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Hi there,
I am going to buy a new car (well, a used one, but new for me) and I am looking for a good reliable handsfree which is known to work with a raphael.
What I want is: Phonebook synchronization (SIM + internal phonebook), voice dialling (i.e. you say the name of a contact in the phonebook. I don't need to be able to call an unknown number which is not in my phonebook by voice).
Radio muting.
I found some parrot devices (like mki9100), but some people had problems with parrot's handsfrees and windows mobile devices...
Does anyone own a handsfree which he can recommend?
What car do you own?
Yes parrott can have issues with WM devices, but it is very rare, i personally have never had a problem with the combination. Try and find out if your car manufacturer has a factory unit. I have an Audi and the TP works very well with all features.
Hope it helps
It will be a Volkswagen Golf V - Volkswagen has two handsfrees but the better of them costs about 900 EUR with installation/mounting because it is best inserted when the car is assembled... And it demands rSAP which causes problems with some HTC devices...
pen² said:
It will be a Volkswagen Golf V - Volkswagen has two handsfrees but the better of them costs about 900 EUR with installation/mounting because it is best inserted when the car is assembled... And it demands rSAP which causes problems with some HTC devices...
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rSAP works perfectly with the TP.
Parrot ck3100 works perfect with my pro!
It's good news that rsap works well with the device - maybe I can get the better VW handsfree installed for cheap when I buy the car...
For the Parrot ck3100 I have a question... In my old car I had a Parrot Rhythm'n'blue car radio with BT handsfree. The problem with the raphael was, when I have a contact John Doe who has a home and a mobile number, the handsfree would display two separate contacts for this:
John Doe / H
John Doe / M
Before this was one contact with multiple numbers which could be chosen by saying "private" or "mobile".
Is this still an issue with the ck3100?
I would recommend using the 3200LS it's colour, and you can specify what number you want by saying "Home, Mobile etc"
And you can store the picture of the person in the kit also
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000EPQ4C4/400001517-21/?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
mmh actually it's a bit too big for me - I was thinking of something smaller and more subtle like the Mki 9100 (http://www.parrot.com/uk/products/hands-free-car-kits/parrot-mki9100) or (but this would be more expensive) the FISCON (http://www.fiscon-mobile.eu/) which is possible with my car as it will have a touchscreen radio which will be used for displaying the address book etc.
I have an HP Ipaq 310 that has all of these and works great. It is also a navigation unit running IGO.
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mmh actually it's a bit too big for me - I was thinking of something smaller and more subtle like the Mki 9100 (http://www.parrot.com/uk/products/hands-free-car-kits/parrot-mki9100) or (but this would be more expensive) the FISCON (http://www.fiscon-mobile.eu/) which is possible with my car as it will have a touchscreen radio which will be used for displaying the address book etc.
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This is exactly like the RNS-E head unit that are fitted to Audi's Works a treat, but enjoy parting with €400
Has anyone had any problems pairing their X1 with any Nissan or Inifniti cars? There seem to be some mumblings on the web about their cars and WM6 devices and I've had no luck getting it to work on my '08 G35. Thanks.
bluetooth pairing
i just checked the aproved phone list for your g35 and the x1 is not aproved by infiniti. only certain phones will link to our cars others will not
I have an 08 G35 and have no prob. pairing it with my car. How are you pairing this up with the car?
it also depend if you both have navagation or not
elee888 said:
I have an 08 G35 and have no prob. pairing it with my car. How are you pairing this up with the car?
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I don't have the navigation so I just click the phone button, tell it I want to pair a new device, and have my X1 start searching. At least now I know it can be done. Thanks for the reply
Well... I do have the navigation. So maybe the pairing process is a little different. But it should work though, it even allows me to download the whole phonebook into the car. Something my other phones in the past did not allow me.
baashha said:
Managed to solve this now.
Of course both Merc & SE didn't have any good solutions.... so had to continue googling & XDA-ing... This is what I did:
i.) Jetware, as I posted earlier has been removed.
ii.) I still had the SAP Profile addition downloaded from one of the forums in XDA on.
iii.) Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys\COD
the default is 5898764 (Decimal) which is "Telephone (Smartphone)" which you would think would work. Changed to 5374476 (Decimal) which is a normal phone.
iv.) Restarted the phone.
v.) Started the pairing process from the car - failed as per before.
vi.) Started the pairing from the phone, and they work!!
Now, they pair automatically as how they would before....
Ram
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this is how i got mine working with my pioneer deck.
here's the link to the SAP Profile he was talking about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=997872&postcount=166
hope this works for you.
which PIoneer do you have?
