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Haykuro SPL 1.33.2005

I have currently the Engineering SPL and I am thinking of trying the Haykuro builds that for what I have been reading require the SPL 1.33.2005, for what I understand it frees up memory for Haykuro builds, my question is would I lose the functionality of the Engineering SPL? Is the SPL 1.33.2005 like the standard rainbow SPL? Would I be able to return to the JF builds if I decide too?
Could someone go about the pros and cons of going to the SPL 1.33.2005? Thank you all in advance.

pros more space and compatible with all builds
cons you may brick your phoen to a point that we cannot fix
thank you have a nice day

I agree to me its just a normal spl and I already tried flashing to id 1.51 and it worked fine. U have to be carefully web flashing that spl because if urnot carefully it will brick Ur phone. Just do more research

Thank you for the answers guys, one more question would I be able to use fastboot with SPL 1.33.2005?

recoil said:
Thank you for the answers guys, one more question would I be able to use fastboot with SPL 1.33.2005?
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yes...
also, since it hasn't been mentioned in this thread...make sure you have a PVT board before applying this SPL (check by booting to your current bootloader / SPL / skateboarding android screen and read the text @ the top)
...and update to the latest radio BEFORE flashing the SPL

recoil said:
Thank you for the answers guys, one more question would I be able to use fastboot with SPL 1.33.2005?
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yes you can.

Guys, I already have the 261 radio which i believe is the latest one, do i still need to reflash the radio before i flash the latest spl or can i just skip the radio?

You have the correct radio, so as long as you have a PVT board, you should be okay. Just don't flash back to an older radio version with that SPL.

Does It Have Hard SPL Features?
Does anyone know whether this has the same features of the HardSPL? I don't want to lose the ability to do nandroid backups, or to have a busybox console to get into.
If this is just a modified HardSPL then I'll probably take the plunge, otherwise I think I'll wait until Haykuru's modifications get added to the HardSPL.

kathi17 said:
You have the correct radio, so as long as you have a PVT board, you should be okay. Just don't flash back to an older radio version with that SPL.
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That's the deciding factor for me. I like being able to flash back and forth between radio roms. The original 1.22 RR seems to work better for me with most of the updated roms.

Sorry to ask but I searched for this answer to no avail - how can I tell if I have a PVT board? I had my G1 before release (employee), I am almost positive it is, but is there a terminal command to show what version I have?

@TheMan: this was just a few posts up
alapapa said:
yes...
also, since it hasn't been mentioned in this thread...make sure you have a PVT board before applying this SPL (check by booting to your current bootloader / SPL / skateboarding android screen and read the text @ the top)
...and update to the latest radio BEFORE flashing the SPL
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TheMan42 said:
Sorry to ask but I searched for this answer to no avail - how can I tell if I have a PVT board? I had my G1 before release (employee), I am almost positive it is, but is there a terminal command to show what version I have?
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power + camera button

i tried flashing the new SPL to my G1 with Dude's 1.2a and my phone was hanging @ the G1 screen. I applied the old HardSPL and everything is ok again... can i apply the new SPL and reflash dude 1.2a and get good results??

Praeluceo said:
Does anyone know whether this has the same features of the HardSPL? I don't want to lose the ability to do nandroid backups, or to have a busybox console to get into.
If this is just a modified HardSPL then I'll probably take the plunge, otherwise I think I'll wait until Haykuru's modifications get added to the HardSPL.
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i had HardSPL then finally decided to flash H's SPL. be careful because it is possible to brick your phone!
the most noticeable difference i saw was the more internal memory. from a wipe, from 52mb norm to 62+mb i think.
this is what cyanogen told me about H's newest SPL.
cyanogen said:
I have Haykuro's SPL. It removes the /cache mount and adds the space to /system, thats all. It has bricked some peoples phones, though.
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my board is PVT but my radio is 3.22.20.17

gwydionwaters said:
my board is PVT but my radio is 3.22.20.17
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mine too
have you done anything to your phone yet

I tried flashing the radio and SPL before I read not to (rogers ftw)
And it went to the flash loading bar and just resets and nothing happens. I tried the alt-w first and flashing just doesnt work.
I know now that was a bad idea but it didnt do anything anyway.

