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I am starting to be torn about my Evo and the upcoming Iphone. I have rode with Android from the beginning. Even jumping carriers so that I could get the Evo. I am reading the Live Blog from the Apple conference and I am slightly jealous...
I despise Stevie, but I must admit that he always comes up with some extra slickness that you need in your life.
The only thing that seems like a significant improvement is the display other than that the iPhone isn't conjuring up alot of envy for me right now.
I agree...I'll stick with Android!
He can't touch the Evo IMO
I don't care how cool the new iPhone is, AT&T still blows.
I was kinda interested in the new imovie. Records in full HD w/ flash on. You can create edit with transitions right from the phone. Even add any music that you have on the device as a soundtrack.
thelastgoodbrother said:
I am starting to be torn about my Evo and the upcoming Iphone.
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I'm not. All the cool stuff about the EVO that I loved last night haven't suddenly disappeared this morning. So far, nothing really revolutionary about "iOS4." Plus, considering the downside (closed ecosystem, AT&T only, etc.), I still like the EVO better.
thelastgoodbrother said:
I am starting to be torn about my Evo and the upcoming Iphone. I have rode with Android from the beginning. Even jumping carriers so that I could get the Evo. I am reading the Live Blog from the Apple conference and I am slightly jealous...
I despise Stevie, but I must admit that he always comes up with some extra slickness that you need in your life.
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You still have time.. 30 days return policy if you want to get the new iPhone 4
The only major improvement I'm seeing so far is the screen, and that's a lot less impressive than expected when it's still on a 3.5 inch screen.
The gyroscope is also sort of neat, I guess, but it's no reason to change phones.
The camera also looks rather impressive, but I can't help but wonder whether it's compressed at all. After all, Jobs mentioned that nothing has been done to the recorded video after the user is done filming. From what I've seen, HTC compreses the hell out of their video files, something that might be changeable by software.
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I'm not. All the cool stuff about the EVO that I loved last night haven't suddenly disappeared this morning. So far, nothing really revolutionary about "iOS4." Plus, considering the downside (closed ecosystem, AT&T only, etc.), I still like the EVO better.
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That's a biggie for me too. I have the Ipad and Ipod Touch, both hacked precisely because I need my freedom.
I think they made some nice changes, but not enough for me to switch back from the Evo/Android to iPhone. I'm gone from the Fanboi ranks.
While I must admit, the fluidity of the iOS is nice, refined, etc etc...Millions of apps (1/512th of which you'd actually use daily) and accessories out the whazoo...android/Evo is still nice.
Let's be realistic, iMovie?...on a 3.5 inch screen? Or the resolution...on a 3.5 inch screen?...it's pointless. It's a tiny screen, I mean even a 4.3 inch screen with those specs would be mildly thrilling.
Gyro?....Meh...not a gamer so I don't care...
It's a nice phone, but I like my Evo more. The only thing I hate about the Evo is that I got spoiled with a huge screen, I hated it at first and felt that I made a mistake in buying it because it's bigger...but now I look at my Hero and think..."How the hell will I ever go back to a small screen like that!?"
If he surprised me with a 3.8 or 4.0 or even 4.3 screen with that resolution I would have to consider it heavily and in fact would have upgraded my 3GS for it. But at 3.5 inch screen I don't care that he packs in that kind of resolution. My EVO is not my movie studio or camera. They were put in place for moments you are in a pinch.
You can have flash on full time as well while recording video. It's call Torch on and Video On
The iOS4 is nothing much. Battery life will remain to be seen. The can claim better battery life because he upgraded the processor (efficient) and kept the screen size smaller. A good move for battery life but not a good move for people who would like a larger screen.
WP7 will require at least a 3.8" screen to start. So it will be interesting to see what happens next with them.
evo vs. iphone, I'll take evo.
Sorry iPhone, for all your sexiness you're missing too much.
1) AT&T is trash, heard nothing but complaints
2) replaceable batteries + Micro SD cards? yes please.
3) completely closed architecture vs. complete openness? I'll take android.
4) I have an iPod Touch so I already can do everything except make phone calls, thats what my Evo is for
iphone4 video chat only on wifi! Not on 3G or 4G like EVO. AT&T sucks!
And only from iphone4 to iphone4. Can you say "locked in"?
Not regretting my EVO purchase one bit!
I can Qik or Fring/Skype video call on 3G or 4G or WiFi
the new iphone isnt bad
if we all think about this....our phones and the new iphone are kind of tapped out. There isnt much more to be done with phones anymore.
Sorry guys and girls, I had a moment of weakness, lol. I love Android too. In fact this is my 4th Android phone. You gotta admit random "Forcecloses" is starting to get a lil old though.
thelastgoodbrother said:
I am starting to be torn about my Evo and the upcoming Iphone. I have rode with Android from the beginning. Even jumping carriers so that I could get the Evo. I am reading the Live Blog from the Apple conference and I am slightly jealous...
I despise Stevie, but I must admit that he always comes up with some extra slickness that you need in your life.
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please give up the EVO if your even remotely thinking about the ICRAP
I've had all three iphones since their respective launch days over the years. I've recently switched to the Evo and loving it. Even with their new hardware, I still think the evo is superior. The android OS is a little quirky, and I especially think scrolling is way worse on the evo and the android market is a joke so far, but I really like the OS overall compared to Apple's locked down OS.
I'm not switching back!
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Sorry guys and girls, I had a moment of weakness, lol. I love Android too. In fact this is my 4th Android phone. You gotta admit random "Forcecloses" is starting to get a lil old though.
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seriously? I have had every iphone and also android since g1. I really do like the iphone but I hate att. I was just watching the same feed of the release about ios4 and there is nothing new. Yes, I do like the way you can video chat with ease but only on wifi and only with other iphone 4's?
I think there is a place for the iphone but this announcement was more of a "keep up with the jones" than anything earth shattering.
Im keeping my evo.
Im paying less with sprint by almost 50% than with att...
