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which handsfree for Raphael?

Hi there,
I am going to buy a new car (well, a used one, but new for me) and I am looking for a good reliable handsfree which is known to work with a raphael.
What I want is: Phonebook synchronization (SIM + internal phonebook), voice dialling (i.e. you say the name of a contact in the phonebook. I don't need to be able to call an unknown number which is not in my phonebook by voice).
Radio muting.
I found some parrot devices (like mki9100), but some people had problems with parrot's handsfrees and windows mobile devices...
Does anyone own a handsfree which he can recommend?

What car do you own?
Yes parrott can have issues with WM devices, but it is very rare, i personally have never had a problem with the combination. Try and find out if your car manufacturer has a factory unit. I have an Audi and the TP works very well with all features.
Hope it helps

It will be a Volkswagen Golf V - Volkswagen has two handsfrees but the better of them costs about 900 EUR with installation/mounting because it is best inserted when the car is assembled... And it demands rSAP which causes problems with some HTC devices...

pen² said:
It will be a Volkswagen Golf V - Volkswagen has two handsfrees but the better of them costs about 900 EUR with installation/mounting because it is best inserted when the car is assembled... And it demands rSAP which causes problems with some HTC devices...
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rSAP works perfectly with the TP.

Parrot ck3100 works perfect with my pro!

It's good news that rsap works well with the device - maybe I can get the better VW handsfree installed for cheap when I buy the car...
For the Parrot ck3100 I have a question... In my old car I had a Parrot Rhythm'n'blue car radio with BT handsfree. The problem with the raphael was, when I have a contact John Doe who has a home and a mobile number, the handsfree would display two separate contacts for this:
John Doe / H
John Doe / M
Before this was one contact with multiple numbers which could be chosen by saying "private" or "mobile".
Is this still an issue with the ck3100?

I would recommend using the 3200LS it's colour, and you can specify what number you want by saying "Home, Mobile etc"
And you can store the picture of the person in the kit also
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000EPQ4C4/400001517-21/?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

mmh actually it's a bit too big for me - I was thinking of something smaller and more subtle like the Mki 9100 (http://www.parrot.com/uk/products/hands-free-car-kits/parrot-mki9100) or (but this would be more expensive) the FISCON (http://www.fiscon-mobile.eu/) which is possible with my car as it will have a touchscreen radio which will be used for displaying the address book etc.

I have an HP Ipaq 310 that has all of these and works great. It is also a navigation unit running IGO.

pen² said:
mmh actually it's a bit too big for me - I was thinking of something smaller and more subtle like the Mki 9100 (http://www.parrot.com/uk/products/hands-free-car-kits/parrot-mki9100) or (but this would be more expensive) the FISCON (http://www.fiscon-mobile.eu/) which is possible with my car as it will have a touchscreen radio which will be used for displaying the address book etc.
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This is exactly like the RNS-E head unit that are fitted to Audi's Works a treat, but enjoy parting with €400

Bluetooth Car Connection

I have a problem where my HD2 does not work properly with my Land Rover Freelander 2 in-built bluetooth car kit.
The HD2 pairs with the car and I can search my phone book, see my last dialled number, I can even dial a number, BUT, the phone does not connect properly - the car radio should cut out and phone audio come through the car speakers, but instead the radio just continues to play. And shortly after the call is connected to the other party the line is terminated.
My Nokia phone works perfectly with my car, but this phone does not. Even my Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 did not for properly with the Freelander 2.
I did manage to make one successful call, but after I stopped and restarted the car, the problem returned!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
So, does any one know of a fix? Surely hands free/car kit is a standard?
Help!

same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling

Paired it with my Pioneer FH-P80BT on my way to sell my 3GS and recieved a call. Got the same issue as described above - just a bug i presume.

I'm experiancing similar problems. All works fine (incoming call's or outgoing call's) but they get disconnected randomly it seems. I'm using a JVX NX7000 by the way. No problem with my iPhone. Hope they fix it soon!

