OS is fast and works nice. Add root and Clockwork Recovery to that and this thing is great, esp the 32GB one.
Again, am I missing something??
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Yes, you are missing something
There are plenty of bugs with this device
And if you think 'a couple of FC's here and there' is OK then you're the reason why large companies can push out half baked software and get away with it.

khanable said:
Yes, you are missing something
There are plenty of bugs with this device
And if you think 'a couple of FC's here and there' is OK then you're the reason why large companies can push out half baked software and get away with it.
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Um every previous and current Android system force closes apps all the time..no different.
Nonetheless, I barely get any.

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Um every previous and current Android system force closes apps all the time..no different.
Nonetheless, I barely get any.
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Same here - hardly any FC's

We humans aren't perfect, therefore the devices can never be made problem free. If Honeycomb bothers you so much, why don't you work on it and make it without everything you complain about?
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