I hate Apple
Yep, I'm a hater. I only own 1 apple device...an IPod Nano, and the only reason I have that is I needed the close stereo integration on my boat (long story).
Having said that, if this IPhone was available on Verizon or Sprint or even TMobile...I would probably consider it.
Although the screen is smaller than the Evo the IPS technology looks slick not to mention a 960x640 resolution.
I also like the gyro. That has a lot of potential...granted it's also a little gimmicky, but I'm a geek and I like new toys.
I think the Evo could have better picture quality with an 8mp camera vs 5mp for Apple, but Apple does a great job with the actual image quality.
It also sounds like Apple finally implemented multi-tasking without killing the battery life. I don't completely believe it until I see it in person...but it looked promising.
I also like the free video calls from Iphone4 to Iphone4.
Having said all that, I still hate Apple. I will stick with my 3rd generation Nano and my Hero & Evo. It's just too bad someone can't put Apple in their place. The IPad could have been placed on the backburner with a HP Slate, and Android has a lot of cool phones, but none I would consider a complete IPhone killer.
Its so frustrating because I believe Android has the ability to put Apple in it's place, but when it comes to an actual full released product...it's just not quite there yet.
Now, we know everything about the new iPhone 4, how many ppl here are thinking of/not interested in iPhone 4?
Just curious!
We didn't really learn anything new about the iphone 4 that wasn't already known hardware or software-wise. I'm not sure why someone would return the evo unless they just always want the last phone to come out. If you like iphone os, get iphone 4... if you like android, get the EVO. it's that simple
billobob said:
We didn't really learn anything new about the iphone 4 that wasn't already known hardware or software-wise. I'm not sure why someone would return the evo unless they just always want the last phone to come out. If you like iphone os, get iphone 4... if you like android, get the EVO. it's that simple
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Okay so did you know...
1. It has one of the best resolutions right now
2. it records HD 720p videos with 30fps with flash
3. video editing can be done on iPhone 4 using iPhone iMovie
4. about the metal frames were actually antenna's for different radios that may boost your signal strength for respective radio
5. it comes with 802.11n Wi-Fi, a gyroscope to detect motion on 6 axes
.....so on...
v2tech said:
Okay so did you know...
1. It has one of the best resolutions right now
2. it records HD 720p videos with 30fps with flash
3. video editing can be done on iPhone 4 using iPhone iMovie
4. about the metal frames were actually antenna's for different radios that may boost your signal strength for respective radio
5. it comes with 802.11n Wi-Fi, a gyroscope to detect motion on 6 axes
.....so on...
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1. This was known from the leaked versions. The resolution is very high, but as stated even by Steve Jobs at the keynote that the DPI is higher than the human eye can tell. The IPS screen is beautiful, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
2. 20fps, 30fps, big whoop. I have a Canon 7D which records 1080p @ 30fps and 720p @ 60fps, so I won't be using my Evo's video camera that much to begin with.
3. That is neat, but video editing on such a small screen?
4. Was not entirely known, but is that really a deal breaker again? It is a stroke of genius, though.
5. The Evo has 802.11n (the Broadcom chipset is BT + 802.11b/g/n), drivers are just not supporting it fully yet (although the Nexus has it, I believe).
Other things..
FaceTime? Looks very nice, but it's iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 only.. I used Fring to Skype chat this morning from my phone. The receiving end was on a Macbook.
iAds? Great for developers
I can't think of anything else that stood out.
i am keeping my EVO i like it a lot.
- bigger screen
- 4G
- unlimited data
- 8 mp cam (although the backlight looked interesting)
- Froyo and the next version that will be even better
- flash
...do I need to continue?
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I look at it like Sprint and HTC was 2 steps ahead of Apple and ATT
i mean come on. you would think the iphone would be that game changing phone. But the Evo just bought all that stuff before them
1. 720P recording, HDMI output also
2.Big a$$ screen perfect for watching HQ movies and what not
3.First 4G Phone to run 4G networks where 4G is in the market
4.Front facing camera for video calling and 8MP camera on the back for all your 720P videos and Hi res pics
5.Running the best open source OS that will always be open source. unlike the iphone we dont have to wait months or years to find a way to root or hack
6.You dont have to be sucked in ATT high a$$ phone bill
This phone does all of this. and the iphone brings nothing new to me now. its just a few upgrades again. but im not a fanboy or a hater. i got apple products and got a att contract
I want to make a note to everyone pointing out the 8MP camera. Megapixels just affects the size of the image, not the quality. I am fairly sure that the iPhone's camera is of higher quality but has smaller images.
That being said, I'm very happy with the Evo.
Team Evo.
No surprise with the iPhone announcement today.
Everything I have read was right on.
Apple was the one playing catch up with the Android OS and the Evo.
And after spending just couple of days with the Evo's 4.3 inch screen, every other phone is just small as hell.
AND why would you leave Sprint's plan and start a new contract with ATT and their 2GB data plan?
pinkxpinkii said:
Team Evo.
No surprise with the iPhone announcement today.
Everything I have read was right on.
Apple was the one playing catch up with the Android OS and the Evo.
And after spending just couple of days with the Evo's 4.3 inch screen, every other phone is just small as hell.
AND why would you leave Sprint's plan and start a new contract with ATT and their 2GB data plan?
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Couldnt agree with you more! The whole Netflix thing is going to be awesome for AT&T customers... Do people not realize how fast you will burn through 2GB when watching video. I got my EVO on Friday and just over the weekend I have already used over 300MB and I have not done any extreme amount of surfing or video watching...just a few youtube videos and various other stuff.... Using Netflix will burn through the 2GB in no time at all....I will laugh at all the people that end up with an extra $100 on their bill and then when they try to cancel their contract to go to Sprint or Verizon have to pay a new $325 cancelation fee.... GO AT&T/APPLE
man i helped my friend who i sold my hero to flash a new rom... and i put my evo down picked up the hero and was like omg this thing is tiny..... cant believe i ever used a phone that small.