Where did the extra System space come from?
I have a question about Haykuro's SPL. I understand he bumped up the System size. But where did he allocate space from? Will that space be needed in the future? Sorry, if this is a noob question.
Thanks

Praeluceo said:
Does anyone know whether this has the same features of the HardSPL? I don't want to lose the ability to do nandroid backups, or to have a busybox console to get into.
If this is just a modified HardSPL then I'll probably take the plunge, otherwise I think I'll wait until Haykuru's modifications get added to the HardSPL.
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it does have all the features .. and more

Attempt to fix my phone

First, my problem started with either updating to the new JFv1.43 recovery, or flashing the new SPL from Haykuro.
Symptoms:
1. Everytime I flash a new ROM, wipe or no wipe, I come back stuck at the T-Mobile G1 boot screen. The only way I've found to get through is to take out battery and boot into ADB (the Camera + Power screen) and "fastboot flash boot boot.img". This almost always work.
2. Nandroid stopped working. Nandroid always errors during the process of backing up, and I'd only have splash1.img and splash2.img in the nandroid folder of my SD card. Kind of want to try reflashing the JFv1.43, or even go back to 1.42 (can't find) for troubleshooting. Also not sure if this would affect the new SPL and cause a brick.
3. "Insufficient storage available" with Dude's and Cyanogen's builds. I'm not sure if this one is related to recovery or SPL. This might be caused by past attempts at doing apps2sd (I've done both symlink and unionfs).
Anyways, losing Nandroid has lost me a lot of time with trying out new ROM's, I'd really like to get it fixed. The boot stuck is a nuisance, but much less troublesome than losing Nandroid.

Its the SPL.

lbcoder said:
Its the SPL.
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So then I'm stuck in this situation? Since the SPL can't be downgraded.

cigar3tte said:
So then I'm stuck in this situation? Since the SPL can't be downgraded.
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I'm not positive (***so dont do this without researching***) but i think it would be possible to flash to a different one ( i mean, you flashed another SPL over the original one, right? ).
There is a "mega-thread" that has information on all the SPL's and their features/updates. If the info is anywhere, it's prob in there. Search in the Dev forum.

tr.slate said:
I'm not positive (***so dont do this without researching***) but i think it would be possible to flash to a different one ( i mean, you flashed another SPL over the original one, right? ).
There is a "mega-thread" that has information on all the SPL's and their features/updates. If the info is anywhere, it's prob in there. Search in the Dev forum.
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As far as I can remember, that is where I read that you can't flash the older SPL over the new one.

cigar3tte said:
as far as i can remember, that is where i read that you can't flash the older spl over the new one.
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damn the man!

cigar3tte said:
As far as I can remember, that is where I read that you can't flash the older SPL over the new one.
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I could be wrong, but the key is not flashing an older RADIO with the newer spl.
You should still be able to go back to hardspl with no issues.

cigar3tte said:
As far as I can remember, that is where I read that you can't flash the older SPL over the new one.
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I have flashed from the New H SPL to the HardSPL i originally had on the phone when I found out people were having trouble with the SPL. I install the NEW SPL again to run Hero, but you CAN flash it back to the older SPL I would recomend HARDSPL though.
*not responsible if this doesn't work but I was able to do this without any trouble. Was just a bit nerve racking.

i am 99% sure the above post is correct, don't flash a different radio, but you can flash another SPL right over the Haykuro SPL. i would double check that as there is a 1% chance it will totally screw your phone and i don't wanna be the guy that told you to do something that bricked your phone, but it should work. just to be safe you should make sure splash1 is the t-mo g1 screen so if it stops you can call t-mo

i flashed from the latest haykuro spl 1.33.2005 , to the original t-mobile spl HBOOT-0.95.0000. I fastbooted and it was showing the original spl installed.

WTF is an SPL?!

LOL I have this:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
HBOOT-1.33.0006 (SAPP30000)
CPLD-10
Radio-2.22.19.261
May 27 2009, 19:06:41
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I think it's a perfected SPL but who knows.. Satan?
I want to update my lame ass SPL to one of these bad boys:
Haykuro's "Death" SPL
OR
Magic SPL HBOOT Collection
From these Awesome Website and Also Awesome, I've narrowed down the steps to Victory!
Here's what my Brain thinks:
1.) Download an SPL (i.e Haykuro's "Death" SPL).
2.) Transfer to SD Card.
3.) Go into Recovery Mode (Amon_Ra-v1.5.2G)
4.) Scroll down to "Flash zip from sdcard".
5.) Flash Haykuro's "Death" SPL.
6.) Reboot system now and wait for it to enter Recovery Mode again.
8.) Check for new SPL, and you're done?
My Q's:
1.) Are my steps horribly wrong and could possibly brick my phone?
2.) No wiping required?
3.) If it gets stuck on Formatting CACHE for a long long long time..what to do?

your rooted
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
so i doubt you can get to recovery

sitimber said:
your rooted
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
so i doubt you can get to recovery
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Yes, I know I'm rooted. I just want to update my spl to the latest. And I can definitely get to recovery mode, was just flashing a couple of roms earlier.
Give me some help, bro!

i am also confused. I have a mytouch 3g with a "perfect" (1.33.0006)SPL... what does that mean? what cant I do with this SPL that I can do with a danger SPL? I already have CM Recovery 1.4 + latest Cyanogen Mod rom...

