I live outside the US, and my family thinks it would be terrific if we all got iphone 4 and video chat from time to time. My mom's not a tech, so this facetime is simple and perfect for her to see her son once in a while.
So I sold my N1, and now am using an Iphone 3gs IOS4 while waiting for my iphone 4.
Plain and simple, the IOS 4 is just horrendous compared to android 2.2. Its clunky, limited, slow, restrictive and doesn't have any sort of customization. With android, I had widgets, live wall papers, tons of options for sms, sounds, animations, etc. I could replace the browser, keyboard, sms program, integrated voice command, search, etc.
Safari web browser is just slow, word wrap doesn't work very well. the keyboard horrible. How hard is it to show, after you press the shift button, the keys to appear as small case and upper case?
If you thought the n1 dialer was boring, the iphone dialer is even worse. Compared to the beautiful n1 screen, the 3gs is downright ugly. I know the iphone 4 should be about the same if not better.
on the plus side, the iphone can receive/make calls in certain buildings that the n1 struggled with. No more crazy multi touch wigging out on the iphone.
But I sure do miss my n1. hopefully future android phones can have integrated ease of use videochat so I can go back. As of now, Im stuck with the crapple magical iphone.
I use to think the iphone 3gs was the best phone ever. But after using an N1 for the last 4 months, the ios 4 can't even compare. You N1 users have it good...
I feel sorry for you dude, having to use a phone that you don't want to.
Snoopy997s said:
I live outside the US, and my family thinks it would be terrific if we all got iphone 4 and video chat from time to time. My mom's not a tech, so this facetime is simple and perfect for her to see her son once in a while.
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You made the right choice for your family
Dont let a fanboy come on here and tell you otherwise or how you should have stayed with Android sort of thing. Sometimes it just doesnt work out...
Great job looking out for your family though and I hope you can join us again in the future
"Great job looking out for your family though and I hope you can join us again in the future"
When FaceTime will be open and also implented in Android it shoulded be a problem to switch back!
Thanks for lettings us now how you experianced the switch!
doesnt the Evo 4G have a front facing camera along with the soon to come droid x?
Good luck getting reception in that building with the iPhone 4, it has worse reception than the 3GS.
Sent from my Nexus One
jason.hamilton said:
doesnt the Evo 4G have a front facing camera along with the soon to come droid x?
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Yes, but I'm sure the implementation of video calling is not as easy as facetime.
jaapschaap said:
When FaceTime will be open and also implented in Android it shoulded be a problem to switch back!
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Dont think thats ever going to happen.
Just get the next andoid phone with a front facing cam and tell your mom to download Fring.
Mokurex said:
Yes, but I'm sure the implementation of video calling is not as easy as facetime.
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On the other hand, it DOES work on 3G, something that the iPhone 4's FaceTime won't do.
I'm testing the 4 for work, next to my Nexus and a 3GS. The 4 gets generally better service and will hold calls better than the 3GS in low service. But all that applies only if you don't, you know, touch the thing. The much-discussed antenna detune is real, and, if you are not paying attention, you can absolutely lose all your usable signal by grabbing the phone wrong. The Nexus gets slightly better signal than the I4 (and the I3GS), and also, even with the well-known antenna-position issue, KILLS both the 3G and 4 in HSPA up and down speeds. As everyone knows, you can lose from 10-15dBm of signal on the Nexus by wrapping your hand tightly around the bottom of the phone. But the iPhone 4 is even worse - bridge the antenna, and you are losing at least 20.
For voice calls - the iPhone 4 and Nexus have fairly equivalent (and excellent!) outgoing voice quality. The iPhone 4 has a much better speakerphone and much better earpiece volume and sound quality than the Nexus though. The iPhone 4 and the Nexus are pretty similar in captured signal, and the Nexus holds weak signal MUCH better. Hand-position issues are a much bigger deal on the iPhone 4 than on the Nexus - though, even with that, in my week of testing, I've not lost any calls.
And the very worst thing about iOS4 and the iPhone 4 is that every time you go out of signal range (the kind of thing that happens on the Metro, for instance), it flashes a notification that pauses video, interrupts games, etc. And there is no way that I can find to turn that the hell OFF.
Didn't like Apple come through and told their users and the world that the signal bar on their phone display actually shows higher signal stats than what it in reality really is.
As facetime only works on wifi and the new iPod touch may have facetime, you may be able to do that at some point and switch back to android?
Sindroid said:
Didn't like Apple come through and told their users and the world that the signal bar on their phone display actually shows higher signal stats than what it in reality really is.
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Its already been proven that their software fix wont solve the issue because its a physical problem with the phone and the bar thing was just meant to calm down people who don't know better.
Honestly, guys, people have complained about reception/grip and signal bar problems with the N1, too. Do a google search if you don't believe me.
you should have said something.
I could have saved you and your family thousands of dollars
by telling you that there is this free video chat program called skype.
bigmout said:
Honestly, guys, people have complained about reception/grip and signal bar problems with the N1, too. Do a google search if you don't believe me.
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Hmmmm no.
If you cup the N1--touch the bottom directly, not the corners--it'll lose some signal, though I don't believe it's enough to drop calls. It's possible to hold the phone quite naturally without touching this antenna. When on a call, palms often touch the bottom corners. No problem: that's not where the N1's antennae is.
The iFail 4's antenna, on the other hand, are located in the bottom-left corner. That's right--the place where most people's hands will be making contact with.
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Hmmmm no.
If you cup the N1--touch the bottom directly, not the corners--it'll lose some signal, though I don't believe it's enough to drop calls. It's possible to hold the phone quite naturally without touching this antenna. When on a call, palms often touch the bottom corners. No problem: that's not where the N1's antennae is.
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Hmmmm, yes. It may not be as bad as the iPhone 4, but the problem is real. To suggest otherwise is fanboyism.
On the subject of Video Calling, when is there going to be an open standard so that any device can call any device??? I want to call my nephew on his XBOX 360 using my Ninteno 3Ds
I'll probably put the iphone in a case and see how that goes. But the whole os4 on the iphone just pales in comparison to android.
I know the newer iphone 4 is better than the current 3gs, hardware wise. but I don't see anything compelling OS wise over android. Maybe Im too much of a tech geek, and the iphone is too restrictive.
But its great to see new models of android every few months. if the iphone really sucks. I can't even get a second phone and swap sim because of the iphone's micro sims
I must say when I first read the title of this thread I thought "not another troll"
But sorry for your loss good sir
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Hmmmm, yes. It may not be as bad as the iPhone 4, but the problem is real. To suggest otherwise is fanboyism.
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hmmmm.. no Put a case on the phone fixes all problems. Those are just apple fanboys that makes up garbage.
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So I'm going to be straight up with you guys... I (like many of you) have and many smartphones in the past. My last phone before the N1 was a iPhone 3G unlocked/jailbroken.
I loved the iPhone, however like most people I was fed up with not having background apps, Google Voice, and I really hate getting notifications on the iPhone... Yeah I jailbroke it so I could run apps in the background and get google voice, but it was still lacking. BUT it DID work, and worked so well than I rarely had to reset/reboot it. Also, the chance that an app you download will work is in the 99th percentile unlike Android apps.
BUT, I do love the N1... However I DO feel like every time I jump online and check out some of the websites (engadget, gizmodo, BRG, etc) I'm going to run across a new article putting shame on the N1... Today was one of those days regarding multitouch..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=player_embedded
other issues I have with the phone (STOCK ROM not unlocked) are:
-PDAnet won't work when I'm on a phone call, it seems like the phone drops to GPRS every fricken time! I've wiped my phone and ONLY installed PDA net to test it even
-Memory managment = with a iPhone you realistically never have to worry about memory regarding programs downloaded, Google needs to allow apps to SD card OUT OF THE BOX.
-Overall stability = I figure I have to reboot/reset my phone at least every other day due to it hanging up on something or just acting outright odd.. In my photo gallery it won't pull up some of my photos in full resolution, WTF~comon...