Couldn't imagine many people with a brain going from the EVO to an iPhone (of course there's still the sheep that would buy the air we breath if Steve Job's told them to):
EVO:
- Unlimited data/mo
- 4.3' screen
- Android openness
- Replaceable battery
- Kickstand
- Video calling over cellular data
- Free turn by turn navigation + Google voice for free text messaging
- 4g
- Emulators
iPhone:
- 2gb data/mo
- 3.5' screen
- iOS 4 (locked down by apple)
- Non-replaceable battery
- No kickstand
- Video calling ONLY to other iPhone 4 users and ONLY over wifi
- Free Google applications blocked just so Apple can make more money
- 3g on a network that is so bad they hogtie their customers with a 2gb limit
- Emulators blocked
To me the choice is rather easy...
man i helped my friend who i sold my hero to flash a new rom... and i put my evo down picked up the hero and was like omg this thing is tiny..... cant believe i ever used a phone that small.
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Haha I thought the same thing with my G1. How in the hell did I do anything on that "tiny" screen. That being said, all Evo for me.
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Couldn't imagine many people with a brain going from the EVO to an iPhone (of course there's still the sheep that would buy the air we breath if Steve Job's told them to):
EVO:
- Unlimited data/mo
- 4.3' screen
- Android openness
- Replaceable battery
- Kickstand
- Video calling over cellular data
- Free turn by turn navigation + Google voice for free text messaging
- 4g
- Emulators
iPhone:
- 2gb data/mo
- 3.5' screen
- iOS 4 (locked down by apple)
- Non-replaceable battery
- No kickstand
- Video calling ONLY to other iPhone 4 users and ONLY over wifi
- Free Google applications blocked just so Apple can make more money
- 3g on a network that is so bad they hogtie their customers with a 2gb limit
- Emulators blocked
To me the choice is rather easy...
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This petty much sums it up. I can't imagine why any non-Apple-fanboy would pick the iPhone over the EVO.
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ap3604 said:
Couldn't imagine many people with a brain going from the EVO to an iPhone (of course there's still the sheep that would buy the air we breath if Steve Job's told them to)
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that is sig material!
We didn't really learn anything new about the iphone 4 that wasn't already known hardware or software-wise. I'm not sure why someone would return the
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Okay so did you know...
1. It has one of the best resolutions right now
2. it records HD 720p videos with 30fps with flash
3. video editing can be done on iPhone 4 using iPhone iMovie
4. about the metal frames were actually antenna's for different radios that may boost your signal strength for respective radio
5. it comes with 802.11n Wi-Fi, a gyroscope to detect motion on 6 axes
.....so on...
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The people who selected "Bought EVO 4G and returning it soon for iPhone 4!" should post pics of the Evo to prove they acctually own one. 5 seems too high to me
Evo is an awsome phone as is the iPhone 4. Seems like iPhone users are the ones making the switch and not the other way around
I'm wondering, did they decide to put the metal ring around it act as an antenae to help improve the phones signal on ATT's crappy network? I thought the best part of the WWDC event was when Job's was trying to demo the unit and couldn't get a cellular or wifi connection... then asking all the media folks to turn off their laptops and data connections... that was absolutely hillarious!
I imagine the antenna thing is probably mostly a gimmick, similar to how apple pretends their "backlit sensor" is unique to their camera; in reality most phones with newer omnivision chips (read: the evo and other good recent smartphones) have the same feature. Jobs is a master of making the mundane sound phenomenal (although that's not to do say the new iphone doesn't have great hardware, it's just not groundbreaking in some of the ways he'd like us to believe)
If it was any other carrier then AT&T, I would consider switching..
But - the EVO's got two big things going for it vs. the iphone - 1) screen size, 2) sprint.
The only thing that the iPhone 4g has that I'm a little jealous of is potentially better battery life. (but.. my battery life on the evo is good enough.. 10-12hours with moderate usage..)
-m
diomark said:
If it was any other carrier then AT&T, I would consider switching..
But - the EVO's got two big things going for it vs. the iphone - 1) screen size, 2) sprint.
The only thing that the iPhone 4g has that I'm a little jealous of is potentially better battery life. (but.. my battery life on the evo is good enough.. 10-12hours with moderate usage..)
-m
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There's also a downside to the iPhone's battery: You cannot replace it if it goes bad, and you cannot upgrade to an extended version if it doesn't last long enough.
I live outside the US, and my family thinks it would be terrific if we all got iphone 4 and video chat from time to time. My mom's not a tech, so this facetime is simple and perfect for her to see her son once in a while.
So I sold my N1, and now am using an Iphone 3gs IOS4 while waiting for my iphone 4.
Plain and simple, the IOS 4 is just horrendous compared to android 2.2. Its clunky, limited, slow, restrictive and doesn't have any sort of customization. With android, I had widgets, live wall papers, tons of options for sms, sounds, animations, etc. I could replace the browser, keyboard, sms program, integrated voice command, search, etc.
Safari web browser is just slow, word wrap doesn't work very well. the keyboard horrible. How hard is it to show, after you press the shift button, the keys to appear as small case and upper case?
If you thought the n1 dialer was boring, the iphone dialer is even worse. Compared to the beautiful n1 screen, the 3gs is downright ugly. I know the iphone 4 should be about the same if not better.
on the plus side, the iphone can receive/make calls in certain buildings that the n1 struggled with. No more crazy multi touch wigging out on the iphone.
But I sure do miss my n1. hopefully future android phones can have integrated ease of use videochat so I can go back. As of now, Im stuck with the crapple magical iphone.
I use to think the iphone 3gs was the best phone ever. But after using an N1 for the last 4 months, the ios 4 can't even compare. You N1 users have it good...
I feel sorry for you dude, having to use a phone that you don't want to.
Snoopy997s said:
I live outside the US, and my family thinks it would be terrific if we all got iphone 4 and video chat from time to time. My mom's not a tech, so this facetime is simple and perfect for her to see her son once in a while.
