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Difference between Dream + Android Dev Phone

I did a search and couldn't find the answer. I mean I know the differences between the two, but technically couldn't one root the Dream and turn it into the android dev phone?

o0oo said:
I did a search and couldn't find the answer. I mean I know the differences between the two, but technically couldn't one root the Dream and turn it into the android dev phone?
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yes but would not have the sweet battery cover.

The radio firmware is different too, but most guides to rooting also cover flashing the dev SPL radio.

Thanks for clarifying. So technically any android device could be rooted and used for development then. We aren't limited to the dream?

o0oo said:
Thanks for clarifying. So technically any android device could be rooted and used for development then. We aren't limited to the dream?
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If you are simply doing application development, root is probably not even necessary.

Thanks, I guess I was just wondering what the big deal the android dev phone was. I guess it's really nothing special. Thanks for the confirmations.

o0oo said:
I did a search and couldn't find the answer. I mean I know the differences between the two, but technically couldn't one root the Dream and turn it into the android dev phone?
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Technically, ADP1 *IS* an HTC DREAM. It is, as in IS. As in there is a factory churning out DREAMs, and some of them are given an extra sticker that says "ADP1".
Now the difference between an ADP1 HTC DREAM and a carrier-distributed HTC DREAM is in the locking... ADP1 is shipped fully unlocked (no carrier lock on the radio and engineering bootloader). Carrier-distributed HTC DREAMs have locked radio (only work on that carrier's network) and bootloader that enforces carrier-signed system images.
Now there is some hardware variation between DREAMs, basically depending on the radio frequencies used by the carrier. DREAM as distributed by ROGERS in Canada as far as I can tell is the oddball using 1900 where the rest use 1700/2100.

HTC HD2 vs HD2 T-Mobile

I've read around, as I am considering buying the HD2 very very soon (either I buy the HTC HD2 in the next month when I will be in the US or wait for a friend to go there someday, who knows when, to buy the T-Mobile....) My doubt is of course because of the small (not so small?) differences between the two. I posted this on another thread but got no luck, so I hope to be more noticed here...
I would like to summarize my options and clear up some doubts with the generous posters here:
- Everywhere it says HD2 US comes only in Spring. I assume it will only be available at T-Mobile after March or later. Expansys told me they expect it mid-march. Thus not in time if I want it in February during my trip.
- HD2 Europe vs US: 3G Bands, RAM and ROM. Any other difference?
- HD2 Europe: If HTC Sense is taken out there shall be plenty of ROM space for WM7 (if WM 7 is ever released for the HD2) and say about 100MB for applications (I don't care about installing many applications in ROM - just 100 MB or so)? Most agree with this? - This is my main doubt along with:
- HD2 US: can the camera pink hue be once and for all fixed (many people complain about it even after patching) with this new version of HD2? The Overexposure of Flash as well? - second main doubt.
I thank you so much for any help.

mbernstein said:
I've read around, as I am considering buying the HD2 very very soon (either I buy the HTC HD2 in the next month when I will be in the US or wait for a friend to go there someday, who knows when, to buy the T-Mobile....) My doubt is of course because of the small (not so small?) differences between the two. I posted this on another thread but got no luck, so I hope to be more noticed here...
I would like to summarize my options and clear up some doubts with the generous posters here:
- Everywhere it says HD2 US comes only in Spring. I assume it will only be available at T-Mobile after March or later. Expansys told me they expect it mid-march. Thus not in time if I want it in February during my trip.
- HD2 Europe vs US: 3G Bands, RAM and ROM. Any other difference?
- HD2 Europe: If HTC Sense is taken out there shall be plenty of ROM space for WM7 (if WM 7 is ever released for the HD2) and say about 100MB for applications (I don't care about installing many applications in ROM - just 100 MB or so)? Most agree with this? - This is my main doubt along with:
- HD2 US: can the camera pink hue be once and for all fixed (many people complain about it even after patching) with this new version of HD2? The Overexposure of Flash as well? - second main doubt.
I thank you so much for any help.
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may be the t mobile version will not work in your region where you are from

Thanks. I guess the frequencies are the same. Only problem is with 3G. But then I'll have problems with both as my area is 850Mhz. I have bought from T-mobile US before and had no problems with other stuff.