-Overall radio power = this phone just seems to suck ass with regards to getting a signal whether it's 3G or EDGE compared to most other phones.
So I'm hoping/thinking that the DESIRE might have some of these issues fixed. I'm really keeping an eye on it to see what transpires. So who's thinking the same???
I don't have my N1 yet, but if I don't have any issues - then I see no reason to ever switch to the Desire. I will, however, install the Desire ROM on my N1. So, I will have a NexusDesireOne lol. Everything on the Nexus One, plus Desire's Sense ~ that is good enough for me.
Given that I don't share any of your complaints, I don't care about the optical trackpad, and I very much like having 3G, I see no reason to switch to a Desire when it becomes available, especially since I'll be able to run its full ROM when it comes out (and the beta now).
Per your first point, for all of the bad press the Nexus One has received, I have not read a single bit of it that impacts my experience with the device. I was taken care of promptly when I called HTC to have my stock sleeve replaced, a radio update found here fixed my reception issues, my multitouch seems to be working just fine even if some developer found a way to make it look inferior to the Droid's implementation of it, and I could care less how many units Google moved.
The bottom line is what the phone does for YOU, and in my specific situation, it may very well be the best phone I've ever had.
I feel the same way, but it doesn't get around the multitouch issue and horrible radio signal issues.
I tell yeah, the one thing I was deathly scared of when I moved to the iPhone was typing on a touchscreen. But the iPhone keyboard rocks! To put it bluntly, the N1's keyboard is such garbage it's basically what I was expecting the iPhone to be like.
I think it's due to the lower quality touchscreen personally... I mean I see keys/letters getting pressed from the other side of the screen a LOT if I type fast...
j.bruha said:
it may very well be the best phone I've ever had.
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What other phones HAVE you had?
tropmonky said:
I feel the same way, but it doesn't get around the multitouch issue and horrible radio signal issues.
I tell yeah, the one thing I was deathly scared of when I moved to the iPhone was typing on a touchscreen. But the iPhone keyboard rocks! To put it bluntly, the N1's keyboard is such garbage it's basically what I was expecting the iPhone to be like.
I think it's due to the lower quality touchscreen personally... I mean I see keys/letters getting pressed from the other side of the screen a LOT if I type fast...
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I don;t have any of the problems you have.
My radio is workig fine.
I like the capacitive buttons on the N1. The Desire has a little more RAM which with my Cyanogen Kernel I don't think any more RAM is necesary. It's already overkill stock. Then throw Cyanogen on top of it and it's ridiculous how many apps I can have running. I had 49 apps running yesterday...that's retarded lol.
It has Sense UI which is nice but it's just software and can be built for the N1...Obviously.
Flash will be ready for N1 very very soon as mentioned by Adobe.
So there isn't really any reason to trade honestly.
People still complain about the radio issues but they fixed it when they released ERE27. I think people have munchausen syndrome. People have nothing to compare to, just complain. I have an N1, my cousin has an N1. My wife has my old MyTouch and I just sold my G1. I drove around Dallas, Texas with all three phones. No signal difference in the three. N1 dropped to Edge when the MyTouch did.
People don't understand that 3G coverage doesn't mean you're covered 100%, It means it's available in that area. If you lose signal then you get Edge.
What the hell for? It's the same hardware. I've got Sense on my N1 already. Plus, hardware buttons? Hideous. The only thing it has over the N1 is the trackpad, but that's all, not to mention that it lacks noise cancellation.
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Also, the chance that an app you download will work is in the 99th percentile unlike Android apps.
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All the apps I've ever downloaded work fine and do what they say on the tin.
BUT, I do love the N1... However I DO feel like every time I jump online and check out some of the websites (engadget, gizmodo, BRG, etc) I'm going to run across a new article putting shame on the N1... Today was one of those days regarding multitouch..
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And most of those are Apple fanboy sites. Particularly Gizmoduh and Boy Genius Retard. Your point?
-Memory managment = with a iPhone you realistically never have to worry about memory regarding programs downloaded, Google needs to allow apps to SD card OUT OF THE BOX.
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Cute, but if you jailbroke your iPhone I'm sure you wouldn't have qualms over rooting your Nexus. Apps2sd, the end.
-Overall stability = I figure I have to reboot/reset my phone at least every other day due to it hanging up on something or just acting outright odd.. In my photo gallery it won't pull up some of my photos in full resolution, WTF~comon...
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Huh? The only times I've had to reboot mine is when I'm flashing a new ROM and need to boot into recovery or whatever. Sounds like you're doing something fantastically wrong.
-Overall radio power = this phone just seems to suck ass with regards to getting a signal whether it's 3G or EDGE compared to most other phones.
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Flash ERE38 radio image. Done.
I think it's pretty funny reading the "outrage" of the multitouch thing.
uum, I've yet to even notice anything wrong.
grainysand said:
It's the same hardware.
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Not the same. It's similar. It has 64mb more RAM. Which I already stated my opinion on that a few posts prior to this one.
dumbestcrayon said:
I like the capacitive buttons on the N1.
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I prefer them to actual buttons.
At least thy can't wear out.
The buttons on my G1 were almost un-recognizable after 6 months.
tropmonky said:
I feel the same way, but it doesn't get around the multitouch issue and horrible radio signal issues.
I tell yeah, the one thing I was deathly scared of when I moved to the iPhone was typing on a touchscreen. But the iPhone keyboard rocks! To put it bluntly, the N1's keyboard is such garbage it's basically what I was expecting the iPhone to be like.
I think it's due to the lower quality touchscreen personally... I mean I see keys/letters getting pressed from the other side of the screen a LOT if I type fast...
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Please explain your "MultiTouch" issue because I have absolutely none. It's 100% responsive to everything I do with an instant response time. What are you trying to do with it?
tropmonky said:
I feel the same way, but it doesn't get around the multitouch issue and horrible radio signal issues.
I tell yeah, the one thing I was deathly scared of when I moved to the iPhone was typing on a touchscreen. But the iPhone keyboard rocks! To put it bluntly, the N1's keyboard is such garbage it's basically what I was expecting the iPhone to be like.
I think it's due to the lower quality touchscreen personally... I mean I see keys/letters getting pressed from the other side of the screen a LOT if I type fast...
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So... use Swype?
Tropmonky is sounding more and more like a stray Apple fanboy
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What other phones HAVE you had?
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The one's that have mattered in the past few years start with the N95 (almost all versions of them), almost every high-end Symbian device to come out like the N97, i8910, etc., all three iPhone variants, and a few others in between.
With the exception of the lack of multimedia capabilities, the Nexus One has been my favorite. The i8910 was a close second specifically because of its multimedia capabilities.
i would not swap my N1. the desire lacks the noise cancelling mic. it has more ram but thats because it needs it to run sense ui. the nexus works perfectly and as someoo]ne mentioned above, every one of those sites u mentioned is a totally biased apple fanboi site- esp. engadget- i have lost all respect of them only reporting half a story and putting pro apple spins on everything.
i have perfect reception. as for MT i am not sure whatt the problem is- works perfectly for me.
Henchman said:
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That's what I thought from the start. Whatever problems your average Nexus may have, having to reboot/reset constantly isn't one of them. ***** please, it's a *nix-based OS. Not saying everything Linux/*nix is a gift from god--I use Windows myself, being a gamer, and enjoy Win7 just fine--but Android is pretty damn stable. It's not a BB, here.
The Multitouch issue is a bug in the Sensor or driver that gives wrong positions under certain conditions. It seems to be a bug in all N1. It's not such a big deal if you don't play certain games but it's a bit annoying to know that it is there. The unfortunate thing is that I'm 100% sure that the Desire would have the same Screen with the same sensors and therefore the same bug.
The other things aren't such a big deal for me, or I never had any problems with it.
A lot of people complain about the reception, but coming from a blackberry bold, ERE27 is great. We have a tin roof, and no one could call me when i was at home on my BB.