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You made the right choice for your family
Dont let a fanboy come on here and tell you otherwise or how you should have stayed with Android sort of thing. Sometimes it just doesnt work out...
Great job looking out for your family though and I hope you can join us again in the future
"Great job looking out for your family though and I hope you can join us again in the future"
When FaceTime will be open and also implented in Android it shoulded be a problem to switch back!
Thanks for lettings us now how you experianced the switch!
doesnt the Evo 4G have a front facing camera along with the soon to come droid x?
Good luck getting reception in that building with the iPhone 4, it has worse reception than the 3GS.
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jason.hamilton said:
doesnt the Evo 4G have a front facing camera along with the soon to come droid x?
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Yes, but I'm sure the implementation of video calling is not as easy as facetime.
jaapschaap said:
When FaceTime will be open and also implented in Android it shoulded be a problem to switch back!
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Dont think thats ever going to happen.
Just get the next andoid phone with a front facing cam and tell your mom to download Fring.
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Yes, but I'm sure the implementation of video calling is not as easy as facetime.
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On the other hand, it DOES work on 3G, something that the iPhone 4's FaceTime won't do.
I'm testing the 4 for work, next to my Nexus and a 3GS. The 4 gets generally better service and will hold calls better than the 3GS in low service. But all that applies only if you don't, you know, touch the thing. The much-discussed antenna detune is real, and, if you are not paying attention, you can absolutely lose all your usable signal by grabbing the phone wrong. The Nexus gets slightly better signal than the I4 (and the I3GS), and also, even with the well-known antenna-position issue, KILLS both the 3G and 4 in HSPA up and down speeds. As everyone knows, you can lose from 10-15dBm of signal on the Nexus by wrapping your hand tightly around the bottom of the phone. But the iPhone 4 is even worse - bridge the antenna, and you are losing at least 20.
For voice calls - the iPhone 4 and Nexus have fairly equivalent (and excellent!) outgoing voice quality. The iPhone 4 has a much better speakerphone and much better earpiece volume and sound quality than the Nexus though. The iPhone 4 and the Nexus are pretty similar in captured signal, and the Nexus holds weak signal MUCH better. Hand-position issues are a much bigger deal on the iPhone 4 than on the Nexus - though, even with that, in my week of testing, I've not lost any calls.
And the very worst thing about iOS4 and the iPhone 4 is that every time you go out of signal range (the kind of thing that happens on the Metro, for instance), it flashes a notification that pauses video, interrupts games, etc. And there is no way that I can find to turn that the hell OFF.
Didn't like Apple come through and told their users and the world that the signal bar on their phone display actually shows higher signal stats than what it in reality really is.
As facetime only works on wifi and the new iPod touch may have facetime, you may be able to do that at some point and switch back to android?
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Didn't like Apple come through and told their users and the world that the signal bar on their phone display actually shows higher signal stats than what it in reality really is.
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Its already been proven that their software fix wont solve the issue because its a physical problem with the phone and the bar thing was just meant to calm down people who don't know better.
Honestly, guys, people have complained about reception/grip and signal bar problems with the N1, too. Do a google search if you don't believe me.
you should have said something.
I could have saved you and your family thousands of dollars
by telling you that there is this free video chat program called skype.
bigmout said:
Honestly, guys, people have complained about reception/grip and signal bar problems with the N1, too. Do a google search if you don't believe me.
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Hmmmm no.
If you cup the N1--touch the bottom directly, not the corners--it'll lose some signal, though I don't believe it's enough to drop calls. It's possible to hold the phone quite naturally without touching this antenna. When on a call, palms often touch the bottom corners. No problem: that's not where the N1's antennae is.
The iFail 4's antenna, on the other hand, are located in the bottom-left corner. That's right--the place where most people's hands will be making contact with.
grainysand said:
Hmmmm no.
If you cup the N1--touch the bottom directly, not the corners--it'll lose some signal, though I don't believe it's enough to drop calls. It's possible to hold the phone quite naturally without touching this antenna. When on a call, palms often touch the bottom corners. No problem: that's not where the N1's antennae is.
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Hmmmm, yes. It may not be as bad as the iPhone 4, but the problem is real. To suggest otherwise is fanboyism.
On the subject of Video Calling, when is there going to be an open standard so that any device can call any device??? I want to call my nephew on his XBOX 360 using my Ninteno 3Ds
I'll probably put the iphone in a case and see how that goes. But the whole os4 on the iphone just pales in comparison to android.
I know the newer iphone 4 is better than the current 3gs, hardware wise. but I don't see anything compelling OS wise over android. Maybe Im too much of a tech geek, and the iphone is too restrictive.
But its great to see new models of android every few months. if the iphone really sucks. I can't even get a second phone and swap sim because of the iphone's micro sims
I must say when I first read the title of this thread I thought "not another troll"
But sorry for your loss good sir
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Hmmmm, yes. It may not be as bad as the iPhone 4, but the problem is real. To suggest otherwise is fanboyism.
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hmmmm.. no Put a case on the phone fixes all problems. Those are just apple fanboys that makes up garbage.
Hi to all Canadian users
Samsung Galaxy S series phone is coming to Canada very soon. Almost all the carriers has one. I am with rogers and they are getting the captivate.
I am really really tired of waiting for 2.1 /2.2 or just getting all the bugs fixed. There is no 65K screen, no multi touch (please don't start arguing that there is no use of MT, there are other forums for that). I don't even know how many other stuffs I should be complaining about....someone cares to fill them!
So yeah I am jumping the ship when Captivate comes to Rogers. Anyone else wanna join??
I personally think the samsung captivate lacks in style, and It's samsung you wouldn't get great support either. I ready stick with S.E design is much better.
Why did you buy x10 if you knew it had 1.6 firmware...
