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Wanted...Alive! Android 2.2 w/Sense

I'm probably nuts but I've been called worse on the Hero Forum...LOL...but here is it. I am not a Sense lover, I am a Hero fan so I would really like to see Android 2.2 running Sense on my phone. So...I am hereby offering a reward/bounty/incentive to the first person that can post a fully functioning ROM to the forum that is Android 2.2 with Sense. I am offering $100. I know it's not a ton for what you will be doing but I'm sure that its more than most of you make on here. This is a very serious offer, take me up on it and find out. If anyone else comes along and wants to add to the pot, we will just all make a pact to fulfill the bounty when the product is delivered. Maybe together we can make this worth someone's while...
The rules:
It has to be fully functioning. That means everything, phone, camera, camcorder, mms, sms, gps, etc...and Sense (I think there is a new Sense that goes with Android 2.2) has to work too, all of it. I won't be the judge of this, I'll get someone who is more qualified than me, hopefully I can persuade someone like impaler747 to be the judge.
Needs to be done by mid Jan. as I get a new phone in Feb.
I'm not rich but I think this is worth it and with the dropoff of Hero devs lately I think someone needs to step up and put out some incentive. Any takers?
PS-If this is offensive to anyone, sorry, just trying to help and I am not smart enough to learn 'devving' and too old to start anyways. LOL

This is already being worked on.......

I know, but its not done and I haven't heard of anyone close...so if they finish someone could have 100 bucks!

I wouldnt mind contributing another 100 for the 2.2 sense im in on the offer
Hero on AOSP

Hell, the legend source was released last week. I don't expect it to be too much longer.
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you've got to be kidding. you expect people to believe you're gonna put up 100 bucks for a slower rom than cm6 literally half a month before you upgrade and spend money on that? right on dude. if you really want to help donate 100 to nfinitefx45 who is currently working hard on this exact thing, and hope they get it done. and by the way, see my sig, maybe you and this dude can have a sense party together.

il Duce said:
you've got to be kidding, you expect people to believe you're gonna put up 100 bucks for a slower rom than cm6 literally half a month before you upgrade and spend money on that, right on dude. if you really want to help donate 100 to nfinitefx45 who is currently working hard on this exact thing, and hope they gey it done. and by the way, see my sig, maybe you and this dude can have a sense party together.
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Here's another link for your sig.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=860479
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user7618 said:
Here's another link for your sig.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=860479
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hahahah no ****, look just posted in there as you were posting in here, wtf is wrong with people. I'm no dev, I really appreciate all the FREE hard work they have done to make my phone amazing, and I try to help other members when i can, but check how many legitimate threads i've started with dumbass questions, oh that's right, i haven't made a legitimate thread, and i've been here since early '09.
added to sig. maybe I should add this thread too, hmmmm at least there was a fake bounty offered, lol.

il Duce said:
hahahah no ****, look just posted in there as you were posting in here, wtf is wrong with people. I'm no dev, I really appreciate all the FREE hard work they have done to make my phone amazing, and I try to help other members when i can, but check how many legitimate threads i've started with dumbass questions, oh that's right, i haven't made a legitimate thread, and i've been here since early '09.
added to sig. maybe I should add this thread too, hmmmm at least there was a fake bounty offered, lol.
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Fake bounty, why is it fake? According to you? Thats, for lack of a better term, rich. Someone do it and prove it was fake.

pwachleman said:
Fake bounty, why is it fake? According to you? Thats, for lack of a better term, rich. Someone do it and prove it was fake.
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well, i guess i don't really know, but logic is not on your side. for instance, you claim to want to donate to a dev, yet you have no donation stars next to your name on xda? also, why give up a hundred a few weeks before an upgrade? also, why not donate to the existing devs for the existing rom which works in almost every way... i am sure all the devs who have been working on sense 2.2 for MONTHS are going to go really really fast now just for you good luck. i will no longer respond.

il Duce said:
well, i guess i don't really know, but logic is not on your side. for instance, you claim to want to donate to a dev, yet you have no donation stars next to your name on xda? also, why give up a hundred a few weeks before an upgrade? also, why not donate to the existing devs for the existing rom which works in almost every way... i am sure all the devs who have been working on sense 2.2 for MONTHS are going to go really really fast now just for you good luck. i will no longer respond.
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Youre right, I havent donated to anyone here before, I did donate to cyanogen for cm6. Im glad you wont respond anymore, youve proven your point so clearly up to this point on something that had absolutely nothing to do with you and clearly didnt interest you anyways so peddle your crap elsewhere thanks. I'll take someone legitimate calling me a liar and fake but certainly NOT you.