it's a no brainer as far as i would be concerned. swap full connectivity (it won't work right unless you are using t mobile us)for some extra rom that probably won't make any difference in the win 7 will it/won't it argument? not me, get yourself a "normal"one and forget the t mo one would be my advice.

mbernstein said:
Thanks. I guess the frequencies are the same. Only problem is with 3G. But then I'll have problems with both as my area is 850Mhz. I have bought from T-mobile US before and had no problems with other stuff.
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it would be better if you get a hd2 from australlia it has the same frequency as yours look at these specifications http://www.htc.com/au/product/hd2/specification.html and with respect to the extra rams and rom we discovered that hd2 normal has extra rams and activated now developers are searching now for extra rom

hoss_n2 said:
it would be better if you get a hd2 from australlia it has the same frequency as yours look at these specifications http://www.htc.com/au/product/hd2/specification.html and with respect to the extra rams and rom we discovered that hd2 normal has extra rams and activated now developers are searching now for extra rom
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This is really great. Thanks. Anyone knows if it easy to get it into the US? I live in Brazil and it will be like paying more than double, I guess in the US sometimes they don't charge taxes for this... Any help?

samsamuel said:
it's a no brainer as far as i would be concerned. swap full connectivity (it won't work right unless you are using t mobile us)for some extra rom that probably won't make any difference in the win 7 will it/won't it argument? not me, get yourself a "normal"one and forget the t mo one would be my advice.
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I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )

mbernstein said:
This is really great. Thanks. Anyone knows if it easy to get it into the US? I live in Brazil and it will be like paying more than double, I guess in the US sometimes they don't charge taxes for this... Any help?
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search at ebay i heared it is on it

mbernstein said:
I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )
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the different radios use different hardware, flashing a new rom won't alter the frequencies it will or won't work with.

mbernstein said:
I f I flash it with HTC Rom won't I be able to do my normal connectivity settings? (If I can't get the Australian as suggested above, which is kind of a deal maker... )
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frequency is in hardware cannot be solved by flashing roms

Oh, you were talking about the Radio hardware itself. Yeah, I knew I would have to compromise my 3G with both the US and Europe version, although other bands would be fine. But this Australian option changes the picture. I'll take a look thanks to both.

hoss_n2 said:
search at ebay i heared it is on it
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Looking for it, still haven't find. Just to clear it up, I believe only Telstra is selling it, but I assume I can a HARD SLP it and then flash HTC ROM, right? And make it SIM free as well?
Thanks

mbernstein said:
Looking for it, still haven't find. Just to clear it up, I believe only Telstra is selling it, but I assume I can a HARD SLP it and then flash HTC ROM, right? And make it SIM free as well?
Thanks
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flashing, no problem, sim unlocking has been an issue for some people (there currently isn't a do it yourself unlocker, only web sites selling unlock codes, which some people say doesn't always work.)
am sure that will only be a temporary problem though...

Just to say thanks to you two who have been helping me. I've just placed an order for HD2 Telstra as suggested by hoss_n2. Grateful.

Should I buy the Telstra HD2?

I am considering buying the Telstra HD2 via a buddy in Oz for use on AT&Ts network. I have been checking out the forums and it seems there are a ton of issues with the HD2 regarding touch screen failures, data connection issues, and other nags that make the experience more frustrating than enjoyable.
Would love to know from experienced users opinions on whether or not I should buy the HD2. I am a very experienced BlackBerry user but I have gotten bored with the UI and want to try something new.
Also to note: I plan to use my next ATT upgrade to get the WP7 phone but that is too long a wait to stick it out on the BB. I am not going to switch to TMob as I think I am the only ATT user that is satisfied with ATT.
Really any thoughts on why I should or should not buy the Telstra HD2 would be appreciated.