I might do it if the 3G issue is not fixed. But so far google is being to send out replacements..
If I have a stock N1 can I flash the ERE38 without rooting?
So as much as I wanted this phone to be perfect, after playing around with it for a few days... it just isn't happening. All the shortcomings of the device are starting to get to me...
- Low speaker volume (can be fixed with a mod)
- Low ringtone volume
- Bad sound quality (hissing and low volume)
- Bad radio placement (holding the bottom drops a few bars)
- UI laggyness (this did go away for me after throwing on cyanogen)
- Touchscreen problems (glitches out/goes haywire, not always responsive...)
All of these problems remind me of the Dream/Magic... Is HTC ever planning on improving on any of these downfalls (...ever)? The worst one out of all of them would probably be the touchscreen. I mean the iPhone has been out for what, 3+ years now? Why can't HTC/android put out a decent working KB yet? Typing on this thing efficiently is near impossible. I've owned tons of phones, and with that being said, I was never an Apple fanboi, but in the world of touchscreen smartphones I always end up going back to that damn phone. Sure android is fun as hell to play around with, but it isn't there yet... I can care less about the next processor HTC uses I just really hope they address some of these issues because that would really put them ahead of the game
In all fairness, the iPhone is no king in the RF department either, and the speaker sucks as well, but it has pretty damn good sound quality when it comes to the media department, and the touchscreen on it is perfect. If only HTC (or is it android?) can fix these issues... Because right now the phone feels gimped, and I'd much rather use a JB'ed iPhone, sadly.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but want to see what other people think. 3 friggin years and iPhone has yet to be dethroned. Android is great, but we need someone else to adopt it and produce a worthwhile phone ffs. Look at the X10, another android fail on the horizon *sigh*.
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Had mine since January. None of these issues have presented themselves on mine. Although I did just notice a lot of dust under my screen. Replacement time.
I guess it's possible I got a defective unit. Or maybe I'm just too godamn picky I don't know... I compared it to a friends Droid (Milestone) and his had me beat on the first four things I mentioned. Kind of disappointing when this is the flagship android phone. Though it was manufactured by HTC and I had all these issues on the Dream and Magic, so it's not surprising...
digital bliss said:
So as much as I wanted this phone to be perfect, after playing around with it for a few days... it just isn't happening. All the shortcomings of the device are starting to get to me...
- Low speaker volume (can be fixed with a mod)
- Low ringtone volume
- Bad sound quality (hissing and low volume)
- Bad radio placement (holding the bottom drops a few bars)
- UI laggyness (this did go away for me after throwing on cyanogen)
- Touchscreen problems (glitches out/goes haywire, not always responsive...)
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Yeah, sounds like you had a bad unit. I've had mine for a few weeks and so far so good though I have noticed sometimes the low volume on the call. But ringtones are loud, no hissing and living in Denver, I've had great reception.
digital bliss said:
So as much as I wanted this phone to be perfect,
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This pretty much sums it up. You're expecting a perfect phone, and essentially looking for issues.
No phone is perfect.
Hell, the iPhone's been out 3+ years and can't multitask.
Look at my sign and realize that I've had the gamut of phones.
This by far is the best.
I'm still getting used to the keyboard and the camera isn't as good as 5 MP should be. But then again. No camera is as good as the one that was on my W800.
the droid has a far better speaker on it than the nexus..
i haven't heard any hissing or popping listening to music on mine
the radio placement is only an issue in low signal strength areas, like when you are around -80+DBm signal strength
my UI is fine, sometimes it lags when making a shortcut and im pulling up the application list, but that's only cause i have soooo much installed
have not had a single touchscreen problem, i think most of the time people aren't realizing that part of their hand or fingers holding the phone are touching it.. The digitizer runs almost to the metal edge of the screen it seems, it is very sensitive. The tiniest bit of skin touching the edge of the screen will throw it off.
digital bliss said:
So as much as I wanted this phone to be perfect, after playing around with it for a few days... it just isn't happening. All the shortcomings of the device are starting to get to me...
- Low speaker volume (can be fixed with a mod)
- Low ringtone volume
- Bad sound quality (hissing and low volume)
- Bad radio placement (holding the bottom drops a few bars)
- UI laggyness (this did go away for me after throwing on cyanogen)
- Touchscreen problems (glitches out/goes haywire, not always responsive...)
All of these problems remind me of the Dream/Magic... Is HTC ever planning on improving on any of these downfalls (...ever)? The worst one out of all of them would probably be the touchscreen. I mean the iPhone has been out for what, 3+ years now? Why can't HTC/android put out a decent working KB yet? Typing on this thing efficiently is near impossible. I've owned tons of phones, and with that being said, I was never an Apple fanboi, but in the world of touchscreen smartphones I always end up going back to that damn phone. Sure android is fun as hell to play around with, but it isn't there yet... I can care less about the next processor HTC uses I just really hope they address some of these issues because that would really put them ahead of the game
In all fairness, the iPhone is no king in the RF department either, and the speaker sucks as well, but it has pretty damn good sound quality when it comes to the media department, and the touchscreen on it is perfect. If only HTC (or is it android?) can fix these issues... Because right now the phone feels gimped, and I'd much rather use a JB'ed iPhone, sadly.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but want to see what other people think. 3 friggin years and iPhone has yet to be dethroned. Android is great, but we need someone else to adopt it and produce a worthwhile phone ffs. Look at the X10, another android fail on the horizon *sigh*.
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My media volume was ok at best on full volume but since applying the audio hack its perfect. I never once had a problem with ringtones.
The loud speaker is essentially a single mono speaker so you can not expect 5.1 stereo surround sound. but it does annoy me that my old wizard had 2 speakers and a decent sound.
The radio problem is something I agree with you on. It's like they intended for us to buy Bluetooth headsets because its ridiculous that we have to hold our phones in an unnatural position.
As for the touch screen I only have problems if I have some oil on the phone from my hands. And even then it is rarely an issue.
Sony made the x10 a failure , not Google
Meh... I love This phone.... everything about it.....
Paul22000 said:
This pretty much sums it up. You're expecting a perfect phone, and essentially looking for issues.
No phone is perfect.
Hell, the iPhone's been out 3+ years and can't multitask.
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That's very true, and probably the reason why I keep getting a new phone every 3 months.
mrbkkt1 said:
Look at my sign and realize that I've had the gamut of phones.
This by far is the best.
I'm still getting used to the keyboard and the camera isn't as good as 5 MP should be. But then again. No camera is as good as the one that was on my W800.
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I've had quite a few in the past year alone, and pretty much embarrassed to type them all out. I look at my addiction more as a hobby heh. I am enjoying this phone, don't get me wrong, but maybe expected a little too much for a ~$530 unlocked phone. Then again though, for the price, we're getting a LOT and I really shouldn't be complaining. But also, if these issues were to be addressed (seemingly small issues to most) I wouldn't mind paying the extra.
malicious85 said:
the droid has a far better speaker on it than the nexus..
i haven't heard any hissing or popping listening to music on mine
the radio placement is only an issue in low signal strength areas, like when you are around -80+DBm signal strength
my UI is fine, sometimes it lags when making a shortcut and im pulling up the application list, but that's only cause i have soooo much installed
have not had a single touchscreen problem, i think most of the time people aren't realizing that part of their hand or fingers holding the phone are touching it.. The digitizer runs almost to the metal edge of the screen it seems, it is very sensitive. The tiniest bit of skin touching the edge of the screen will throw it off.
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I hope HTC ups their speaker quality. Motorola has been putting phones out for a lifetime, and I've never had problems in regards to build quality or RF with any past Moto phones I've owned... so in terms of the Droid, I'm a little envious on those two fronts.
I'm in an area with great 3G, so admittedly it's more a pet peeve for me, reminds me of the E71 which had an equally bad radio placement, but that phone actually dropped calls because of it, I haven't had that problem *yet*.