Ok, guys, lets ratchet down the testosterone and play nice. Remember, Android loves all of us.
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your the one talking ???you like to instigate threats in this htc hero forum. And, not respect people input to new features or opinion along with other users.
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Ok, guys, lets ratchet down the testosterone and play nice. Remember, Android loves all of us.
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user7618 said:
Ok, guys, lets ratchet down the testosterone and play nice. Remember, Android loves all of us.
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my bad. i'll try to respond less, or at least less when it would be unproductive. i love android back.

Let's try to keep it friendly, although I too am not fond of these type of threads

theimpaler747 said:
Let's try to keep it friendly, although I too am not fond of these type of threads
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I dont see your problem but thats fine, nice that you can ask for donations but cant see someone wanting to make things interesting for someone. Thats fine, youre a mod so cancel the thread. This community is really something sometimes, always rewards the jerks. Enough said and unlike some I mean it, my final word, here or anyplace else.

pwachleman said:
I dont see your problem but thats fine, nice that you can ask for donations but cant see someone wanting to make things interesting for someone. Thats fine, youre a mod so cancel the thread. This community is really something sometimes, always rewards the jerks. Enough said and unlike some I mean it, my final word, here or anyplace else.
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I'm not canceling anything, just expressing I don't like demanding threads of devs

i'll gladly throw another $25 on this. Ask flipz or anyone else i have donated to on here if i am good for it.

Why don't you guys just donate all this to Nfinite, who's already working on this

add119 said:
your the one talking ???you like to instigate threats in this htc hero forum. And, not respect people input to new features or opinion along with other users.
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Show me one, just one, instance of me threatening anyone on this, or any, forum. Any and all irate posts directed towards you in your threads are your fault, not mine, sir. I would kindly appreciate you not throwing baseless accusations in my direction. Good day to you.
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[KERNEL][4.6.2011] Thunderbolt Kernel By Ziggy

For those familiar with Ziggy's work, he finally compiled a kernel for the Thunderbolt. It is a beta kernel so there will be bugs, so test it out. For reporting bugs please comment on his website. I am in no way affiliated with Ziggy, just wanted to spread the news.
Will try to update as much as possible.
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Loved his kernel on my Evo. Thanks for the heads up.

TB refuses to wake up had to do a battery pull
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Fantastic. Ran a number of Ziggy's kernels on my Inc and was quite pleased. Can't wait till these get refined.

2 new beta kernels up on Ziggy's website today. ziggy471.com

been testing these for a while now. AWESOME is the only way to describe them lol

Wow this is blazing

imneveral0ne said:
been testing these for a while now. AWESOME is the only way to describe them lol
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Ziggy471 never fails to impress! From the tp2 days to the DInc, and now the ThunderBolt......just keeps getting better!

Just what ive been waiting for.. a 1.8 CFS kernel

Nikolai2.1 said:
Just what ive been waiting for.. a 1.8 CFS kernel
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What is CFS vs BFS?

psufan5 said:
What is CFS vs BFS?
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Has nobody heard of 'Google' anymore?
The first link when you search for exactly that:
http://www.stackednotion.com/2010/06/04/what-are-bfs-and-cfs

CorporateGoth said:
Has nobody heard of 'Google' anymore?
The first link when you search for exactly that:
http://www.stackednotion.com/2010/06/04/what-are-bfs-and-cfs
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What are you some kinda angry nerd? You tend to get better explanations about PHONE questions on a PHONE message board. How each effects a PHONE vs Linux....
Take a step back and stop being an angry phone nerd.

To cut it short,
BFS is generally faster, but has its hickups when multitasking.
CFS can be a little lower in quad scores (which mean nothing in my opinion) but do better on multitasking.
I prefer CFS, its smoother to me.. Try em both, it depends on what you prefer and what your phone can handle

psufan5 said:
What are you some kinda angry nerd? You tend to get better explanations about PHONE questions on a PHONE message board. How each effects a PHONE vs Linux....
Take a step back and stop being an angry phone nerd.
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Nobody in the forums hate anything more than answering silly questions...always search before posting...especially development forums. If you have a simple questions, post in the general thread or simple google search and you will find your answers...not being harsh...just stating facts.

Fodizzle1978 said:
Nobody in the forums hate anything more than answering silly questions...always search before posting...especially development forums. If you have a simple questions, post in the general thread or simple google search and you will find your answers...not being harsh...just stating facts.
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What was I thinking... BFS vs CFS is so common. I was actually going to ask my mom about it.
Nikolai2.1 - thank you very much. See how easy that was? Instead you guys decide to insult and argue, taking up MORE comment space.

