This is a bit of an odd question, but please bare with me here.
I'm writing my thesis for the uni about C#... with the recent release of VS2010, I thought it'd be great to focus on this IDE and the new features it offers and put those in the thesis as well. I ALSO had an idea to show that one can write apps for mobile devices using C# (duh, but all's fair in the academic world ); I own a HD2, so being able to whip out the phone and show the app working would be a great way to blow some academic minds (well, not really, but I think it'd be nice).
However... VS2010 doesn't support WMo 6.X, which is a serious bummer. There are some rumours that an SDK will be released, but if and when that will happen remains a mystery.
So this leaves me WMo7, which has already been ported to HD2. However, it seems it's not public just yet. And besides not being public, WMo7 will supposedly only allow apps to be installed through MS store... so I have no idea if it'll be possible for me to write an app for that OS and actually use it (it won't be commercial in any way and 100% useless for 99% of people, as it only serves as a live example for my thesis).
To summarize:
- Is is possible for a "basement-programmer" like myself to use WMo7 to show off my own apps without the use of the MS store?
- If so, where could I get my hands on WMo7 for HD2?
- If WMo7 is not available to us mortals, could someone tell me roughly when a public release will be available?
- Or perhaps the whole idea is pointless and I should just develop my app in VS2080 and show it off with the HD2 that I currently own? (It's will be a simple app that connects to some database online without being limited to MSSQL and does something with it, where "something" is yet unspecified)
Shaamaan said:
To summarize:
- Is is possible for a "basement-programmer" like myself to use WMo7 to show off my own apps without the use of the MS store?
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developers should be able too install apps without going into the store like it is on wm6.5 atm.
Shaamaan said:
- If so, where could I get my hands on WMo7 for HD2?
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its not available.
Shaamaan said:
- If WMo7 is not available to us mortals, could someone tell me roughly when a public release will be available?
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assume currently it wont be available for the HD2, if it is then it wont be available until a few months after the release of wp7
Shaamaan said:
- Or perhaps the whole idea is pointless and I should just develop my app in VS2010 and show it off with the HD2 that I currently own? (It's will be a simple app that connects to some database online without being limited to MSSQL and does something with it, where "something" is yet unspecified)
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maybe
Xp3RiM3nT said:
assume currently it wont be available for the HD2, if it is then it wont be available until a few months after the release of wp7
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Despite the fact that WMo7 has already been ported?
maybe
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I actually meant using VS2008 BTW, typo...
Shaamaan said:
Despite the fact that WMo7 has already been ported?
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AKAIK it hasnt, there is a rom available but it doesnt run on any current device since its a beta rom for an unreleased device.
there is a chance they may get it working on the HD2 or some other phone but its not available currently.
Xp3RiM3nT said:
AKAIK it hasnt, there is a rom available but it doesnt run on any current device since its a beta rom for an unreleased device.
there is a chance they may get it working on the HD2 or some other phone but its not available currently.
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So... the whole thing about W7 having been ported to HD2 was just a rumour?
I am not sure where you heard that winmo had been ported too hd2? is a link available.
I have just checked Da_G's twitter account and he is still working on the port, he has developed several new tools too help him but is struggling to get some stuff to do with the JTAG controller.
there is a hd2 application which attempts to reimplement some of the functions you can see in the wp7 promo videos but this is not a port it is just an application that looks like wp7.
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So... the whole thing about W7 having been ported to HD2 was just a rumour?
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write your app under 2008 and for 6.5, there hasn't been any word from the source of that rumour for months. C# code is very portable between 2008 and 2010, so don't worry about that. With a little work (can be on the order of hours) you can upgrade your code to 2010 and 7.0 if it ever arrives for HD2.
uuum.. u can show windows phone 7 with a emulator on a pc.. and i think ms released the windows phone 7 tools to programm apps for it alerady..
http://developer.windowsphone.com/Default.aspx
dont know if its possible to just run the app without the market.. i hope it is, but really dont know >.<
and its impossible to port wp7 to the HD2 right now. yes, it already happened, but that version is very laggy and buggy, so its useless when u want to show it
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Well people. We've released AP4.0 and everyone is trying it out.
What we want to try next is Android.
Keep your eyes open. We're going to start putting things together for this project soon.
good job seeing my post 15015 years ago people!
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ltxda just likes to steal my thunder =p
ltxda said:
Well people. We've released AP4.0 and everyone is trying it out.
What we want to try next is Android.
Keep your eyes open. We're going to start putting things together for this project soon.