Its your choice my friend just look in the Samsung Galaxy S forum before you decide to buy it. Apparently there is a lot of people unhappy with it, problems like overheating, sluggish performance, burn ins on the screen, fast battery drain, bad build quality (cheap plastic) and lots of other things. I am also in Canada and looked at it as an option but i came to the conclusion that it wont be better than the x10 or at least not worth the switch. The fact that its a Samsung phone puts me away also, oh and no flash or light for the camera? wtf. Anyway make sure you read all the problems that people have with it before you buy it so that you know what you re getting into.
Yah im looking into the vibrant myself. Then again im also thinking about the n900 still. Going to check a bell store tomorrow to try out the vibrant. The screen looks amazing in all the reviews ive seen. Really gotta check it out.
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Not a bad phone but i would say, wait a few weeks and after the launch take the decision.
It does some things better than the X10 (faster, multitouch, froyo), it does some things worse (no LED flash, IMO worse screen, worse build quality, poor support).
Just make sure you know the phone before you buy it. You probably won't regret it, but it's not any significant improvement (aside from OS)...
Look, if someone with a Desire or a Galaxy S wants to do a straight trade, then I am sold, but I am not going to go through the hassle of selling my X10, then forking over an extra $250 to get either one of those.
At that rate, I'd rather have the iPhone 4 (no reception issues with any that I've tested in Vancouver).
I would hop on the train as well, but I do not like the physical built of the captivate... If it was the i9000 or vibrant, I would have switched. I'm a sucker for Super AMOLED, I rarely use my phone outside, I always use it inside.
i would stick with x10 . i played with galaxy s today at bell . its a nice phone but the built quality is really bad and worse technical support and no flash . x10 is getting 2.1 end of month or early september so its not long of a wait. and iphone 4 is out of the question with consumer report rated it *dont buy it* u cant do much with it even u jailbreak it there there is alot of restrictions n stuff u cant do and android os u can customize the sh**t of out it . i did a test on iphone 4 and my x10 and x10 loads quicker and faster . even i was soo frustrated about to sell it. but u cant sell it for much so id rather keep it . the only phone i would get other then x10 would be desire . which is coming to telus august 6th
I would probably stay out of it.Checking out the forums. It drops a lot of calls and has some major GPS and lag issues. Of course, if you want to go by numbers you should go for the Captivate given it has a higher version of the OS installed. I have used the i9000 though and except for the screen, which is gorgeous, there isnt much there.oh and touchwiz looks like it has been ported from a funskool toy.
i had a samsung pixon12, build quality was cheap, and that phone stopped working after a month even after it was brand new, samsung didnt help me at all and i had to pay extra money from the store i bought it from in order to get it repaired. after that i never went back to samsung and i dont think i will.
the x10 is nice but u are right it does have its share of problems. if ur gonna switch u might as well make a proper upgrade and go for the EVO 4G or the soon to come out Dell Streak (5 inch screen!!/1ghz processor [ also runs 1.6 but soon to get an update supposedly])
anyways im gonna stick with my x10 for now until i can get a good price on the dell streak becuase i use my phone a lot for entertainment due to commuting to university, so a 5 inch screen would do me a lot of good
i dont reccomend samsung. HTC is fantastic though ive used the TOUCH HD/touch pro 2/HD2 and was very happy with them. but hated windows mobile. dont know about dell but if i make the switch ill come back here and let u guys know how that worked out lol
hope it helps u figure out where u wanna head.
Well, this is a thread about Canadian users, so the Evo 4G is out of the question, and the iPhone 4's "reception issue" is not a problem here, at least in Vancouver.
Also, as much as the Streak intrigues me, it is basically the same hardware and software as the X10 (1.6 but without lovely Rachel), and I'm not sure it has a TRUE multi-touch panel like the Droid Incredible either.
I've yet to play with the Galaxy S, but if it is as terribly built as some of you say, then the only other viable option is the Desire, which is put together like a tank and has LED flash. Its design is pedestrian, but the thing is SOLID.
Still tho the desire is not an improve ment over the x10. Think about it smaller screen, ****ter camera, ugly at front of x10 and screen issues like pink tint, burn ins and broken dualtouch, only thing better at the moment is software and a little more ram. I dont know why people think this way, you probably dont have your x10 set up right so that you think this way, I will probably make a video of mine and show everyone how fast,smooth and beautiful it runs I just have a feeling some people dont know how to use adw right and make the best out of their phone. I mean if your ready to switch your x10 for a desire there must be somthing wrong, In matter of fact there is a lot of people here that have switched from desire to x10 ask them why they switched.
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Those screen issues affect the SLCD model? I wasn't aware of that.
Just because the screen is smaller, it doesn't make it worse since the resolutions are nearly identical.
I like the Desire because of its very solid build (have you held one?), extra RAM, and best of all, latest Android builds with HTC Sense.
That being said, the Desire is far more expensive if purchased from unauthorized dealers.
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Those screen issues affect the SLCD model? I wasn't aware of that.
Just because the screen is smaller, it doesn't make it worse since the resolutions are nearly identical.
I like the Desire because of its very solid build (have you held one?), extra RAM, and best of all, latest Android builds with HTC Sense.
That being said, the Desire is far more expensive if purchased from unauthorized dealers.
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Most likely not the one with the SLCD but still explain how is it an improvement over the x10. Just the little more ram? Or the software that we will have soon?
I still wondering why people that would like to switch from X10 to another phone, post their suffer of having X10 here. You want change then go change, no need for second opinion from us.
I buy X10 knowing its Android 1.6, know that update will takes months to come. But i buy because i like Timescape and Mediascape, which is the main selling point to X10.
At my office, i have a lot of android phone for development test phone, i have HTC Dream, LG GW 620, Nexus One, Motorola DEXT/CLIQ, Samsung Galaxy Spica and my Sony Ericsson X10. I can say some of strong point of X10 compared to the other android in list.