UI is smooth as butter on cyanogen, but when it was stock it'd be spiky going from frame to frame which made me wonder, why... especially with a snapdragon... I guess the memory being freed up by cyanogen really makes the difference?
As for the touchscreen, that could very well be my problem indeed... Reminds me of my laptop touchpad (which is made by Synaptics too, lol). I guess you really need a lot of discipline when using the keyboard/touchscreen something I guess I'll eventually get used to after using it for a few weeks.
jz9833 said:
My media volume was ok at best on full volume but since applying the audio hack its perfect. I never once had a problem with ringtones.
The loud speaker is essentially a single mono speaker so you can not expect 5.1 stereo surround sound. but it does annoy me that my old wizard had 2 speakers and a decent sound.
The radio problem is something I agree with you on. It's like they intended for us to buy Bluetooth headsets because its ridiculous that we have to hold our phones in an unnatural position.
As for the touch screen I only have problems if I have some oil on the phone from my hands. And even then it is rarely an issue.
Sony made the x10 a failure , not Google
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I'm going to try that audio hack later tonight, haven't had the chance to yet but I think it will make me at peace. And yeah it's true that Sony kept to the trend and effed up yet again another flagship release.
I just want a touch with great RF and speakers. Motorola did it, but it included the slideout which I didn't want.
digital bliss said:
So as much as I wanted this phone to be perfect, after playing around with it for a few days... it just isn't happening. All the shortcomings of the device are starting to get to me...
- Low speaker volume (can be fixed with a mod)
- Low ringtone volume
- Bad sound quality (hissing and low volume)
- Bad radio placement (holding the bottom drops a few bars)
- UI laggyness (this did go away for me after throwing on cyanogen)
- Touchscreen problems (glitches out/goes haywire, not always responsive...)
All of these problems remind me of the Dream/Magic... Is HTC ever planning on improving on any of these downfalls (...ever)? The worst one out of all of them would probably be the touchscreen. I mean the iPhone has been out for what, 3+ years now? Why can't HTC/android put out a decent working KB yet? Typing on this thing efficiently is near impossible. I've owned tons of phones, and with that being said, I was never an Apple fanboi, but in the world of touchscreen smartphones I always end up going back to that damn phone. Sure android is fun as hell to play around with, but it isn't there yet... I can care less about the next processor HTC uses I just really hope they address some of these issues because that would really put them ahead of the game
In all fairness, the iPhone is no king in the RF department either, and the speaker sucks as well, but it has pretty damn good sound quality when it comes to the media department, and the touchscreen on it is perfect. If only HTC (or is it android?) can fix these issues... Because right now the phone feels gimped, and I'd much rather use a JB'ed iPhone, sadly.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but want to see what other people think. 3 friggin years and iPhone has yet to be dethroned. Android is great, but we need someone else to adopt it and produce a worthwhile phone ffs. Look at the X10, another android fail on the horizon *sigh*.
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You're brave people in this forum don't like to be told he phone has issues, I was too afraid to even read the responses yet. It's one of the best phones available but I know exactly what you mean. People here don't like this for some reason but its ok to admit that android and specifically the nexus is meant to compete with the iPhone. And so the comparisons logically follow !nd that's a good thing.
The iPhone is Michael Jordan, it changed the game and that's good for us because its really the only competition for Android in my opinion. The iPhone (should) bring the best out of Android.
But I too am frustrated that Android didn't look at the things that work on the main phone its competing with because the nexus really should have a keyboard, touchscreen and browser on par with the iPhone since it came out long after the iPhone. I wish to whichever god is the right one that I had never used the iPhone because I wouldn't realize how different the touchscreens are. It's not that the nexus one is bad its just that it could've been SO SO much better and its doubly frustrating that it came out so long after the iPhone, why not at least aim for iPhone quality? Also, The iPhone is ever so slightly wider and uses a thick keys like system, easy characteristics that make its keyboard substantially better. But with the HTC IME once you get used to it its actually almost adequate.
But be patient because, although I've ranted about wanting Android to fix the vast amount of issues ASAP it looks like Android is more concerned with putting out froyo that's supposed to be the last major update before Android focuses on updates defragmenting its OS. So wait and see what froyo has to offer, im confident and excited about it and I'm as hard on Android and the nexus oneas anyone here.
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I guess it's possible I got a defective unit. Or maybe I'm just too godamn picky I don't know... I compared it to a friends Droid (Milestone) and his had me beat on the first four things I mentioned. Kind of disappointing when this is the flagship android phone. Though it was manufactured by HTC and I had all these issues on the Dream and Magic, so it's not surprising...
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I doubt you have a defective unit..you are being a LITTLE picky but those problems are there
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This pretty much sums it up. You're expecting a perfect phone, and essentially looking for issues.
No phone is perfect.
Hell, the iPhone's been out 3+ years and can't multitask.
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ya but see thats a software issue which can be fixed by jailbreaking the iphone..i had full multitasking on my iphone and it worked perfectly..the hardware on the iphone was flawless for me
the touch screen was PERFECT it supported TRUE multitouch because apple put a proper touchscreen in their phone unlike htcs descion to put a 3 year old glitchy touch screen on their "superphone". Its not glitchy for normal use but for mulitouch is SUCKS. I loved the games on my iphone and controls that were implemented but i cant have them because htc is cheap
altough my g1 and magic had a 3.2mp camera and my iphone had 2.0, the iphone took much better pictures than my htc devices, it didnt have to be bright sunny day to not get a dark picture.
so pretty much android is great htc is cheap. I dont know what happened with the speaker this time because my g1 and mytouch were pretty damn loud, but the touch screen is really annoying. Hopefully they have a better touch screen on the evo4g clearpad 3000 please
When threads like this come around, why do we post in them (I'm being hypocritical of of course), he thinks the iphone (and the Droid I guess) is more superior than this phone, and then everyone in the forum must take out little tidbits of his post and try to convine him otherwise or prove him wrong - which I believe is completely pointless.
Let the guy go on to the next phone, I mean who cares lol
None of these issues are pressent on my phone anyways, I don't use the speaker - I use headphones, my signal is great, my touch screen is great, really everything is simply great. Honestly to me the sole purpose of these threads are to try and make the members of forums mad or shaken up, because lots of people in the Android community get rather irritated when you compare these phones to the iphone. Though they are meant to compete with it - people seem to praise the device to a point that is inhumane.
Really Steve did a good job making little iMinions.
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I wish to whichever god is the right one that I had never used the iPhone because I wouldn't realize how different the touchscreens are. It's not that the nexus one is bad its just that it could've been SO SO much better and its doubly frustrating that it came out so long after the iPhone, why not at least aim for iPhone quality? Also, The iPhone is ever so slightly wider and uses a thick keys like system, easy characteristics that make its keyboard substantially better. But with the HTC IME once you get used to it its actually almost adequate.
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Exactly. It's even worse imagining an iPhone running on android. You would truly have the best of both worlds. But instead you have to settle for one or the other which both have their drawbacks... I'm interested to see what Apple decides to introduce this summer, especially if they decide to unlock multitasking to fight off android.
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But be patient because, although I've ranted about wanting Android to fix the vast amount of issues ASAP it looks like Android is more concerned with putting out froyo that's supposed to be the last major update before Android focuses on updates defragmenting its OS. So wait and see what froyo has to offer, im confident and excited about it and I'm as hard on Android and the nexus oneas anyone here.
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I've always been a fan of Google. With that being said, I'll be looking forward to their next update, but HTC better consider updating a few things... And the reason why I say HTC is because they seem to be Googles main advocate. Perhaps instead of releasing 20 devices a year they should step back and put some $ into R&D and make fewer, but more perfected devices. I hope things change after froyo, and that Google stops playing games in terms of their phones (getting HTC to make them).