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What about the vanilla AP4 that does not require repartitioning?
eaglesteve said:
What about the vanilla AP4 that does not require repartitioning?
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OFF TOPIC ALERT....OFF TOPIC ALERT!!!!
It should not require the new SPL. Final determination will be posted upon release of course.
boinger66 said:
good job seeing my post 15015 years ago people!
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ltxda just likes to steal my thunder =p
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LOL!
Hey I don't even think I ready your post...but glad you're part of the team, so don't complain!
Anyhow, we have some resources and not just an idea.
How do u think do this?
Will i need to flash my device new?
When it is so, for me -1
When i can have AP4 and Android TOGETER on one device +1
crazy cat said:
How do u think do this?
Will i need to flash my device new?
When it is so, for me -1
When i can have AP4 and Android TOGETER on one device +1
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Should be able to run both on your device but not at the same time.
Multi-boot or liveCD ISO concept desired
Guys,
It would be great to have both PK 4.0 and Andriod working at the same time in either a multi-boot scenario, or in a vm / overlay based solution. If we could launch the Andriod solution from miniSD or ext rom, that would be awesome. Especially for the 1.0 versions. Later 2.0 or stronger could completely replace a PK based ROM, if we had all of the tools and applications ported over to support andriod as a daily user / solution.
I know that these thoughts may seem a bit different that what was mentioned in the past, but I think that they would allow for better acceptance and utility until the Andriod solution picks up more steam and acceptance amonst the community...
There are also some WM based applications that I wouldn't want to loose or to have to port over at this time.
Hope this helps,
Bob
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Well people. We've released AP4.0 and everyone is trying it out.
What we want to try next is Android.
Keep your eyes open. We're going to start putting things together for this project soon.
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Go A-Team! haha
I had to go and find out just what android was but now I know, I think it is excellent and has oodles of potential
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Should be able to run both on your device but not at the same time.
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This sounds good!
When you can create a "Bootloader - screen" where i can select, wat OS i want use i vote +1!
There atleast is a definate potential for a bootloader piece like the pc has of lilo or grub for the ppc it will all be determined based on what we can create and develop
Hi
I mentioned once before that android could be cool
It would be great
Perfect idea! I you need testers let me know! Two OS versions on a machine AP4 and Android, whats next?
QAN said:
Perfect idea! I you need testers let me know! Two OS versions on a machine AP4 and Android, whats next?
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iphone port
Great idea
What is this? The enterprise.... Go where no man has gone before I I captain ltxda
linux would be a good idea also
scopy60 said:
linux would be a good idea also
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Qtopia is beginning to appear on one or two devices, main problem it appears is secrecy from HTC on some of their hardware from what I understand. But htc are supposed to be involved in android, so it should be a bit easier..
scopy60 said:
linux would be a good idea also
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android is based on linux i believe
bob_beringer said:
Guys,
It would be great to have both PK 4.0 and Andriod working at the same time in either a multi-boot scenario, or in a vm / overlay based solution. If we could launch the Andriod solution from miniSD or ext rom, that would be awesome. Especially for the 1.0 versions. Later 2.0 or stronger could completely replace a PK based ROM, if we had all of the tools and applications ported over to support andriod as a daily user / solution.
I know that these thoughts may seem a bit different that what was mentioned in the past, but I think that they would allow for better acceptance and utility until the Andriod solution picks up more steam and acceptance amonst the community...
There are also some WM based applications that I wouldn't want to loose or to have to port over at this time.
Hope this helps,
Bob
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It will be released so WM is preserved and you will be able to boot to Android then go back to WM. Not sure of all the specifics yet as those will be worked out. Great minds think alike.
Is it possible to set-up proxy for wifi? at school we are using proxy to use the internet. i'm not a iphone fan but its really easy on the iphone and would like to know if it was possible with hero/android
if this is not possible will it come later to android?
Check this out:
http://code.google.com/p/proxysetting/
It appears to be an app that will do it for you. It might be on the market too, I haven't checked. Just did a quick google search and it was the first thing that came up.
Why isnt it build in? Will it be build in with later releases of android?
I will look at the link maybe i will find something great
That should do the trick, that is exactly what I'm searching for!!
I'll test it at work tomorrow and let you know if it worked, I allready set the proxy, really simple prog to work with. I REALLY hope it works.
Hmm, the programme doesnt do anything. Still cant connect to the internet. Anybody got other suggestions..?
Trenchor said:
Hmm, the programme doesnt do anything. Still cant connect to the internet. Anybody got other suggestions..?