This thread is becoming funny. Guys, even if you want people to search, please be polite. No point being too challenging. Many people ask simple questions because they want to hear answers in laymen terms. Please be kind - you were a noob once too.
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psufan5 said:
What was I thinking... BFS vs CFS is so common. I was actually going to ask my mom about it.
Nikolai2.1 - thank you very much. See how easy that was? Instead you guys decide to insult and argue, taking up MORE comment space.
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I dont mind answering questions, but some others do. and thats okay, honestly this really shouldnt be in the development section, but im not gonna get mad

psufan5 said:
What are you some kinda angry nerd? You tend to get better explanations about PHONE questions on a PHONE message board. How each effects a PHONE vs Linux....
Take a step back and stop being an angry phone nerd.
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Actually I disagree. A well researched article will give you or anyone else much more info than 10 people expressing what their opinion is on the topic.
Also he did not only google it for you but he posted the link for you as well. I also did not see him sling any names at you.
Maybe a Thank You should be in order.
It might also be noteworthy to address that this belongs in the General Section not Development.
Good Luck

khanam said:
This thread is becoming funny. Guys, even if you want people to search, please be polite. No point being too challenging. Many people ask simple questions because they want to hear answers in laymen terms. Please be kind - you were a noob once too.
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I see both angle's really. if the statement was just go search then yeah. He did in fact supply the info. Might not be to yours or my liking but I do take the words for what they are. I try not to read into them to much. We must remember emotions are very difficult to read.

Nikolai2.1 said:
I dont mind answering questions, but some others do. and thats okay, honestly this really shouldnt be in the development section, but im not gonna get mad
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agreed! and with that my last post about this, don't want to hyjack ziggy's kernel thread any further.

yay bootloader good news!

http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-bootloader-bypassed
big news
can't wait for some awesome roms... cm7 please?

Just curious why you would create a new thread linking to some blog about that which is already being discussed here on xda?

Oh no the forum police!
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..... Oh no, the anarchists of ignorance!
Seriously... why the hell does everyone get pissy when someone questions the logic of having multiple threads pointing out the same exact thing? You realise that if EVERYONE did that, there would be a post from everybody questioning why the bootloader wasn't unlocked... why HSUPA wasn't working... and so on and so forth.

elementaldragon said:
..... Oh no, the anarchists of ignorance!
Seriously... why the hell does everyone get pissy when someone questions the logic of having multiple threads pointing out the same exact thing? You realise that if EVERYONE did that, there would be a post from everybody questioning why the bootloader wasn't unlocked... why HSUPA wasn't working... and so on and so forth.
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Because they want to feel special. I think we need more then one mod for the atrix section.

Yea... especially when anything newsworthy with the words "boot", "loader", "Gingerbread", or "rom" pop up on the interwebz.

I understand the desire to keep the forums clean. But some people's over enthusiasm can sometimes come of as spiteful or mean. I shouldn't have said what I did, but we're all people here
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True.... but forums aren't a new concept. And it's rare to see a forum that welcomes multiple threads with the same topic with open arms.

I think this thread is a great idea. The other one is full of "this is a Dev thread, don't clutter it up with useless drivel"

actually, this thread is a great idea.
all the "this-is-a-dev-thread-elitist-nazis" can police and berate all the non-dev comments that pop up in the thread located IN THE DEV SECTION.
So what's wrong with having a corresponding thread in the general section that non-dev folks can post in, ask questions, etc without having to take a virtual, condescending ass chewing from the "this-is-a-dev-thread-elitist-nazis"?
*edit* rozzco beat me to the point...

Once again, you all can report and walk away without leaving any comment. It's that simple.

cellzealot just broke my heart and said that it won't work because the radio's won't be restarted under the custom kernel.

Breaking this on a news site was a bad, bad idea...It's completely and utterly premature. There's going to be 5,000 people over the next few days referencing this asking how to accomplish what's mentioned. It'll hit Engadget, and BGR, and then all hell will break loose but nothing will have changed [yet]. Frakking sheeple.

PixoNova said:
cellzealot just broke my heart and said that it won't work because the radio's won't be restarted under the custom kernel.
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He makes a strong case.
Do other phones (sections) get jerked around as bad as the Atrix? We've been told the bootloader was cracked, promised an OC mod, and now this? I sure hope this isn't normal.

rozzco said:
He makes a strong case.
Do other phones (sections) get jerked around as bad as the Atrix? We've been told the bootloader was cracked, promised an OC mod, and now this? I sure hope this isn't normal.
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But what cellzealot said is not fact until it is tested on our phone and viseversa with the "backdoor". We just need to look at the cup as half full and not half empty.

[Q] where the **** is the best kernel dev thor?