I have the DEH-P5900IB and a BT adapter, and i can't get my X1 connect.
All my previous phones worked fine.
it looks like the X1 won't let me pair without passcode, and the radio says Error.
Do you mind explaining exactly how you did it?
Thanks
i have the DEH-790BT.
what i did was after i changed what i mentioned above, then i set my deck to be able to be noticed by other bluetooth devices, then added it through my X1. After I added it through my phone it said successfully connected on my deck and the phone displayed it connected as wireless stereo and hands free. now the only weird thing was it was trying to connect as both the wireless stereo and hands free which seemed to mess with the deck, so I had to turn off my ignition and turn my car back on for it to actually recognize the connection fully. oh and the passcode if you connect through the deck to phone like I did it should be default '0000' but i would check your manual just to be safe, and if your connecting through your phone to the deck (which i haven't tested so I don't know if it works) you can pick your own passcode, which i suggest just making 0000 or nothing.
I have a problem also with my HTC Touch HD (Blackstone)
I can pair with my Nissan Qashqai carkit but soun dis very bad, and the caller on the otherside doesn;t hear anything.
Strangly, but try, when during a call i switch from carkit to phone and back (using the options in my carkit/buttons on stearing wheel) everything is fine!
Checking the internet learned me that this is related to the bluetooth stack (or settings) in WM6.1 (and 6.5 also)
So does anybody have any idea how to solve this, maybe by registry changes or maybe by even "downgrading" the Bluetoorh stack to 6.0 or maybe even 5.x.
Maybe it is also possible to replace the complete MS stack for an other stack?
I have a problem where my HD2 does not work properly with my Land Rover Freelander 2 in-built bluetooth car kit.
The HD2 pairs with the car and I can search my phone book, see my last dialled number, I can even dial a number, BUT, the phone does not connect properly - the car radio should cut out and phone audio come through the car speakers, but instead the radio just continues to play. And shortly after the call is connected to the other party the line is terminated.
My Nokia phone works perfectly with my car, but this phone does not. Even my Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 did not for properly with the Freelander 2.
I did manage to make one successful call, but after I stopped and restarted the car, the problem returned!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
So, does any one know of a fix? Surely hands free/car kit is a standard?
Help!
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
Paired it with my Pioneer FH-P80BT on my way to sell my 3GS and recieved a call. Got the same issue as described above - just a bug i presume.
I'm experiancing similar problems. All works fine (incoming call's or outgoing call's) but they get disconnected randomly it seems. I'm using a JVX NX7000 by the way. No problem with my iPhone. Hope they fix it soon!
I tested it with my BMW Idrive last night which is notoriously difficult and it worked fine, I was really surprised tbh! But was able to recieve and make calls, the stereo cut out and could see the phone book too. With my N82 i was only ever able to make/receive calls.
Same problem - Jaguar XF - it docks ok but I have to initiate calls from car (vs phone). Just some weirdness going on...
glenner05 said:
same problem here. i have a bluetooth car stereo. Always worked fine with my previous HTC's. But now with the HD2 i get the exact same problems as you... I think it's software bug. i have rom version 1.43.404.1 NLD
i hope this gets sorted out cause i use bluetooth audio streaming a lot in the car....same for handsfree calling
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Mercedes brutality
I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
I have a Nissan Pathfinder; it paired ok, and dials from the Pathy without probs. Ringtone is ok too. Sound quality seems better than my old Tytn so all in all v happy.
Doesn't stream music, but that's Nissan's fault, not HTC.
Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
HTC HD2 Pairing with a Freelander 2 - SUCESS!!!
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Hello i have same problem with my BMW X5. Can you explain better your steps ?
graemenwallace said:
Success!!!
So far so good, I applied a known change to the HD2 registry and I am now making and answering calls without fuss!
Change Registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Sys
Add the DWORD setting COD=5374476
This makes devices see the HD2 as a 'Normal' phone.
Hope this helps everyone.
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Interesting, I have a similar problem with my 2009 BMW 3 I explain here (sorry I posted before discovering this thread) and I'll try your registry tweak.
But you say that it is "a known change" to the HD2, could you tell us where you saw it ? Is there another discussion about the BT stack somewhere or more generaly about the Widcomm implementation in the HD2 ?
The HD2 being so recent and in short supply, I'm a bit surprised something like that is "well known"
Thanks for your help.
It works !
graemenwallace, I just tried after applying your tweak and... OMG, this is AWSOME man, it just WORKS !