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Your phone may need to be rooted for this to work... that's just a shot in the dark. As soon as I get my Hero (yeah, I'm trolling the forums before Telus even has them in stock) that's the first thing I'm gonna do, but some people are more cautious, so it's up to you if you wanna bother rooting your phone on the off chance that it'll get the app I linked to work.
EDIT: My bad, if you check the "issues" page on the site, you'll see that it hasn't been updated to work on cupcake. :/
will there be proxy settings in donut?
commodoor said:
will there be proxy settings in donut?
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It's hard to say. I found this "complete" list of donut features:
http://www.betanews.com/article/Android-Donut-SDK-released-Whats-new-inside/1253057624
I wouldn't be surprised if the inclusion of full VPN support also brought proxy settings with it, but it's hard to say.
Thnx for the article, its great.
Is the new version (donut) already released? Or when will that be?
Oh yeah, how will Hero users be able to work with the new version of android?
Because we got htc 'sense' above android, so I guess HTC also has to release a new version of the 'sense'??
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Is the new version (donut) already released? Or when will that be?
Oh yeah, how will Hero users be able to work with the new version of android?
Because we got htc 'sense' above android, so I guess HTC also has to release a new version of the 'sense'??
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Yes, donut was released on September 15th, but there are no phones that come with 1.6 on them. The CLIQ is supposed to be the first one, I think. Cupcake applications are expected to run on Donut, so I see no reason why a Hero update (both official and non-official) wouldn't be too far down the road.
I don't have a Hero yet, but I've been running Android on my Vogue for over a year now, and last week I actually ran a Donut build. It's very nice, although the vogue build is missing a lot of apps, like GMail, and contacts don't sync, so it's not really feasible for us to use until more development is done on it.
donut wasn't released but the SDK. with SDK can developers edit(if its needed) their programs to make it work in donut or just test it before the donut comes out. htc will make there sensui work in donut because it would be there shell for android and wanna us it with new htc android phones. but if it comes to hero i don't know i hope so or i will feel like i left behind.
sensui is nice but i think it slows down the phone but thats what i think. i would prefer the speed above sensui.
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donut wasn't released but the SDK. with SDK can developers edit(if its needed) their programs to make it work in donut or just test it before the donut comes out. htc will make there sensui work in donut because it would be there shell for android and wanna us it with new htc android phones. but if it comes to hero i don't know i hope so or i will feel like i left behind.
sensui is nice but i think it slows down the phone but thats what i think. i would prefer the speed above sensui.
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Yes and no... the SDK is what was officially released on the 15th yes, but google has been adding donut into the android source tree for a while now. The SDK includes a donut system image to run in the emulator, and which can also run on phones (as this is what I've run on my vogue) but of course is missing several google apps. The market and youtube are included though. The source for donut is all in the git tree along with cupcake and... 1.0, whatever its codename is. It's just up to phone manufacturers to take the source and build specific images for their devices at this point, although I'm sure google still has updates to add to it as well.
There was some links here, but of course - not for HD2. Still waiting then...
UPDATE.
Do not download and flash with downloaded files, unless you want your HD2 bricked!
R U Serious
Is my dream coming true!!!!!!!
I've got no permissions to see what is this webpage containning...
No, this has been around for months and is not a hd2 windows phone 7 rom.
twisted89 said:
No, this has been around for months and is not a hd2 windows phone 7 rom.
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I don't know if you've noticed, but this xda.cn thread is from today.
I am confused
is there a wp7 for HD2 or not? the linke is too chinese for me
There is some download link, but even though i have an account on xda.cn - i can't download because of some credis i suppose (google translator ftw.).
sthEn, can you paste some info from the thread here? After translating it off course.
"3 files I've downloaded, to be sure the file is uploaded to the excellent eggs today"
There should be some mirrors soon thanks to one of the xda.cn people
Basically, nobody've tested it yet - too soon i guess.
Google translation from the above site:
HTC HD2 takes all three large-scale system to run successfully WP7
Windows Mobilephone the king of the group, has once again implemented a perfect trial run of WP7,HTC HD2 (parameters), the system has successfully transplanted Android 2.2 onto HD2, and now once again is trying to run WP7 for real, HD2 an emperor once again, becomes a focus of attention.
HTC HD2 performance of mobile phone configuration is in full compliance with the requirements of WP7, the screen has a 4.3 inch capacitive touch screen, built-in 1GHz processor and 500 million pixel camera. From the already listed HTC HD7 (parameters)of view, HD2 processor and the same type HD7, HD2's only drawback is its key design which does not meet the physical requirements of WP7, but it will not stop it from running WP7. Time is drawing near, let us work together to cheer!