Man, if you don't know what an SPL is, then you're "so 2000 and late." Haha sorry, I had to man

k but instead of sounding smart cause you know something us people who are late dont... how bout explaining?

kareeem said:
Man, if you don't know what an SPL is, then you're "so 2000 and late." Haha sorry, I had to man
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Hahahaha and that beat goes zoooom zoooom zooom
kareeem stop making jokes help us out, LOL
What's your current SPL, and how did you install it?

melterx12 said:
k but instead of sounding smart cause you know something us people who are late dont... how bout explaining?
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I only said that line because it was the only one i could find that fit with the lyrics I don't even have an Android device so there's your answer.

this is so frustrating ive googled this for almost an hour and I still cant find anything that explains exactly what a non perfect SPL does and how to go about flashing it and which one to flash!

melterx12 said:
this is so frustrating ive googled this for almost an hour and I still cant find anything that explains exactly what a non perfect SPL does and how to go about flashing it and which one to flash!
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Haha yeah same here bro.
Hope someone can enlighten us about how they upgraded their spl.

All I know is that its short for "splash image" and has something to do with the boot up process. My dad is a programer (during a coversation about android and linux) explained the SPL to me during Fourth of July but I was a little too drunk to care and pay attention.

well actually SPL stands for Second Program Loader. That much i know for sure. I also know that its the equivalent of a bootloader. what i DONT know and neither does anyone else by the looks of it (lol), is what the difference is between a perfect SPL and a Danger SPL, and how to go about flashing a danger SPL for mytouch 3g? and which danger SPL is the best?

BoomBoomPOW said:
LOL I have this:
I think it's a perfected SPL but who knows.. Satan?
I want to update my lame ass SPL to one of these bad boys:
Haykuro's "Death" SPL
OR
Magic SPL HBOOT Collection
From these Awesome Website and Also Awesome, I've narrowed down the steps to Victory!
Here's what my Brain thinks:
1.) Download an SPL (i.e Haykuro's "Death" SPL).
2.) Transfer to SD Card.
3.) Go into Recovery Mode (Amon_Ra-v1.5.2G)
4.) Scroll down to "Flash zip from sdcard".
5.) Flash Haykuro's "Death" SPL.
6.) Reboot system now and wait for it to enter Recovery Mode again.
8.) Check for new SPL, and you're done?
My Q's:
1.) Are my steps horribly wrong and could possibly brick my phone?
2.) No wiping required?
3.) If it gets stuck on Formatting CACHE for a long long long time..what to do?
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Some people can be d!cks in this forum. Your steps are right from all that I know. Changing your SPL is an at your own risk sort of venture, though. Haven't even had the balls to do it myself yet. But, first, do try to use the search function in these forums. Pretty new myself but have good luck finding the resources I need through search. Lastly, here are a couple of links that have helped my in regard to SPL research. The first is more general and worth reading through the comments. The second one specifically relates to you...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548218
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=570659&highlight=hboot
Good Luck. Hope it helps.

melterx12 said:
this is so frustrating ive googled this for almost an hour and I still cant find anything that explains exactly what a non perfect SPL does
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your google-fu is weak old man!!
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking#sec01
"Perfect" SPL Revisions (that prevent us hacking)
Currently HBOOT-1.33.0006 and HBOOT-1.33.0010 are the known 'Perfect SPL' revisions on the Sapphire handsets that we know of.
It is not possible to fastboot a ROM using these and you need to wait until someone has hacked it.
Edit (12 Aug 2009) : Now you can! Refer to How-To - Fix that perfected SPL - Root the T-Mobile myTouch 3G
So what is an SPL anyway? What does it do?
The SPL, or Second Program Loader, is essentially the Android bootloader. It's job is more than just loading the Android OS - it also offers several other boot options, including Recovery mode, Fastboot, and HBOOT modes, and ultimately it's the SPL that allows manipulation of the flash nand on your device. Part of the SPL's job is to ensure that the data flashed to the device is correct. Most of the current shipping SPLs (apart from the "Perfect SPL's) let us flash a complete ROM image, but don't let us flash a recovery rom or boot image as it checks the verification signature. Haykuro has modified the SPL's available to remove this check and this is what the Engineering SPL's available offer. As the SPL is so crucial to the handset though, you have to be very careful when flashing it as if it's updated incorrectly then you may be incapable of restoring it without specialised hardware and knowledge. You essentially have a very expensive brick
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looktall said:
your google-fu is weak old man!!
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Off topic, but thanks for posting. I wish more people were this patience and helpful. Kudos. Especially on the comedy inoffensive flame.