I tested it with my BMW Idrive last night which is notoriously difficult and it worked fine, I was really surprised tbh! But was able to recieve and make calls, the stereo cut out and could see the phone book too. With my N82 i was only ever able to make/receive calls.

Same problem - Jaguar XF - it docks ok but I have to initiate calls from car (vs phone). Just some weirdness going on...
glenner05 said:
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
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Mercedes brutality
I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.

I have a Nissan Pathfinder; it paired ok, and dials from the Pathy without probs. Ringtone is ok too. Sound quality seems better than my old Tytn so all in all v happy.
Doesn't stream music, but that's Nissan's fault, not HTC.

Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).

HTC HD2 Pairing with a Freelander 2 - SUCESS!!!
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.

graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Hello i have same problem with my BMW X5. Can you explain better your steps ?

graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Interesting, I have a similar problem with my 2009 BMW 3 I explain here (sorry I posted before discovering this thread) and I'll try your registry tweak.
But you say that it is "a known change" to the HD2, could you tell us where you saw it ? Is there another discussion about the BT stack somewhere or more generaly about the Widcomm implementation in the HD2 ?
The HD2 being so recent and in short supply, I'm a bit surprised something like that is "well known"
Thanks for your help.

It works !
graemenwallace, I just tried after applying your tweak and... OMG, this is AWSOME man, it just WORKS !
I still just have one gripe though, it seems that the car doesn't always receive the RF level correctly at the first connection. Sometimes it sees the phone as having no carrier at all (no bars in the RX level display), preventing the car to make any calls, but as soon as I receive a call, the level resets to full bars and I can pick the call and make calls myself after that.
When the first call comes in, I can see the display with no bars and a "?" appearing on top of it for a short time before it becomes full bars.
So there is still some compatibility problems, but at least now I can pick-up incoming calls without risking my life.
So I suppose you are a potential life saver then
Thanks mate,
Yves.

Bluetooth is working YES with JVC KD-AVX44 ADV49
After the registry tweak from graemenwallace the bluetooth connection is working properly with my car radio (JVC KD-AVX44/KD-ADV49).
The phone functions ok now (incoming & outgoing calls) Also the AD2P connection is super (very good sound)
Also the ID3 tags are functioning (didn't function with the X1 Xperia)
I see the track title now into the JVC display
Skipping etc. all is functioning. I will tell HTC about it because I have a ticket running for this issue. I think they have to solve this issue
Big thanks for this trick

By doing a little search on the net, it seems like graemenwallace suggested that this problem is not new with smartphones that identify themselves as such.
The tweak above forces the BT stack of the phone to identify itself as a standard phone instead of a smartphone.
What's puzzling is that my BMW handsfree worked with other smartphones so far, including the iphone.
Anyway, it's ok now, but I wonder what bad press this will cause to HTC.
The majority of the users are unaware of this kind of wizardry and this justs adds up to the long list of bugs of the HD2.
When I first got the phone a few days ago I was rapidly convinced to return it immediatly as it's fancy interface wasn't enough to overcome all the shortcomings. It was plain unusable as a business phone.
Now after applying most of the tweaks, it begins to show potential, but HTC really has to work on the problems we can't fix by tweaking the registry.

I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?

jah said:
Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
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Does your Ford system have the Bluetooth audio choice?
I get my Ford Focus changed every six months coz i'm a driving instructor and it comes as part of the deal.
On my last Ford Focus my htc tytn 2 connected ok and I could make and receive calls ok.
However, when the new car was delivered the Ford system had bluetooth audio choice and ipod integration which the other one didn't.
Now my htc tytn 2 didn't connect very well at all.
Now with my HD2 it does connect only if I have the bluetooth audio profile selected.
But now the music player keeps appearing and wants to play music all the time. If I pause the music on the phone it just starts replaying.
Anyway I will try the registry tweak in this thread and hopefully that will solve the problem.
Paul.

Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I have the same problem. I`ll try to pair my HD2 with MB C-klass using SAP but i can`t get them connected it seems like a SAP adaptor can`t activate a PIN input window on HD2 (i guess). With other phones it works perfect (tryed with Nokia 5800, 6500).

Shark_Abuser said:
I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
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could you pls describe, how did get them paired? when i try to pair them, i see the device`s id, try to "call" it, see pin code and after that i hear the descending tone. and it nothing occurs. SAP is enabled, device is discoverable, what else? Any idea?

Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I feel your pain, my wife has a GolfPlus and the rSAP instalation is crap.
It's overly expensive and useless if you don't have one of the few phones compatible with it.
Unfortunately, many customers are falling in this trap, thinking it is a standard handsfree, but it is not, it is a full GSM build-in which only access your phone SIM card to log into the network and download your contacts.
In the case of my wife, the dealer was honest and clearly stated that it was a mistake to order this option.
The only problem is that he had no other alternative than proposing an Parrot retrofit which wasn't really an option for me as it wasn't integrated in the car and certainly not in the navigation system.
But internet is your friend and the solution is quite simple, the Kufatec kit.
This is brilliant, it is a small box that connects to the CAN bus of many german cars and integrates perfectly into existing navigators, it uses the steering wheels command buttons and so on.
It is much better (more functions) than original BT options, is tailored to each brand so that the displays are in the same style as the original ones etc.
More interesting, it is field upgradable (just a laptop with BT) so that it is potentialy compatible with anything existing or not yet.
And it only costs a fraction of this crappy rSAP option.
In your case, the good news is that it can simply replace your actual rSAP kit for a minimal installation fee. (the CAN bus has to be reprogramed however, so professional instalation needed)
There is another solution: to replace the unit you have (it is situated under the driver's seat) by a skoda unit. This unit has the same connector but is simple handsfree instead of rSAP.
Hope this helps.

Toyota Prius compatibility?

Does anyone have a HD2 paired with a 2010 Toyota Prius?
I'm trying to find out if A2DP and AVCRP functions are working well with the HDD head unit in the T-Spirit?

A2DP is supported in HTC HD2.
If you can pair your car with other devices supporting that protocol, you'll surely can pair your HTC HD2.

I've paired both mine and my wife's HD2's to our 2010 Prius but I can't get A2DP to work at all... I can send/recieve calls but for some reason I can't get the car to play music from the phone.
Can anyone point me in the right direction? In the Bluetooth settings all I see is "Hands-Free" but the threads I've been reading talk about changing a setting under "stereo mode" which I do not see on either phone.

SteelyEyed said:
Does anyone have a HD2 paired with a 2010 Toyota Prius?
I'm trying to find out if A2DP and AVCRP functions are working well with the HDD head unit in the T-Spirit?
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"top gear" joke, one of my favourites :
<<there seems to be something wrong with the breaks on the toyota prius - they work! >>
nothing personal mate but i find it so funny...

DopeWeasel said:
I've paired both mine and my wife's HD2's to our 2010 Prius but I can't get A2DP to work at all... I can send/recieve calls but for some reason I can't get the car to play music from the phone.
Can anyone point me in the right direction? In the Bluetooth settings all I see is "Hands-Free" but the threads I've been reading talk about changing a setting under "stereo mode" which I do not see on either phone.
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I have the same problem with my htc Arrive and my 2010 Prius. My iPod touch plays fine but not my wp7.5. I think this is a bug or oversight with wp.

Should last for ages with that battery lol

[Q] Bluetooth SAP/rSAP on Windows Phone 7

Can anyone tell me if there is a technical reason Bluetooth SAP/rSAP cannot be delivered on the Windows Phone 7 platform, or are the just being lazy about delivering it??