Prebuilt media player is nice, compared to Nexus One basic player
The phonebook looks very nice, i like the full hi-res photo in the phonebook Timescape, plus seeing the photo when some one calling or we make call
Watching video while riding public transport in 16 : 9 screen resolution, without letterbox (most of movie i watched in phone is in HD ratio)
It comes with WMV, WMA playing capability
Timecape make me easier to read multiple one or two line SMS from my friends
Slick design of web-browser compared to other phone basic browser
Great product support (except for the firmware updates) from SE, like the PlayNow, i buy some songs with it, and also TrackID.
Stuff that is missing, but can still live without it
No multiple Gmail account can be set in the phone Gmail app (love the threaded view of gmail
Picasa and Facebook photo is not cache in the phone, have to download them everytime you want to see (this decision is made, because if the all photos is prefetched, people living in country with expensive GPRS will get mad, i know because i working in mobile sector)
No multitouch, but this i can live nicely without it
No Facebook and Phonebook photo autosync like Nexus One
So that is some of my opinion of why i choose X10, i guess some of us would think the same.
One think that i bit disappointed with X10 is that first when their haven't release, i though there will be a front facing camera, a lot of website says will have one. Which turnout to be Light Sensor or Proximity Sensor. hahaha.
But can live without it anyway, even though i like making 3g video call with my GF.
Got a chance to play with Bells Vibrant. Its nice. Its really nice actually. The screen is amazing. Its easily better than the x10's. Its very light. Didnt feel cheap to me, just insanely light. I guess to some that means cheap. The ui is too iphone like to me. But I guess we can always change that. I like the front facing camera on it, we all know this will start being used now that apple has told everyone they should use it. Also like the tvout function. Im definetely tempted to get it.
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Still tho the desire is not an improve ment over the x10. Think about it smaller screen, ****ter camera, ugly at front of x10 and screen issues like pink tint, burn ins and broken dualtouch, only thing better at the moment is software and a little more ram. I dont know why people think this way, you probably dont have your x10 set up right so that you think this way, I will probably make a video of mine and show everyone how fast,smooth and beautiful it runs I just have a feeling some people dont know how to use adw right and make the best out of their phone. I mean if your ready to switch your x10 for a desire there must be somthing wrong, In matter of fact there is a lot of people here that have switched from desire to x10 ask them why they switched.
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Mind telling me how you set up your adw? Thanks
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The Captivate is a nice phone, the best of the Galaxy S versions, it steals its looks from the X10 I would say, but I would never give up the X10's screen and camera. AMOLED? No thanks, HTC is finally abandoning those screens. Plus we're getting 2.1 the next month at the latest, and from what I know we can expect further upgrades fairly soon after.
As an aside I don't use the built in Gmail app, I find the web version is much better, is the Gmail app on 2.1 better then the one in 1.6?
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Most likely not the one with the SLCD but still explain how is it an improvement over the x10. Just the little more ram? Or the software that we will have soon?
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It's in the software, man I like HTC Sense. Rachel is nice, but not with 1.6. The Desire should get 2.2 by the time that we get 2.1. Bear in mind, I have no "desire" to sell my X10 for a Desire, but I do admire its build. It feels REALLY solid.
I like a lot of things I'm hearing about the Atrix, i'm just concerned about the low data speeds, and wonder if the iphone 4 might just have it beaten (for now).
Seems like many of you out here have good experience on both. You guys can help me (a lot) by rating which phone is better in my areas of biggest importance. And i know i am going to get iphone haters but I'm not sure i understand specifically WHY. The phone really is a great device, so please be fair to it here, but do feel free to also tell me why you think i won't like it.
1. GPS
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease
3. Stability/Speed
4. Call Quality/Least dropped calls
5. Speaker Quality/Volume
Feel free to touch on any deciding factors you might feel i did not have listed...and thanks
Your going to get some very biased answers asking this on the atrix forums, let alone xda!
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1. GPS
Pretty damn good; I used it while walking down the street to the coffee shop and got a fast lock and accurate reads.
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease
Very, very fast, although not that much faster than current generation top tier phones.
3. Stability/Speed
Amazing; the phone in its entirity feels fast and snappy. It never sslows down, even when a lot of applications are running.
4. Call Quality/Least dropped calls
I'm part of the group that never gets dropped calls or a bad signal wherever I am. Nothing but positive experiences with me.
5. Speaker Quality/Volume
Very good. Calls canned through clear. However, there is a widespread issue with the notice cancelling feature. If you have it set too high, people can't hear you.
I ended up taking mine back though. The fact that on the same wifi network, it only beat my Nexus 1 aand Captivate by asecond or so; and the quality of the screen isn't that great, even though it has a higher pixel density.
Honestly i had this same debate before i bought my atrix, after having my jailbroken iTouch(which isn't much of a difference from an iphone) and my htc aria, i've noticed how locked down the iphone is, and i love customizing my phones/devices, and android seemed like it had so much more to offer, i can't lie, i like the design of the iphone 4 and almost bought it, but the atrix is waaay more powerful and has a very bright future ahead of it rather than the iphone 4 which is about to be sorta outdated in a few months when the iphone 5 comes out(which really isn't gonna have much of a difference from the iphone 4.
This is my first motorola phone with motoblur, and a lot of people don't like motoblur but actually it's not bad at all, i blame the bad rep on the motorola backflip
ok now to answer your questions:
Motorola Atrix
1: the GPS works great, no complaints
2: the internet is blazing fast and very smooth
3: 1ghz dual core processor, pretty self explanitory lol, but i haven't experienced any lag at all
4: I haven't had any dropped calls, and the speaker is very clear and loud
5: speaker is clear and loud enough to hear from another room
and no i'm not giving a biased opinion, i like both phones, but the Atrix seems more stable and dependable which is important when on the go
I will play devil's advocate for you. My buddy's Iphone 4 is "faster" in a speedtest.net race. I have NEVER seen him upload anything through his iphone. So saying that the iphone is faster is almost a mute point, but it does upload faster. Our download speeds are the same, his Iphone, my captivate, and sadly my Atrix all hit the same download speeds.