ive already seen that article, but it still does not explain what i want to know. I already know what an SPL does, but what does a Danger SPL do that my perfect SPL cant. is it worth flashing my SPL? which one should i flash and how? I cant find answers to these questions.

ok ive just foudn a bit of info saying that a danger SPL allows you to flash hero ROMS onto your mytouch.. but WTF??? Ive already flashed 2 different Hero ROMS onto my mytouch with no problems and I have a Perfect SPL. the only reason i didnt keep em was cause the device was slow! So wtf is going on with my phone? what am I missing here rofl

The "Danger" (or "Death") SPL is Haykuro's 1.33.2005 and there is only one. It changed the nand partitions sizes (or sth like that) on the G1 and that was why it is required to run Hero ROMs on it. It's not required to run Hero ROMs on the Magic though. What you're talking about are "Engineering" SPLs and the main difference with stock SPL is that, AFAIK, they bypass security checks to allow the flashing of unsigned update packages. Also, I think only Engineering and non-perfected SPLs allow the use of the fastboot protocol, the possibility to flash recovery images directly and the use of Nandroid to make backups.
To me it's all about unlocking everything but I could have lived with my stock non-perfected SPL as I could already do everything I wanted.
Signature checking is not necessary a bad thing. Perfected SPL is a different story as it really reduces you possibilities but I know there are workarounds.

swissp said:
The "Danger" (or "Death") SPL is Haykuro's 1.33.2005 and there is only one. It changed the nand partitions sizes (or sth like that) on the G1 and that was why it is required to run Hero ROMs on it. It's not required to run Hero ROMs on the Magic though. What you're talking about are "Engineering" SPLs and the main difference with stock SPL is that, AFAIK, they bypass security checks to allow the flashing of unsigned update packages. Also, I think only Engineering and non-perfected SPLs allow the use of the fastboot protocol, the possibility to flash recovery images directly and the use of Nandroid to make backups.
To me it's all about unlocking everything but I could have lived with my stock non-perfected SPL as I could already do everything I wanted.
Signature checking is not necessary a bad thing. Perfected SPL is a different story as it really reduces you possibilities but I know there are workarounds.
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Very informative. I was able to perform a Nandroid backup successfully while still on the "perfected SPL" so what's up with that? I guest I'll just stick with my perfected stock SPL for now, until I find a really great rom I want to flash but requires a non-perfected/eng spl.

BoomBoomPOW said:
Very informative. I was able to perform a Nandroid backup successfully while still on the "perfected SPL" so what's up with that? I guest I'll just stick with my perfected stock SPL for now, until I find a really great rom I want to flash but requires a non-perfected/eng spl.
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That's why I said "I think"... fortunately I've never had a perfected SPL and I can only repeat what others have been saying about it. Can you restore the backup too?
As you'd already noticed, information on the subject is quite vague but you are right anyway, the only reason to change SPL should be if the ROM you want to install requires it ;-)

SPL Confusion

I'm a little confused on some of the specifics of SPLs.
When I rooted my MT3G I used the one-click method and didn't have to worry about doing anything with the SPL.
I'd like to try some of the other ROMs out there - but I see that they either require an Engineering SPL or the Death/Danger SPL. I know that the SPL changes the partitions on the internal memory of the phone - but I can't seem to find any info on what those new sizes are.
I've been told that the D/D is an Engineering one - but that I don't need it? So I'm a little on the confused side now.
Can someone help me get some clarity?