So... no reply cause nobody knows or no reply cause I'm being a n00b and this is answered elsewhere? Or something worse?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rsap+windows+phone+7
Just follow the first link "Frage zu SAP..." (german)
So far only these BT profiles are implemented:
PBAP — Phone Book Access Profile
A2DP — Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
HSP — Headset Profile
HFP — Hands-Free Profile
AVRCP — A/V Remote Control Profile
Anything else would be speculation, because Mango BT updates known so far:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-mango-bluetooth-stack-updated-but-not-much/

esackbauer said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rsap+windows+phone+7
Just follow the first link "Frage zu SAP..." (german)
So far only these BT profiles are implemented:
PBAP — Phone Book Access Profile
A2DP — Advanced Audio Distribution Profile
HSP — Headset Profile
HFP — Hands-Free Profile
AVRCP — A/V Remote Control Profile
Anything else would be speculation, because Mango BT updates known so far:
http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-mango-bluetooth-stack-updated-but-not-much/
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Thanks - just saw that qualified listing and was a little disappointed. I checked the one for Apple iOS (listed as software version 4.1 and 4.2) and it also doesn't mention SAP or rSAP, but I know it does support those profiles, so I'm wondering whether I am just reading it wrong.
The differences are that iOS has:
RFCOMM
Bluetooth Network Encapsulation Protocol
Personal Area Networking Profile
HID
Interop Test Spec
Which one of these is linked to SAP/rSAP?

How do you "know" that iPhone supports rSAP? It does not, not even 4.3:
http://iamtim.de/2011/05/das-iphone-und-das-sim-access-profil-sap-oder-rsap/
None of these profiles you listed is rSAP (or SAP, SIM), as written here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29

esackbauer said:
How do you "know" that iPhone supports rSAP? It does not, not even 4.3:
http://iamtim.de/2011/05/das-iphone-und-das-sim-access-profil-sap-oder-rsap/
None of these profiles you listed is rSAP (or SAP, SIM), as written here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29
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Well I suppose to be clear I don't "know", I just "think". The reason I "think" is because it communicates with my car, that says it "requires" SIM Access Profile, whereas my phone REFUSES to communicate with my car.
Additional detail: the car actually supports 2 bluetooth "modes": Headphone mode and SIM Access mode. If I have the car initiate the bluetooth connection it will use the remote SIM mode, and if the phone initiates the connection it will use the "headphones" mode.
A Nokia N97 works in both directions. As does the iPhone 3 and 4. My Samsung Omnia 7 won't do either.

Maybe Mango will be a solution, because it updates the Headset and Hands-free profiles.
"New is Hand-Free Profile 1.5, which should mean better support for Bluetooth car kits. "
Also there comes PBA (Phonebook Access profile), which is basically the same as SAP, but it uses the radio of the phone, instead the radio inbuilt to the car kit.

PBA and your interpretation of it being very similar to SAP sounds quite interesting yet it will most likely not be recognized by SAP-only car-kits like the older VW premium handsfree-boxes. I for instance refrain from switching to any other OS than windows Mobile simply because i need my phone working with the car kit and i am not going to buy a new car because my phone doesnt support the current.
Well, anyhow. I was going to say, that if the PBA doesn't support some kinda fake-SAp mode (pretend to be sap or so) it will most likely not help anyone with sap-only car kits. not matter how much it is similar to sap.
sorry to say this.

Sneakyghost said:
I for instance refrain from switching to any other OS than windows Mobile simply because i need my phone working with the car kit and i am not going to buy a new car because my phone doesnt support the current.
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While i have both versions of Windows OS and yes the 6.x suported rSAP, the new WP7 does not. If you want a new phone that supports rSAP then Android fills the bill. Microsoft really dropped the ball by not supporting rSAP. Like you, have a VW-based phone system and without rSAP support the current handsfree phone protocols in WP7 is basically worthless.