The ONE thing that makes me android green with envy, his stupid "unreal" games. I mean its freaking gorgeous to look at, I dont even know the name of the game but its badass. I know that we are going to get some sweet game via nvidia tegra zone, but so far they all look cartoony to me. I am sure we will eventually overtake the iphone in terms of games.
Ok so back to why my phone is better... I can use my phone as a nintendo, supernintendo, playstation 1, or nintendo 64 AND connect it to the big screen AND play the games from my wii remote...
And we have webtop so neiner neiner.
atrix screen
I strongly disagree with the previous post. The Atrix screen is GREAT. Motorola did not include any hi res movies either becasue they were rushing it out the door or just not fully developed the apps. But I have seen hi res videos on the Atrix and the screen is excellent. The Atrix beats the IPhone hands done in every category. Droid phones can be optimized and customized and the result is a phone that does exactly what you want, better than any other phone out there. Trust me, get the Atrix...spend time here looking at the apps and homescreens and spend time on it....it's worth it!
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1. GPS
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease
3. Stability/Speed
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WINNERS:
1. Atrix - by a lot
2. iPhone 4, by a small margin
3. Speed goes to Atrix, stability goes to Atrix if you are familiar with Android
4. Atrix, hands down. very loud speaker, very clear voice. Far fewer dropped calls.
5. ATRIX - loudest speaker I've ever had.
I just came from the iPhone 4 to the atrix, so I figure I can speak better then most.
I really like both of these phones, and figure that either way you go will be a win for you. So that's the good news.
Some quick comparison thoughts:
The screens on the same are very very comparable. They both have a notably high pixel density, and look super sharp and clear. The colors on the iPhone are perhaps a tiny bit better, but maybe that's just a trick of the mind. Regardless, they are very comparable.
Both phones are fast, very fast. Generally, I would say that the Atrix is a bit more responsive then the iPhone. But this is not true when it comes to changing orientation. I've noticed that the Atrix can stutter for a second, where the iPhone was instant. Could be my launcher.
GPS is excellent on both. But the Atrix comes with Google Navigation built in, which basically gives you a full blown GPS on your phone. iPhone requires an expensive app, or more of a maps view then a nav view.
Stability wise, I'm torn. The Atrix does... weird things sometimes. I can't exactly explain it. I had to do a battery pull to get it to work yesterday... brought me back a few years to my blackberry days. Not that it's a terrible thing, but it is a little different. I don't think I was forced to reboot the iPhone once due to issues. It is very very stable.
Build quality goes to the iPhone 4 hands down. The Atrix has little annoying things like the fact that the back on it creaks on some phones (mine is one). Not a big deal by any stretch. But I do miss the awesome build quality of my iPhone 4. Again, Atrix is awesome, but just can't compare to the best in class iPhone.
I love the notification LED on the Atrix. That was probably the thing I missed most on my iPhone.
Call quality and clarity is better on the Atrix. The earpiece is crystal clear, which I can't say for the iPhone. My friends say I sound better on the Atrix too.
To me what it comes down for overall is the software though. I am by no means an expert developer or crazy programmer, but I am very good with most technology. I love controlling my experience, and being able to mess with it. The iPhone is... for lack of a better word, very boring. It is kind of all the same stuff, and once you have it for a week, nothing ever really changes on it. You have the same home screen and everything else. It is what it is.
The possibilities on Atrix are endless. Even without an unlocked bootloader, there is a ridiculous amount of stuff you can do with this phone. Depending on your mood on a given week, you can completely customize things to fit your demands. What widgets and setup you use one day you can completely change the next. I like that freedom a lot.
And call me stupid... but I love my live wallpapers. They are so cool to me.
Overall, the move to Atrix was an awesome decision for me.
I just switched from an iPhone 4 yesterday to the Atrix and the bottom line is that I am incredibly happy with the switch.
A lot of people covered the basics: The GPS is great and built in Nav is nice. Call quality is very crisp, the phone is fast and web browsing is just as smooth as the iPhone. I have had no difficulty adjusting and actually, a lot of things, such as notifications, are designed much more logically.
My reason for a switch was that I was very bored with iOS, going through 3 generations of the phone. The OS is sort of stagnant.
There are a few hiccups on the Atrix - I don't love the texting app and the way it handles embedded images. I also think that the battery indicator is a little strange - still figuring it out.
Aside from, the customization options (even without bootloader access) are incredibly diverse. I love the screen (don't understand all the hate, honestly) and I similarly have had no problems with motoblur yet. Some of the moto widgets are bad, but I just delete them.
One more key factor - I LOVE BEING ITUNES FREE. It is SO nice to just drag and drop files to my phone and have them show up appropriately. It's a world of difference.
If you have any specific questions for a recent iPhone 4 switcher, feel free to PM me.
Thanks
As an owner of both phones, I can say both phones are great. As much as I hate Apple as a company, it has saddened me the past year to say build quality wise, nothing really compares to the iPhone4...it's like a nice expensive watch, glass on both sides and metal on the sides. The Atrix's plasticy build with small creaks here and there(all phones with some plastic removable battery cover will always creak). Both phones are pretty snappy but iOS has always been more smooth and fluid when it comes to UI transitions. My i4 is jailbroken and tweaked to hell, but I don't theme it with Winterboard as I see some lag with it. Apple must use a better digitizer and have some better touch algorithm implemented, because no other touch device is on par with them. The Atrix screen comes close, but you still can feel the difference on touch response. You can also tell the IPS screen on the iPhone4 is still sharper and produces colors more accurately, but then again, it is an IPS screen. While I've always loved how the Android browser loads the pages quickly with no transparancy checkerboard, browsing on the iPhone4 is just smoother, but that could be a by-product of the better screen. Sometimes people say I sound muffled on the Atrix, but it may depend on how I hold the phone.