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so pretty much android is great htc is cheap. I dont know what happened with the speaker this time because my g1 and mytouch were pretty damn loud, but the touch screen is really annoying. Hopefully they have a better touch screen on the evo4g clearpad 3000 please
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That's the conclusion I'm drawing to as well. I was initially surprised at the build quality of the N1, as it was an enormous step up from the G1, Magic and Dream, but it seems the internals (speakers, radio placement, etc) are still lacking as well as the touchscreen (in comparison to the iPhone). They should have included the clearpad 3000 to begin with, that's what's driving me crazy. Seems they cheaped out on us... to cut down on costs or whatever the excuse was, because didn't that tech surface last summer? I'm curious to see how the clearpad 3000 matches up to the 3 year old Apple touchscreen tech... Then again it's some moderately small company (Synaptics) vs. the monstrous Apple, so I'm not holding my breath. But will try to be optimistic about it. HTC should focus on building high end device because it seems they're just aiming for the mid end and hoping android will sell their devices... at least that's what it seems like to me.
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When threads like this come around, why do we post in them (I'm being hypocritical of of course), he thinks the iphone (and the Droid I guess) is more superior than this phone, and then everyone in the forum must take out little tidbits of his post and try to convine him otherwise or prove him wrong - which I believe is completely pointless.
Let the guy go on to the next phone, I mean who cares lol
None of these issues are pressent on my phone anyways, I don't use the speaker - I use headphones, my signal is great, my touch screen is great, really everything is simply great. Honestly to me the sole purpose of these threads are to try and make the members of forums mad or shaken up, because lots of people in the Android community get rather irritated when you compare these phones to the iphone. Though they are meant to compete with it - people seem to praise the device to a point that is inhumane.
Really Steve did a good job making little iMinions.
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I'm not trying to shake anyone up. If you enjoy your phone, all the power to you, honestly... And LOL at you calling me an Apple fanboi, I haven't used an iPhone in 6 months. The reason I'm comparing certain aspects of this phone to it is because they've done something right. I seriously hate Apple, Steve Jobs and his black turtlenecks... but if I want a touch phone that's reliable, I'd go with the iPhone, hands down. The only reason why I'm posting this is 'cause I'm so distraught at how this phone could have been IT, but it was another miss... And at this point in the game it's starting to get sad. I'm still laughing at you calling me an iMinion. I've owned 3 BBs, 3 HTCs, 2 iPhones and almost forgot the N97 all within the past year... and I hate all of them. Still waiting for THAT phone. If the iPhone had great RF and speakers, I'd love it. Same with regards to the Droid (even more so) but they are a few steps behind to make that happen.
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Anyway, this wasn't the discussion I was trying to spark, far from it. Was hoping for some possible ROM remedies to some of my issues more than anything (mostly being the max volume for everything on the damn phone that makes sound). RF I don't have a big problem with considering the area I'm in is fantastic, and the touchscreen I'll have to suck up and get used to. Perhaps try that swype KB?
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The iPhone is Michael Jordan
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If the iPhone is MJ then it'd be easy to say the Nexus One is Lebron James... but since Google doesnt advertise the N1 much then I'd say its more like Kevin Durant (current best player who doesnt get much attention)
I wasn't calling you an iMinion (though I could've been fooled), I was calling PEOPLE iMinions, because it has been irritating hearing so much of the 'revolutionary' iPhone. Please, I really don't need your phone history.
I guess the love of the phone has just gotten to my head, because I just don't see what the problem is with this phone, and how so many people don't seem to be satisfied. And then they all have to go online and complain as if this phone is simply horrible. Like it doesnt even stand a chance against the iGod, and should be shoved aside until Apple's new invention.
Maybe because I'm simply not having problems, I don't expect anyone else to be having any either. Though, that is an unreal expectation.
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Had a quick look at the iphone on the apple site the other day.. they reckon it's revolutionary.. I thought it looks nice (not as nice as the X10 mind!) but spec was fairly mediocre..
What do you reckon? What's iphone got that x10 doesn't?
video call, 4g, higher resolution (on a smaller screen tho..), multitouch
that's what i could think of from the top of my head
none of that bothers me accept the video call, that would have been nice to have, i wonder if there's a way to somehow use the x10's camera for video calls or for skype calls, as iphone can switch between front and back camera
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video call, 4g, higher resolution (on a smaller screen tho..), multitouch
that's what i could think of from the top of my head
none of that bothers me accept the video call, that would have been nice to have, i wonder if there's a way to somehow use the x10's camera for video calls or for skype calls, as iphone can switch between front and back camera
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iPhone doesn't have 4G. It's their fourth design revision but it still only operates on a 3G networks. Pentaband. UTMS bands 1, 2, 5, 6, 8.
It shouldn't be impossible to use the regular camera for video calls. I've seen it work on Fring.
can't really get 4G in the Uk so that's not much interest... higher res.. X10 res on a bigger screen is definitely better!.. videocall.. would be nice, but I had it on my last phone (Samsung Tocco/ F480!) and never used it once... multitouch.. nice for gaming.. none of it's revolutionary though really.. (apart from 4G which you can't get in the UK!)
I thought about using the back camera for video calls.. but what's the point of that?.. it'd be one way - I wouldn't be able to see them (unless I also carry a small compact mirror around with me.. and as I'm not a girl.. I dont!!!) ;-)
it does support 4g...
and i have fringe and video call doesn't work
about the video call, so what if you can't see them, you can at least show around
I really like the x10 disign
Video call only if you have friends with it and only if you use the same phone too.
I doubt you can use Evo 4g to iphone etc.
Video call is something i rather not have, i hate to have my friend know where i am at and what i am doing.
And if you have the camera and they don't, you don't know what they are doing with your face on the screen, can you imagine?
I thought iphone have 2 feature: solar power multi-touch screen and an antenna
Also Iphone have 6 different orientation instead of 2 from what i heard.
Iphone is cheaper then x10 but i still don't believe the res matter if we get 2.1 we are going to 32 bits i think too. instead of 16 bits channel.
ive had 150mins/month video calling on my network and phones for the past 3 years, how many times did i use it? once for 1 minute then the novelty wore off
The video call is over the wifi only......camera is only 5 mega pixel,overall a ****ty spec phone with a not so great os and a crazy marketing. Im sure we will see them sue other company for the front camera...wait i had one on my lg shine,lg chocolate 3 year ago....cant be ,
my conclusions from what i've read:
the icrap is definitely not 4g
the higher than the eye can distinguish resolution is pointless if the eye cant distinguish it
no one uses video calling but crApple will hype it that much that it'll be the next big thing.
the crapple screen is now looking small - size definitely IS important
the a4 processor is fast - roughly equiv to the X10 and now has multi-tasking
but if i wanted just 5mp camera i'd buy HTC
i don't get why you guys are saying that it's not 4g when steve jobs said it is in his presentation, he just need at&t to support it...or did i get something wrong?
don't get ME wrong, i hate the icrap and never want to use it (again), IMO x10 is 10x better even on 1.6...
and ps. what would be wrong with your friends knowing what you're doing? after all, a video call is optional you don't HAVE to show them your video
for eg. my dad works abroad and i'd like the opportunuty to talk to him AND send him live video if i'm in an interesting place, hiking or something...i think it would be nice
The only real thing that would draw me to the iPhone over the x10 is the support + consistent updates from Apple.
You can't take that away from Apple. I guess that's why they can afford to be behind when it comes to hardware specs.
from what i understand the 4g apple refer to is "iphone 4th generation" as opposed to nework specs
forgot to add before the crapple also has 802,11n - a definite plus on our X10
pretty sure the iphone 4 only has GSM, UTMS on all useful chanels and wifi b/g/n
if they wanted to use wifi for its 4G network i cant realy see it taking off.
on the other hand i know alot of people that are going to get a iphone now it will get 3g on 900mhz networks.
To hell with Apple and the iPhone, they just rip off other companies ideas and add some bling to it. Then they have the audacity to try to sue others claiming that they copied Apple... what a joke!