Damn....I guess I wont get to sleep...This is freaking crazy....
I'm downloading those files right now Servers are sooooo slow.
Im skeptical but still got my fingers crossed
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Im skeptical but still got my fingers crossed
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Exactly, me too.
I am so glad I didn't sell my HD2. This is really exciting.
I'll upload to my own ftp as soon as possible, so somebody could tell me what the heck is this
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I don't know if you've noticed, but this xda.cn thread is from today.
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And? that does not mean the files attached to the thread have not been around for months does it?
I don't know, maybe. I'm new to HD2, and of course WP7.
lol cheat >>>>
sthEn said:
I don't know, maybe. I'm new to HD2, and of course WP7.
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Did you manage to find any mirrors?
What do you guys think? It mentions that windows live services wont work.
http://www.iwindroid.com/windows-mobile/windows-phone-7-for-htc-hd2-to-be-released-soon/
Very cool, I had thought I was about to tell you to hush and we already knew about it...but this is genuine news! AWESOME! I for one would LOVE to be able to run WP7, would make me extremely happy.
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What do you guys think? It mentions that windows live services wont work.
http://www.iwindroid.com/windows-mobile/windows-phone-7-for-htc-hd2-to-be-released-soon/
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From what I heard (read) from different sites, the WGA will keep a lot of things from working like it's supposed to.
I guess this is a question for the mods:
Based on the policies of the site, if they do port over WP7 to the HD2, would it be considered a warez because of the WGA?
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From what I heard (read) from different sites, the WGA will keep a lot of things from working like it's supposed to.
I guess this is a question for the mods:
Based on the policies of the site, if they do port over WP7 to the HD2, would it be considered a warez because of the WGA?
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I really hope things don't get ugly over something like this...
No, WP7 technically isn't a ware as the source is available, the whole WGA thing is so that unauthorized devices, IE cheap China clones and the like can't utilize Windows Live services. I am more than sure that there will be a way around the PVK/WGA system, and at least in some way Live Services will be able to function.
That's awesome!
Soo yeah, It was on the main page recently that a build of windows phone 7 would soon be released for HD2. I know I'm begging for a good flaming for this but is there anywhere I can find an update on the status of this project? I know its a locked down OS and blah blah blah but I use the HD2 as my business phone and would like it to have a more business appeal to it. Does amnyone have an idea on the status of this project?
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Soo yeah, It was on the main page recently that a build of windows phone 7 would soon be released for HD2. I know I'm begging for a good flaming for this but is there anywhere I can find an update on the status of this project? I know its a locked down OS and blah blah blah but I use the HD2 as my business phone and would like it to have a more business appeal to it. Does amnyone have an idea on the status of this project?
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dude buy HD7 ... not much diffrent from HD2
sathara said:
dude buy HD7 ... not much diffrent from HD2
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Why would he spend money to buy a new HD7 when he could just wait for HD2 to potentially have WP7?
i think there will never come a WP7 ROM for HD2
romskii said:
i think there will never come a WP7 ROM for HD2
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WM7 will come , but like chefs told its just a demo. i dont think its will for a daily use. Android is enough .
i just don't get it. can't the device handle the os?
I think it comes down to if the team is willing to crack the OS so everything works. Last I heard, the thing thats holding back release and making the OS usable would be Windows Genuine Phone. It prevents non-genuine versions of windows phone to work properly. Without live tiles and access to apps, the usefulness of windows phones is non-existent.
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I think it comes down to if the team is willing to crack the OS so everything works. Last I heard, the thing thats holding back release and making the OS usable would be Windows Genuine Phone. It prevents non-genuine versions of windows phone to work properly. Without live tiles and access to apps, the usefulness of windows phones is non-existent.
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no thats not it there working on magldr which is what is going to boot android and wp7
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i just don't get it. can't the device handle the os?
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of course it can, its just the fact that porting a complete OS is a massively complex task that us mere mortals can barely even comprehend.....
the devs need time and for others to be patient....
Well I'm gonna patiently wait. Android is helping bide the time, but I'm ready for some new microsoft goodies.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
You´ll be surprised soon with Leo running smoothly WP7
You can read how well all is going on Windows Phone 7 section.
By now we must have patience and support the great masters like Cotulla and Da_G just for mention some.
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i think there will never come a WP7 ROM for HD2
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