I wanted to see the hype about Tegra2 so I download Samurai2 for Tegra2. It looks stunning on the Atrix, however, it looks just as good on the iPhone4 too. So that was kind of a letdown to see that Tegra2 was matched by Apple's 9month old SOC. I also have a NexusOne(currently running on Modaco's GB) and love how I can install ROMs and Nandroid to backup my device to try other other ROMs, but with this bootloader lockdown and the possibility that there is a Nvidia efuse in Tegra2, it makes buying Moto almost as bad as buying Apple. While xda is a great community with some very very intelligent people, the jailbreak scene on iOS has worked wonders because they only focus on one OS version for basically one device(Pod/Pad/Phone/TV).
Basically, you shouldn't even consider the iPhone4, when the 5 is coming. Spec wise, if it's using the dual core A5 chip that they just announced on the iPad2, then it will probably be one of the fastest and most powerful phones available. The only thing is, you have to deal with the Apple tax of iTunes and a locked down system until it's jailbroken. The Atrix is a great phone and if you had to buy a phone tomorrow, it should be the one to get...but July isn't that far away.
If you can wait....
I have been thinking about both. It might make sense to wait a month until iPhone 5 details come out. It is supposed to have a HW upgrade and there are some pretty interesting rummours out there (NFC, etc).
Do not buy the iPhone 4 right now as 5 is coming out in a few months...
That being said, the Atrix has VERY fast web browsing. From what I remember of using the iPhone 4 for a month, whenever you try to scroll quickly or zoom out quickly, you get a slight gray loading area. This also happened on the Captivate and n1, but on the Atrix, that never happens on heavy content sites like Engadget.
If you really dont care about the differences between iOs and Android, and LOVE gaming and the best battery life of any smartphone, get the iPhone. But if you want "freedom" and hands down the best integrated google service, get the Atrix.
I think both devices are extremely good. If you want to live in the iTunes ecosystem, then the iPhone is the way to go. However, I have not a single dropped call with my Atrix in St. Louis, and my cousin's iPhone 4 drops calls constantly. It's not the network, it's the phone.
The iPhone has a better app store ecosystem in that the quality of apps are often better and there are a ton of high-quality iOS games from big developers, not quite up there for Android yet.
The iPhone also has a very good camera and camcorder. Better media support (as in netflix, hulu +, AirVideo streaming, etc).
The Atrix is a great all-around device too. I think the camera and camcorder are pretty good, and the screen is wonderful. I just can't use a 3.5" screen on the iPhone anymore. And the iPhone notification system is just terrible.
Google Maps, Voice and Gmail are extremely good on the Atrix and they are all lacking on the iPhone. I also think the battery life on the Atrix is incredible. I'm getting better battery life than I had on any other phone ever.
I had to make this decision and I chose the Atrix.
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Basically, you shouldn't even consider the iPhone4, when the 5 is coming. Spec wise, if it's using the dual core A5 chip that they just announced on the iPad2, then it will probably be one of the fastest and most powerful phones available. July isn't that far away.
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Agreed, At least on a personal level. used my upgrade for the Atrix, returned it for the iPhone 4 a few days later. Today ill be going back, returning the iPhone and getting the Atrix at full price ($499). That way ill get my full upgrade back for July when I see how the next iPhone looks (if its not a 4" screen I doubt i'll waist my time, but we will see). I'm considering just staying with the Atrix and maybe supplimenting my lack of iOS games with the iPad 2, but we will see.
iPhone screen seems awfully small after using an atrix
I went from an iPhone 4 to an Atrix, and i don't miss the iPhone at all, really. Will the iPhone 5 be better? Possibly. Will i care? Not really. The main turn-off for me in regards to any Apple product is their OCD towards iTunes. I want my phone to be a phone..... just as much as i want a 16GB storage media to be a 16GB storage media. I don't want to have to either constantly sync it to iTunes, or rely on some 3rd party work-around to be able to access the data stored on my phone without using Apple's sh*tty software.
If it wasn't for iTunes, lack of complete customization, and basically being just another sheep in the herd carrying one around.... i wouldn't mind another iPhone. But until that time comes (which it never will), buh bye iPhone.
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I went from an iPhone 4 to an Atrix, and i don't miss the iPhone at all, really. Will the iPhone 5 be better? Possibly. Will i care? Not really. The main turn-off for me in regards to any Apple product is their OCD towards iTunes. I want my phone to be a phone..... just as much as i want a 16GB storage media to be a 16GB storage media. I don't want to have to either constantly sync it to iTunes, or rely on some 3rd party work-around to be able to access the data stored on my phone without using Apple's sh*tty software.
If it wasn't for iTunes, lack of complete customization, and basically being just another sheep in the herd carrying one around.... i wouldn't mind another iPhone. But until that time comes (which it never will), buh bye iPhone.
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Well, the choice also depends on whether you prefer stable and simple os or a more complex but not as cleaned up os. As for now, I agree with the other posters to wait for the iphone 5, then compare. Right now I have the atrix, and already the iphone 4 camera and screen are both better. The atrix may be powerful, but nothing is capable of fully utilizing it, not to mention that the iphone 5 will be just as, if not more, powerful. The atrix may be good in a few months, but for fast updates, reliable stability, and damn nice designing, wait for the iphone 5.
Oh and android doesn't have monopoly (I mean the board game)
Thank you everyone
Thanks to all that contributed...some very good points made all around.
Basically here's how i have broken down the comparison with all other things being practically equal:
Iphone has slightly better screen, excellent build (best of any phone possibly), and better cams, but proprietary OS etc make it hard(er) to customize.
Atrix has more customization/freedom, led notifications, possibly better call quality, and the potential to be a great phone once it's cracked.
I can't hold off for i5, although i'm sure i can give it a look when it's here. For the meantime i think i am going to go with the Atrix. It's a shame Apple turns off so many with having to use itunes bc i think that is where it's biggest argument against seems to be from and i am sure if i owned it i would not like that either
after 4 years of using an iPhone, once I tried out Android, I stayed. User-customizability is what won me over (among other things such as notifications, google apps, swype, google nav, google voice, etc).
My timeline of smartphones as follows:
iPhone 2G, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, Evo, Captivate, Nexus One, Atrix