Why kick a linuxnerd with this knowledge!!?

PsYCoR said:
Why kick a linuxnerd with this knowledge!!?
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Where do we sign to get him back?

wait what happend?

nycbjr said:
wait what happend?
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Did he quit because of the HTCClay ordeal? If so All those folks went to rootzwiki.com

His kernel thread was closed due to a lack of source being provided, in order to keep the site compliant with the law. Some jerk took that to mean he was banned or punished or in some way unwelcome at XDA, which is false. The OP deserves a nice temp ban for having such a glaring attitude towards the administrators here at XDA who are doing their best to keep this site running. But, for someone with one post, I can't see that doing any good. Best to just ignore the troll till the admins remove this thread.

Out of all the worthless crappy 100+ threads you chose one that is actually useful WOW.

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His kernel thread was closed due to a lack of source being provided, in order to keep the site compliant with the law.
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i can't belive it.

Johnny0906 said:
Out of all the worthless crappy 100+ threads you chose one that is actually useful WOW.
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Sorry, but I LOL´ed imagining you saying that. Anyway, that sucks =(

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His kernel thread was closed due to a lack of source being provided, in order to keep the site compliant with the law.
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That actually seems reasonably fair... Everyone is angry at Acer for doing that, I don't see why Thor should be held to a different standard. Having said that, his kernel was great... I hope he comes back and plays according to the rules.
With any luck this was all a big misunderstanding, and he just hadn't started a GIT yet but was about to, or something like that.

I mean his kernel was up a few days only, you couldnt have given him some more time to explain or something?
This is the guy that got Clockwork for EVERYBODY for ****s sake...
And its impossible to put a price tag on how important it is.

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I mean his kernel was up a few days only, you couldnt have given him some more time to explain or something?
This is the guy that got Clockwork for EVERYBODY for ****s sake...
And its impossible to put a price tag on how important it is.
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We can only guess that PM's were being exchanged over the issue before any action was taken. At least, I HOPE they were. They wouldn't just boot him without talking first, would they?

FloatingFatMan said:
We can only guess that PM's were being exchanged over the issue before any action was taken. At least, I HOPE they were. They wouldn't just boot him without talking first, would they?
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As I say, let's just hope this was all a big misunderstanding. Thor was asked for his source a few times in that thread, and he never responded to those requests publicly. I don't know what happened behind the scenes though, as you say. Perhaps a mod can clarify?

Of course they would... They ban all the best devs over stupid $h*t. Android is "open source" but now we say he was banned for not including source? Thanks conan keep up the great work...
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Please let's get Thor and his work back !

Wtf is this s%%%???
First there's not even ONE mod to sticky the important threads and now some N00B comes to play sheriff in town and kick the DEV who brought CLOCKWORKMOD to ICONIA out?
Who the F%%% is this brilliant MOD???
WHY the F%%% don't you CLOSE ALL 3.1 topics and ask acer for a 3.1 source?
EVER HEARD OF ASKING? NICELY?
Thor was rebuilding his kernel from ground up anyway.
WTF? is this XDA OR CCCP?

Mod who bans = CONANTROUTMAN... Send all requests to him ;-)
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Please post the C&D if it REALLY was a legal thing
Seriously? Because he hasn't had time to post the source up? Really?
This isn't anything new even here on XDA, and as far as being legally compliant, show us the cease and desist order, please. In any event that's no cause to get a poster banned and XDA had plenty of occurrences on significantly less open platforms where they didn't ban the poster, but locked the content due to C&Ds.
Thor did significant amounts of work here to get us what we want. Acer and pretty much 100% of corporate industries are limited to what they can do or say because of much greater liability of what they produce. One user/fan/coder posting here not so much liability as none of it is anywhere near official.
So, again please post the C&D
Even if he was being a total jackass and blurted out obscenities AT mods, a temp ban would all that it would warrant.

CONANTROUTMAN banned him or CONANTROUTMAN is in charge of mods overdoing their job?

Who banned him?

This is crazy about one month ago we didn't have recovery, Then Thor arrived and fixed that he is very important to the development of the a 500, Lets hope this is temporary, Without devs like Thor we get nowhere on our devices, I have seen in the past when devs have fights with mods the devs leave for good. Its almost like they get jealous of the work they do.
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Are the Lulz Worth It?