[Update]
Just updated my phone to Mango, and annoyingly neither the headphone mode or reomte SIM modes work. This is a deal-breaker for me.
While I was quite enjoying the phone I am now going to switch to a Galaxy SII which works reliably in both directions, and connects properly to my WiFi as well. A real shame, but I can't imagine another WP update will be coming too soon and I don't have any patience left.

esackbauer said:
Maybe Mango will be a solution, because it updates the Headset and Hands-free profiles.
"New is Hand-Free Profile 1.5, which should mean better support for Bluetooth car kits. "
Also there comes PBA (Phonebook Access profile), which is basically the same as SAP, but it uses the radio of the phone, instead the radio inbuilt to the car kit.
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Since update my Omnia 7 to Mango, I get a lot of "BT connection error" on my display car.

all working here.
car radio is a Kenwood.
Finally now the phone transmits the name of the song playing to the headunit! like windows mobile.
Voice comands thru the Headunit work amazing too.The other day i received an sms while driving, voice comand told me that there was a new sms from Ken,then it ask me if i wanted it read out loud! I said yes and it did, at the end it ask me if i want it to reply to.
Also this is the only phone that actually auto connects to the car stereo,all my android devices need to be reconnected manually.
Funny thing all of this was set up by just pairing the device with the headunit.

Well my "head unit" is integrated into the dash - it's a Porsche touch screen system called PCM (which I think, lamely, stands for Porsche Control Module). I have anecdotal evidence that other WP7 models will connect which makes me think it may actually be the Samsung Omnia 7 itself and not WP7 per se.
What sux is that my Samsung Galaxy S2 works perfectly and my wife's iPhone4 works perfectly. So it isn't the car.
...I really haven't got the patience to wait for the Win8 update and keep using headphones for the next year!

some news here?

Samsung Galaxy SII / RSAP Bluetooth and VW BT Units

Hi,
has anyone had any experiences with trying to pair an SII (mine's running 2.3.4 stock) with an up to date Bluetooth phone module in a VW group vehicle. These support RSAP (GSMIII prep) as well as GSMII (lUHV/AD2P). I've sucessfully got the phone and BT module to pair but not always cleanly. When the handset is pairing via BT the signal bar display is replaced by the NO NETWORK (circle with diagonal slash) on the phone. If the pairing completes before this changes back to the normal signal bars then the BT module shows the phone as paired but with no network (even though the phone subsequently connects back to the service provider). Just wondered if anyone had experience pairing SII phones with VW group bluetooth modules... (I've actually replaced the module on my car with the latest D series one (5N0035730D).
Any feedback/experiences appreciated.

I have a Passat and it works like a charm with all used firmware version of GT-I9100 up to several 2.3.4 stock roms. I use currently I9100XXKG3-I9100XXKG3-I9100OXAKG3.
Just make you SG2 visible in Settings-Networks-Bluetooth and search with car's multimedia unit for a phone. Car display will show you a code like 1111222233334444 which you need to enter in SG2 when asked for it. Be quick otherwise it is canceled. If you have success you will be asked 2 (!) times to confirm permissions. Look in notification bar. One for connect and one for address book (Sorry if keyword are not fit 100%. I do this from my memory).
Works like a charm!

I also use my SII with great success in my Passat CC with the rSAP solution. The radio on the SII is supposed to turn off as the car has its own cellphone integrated and only "borrows" the SIM card over BT. My phone show two BT icons when it is working, and the phone in the car uses a few seconds to register on the network after it gained control over the SIM card.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA App

thanks for the feeback.. Sounds like the sort of thing I'm seeing... I see two BT symbols too... sometimes with two little arrows pointing inward during pairing.. Still though, i get NO NETWORK on the BT unit unless my phone comes back online before the pairing completes. It would appear the BT unit i have has two RSAP modes but I've no idea what the difference between them is (you can flip modes from the car menus). Just wish I could get this working reliably.I can't figure out why its being so problematic when everyone else's seems to work fine. I've uplifted the RNS 510 f/w to 2764 and have the latest BT D series unit available. I guess I can try an alternative simcard and handset to see if its any different... if anyone else has any advice it's always welcome...
thanks anyways.
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