I still just have one gripe though, it seems that the car doesn't always receive the RF level correctly at the first connection. Sometimes it sees the phone as having no carrier at all (no bars in the RX level display), preventing the car to make any calls, but as soon as I receive a call, the level resets to full bars and I can pick the call and make calls myself after that.
When the first call comes in, I can see the display with no bars and a "?" appearing on top of it for a short time before it becomes full bars.
So there is still some compatibility problems, but at least now I can pick-up incoming calls without risking my life.
So I suppose you are a potential life saver then
Thanks mate,
Yves.
Bluetooth is working YES with JVC KD-AVX44 ADV49
After the registry tweak from graemenwallace the bluetooth connection is working properly with my car radio (JVC KD-AVX44/KD-ADV49).
The phone functions ok now (incoming & outgoing calls) Also the AD2P connection is super (very good sound)
Also the ID3 tags are functioning (didn't function with the X1 Xperia)
I see the track title now into the JVC display
Skipping etc. all is functioning. I will tell HTC about it because I have a ticket running for this issue. I think they have to solve this issue
Big thanks for this trick
By doing a little search on the net, it seems like graemenwallace suggested that this problem is not new with smartphones that identify themselves as such.
The tweak above forces the BT stack of the phone to identify itself as a standard phone instead of a smartphone.
What's puzzling is that my BMW handsfree worked with other smartphones so far, including the iphone.
Anyway, it's ok now, but I wonder what bad press this will cause to HTC.
The majority of the users are unaware of this kind of wizardry and this justs adds up to the long list of bugs of the HD2.
When I first got the phone a few days ago I was rapidly convinced to return it immediatly as it's fancy interface wasn't enough to overcome all the shortcomings. It was plain unusable as a business phone.
Now after applying most of the tweaks, it begins to show potential, but HTC really has to work on the problems we can't fix by tweaking the registry.
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
jah said:
Works fine with the Ford BT system in the Ford Focus (2009).
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Does your Ford system have the Bluetooth audio choice?
I get my Ford Focus changed every six months coz i'm a driving instructor and it comes as part of the deal.
On my last Ford Focus my htc tytn 2 connected ok and I could make and receive calls ok.
However, when the new car was delivered the Ford system had bluetooth audio choice and ipod integration which the other one didn't.
Now my htc tytn 2 didn't connect very well at all.
Now with my HD2 it does connect only if I have the bluetooth audio profile selected.
But now the music player keeps appearing and wants to play music all the time. If I pause the music on the phone it just starts replaying.
Anyway I will try the registry tweak in this thread and hopefully that will solve the problem.
Paul.
Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I have the same problem. I`ll try to pair my HD2 with MB C-klass using SAP but i can`t get them connected it seems like a SAP adaptor can`t activate a PIN input window on HD2 (i guess). With other phones it works perfect (tryed with Nokia 5800, 6500).
Shark_Abuser said:
I have a new Mercedes C, and when the HD2 is connected over bluetooth I get an extremely loud, strange ringtone when receiving a call. It is so loud it could really make your shoes go off.
Also it is none of the ringtones available to choose from, inside the phone - it sounds more like a BIOS beep from a PC and hits me while the normal ringtone is playing as well.
It definitely comes from the phone, not from the car stereo. I have not figured out how to resolve this, I think it is outright dangerous for unprepared drivers.
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could you pls describe, how did get them paired? when i try to pair them, i see the device`s id, try to "call" it, see pin code and after that i hear the descending tone. and it nothing occurs. SAP is enabled, device is discoverable, what else? Any idea?
Jolig said:
I tried this also, but for me it didn't work.
But my situation is a bit different, as I am not able to connect the HD2 through the Sim Access Profile with my car, which is an Audi A6 mit Bluetooth preparation and I have also the Audi rSAP Adaptor installed in the centre arm rest.
My problem is, that I get a connection to the car, but SAP does not activate and I can't get access to my phonebook - so I only have kind of a handsfree profile...
Am I right that you all use the handsfree profile in your cars and no SAP?
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I feel your pain, my wife has a GolfPlus and the rSAP instalation is crap.
It's overly expensive and useless if you don't have one of the few phones compatible with it.
Unfortunately, many customers are falling in this trap, thinking it is a standard handsfree, but it is not, it is a full GSM build-in which only access your phone SIM card to log into the network and download your contacts.
In the case of my wife, the dealer was honest and clearly stated that it was a mistake to order this option.