A few days ago (practically an eternity in XDA years), nitsuj17 exposed the work of our favorite Uberdev as nothing more than a straight up kang of CM7 and his Espresso thread was locked. He got a lot of blowback for that (including some from me) because it temporarily put the kibosh our lulz. Of course, we were just kidding with our "thanks a lot nitsuj17!" posts, but he did decide not to expose more of the Uberdev's misdeeds for fear we might lose out on our lulz.
Now, however, our favorite Uberdev has a new thread for a "new" kernel, and we all rejoiced at having a fresh source of lulz. The problem with this is that he STILL has not learned his lesson - the "new" kernel is nothing more than comradesven's KGB kernel with a 1.9 Ghz OC state added. If you don't believe it, here's the proof: https://github.com/EnyoDEV/bada.
Is it worth the lulz to keep allowing this guy to kang someone else's work, add a few lines of code, and pass it off as something new? What if you put a lot of time and effort into a ROM, kernel, theme, or mod and this guy did it to you? Would it be enough that he credits you after several other forum members call him out? Should this guy be reported again, or should we just leave it alone so we can keep the entertainment in XDA? Your thoughts?
Edit: for the record, I have not reported him for this latest kang - I'll leave that decision up to you
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Eeh, I have reddit for lulz. If I was a mod he would be banned already. (but I'm not a mod and never will be...for good reason.
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At this point, I doubt anybody installs anything he releases. He has been discredited enough and yes he should be expelled from xda after his blatant kang of KGB.
"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"

sendan said:
Eeh, I have reddit for lulz. If I was a mod he would be banned already. (but I'm not a mod and never will be...for good reason.
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Yeah, but the lulz are becoming tired and repetitive.
"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"

And don't worry, we can still get tons of lulz without Enyo. There are plenty of noobs, stupid questions , misunderstandings, misinterpretations, and immaturity to keep the lulz going nonstop.
"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"

Not to go all White Knight on your assess or anything, but...
Doesn't Comradesven's thread state something along the lines of, "don't you DARE give me credit for this", and say anyone is free to use anything he has done??
I enjoy trollin' Enyo as much as the next guy, but go after him for the outright *lie* of 'espresso protection' or any of the multitudes of other crap?
...and now back to the lulz.

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Not to go all White Knight on your assess or anything, but...
Doesn't Comradesven's thread state something along the lines of, "don't you DARE give me credit for this", and say anyone is free to use anything he has done??
I enjoy trollin' Enyo as much as the next guy, but go after him for the outright *lie* of 'espresso protection' or any of the multitudes of other crap?
...and now back to the lulz.
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yeah as long as posts source hes free to do whatever he wants in terms of forking/kanging/whatever for kernels
but the **** he makes up in terms of what the kernel does it what i enjoy personally

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I enjoy trollin' Enyo as much as the next guy, but go after him for the outright *lie* of 'espresso protection' or any of the multitudes of other crap?
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Adding a 1.9ghz clock step is an outright lie. You really think that this phone could handle that clockspeed reliably?
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Adding a 1.9ghz clock step is an outright lie. You really think that this phone could handle that clockspeed reliably?
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no sgs1 phone could...but you can put as high a step as you want...doesnt make it smart lol

while enyo allowed us to have lots of lulz over the past few weeks, I do think its time to move on. He is not learning from his mistakes and thats most likely because he is "11 yrs old". If this is true, well 11yr olds shouldnt be members on xda let alone "developing" anyway.

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while enyo allowed us to have lots of lulz over the past few weeks, I do think its time to move on. He is not learning from his mistakes and thats most likely because he is "11 yrs old". If this is true, well 11yr olds shouldnt be members on xda let alone "developing" anyway.
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yeah i made the 11 year olds shouldnt be members argument back when that came to light and no one seemed to care, oh well

I don't blame Enyo for what he is doing. I blame his parents for home schooling him and allowing the only contact to the outside world through a phone or computer with an Internet connection. He spends entirely too much time playing with his phone when he should be outside playing with people his age.
Enyo, put the phone and computer away, step outside your home and start enjoying life.
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Get mad at me for this comment, its totally fine with me if you do. The mods really are needed and I wish they would step up. The fascinate is one of the busier parts of the forum and its full of posts that need removing. If they started doing that among warning offenders this would be a much smaller problem

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Get mad at me for this comment, its totally fine with me if you do. The mods really are needed and I wish they would step up. The fascinate is one of the busier parts of the forum and its full of posts that need removing. If they started doing that among warning offenders this would be a much smaller problem
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They actually have been policing these threads - what we have now is actually a much smaller problem than what we'd have if they weren't. As many off-topic (to put it mildly) posts as there are now, we'd have 3X as many if they weren't active here. At least 2/4ths of the threads that have been closed would still be open and there would be at least 50,000 more troll posts
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Very true. I am specifying the development forum. There are so many very nonrelevant and repeat posts its ridiculous. The sad part though is i am hypocritical and guilty of this myself