king_fish said:
I am considering buying the Telstra HD2 via a buddy in Oz for use on AT&Ts network. I have been checking out the forums and it seems there are a ton of issues with the HD2 regarding touch screen failures, data connection issues, and other nags that make the experience more frustrating than enjoyable.
Would love to know from experienced users opinions on whether or not I should buy the HD2. I am a very experienced BlackBerry user but I have gotten bored with the UI and want to try something new.
Also to note: I plan to use my next ATT upgrade to get the WP7 phone but that is too long a wait to stick it out on the BB. I am not going to switch to TMob as I think I am the only ATT user that is satisfied with ATT.
Really any thoughts on why I should or should not buy the Telstra HD2 would be appreciated.
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The HD2 had ALOT of complaints from users when it first came out and all the problems it had was due to the terrible rom that it came with. The latest official Rom v1.66 and any custom rom from the rom development forum have fixed all these problems and after owning an HD2 for 2 1/2 months I can say hand on heart that it is the best phone I have ever seen or used. No freezes, no problems with the screen, no data connection problems and a pleasure to use. Everytime I look at it I still think WOW!!
Even the camera and video capture which has always been dismal at best on HTC phones is now fantastic and stunningly fast.
With the tweaks and mods available on xda you wont find a better phone.
I advised a friend to get one a few weeks ago and after he got his HD2 he thanked me for recommending it so my advise to you would be to get one as you will not be disapointed.
The only thing I will say is that once you get it be prepared to put HardSPL on it and flash either the 1.66 stock rom or one of the custom roms available to make sure it runs at its best.
Mark.

king_fish said:
I am considering buying the Telstra HD2 via a buddy in Oz for use on AT&T's network. ...any thoughts on why I should or should not buy the Telstra HD2 would be appreciated.
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I purchased one Telstra HD2 for myself, flashed the ROM (to XannyTech's), and have had no problems except a bug related to screen rotation during phone calls causing the dialpad to reposition itself annoyingly (there's a simple work-around). My boss was so impressed with the phone that he bought one and I've prepped it the same way.
I have no reservations about the purchases. Worrying about WP7 upgrade possibilities is silly since we all know so very little about what might happen. You're right not to listen to the Chicken Littles who want to sue HTC or see the price come down because an upgrade never offered now may only be possible instead of probable.

mskip said:
The HD2 had ALOT of complaints from users when it first came out and all the problems it had was due to the terrible rom that it came with. The latest official Rom v1.66 and any custom rom from the rom development forum have fixed all these problems and after owning an HD2 for 2 1/2 months I can say hand on heart that it is the best phone I have ever seen or used. No freezes, no problems with the screen, no data connection problems and a pleasure to use. Everytime I look at it I still think WOW!!
Even the camera and video capture which has always been dismal at best on HTC phones is now fantastic and stunningly fast.
With the tweaks and mods available on xda you wont find a better phone.
I advised a friend to get one a few weeks ago and after he got his HD2 he thanked me for recommending it so my advise to you would be to get one as you will not be disapointed.
The only thing I will say is that once you get it be prepared to put HardSPL on it and flash either the 1.66 stock rom or one of the custom roms available to make sure it runs at its best.
Mark.
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Awesome and thanks for the input. I am sold. My buddy in Perth grabbed one for me today and it is on the way to me. I was debating whether or not to sell it but I want to keep it. Your explanation of flashing the ROM was one of the first links I bookmarked from this site.
I am definitely going to have to HardSPL the device - what I understand is that the Telstra ROM will not allow me to access ATT's 3G bands. I have been on a BlackBerry for 5 years so this is all new to me but I am looking forward to getting the HD2.

king_fish said:
Awesome and thanks for the input. I am sold. My buddy in Perth grabbed one for me today and it is on the way to me. I was debating whether or not to sell it but I want to keep it. Your explanation of flashing the ROM was one of the first links I bookmarked from this site.
I am definitely going to have to HardSPL the device - what I understand is that the Telstra ROM will not allow me to access ATT's 3G bands. I have been on a BlackBerry for 5 years so this is all new to me but I am looking forward to getting the HD2.
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When you get it make sure you check the SPL in the bootloader screen to make sure you can put HardSPL on it. The requirements are SPL 1.42. I dont think any phones are being sold with a higher SPL version but you really want to check that first before you start drooling over the sheer beauty of it
Once you are ready to start flashing it please post in my flashing for noobs thread if you have any more observations or questions.
Mark.