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To hell with Apple and the iPhone, they just rip off other companies ideas and add some bling to it. Then they have the audacity to try to sue others claiming that they copied Apple... what a joke!
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the real improvement would be multitask, which was a significant weakness of the previous versions. Without multitask, a phone couldnt be a real smart phone.
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Video Call sucks - why the hell would I want to look at someone's ear...?
With micro USB, i believe SE can add video call in the future by selling an extra unit put on top or you go buy a really small micro USB camera and let android app handle everything.
I don't like Iphone as much as you guys because i never find it even customizable. Unlike my x10, i can have whatever i want. (but i rather want Evo 4g for the codecs T.T)
Also canadians can't use 4G, I just want and 2.2 or 2.1 with flash capabilities on x10 now. And why you need wifi N? you going to bitorrent on your phone? I am sure G is enough.
Note: Iphone can NEVER use flash!!!! that is their weakest consider what 4g is for streaming video online and most streaming are done by flash these days.
I'd expect the screen to look gorgeous, but then again it's 3.5" compared to 4" on X10. I'd think the res on the X10 is great enough though.
The design is a bit too simplistic... which is what apple likes to do, but I prefer something with more styling; the X10 is beautifully designed. IPhone looks like an icecream sandwich.
Lack of flash support forever on iPhone is a big bummer. Also iTunes.
The video is not mine
Personally I'm ok with the results although i dissagree with his opinion on the looks of the Nexus One vs the blocky iPhone 4.
It's basically 15 minutes of talking with about 50 seconds of demo. Interesting that he has a rooted Nexus One but hasn't used it enough to be able to reliably hit the soft keys.
David Horn said:
It's basically 15 minutes of talking with about 50 seconds of demo. Interesting that he has a rooted Nexus One but hasn't used it enough to be able to reliably hit the soft keys.
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he said he is an iphone user and is just borrowing the nexus, but what makes you think its rooted?
hehe 7 months after the Nexus One and still the Nexus One keeps up!
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he said he is an iphone user and is just borrowing the nexus, but what makes you think its rooted?
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Superuser is in the menu.
He should have turned off the live wallpaper, froyo is so much quicker than the iphone lol it seems he made the home screen look as ugly as possible, who actually uses that clock..
All my mac loving friends complained when the nexus one came out that it only beats the iphone 3gs in speed because it was made later, now they are speechless
i like how he says the phone has big capasitivie button issues, mine are perfect? i hit them correctly and work every single time without fault?
and please, laggy pinch to zoom? How about turning off plugin's always on and switch to on demand so both web pages he compared didnt have flash, Pinch to zoom is smooth, not so much when u have 5 flash objects playing
Exactly how does navigation end in a draw? Does iPhone have turn by turn navigation?
I suppose he meant UI navigation, but nice that he skipped a key feature of Nexus One during the comparison process.
This weekend I had dinner with someone who had the iphone 4. She tried to show me the face talk feature. Of course, it didn't work because there was no wi fi. I offered to let her tether off my lowly N1 to demo it.
She was not amused.
In this video, we compare a 7 month old phone to one just released.
I didn't watch the video. I don't care. All i know is my phone doesn't lose reception when i hold it and i have a real homescreen.
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In this video, we compare a 7 month old phone to one just released.
I didn't watch the video. I don't care. All i know is my phone doesn't lose reception when i hold it and i have a real homescreen.
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When the Nexus one was released im pretty sure they compared it to the Iphone 3gs which at the time was about 7 months old.
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When the Nexus one was released im pretty sure they compared it to the Iphone 3gs which at the time was about 7 months old.
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yes but the Nexus One RAPED the 3GS, imo the iPhone 4 don't RAPE the Nexus One
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i like how he says the phone has big capasitivie button issues, mine are perfect? i hit them correctly and work every single time without fault?
and please, laggy pinch to zoom? How about turning off plugin's always on and switch to on demand so both web pages he compared didnt have flash, Pinch to zoom is smooth, not so much when u have 5 flash objects playing
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The multitouch buttons on my Nexus One (and I'm pretty sure all of them judging by what I've read) are finicky. There seems to be an exact spot you need to hit but it's much higher than you would think. It also causes the problem of accidentally triggering a button when you're doing something like typing on the keyboard. Really poor design choice in my opinion. You may hit yours correctly every single time, but there are tons of people who don't and using physical buttons would have made it register the press 100% correctly every single time.
I did leave a post on youtube mentioning that the sluggish zooming is due to having flash plugins on the page. I do think that would be worth mentioning in a comparison like this, but the other side of the argument is you need to make a product just work. If there are cases where the phone performs crappy then most users aren't going to care why it's happening.
I am impressed that even with flush plugins enabled the nexus one still loaded pages slightly faster than the iPhone4. Would be interesting to see the same thing without flash enabled on the Nexus One.
Jon4lakers is an idiot.
You just have to realize the audience (didn't watch the video) - when iphone users compare and contrast they don't, and won't be messing around with settings and features and tweaks and whatnot. This is not how iphone users operate, so they are going to compare how the phone works and feels out of the box. What's a boon to us may be a difficulty for them. Don't get me wrong here, as I'm not equating them to idiots who don't know a good thing and can't even operate a settings menu - I think many of them just want a simplified experience in ernest. Some of them take the defense of it a little too far (for example, if it lacks it, it doesn't need it mentality).
The capacitive buttons on the N1 suck and that's just the truth, just as there are issues with damn near every apple hardware in batches or runs that they will just deny and quietly admit to when the cycle is long over.
He didnt even mentioned the notification system, witch android kicks the **** out of the IOS. Aside the front facing camera, I think there's not 1 single real point that the iPhone 4 really beats the N1, and ya we are talking of a brand new phone againts a 7 months older phone hehe.
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after playing with my friend's iphone over the weekend, i can say that the screen resolution and the cameras are a lot better than the nexus one. notifications wise, all android phones will rape the iphone in that aspect.
in terms of using the phone, i found that the iphone 4 is just that much smoother when browsing through menus and screen and using apps.
but i have to say i'm still on 2.1 since there are no OTA updates for the epe54b users.
i just might get the iphone but that would of course depends on how well 2.2 works out for me.
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Superuser is in the menu.
He should have turned off the live wallpaper, froyo is so much quicker than the iphone lol it seems he made the home screen look as ugly as possible, who actually uses that clock..
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I use the android clock and it looks cool on mine
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i like how he says the phone has big capasitivie button issues, mine are perfect? i hit them correctly and work every single time without fault?
and please, laggy pinch to zoom? How about turning off plugin's always on and switch to on demand so both web pages he compared didnt have flash, Pinch to zoom is smooth, not so much when u have 5 flash objects playing
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This was exactly also how i thought. turn the flash off and see the zoom then you will see differents. this was the reason why i removed the flash, atleast till it works a little better.
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after playing with my friend's iphone over the weekend, i can say that the screen resolution and the cameras are a lot better than the nexus one. notifications wise, all android phones will rape the iphone in that aspect.
in terms of using the phone, i found that the iphone 4 is just that much smoother when browsing through menus and screen and using apps.
but i have to say i'm still on 2.1 since there are no OTA updates for the epe54b users.
i just might get the iphone but that would of course depends on how well 2.2 works out for me.
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there is a huge difference between 2.1 and 2.2 you will use it and love it
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yes but the Nexus One RAPED the 3GS, imo the iPhone 4 don't RAPE the Nexus One
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Very true. Give the iphone 4 a few more months and it will be behind every other phone the only thing it leads in now is the screen resolution.
I think since he was an 'iphone user' he was biased in a few rounds. Maybe I'm biased, but I think the Nexus was the clear winner.
I realize that to some, the front facing camera is a feature. To me it is a waste and if any phone I own had one, it would be covered with tape. I don't ever want a front facing camera.
To me, a front camera is actually a negative.