Your spl is not a Eng one it's a Perfected spl.
Try using the goldcard method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548218

silvertag said:
Your spl is not a Eng one it's a Perfected spl.
Try using the goldcard method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548218
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1.33.0006 is a perfected SPL but as they stated, they're already rooted. Luckily with that SPL you can still use the one-click method. Ignore this post about using the goldcard method.
Eng and Death/Danger SPLs increase your internal ROM, allowing you to flash larger custom ROMs onto your phone. However, you have a MT3G which has much more internal ROM space than the G1, so you DONT need to flash an Eng or Death/Danger SPL. Doing so will only increase you chances of bricking your phone. One bad flash and your screwed. So, if you already have a custom recovery installed, find a custom rom that looks good to you, boot into recovery, perform a full wipe, and flash the rom. However, make sure you pay attention to rom specific installation instructions before you flash it. Some will require that you flash the DRC83_defanged_base.zip before flashing for legal issues, and others, mainly eclair roms, will require you to partition your SD card. Good luck! Also, I recommend using Super D, its a great rom!

Thanks sombionix!
Yeah, I used the one-click method about a week after I got the phone and have been rocking the current CM and A-Ra recovery ever since... this was late 2009.
So...
If something says it needs an Eng/D/D SPL I can ignore that and try flashing anyways? The perfected SPL that you and I have is pretty much an all-purpose SPL (for lack of a better term)? The worst that will happen is that it won't work and I can just restore a BART save of my current working CM?
Damn us geeks for being so fickle.

tsheeley said:
Thanks sombionix!
If something says it needs an Eng/D/D SPL I can ignore that and try flashing anyways?
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Pretty much. Most of the ROMs I use are for the G1, which has a smaller partition than the default MT3G. The SPL is what changes this, so if the G1 requires a different SPL, chances are it'll still work fine on the MT3G.

Awesome!
Thanks somb & cougar for the help! I'll be doing some happy flashing sometime in the near future.

The G1's original SPL, and the Engineering SPL and Hard SPL, had less onboard space to store ROMs. The Magic has more onboard space, so Haykuro took the Magic's SPL and backported it to the G1.
This was called the Danger SPL or Death SPL as you needed to be running the latest radio for it to work. Many people did not work this out till later and bricked their G1s. Now we know this, so flashing Danger SPL is not really dangerous at all.
Every Magic already has as much space as a G1 with Danger SPL, so Magic users can use any ROM marked "Danger SPL" without concern.

hboot version 1.42.0000 ?

Hello ! In all internet there is only one normal link about it and it is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533821
but, what does it mean? This version...
And what SPL ? How can i flash another with this version? There is not any guides about... Only for 1.33.2005 and etc. 1.33.xxxx ...
hboot says:
DREAM PVT 32B SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-1.42.0000 (DREA20000)
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.16.19I
Apr 6 2009, 18:03:42
and while booting i have Orange screen with logo MTN
This is Rogers Dream, yes?

No rogers always had a 3.x radio and a 1.33.00* spl, I think its the older orange (france) dream rom.. (thus the orange splash screen)
If its stock firmware (ie not rooted):
> If you upgrade it with the orange 1.86.73.4 ruu (avalible on orange's website) you can root it with flashreq following the rogers pre911 patch instructions..
> I think there is other ways (ie rc29 may work with a gold card)
If it is rooted no need to unroot.

i'ts already rooted, and i already flash about few month ago cyanogen 4.2.15. And i tryed 5.0.7 (for AnySPL) - all fine and work.. But now i whant to flash another SPL, and maybe radio... but don't know what version, coz in all internet there is no any guide =))
I Have usual HTC Dream ? I can flash usual danger spl ?

I'd upgrade to 1.33.2003 .. then flash the newer 2.x radio via fastboot.. if you really need danger spl that can be flashed by fastboot too..
Check this thread starting here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6510019#post6510019

Thx for your attention...
So, and i can use this thread for all operations ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625886
but my steps will be like this ?
1) 2003 spl
2) radio
3) danger spl 2005

ANtiHazarD said:
Thx for your attention...
So, and i can use this thread for all operations ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625886
but my steps will be like this ?
1) 2003 spl
2) radio
3) danger spl 2005
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No. Leave out step 3, it is REDUNDANT.
Do this instead: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717874

the thread has what you need to flash 1.33.2003.
And some support files to flash the lattest 2.x radio and if desired switch between 1.33.2003 1.33.2005 spls via fastboot
Always be sure however you understand what you are installing. And why you are installing it.
Particular when spl and radios are involved.. these are the lowest part of your phones software stack, if you flash the wrong thing you can brick your phone even if fastboot is more forgiving about version mismatches.
As for installing 1.33.2005 depends on what you hope to do. CM5 and CM6 both work great with 1.33.2003 and custom partitions, but to install the base rom without partition mod you will need 1.33.2005.