manicotti said:
I purchased one Telstra HD2 for myself, flashed the ROM (to XannyTech's), and have had no problems except a bug related to screen rotation during phone calls causing the dialpad to reposition itself annoyingly (there's a simple work-around). My boss was so impressed with the phone that he bought one and I've prepped it the same way.
I have no reservations about the purchases. Worrying about WP7 upgrade possibilities is silly since we all know so very little about what might happen. You're right not to listen to the Chicken Littles who want to sue HTC or see the price come down because an upgrade never offered now may only be possible instead of probable.
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Theres an even better replacement than the rotate fix, there's a dll fix now too

I think it's an excellent phone, but the standard Telstra ROM is terrible, I'm using the latest Energy ROM and the phone is AMAZING now

I agree in that it is an excellent phone. I am using it on AT&T here in the US.
I have tried several of the ROMs cooked here and can say they all offer great alternatives. Go for it!

I also have the T9193 setup with ATT. I went for the safe sea wwe 1.66 rom. The only problem I had was with the data freezing on me a couple times a day. But once I got the right bands setup and installed the 2.08.50.08_2 radio the phone has been flawless for weeks. Not one issue. I have had no problems with the touchscreen at all.

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Theres an even better replacement than the rotate fix, there's a dll fix now too
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Not the right thread maybe, but what is the link to this fix? Only thing that annoys me sometimes. Thanks.
Concerning this thread, MSKip recommended me the HD2 (he came from a TyTn II) just like me, and I can only repeat every word he said. Even camera is quite nice. Used in a trip with my kids, and it did its job when I needed quite nicely.
I also bought my Telstra to use in the same band as AT&T in Brazil. It's been working with no problem. I don't keep it connected all the time, so can not say about stability of connection, but whenever I need I connect HSPA right away and connection is quite fast and it is quite OK to browse the web with it. And thing is no lag! I use Miri 6.5.x, great, there is a fix for the registry to select correct bands or auto... My 2 cents.
PS: I was only missing a little bit hardware keyboard and media keys. Now I'm getting used to on-screen keyboard and typing is getting closer in speed and accuracy to a hard keyboard. Media keys, well, I use my bluetooth headphone's, still miss them sometimes, though, but nothing is perfect, is it?

I have been happy with ATT, but the price of the import is too steep so I cannot stay if I want the HD2
If you dont mind the price importing shouldnt be too bad, I know someone who did and has been very happy with it.

mbernstein said:
Not the right thread maybe, but what is the link to this fix? Only thing that annoys me sometimes. Thanks.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5768112&postcount=3

mazzarin said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5768112&postcount=3
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Thanks. Trying it.
Yes, not cheap. I've got my HD2 Telstra from Australia to the US for around U$ 800 total.

Can you root therogers htc dream with the update?

Hey I'm thinking about getting the htc dream but I'm wondering if you canroot the dream that has the update. Thanks

The only way to do this is with Jtag.

panesingh said:
Hey I'm thinking about getting the htc dream but I'm wondering if you canroot the dream that has the update. Thanks
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The short answer is yes.
The long answer is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5934885
And it also helps to read and understand ALL of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591048
I know that's a lot of information, but if you intend on getting one of these phones with the intention of rooting it, you need to know ALL of it.
*****HOWEVER*****
IF you do live in CANADA and that is the reason you are looking at a robbers dream, I would STRONGLY suggest that you AVOID the unit. An ADP1 or tmobile branded DREAM is a FAR better choice since it is ALSO compatible with the new WCDMA carriers (wind mobile, moblicity, and videotron) ***IN ADDITION TO*** being compatible with robbers. They are also MUCH easier to root, and in the case of ADP1, they shipped from factory with root access.

Q how to unlcok sim sm-g900r7

hi all
how is day
i have glaxy s5 cspir
sm-g900r7 how to unlck sim

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VERY informative! I had the same question.
As far as I know, there is no way to get GSM working.

mirushaki said:
VERY informative! I had the same question.
As far as I know, there is no way to get GSM working.
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this specific G900 has been the topic of quandary quite a bit today. I havent been able to find a solution for this one yet, but its likely a radio firmware limitation. Im pretty sure that it has the physical capability to run on GSM, but nobody has figured out how to get it working yet. This model isnt a good choice for GSM as of yet. We need a developer who is quite a bit smarter than I to figure the radio firmware hurdles