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yes but the Nexus One RAPED the 3GS, imo the iPhone 4 don't RAPE the Nexus One
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Who knows
Maybe Steve Jobs will release a $29 rubber band that not only dries glue real fast, change your skin's conductivity, plays flash and unlock your phone
i'm from Hong Kong..... and guess how much iPhone 4 is selling here
"early-bird" price (imported from US/UK as iPhone 4 is not yet available here) : $2400
You were like, huh????
YES, US DOLLARS DUDE
TWO THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED US DOLLAR
and everyone have to "just avoid holding it in that way"
how happy am i with my US529 Nexus One
It seemed like a pretty fair review coming from an iPhone user. You guys should be thankful to Apple. I would never own an Apple product(prefer linux), but would we even have Windows Phone 7 coming if the whole iEra didn't exist? Or would we still be stuck on 5.0 and beta Androids?
I like a lot of things I'm hearing about the Atrix, i'm just concerned about the low data speeds, and wonder if the iphone 4 might just have it beaten (for now).
Seems like many of you out here have good experience on both. You guys can help me (a lot) by rating which phone is better in my areas of biggest importance. And i know i am going to get iphone haters but I'm not sure i understand specifically WHY. The phone really is a great device, so please be fair to it here, but do feel free to also tell me why you think i won't like it.
1. GPS
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease
3. Stability/Speed
4. Call Quality/Least dropped calls
5. Speaker Quality/Volume
Feel free to touch on any deciding factors you might feel i did not have listed...and thanks
Your going to get some very biased answers asking this on the atrix forums, let alone xda!
Sent from my DAMN Galaxy 4G¡!
1. GPS
Pretty damn good; I used it while walking down the street to the coffee shop and got a fast lock and accurate reads.
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease
Very, very fast, although not that much faster than current generation top tier phones.
3. Stability/Speed
Amazing; the phone in its entirity feels fast and snappy. It never sslows down, even when a lot of applications are running.
4. Call Quality/Least dropped calls
I'm part of the group that never gets dropped calls or a bad signal wherever I am. Nothing but positive experiences with me.
5. Speaker Quality/Volume
Very good. Calls canned through clear. However, there is a widespread issue with the notice cancelling feature. If you have it set too high, people can't hear you.
I ended up taking mine back though. The fact that on the same wifi network, it only beat my Nexus 1 aand Captivate by asecond or so; and the quality of the screen isn't that great, even though it has a higher pixel density.
Honestly i had this same debate before i bought my atrix, after having my jailbroken iTouch(which isn't much of a difference from an iphone) and my htc aria, i've noticed how locked down the iphone is, and i love customizing my phones/devices, and android seemed like it had so much more to offer, i can't lie, i like the design of the iphone 4 and almost bought it, but the atrix is waaay more powerful and has a very bright future ahead of it rather than the iphone 4 which is about to be sorta outdated in a few months when the iphone 5 comes out(which really isn't gonna have much of a difference from the iphone 4.
This is my first motorola phone with motoblur, and a lot of people don't like motoblur but actually it's not bad at all, i blame the bad rep on the motorola backflip
ok now to answer your questions:
Motorola Atrix
1: the GPS works great, no complaints
2: the internet is blazing fast and very smooth
3: 1ghz dual core processor, pretty self explanitory lol, but i haven't experienced any lag at all
4: I haven't had any dropped calls, and the speaker is very clear and loud
5: speaker is clear and loud enough to hear from another room
and no i'm not giving a biased opinion, i like both phones, but the Atrix seems more stable and dependable which is important when on the go
I will play devil's advocate for you. My buddy's Iphone 4 is "faster" in a speedtest.net race. I have NEVER seen him upload anything through his iphone. So saying that the iphone is faster is almost a mute point, but it does upload faster. Our download speeds are the same, his Iphone, my captivate, and sadly my Atrix all hit the same download speeds.
The ONE thing that makes me android green with envy, his stupid "unreal" games. I mean its freaking gorgeous to look at, I dont even know the name of the game but its badass. I know that we are going to get some sweet game via nvidia tegra zone, but so far they all look cartoony to me. I am sure we will eventually overtake the iphone in terms of games.
Ok so back to why my phone is better... I can use my phone as a nintendo, supernintendo, playstation 1, or nintendo 64 AND connect it to the big screen AND play the games from my wii remote...
And we have webtop so neiner neiner.
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I strongly disagree with the previous post. The Atrix screen is GREAT. Motorola did not include any hi res movies either becasue they were rushing it out the door or just not fully developed the apps. But I have seen hi res videos on the Atrix and the screen is excellent. The Atrix beats the IPhone hands done in every category. Droid phones can be optimized and customized and the result is a phone that does exactly what you want, better than any other phone out there. Trust me, get the Atrix...spend time here looking at the apps and homescreens and spend time on it....it's worth it!
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1. GPS
2. Internet Browsing speed/ease
3. Stability/Speed
4. Call Quality/Least dropped calls
5. Speaker Quality/Volume
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WINNERS:
1. Atrix - by a lot
2. iPhone 4, by a small margin
3. Speed goes to Atrix, stability goes to Atrix if you are familiar with Android
4. Atrix, hands down. very loud speaker, very clear voice. Far fewer dropped calls.
5. ATRIX - loudest speaker I've ever had.
I just came from the iPhone 4 to the atrix, so I figure I can speak better then most.
I really like both of these phones, and figure that either way you go will be a win for you. So that's the good news.
Some quick comparison thoughts:
The screens on the same are very very comparable. They both have a notably high pixel density, and look super sharp and clear. The colors on the iPhone are perhaps a tiny bit better, but maybe that's just a trick of the mind. Regardless, they are very comparable.
Both phones are fast, very fast. Generally, I would say that the Atrix is a bit more responsive then the iPhone. But this is not true when it comes to changing orientation. I've noticed that the Atrix can stutter for a second, where the iPhone was instant. Could be my launcher.
GPS is excellent on both. But the Atrix comes with Google Navigation built in, which basically gives you a full blown GPS on your phone. iPhone requires an expensive app, or more of a maps view then a nav view.
Stability wise, I'm torn. The Atrix does... weird things sometimes. I can't exactly explain it. I had to do a battery pull to get it to work yesterday... brought me back a few years to my blackberry days. Not that it's a terrible thing, but it is a little different. I don't think I was forced to reboot the iPhone once due to issues. It is very very stable.
Build quality goes to the iPhone 4 hands down. The Atrix has little annoying things like the fact that the back on it creaks on some phones (mine is one). Not a big deal by any stretch. But I do miss the awesome build quality of my iPhone 4. Again, Atrix is awesome, but just can't compare to the best in class iPhone.
I love the notification LED on the Atrix. That was probably the thing I missed most on my iPhone.
Call quality and clarity is better on the Atrix. The earpiece is crystal clear, which I can't say for the iPhone. My friends say I sound better on the Atrix too.
To me what it comes down for overall is the software though. I am by no means an expert developer or crazy programmer, but I am very good with most technology. I love controlling my experience, and being able to mess with it. The iPhone is... for lack of a better word, very boring. It is kind of all the same stuff, and once you have it for a week, nothing ever really changes on it. You have the same home screen and everything else. It is what it is.
The possibilities on Atrix are endless. Even without an unlocked bootloader, there is a ridiculous amount of stuff you can do with this phone. Depending on your mood on a given week, you can completely customize things to fit your demands. What widgets and setup you use one day you can completely change the next. I like that freedom a lot.
And call me stupid... but I love my live wallpapers. They are so cool to me.
Overall, the move to Atrix was an awesome decision for me.
I just switched from an iPhone 4 yesterday to the Atrix and the bottom line is that I am incredibly happy with the switch.
A lot of people covered the basics: The GPS is great and built in Nav is nice. Call quality is very crisp, the phone is fast and web browsing is just as smooth as the iPhone. I have had no difficulty adjusting and actually, a lot of things, such as notifications, are designed much more logically.
My reason for a switch was that I was very bored with iOS, going through 3 generations of the phone. The OS is sort of stagnant.
There are a few hiccups on the Atrix - I don't love the texting app and the way it handles embedded images. I also think that the battery indicator is a little strange - still figuring it out.
Aside from, the customization options (even without bootloader access) are incredibly diverse. I love the screen (don't understand all the hate, honestly) and I similarly have had no problems with motoblur yet. Some of the moto widgets are bad, but I just delete them.
One more key factor - I LOVE BEING ITUNES FREE. It is SO nice to just drag and drop files to my phone and have them show up appropriately. It's a world of difference.
If you have any specific questions for a recent iPhone 4 switcher, feel free to PM me.
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As an owner of both phones, I can say both phones are great. As much as I hate Apple as a company, it has saddened me the past year to say build quality wise, nothing really compares to the iPhone4...it's like a nice expensive watch, glass on both sides and metal on the sides. The Atrix's plasticy build with small creaks here and there(all phones with some plastic removable battery cover will always creak). Both phones are pretty snappy but iOS has always been more smooth and fluid when it comes to UI transitions. My i4 is jailbroken and tweaked to hell, but I don't theme it with Winterboard as I see some lag with it. Apple must use a better digitizer and have some better touch algorithm implemented, because no other touch device is on par with them. The Atrix screen comes close, but you still can feel the difference on touch response. You can also tell the IPS screen on the iPhone4 is still sharper and produces colors more accurately, but then again, it is an IPS screen. While I've always loved how the Android browser loads the pages quickly with no transparancy checkerboard, browsing on the iPhone4 is just smoother, but that could be a by-product of the better screen. Sometimes people say I sound muffled on the Atrix, but it may depend on how I hold the phone.
I wanted to see the hype about Tegra2 so I download Samurai2 for Tegra2. It looks stunning on the Atrix, however, it looks just as good on the iPhone4 too. So that was kind of a letdown to see that Tegra2 was matched by Apple's 9month old SOC. I also have a NexusOne(currently running on Modaco's GB) and love how I can install ROMs and Nandroid to backup my device to try other other ROMs, but with this bootloader lockdown and the possibility that there is a Nvidia efuse in Tegra2, it makes buying Moto almost as bad as buying Apple. While xda is a great community with some very very intelligent people, the jailbreak scene on iOS has worked wonders because they only focus on one OS version for basically one device(Pod/Pad/Phone/TV).
Basically, you shouldn't even consider the iPhone4, when the 5 is coming. Spec wise, if it's using the dual core A5 chip that they just announced on the iPad2, then it will probably be one of the fastest and most powerful phones available. The only thing is, you have to deal with the Apple tax of iTunes and a locked down system until it's jailbroken. The Atrix is a great phone and if you had to buy a phone tomorrow, it should be the one to get...but July isn't that far away.
If you can wait....
I have been thinking about both. It might make sense to wait a month until iPhone 5 details come out. It is supposed to have a HW upgrade and there are some pretty interesting rummours out there (NFC, etc).
Do not buy the iPhone 4 right now as 5 is coming out in a few months...
That being said, the Atrix has VERY fast web browsing. From what I remember of using the iPhone 4 for a month, whenever you try to scroll quickly or zoom out quickly, you get a slight gray loading area. This also happened on the Captivate and n1, but on the Atrix, that never happens on heavy content sites like Engadget.
If you really dont care about the differences between iOs and Android, and LOVE gaming and the best battery life of any smartphone, get the iPhone. But if you want "freedom" and hands down the best integrated google service, get the Atrix.
I think both devices are extremely good. If you want to live in the iTunes ecosystem, then the iPhone is the way to go. However, I have not a single dropped call with my Atrix in St. Louis, and my cousin's iPhone 4 drops calls constantly. It's not the network, it's the phone.
The iPhone has a better app store ecosystem in that the quality of apps are often better and there are a ton of high-quality iOS games from big developers, not quite up there for Android yet.
The iPhone also has a very good camera and camcorder. Better media support (as in netflix, hulu +, AirVideo streaming, etc).
The Atrix is a great all-around device too. I think the camera and camcorder are pretty good, and the screen is wonderful. I just can't use a 3.5" screen on the iPhone anymore. And the iPhone notification system is just terrible.
Google Maps, Voice and Gmail are extremely good on the Atrix and they are all lacking on the iPhone. I also think the battery life on the Atrix is incredible. I'm getting better battery life than I had on any other phone ever.
I had to make this decision and I chose the Atrix.
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Basically, you shouldn't even consider the iPhone4, when the 5 is coming. Spec wise, if it's using the dual core A5 chip that they just announced on the iPad2, then it will probably be one of the fastest and most powerful phones available. July isn't that far away.
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Agreed, At least on a personal level. used my upgrade for the Atrix, returned it for the iPhone 4 a few days later. Today ill be going back, returning the iPhone and getting the Atrix at full price ($499). That way ill get my full upgrade back for July when I see how the next iPhone looks (if its not a 4" screen I doubt i'll waist my time, but we will see). I'm considering just staying with the Atrix and maybe supplimenting my lack of iOS games with the iPad 2, but we will see.
iPhone screen seems awfully small after using an atrix
I went from an iPhone 4 to an Atrix, and i don't miss the iPhone at all, really. Will the iPhone 5 be better? Possibly. Will i care? Not really. The main turn-off for me in regards to any Apple product is their OCD towards iTunes. I want my phone to be a phone..... just as much as i want a 16GB storage media to be a 16GB storage media. I don't want to have to either constantly sync it to iTunes, or rely on some 3rd party work-around to be able to access the data stored on my phone without using Apple's sh*tty software.
If it wasn't for iTunes, lack of complete customization, and basically being just another sheep in the herd carrying one around.... i wouldn't mind another iPhone. But until that time comes (which it never will), buh bye iPhone.
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I went from an iPhone 4 to an Atrix, and i don't miss the iPhone at all, really. Will the iPhone 5 be better? Possibly. Will i care? Not really. The main turn-off for me in regards to any Apple product is their OCD towards iTunes. I want my phone to be a phone..... just as much as i want a 16GB storage media to be a 16GB storage media. I don't want to have to either constantly sync it to iTunes, or rely on some 3rd party work-around to be able to access the data stored on my phone without using Apple's sh*tty software.
If it wasn't for iTunes, lack of complete customization, and basically being just another sheep in the herd carrying one around.... i wouldn't mind another iPhone. But until that time comes (which it never will), buh bye iPhone.
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Definitly agree
Well, the choice also depends on whether you prefer stable and simple os or a more complex but not as cleaned up os. As for now, I agree with the other posters to wait for the iphone 5, then compare. Right now I have the atrix, and already the iphone 4 camera and screen are both better. The atrix may be powerful, but nothing is capable of fully utilizing it, not to mention that the iphone 5 will be just as, if not more, powerful. The atrix may be good in a few months, but for fast updates, reliable stability, and damn nice designing, wait for the iphone 5.
Oh and android doesn't have monopoly (I mean the board game)
Thank you everyone
Thanks to all that contributed...some very good points made all around.
Basically here's how i have broken down the comparison with all other things being practically equal:
Iphone has slightly better screen, excellent build (best of any phone possibly), and better cams, but proprietary OS etc make it hard(er) to customize.
Atrix has more customization/freedom, led notifications, possibly better call quality, and the potential to be a great phone once it's cracked.
I can't hold off for i5, although i'm sure i can give it a look when it's here. For the meantime i think i am going to go with the Atrix. It's a shame Apple turns off so many with having to use itunes bc i think that is where it's biggest argument against seems to be from and i am sure if i owned it i would not like that either
after 4 years of using an iPhone, once I tried out Android, I stayed. User-customizability is what won me over (among other things such as notifications, google apps, swype, google nav, google voice, etc).
My timeline of smartphones as follows:
iPhone 2G, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, Evo, Captivate, Nexus One, Atrix