The only problem is that he had no other alternative than proposing an Parrot retrofit which wasn't really an option for me as it wasn't integrated in the car and certainly not in the navigation system.
But internet is your friend and the solution is quite simple, the Kufatec kit.
This is brilliant, it is a small box that connects to the CAN bus of many german cars and integrates perfectly into existing navigators, it uses the steering wheels command buttons and so on.
It is much better (more functions) than original BT options, is tailored to each brand so that the displays are in the same style as the original ones etc.
More interesting, it is field upgradable (just a laptop with BT) so that it is potentialy compatible with anything existing or not yet.
And it only costs a fraction of this crappy rSAP option.
In your case, the good news is that it can simply replace your actual rSAP kit for a minimal installation fee. (the CAN bus has to be reprogramed however, so professional instalation needed)
There is another solution: to replace the unit you have (it is situated under the driver's seat) by a skoda unit. This unit has the same connector but is simple handsfree instead of rSAP.
Hope this helps.
Hi there,
I am planning to buy this very nice phone. However, I own a BMW 1 series (sept 2007) with a factory build in bluetooth carkit (BMW iDrive system) and I was wondering whether this phone will work without any troubles on this carkit. Maybe some of you are using a similar combination. Google and this forum don't give me much information, but maybe that's a good sign?
I hope you can help me!
ruudonline said:
Hi there,
I am planning to buy this very nice phone. However, I own a BMW 1 series (sept 2007) with a factory build in bluetooth carkit (BMW iDrive system) and I was wondering whether this phone will work without any troubles on this carkit. Maybe some of you are using a similar combination. Google and this forum don't give me much information, but maybe that's a good sign?
I hope you can help me!
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Well it works on my 525 series yr 2009. Even the names gts displayed on the screen .
Ok thank you!
I think I will give it a try.
I used to have a HTC Blackstone that worked perfectly with my BMW serie 1 and I now switched to the HTC Legend... The phone's great but I had issues with my car...
First I tried connecting it to the carkit (had a long trip to do), it was a bit tricky, and didn't try phonecall...
Then someone called me, the carkit just rang and I couldn't talk in the implemented microphones, neither the speakers didn't link the sound ... I had to stop the car and answer directly on the phone.
Half an hour later, I was using the GPS, listening to the radio, the radio just stopped and then followed all the Idrive system !
It came back few minutes later, as i drove back home...
My car may have issues but I tend to think the phone isn't so innocent about all this...
I have a BMW Series3, and although I can make calls alright, I can see my phonebook, neither does it logs calls...
Please, can somebody already having MR2 in X2 check availability of rSAP profile under bluetooth options? Thanks!
under the profiles tab they are as follows;
A2DP
HSP
HFP 1.5
Pan
Opp
AVRCP
PBAP
SPP
SEWP
GAP
GAVDP
GOEP
no rSAP
Thanks for quick reply
So it seems no improvement against MR1
Does anybody know whether some modifications/adds of Setup_BT_extensions.CAB installing BT profiles can make rSAP working?
Maybe similar *.CAB from an other device as HD2 can be installed? Ideas?
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What's the importance of rSAP profile?
I read the other day that the miss of rSAP cause problems on some Bluetooth audio wireless car kits.
My X2 works without a glitch on my 2009 Mitsubishi Lancer with a Parrot MKi9000 device. Also, the other day I've tried my X2 on a 2010 Audi A4 with original Audi factory Bluetooth wireless kit, no problems either.
Cheers.
Jolo_ said:
What's the importance of rSAP profile?
I read the other day that the miss of rSAP cause problems on some Bluetooth audio wireless car kits.
My X2 works without a glitch on my 2009 Mitsubishi Lancer with a Parrot MKi9000 device. Also, the other day I've tried my X2 on a 2010 Audi A4 with original Audi factory Bluetooth wireless kit, no problems either.
Cheers.
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Mitsubishi Lancer is NOT using rSAP (remote SIM access). It pair with you phone as a regular Bluetooth hands free - mean that even when paired, all phone calls are still received and pass thru your phone. rSAP is complettely different story and brings all new functionality and user experience. Via rSAP (google it if you want to go to more technical details) your phone "borrow" his SIM card ID to the car, transfer phone book, SMS and sometimes e-mails to the car so you can see/use them on your car main display/navi etc... and then phone itself switch off his radio and goes in stand by mode. What's the difference ? To make calls you are using car's external antenna, car's amplifier, and build in car audio system - as a result you get MUCH BETTER reception even in areas where network coverage is not good and CRYSTAL CLEAR sound. This is included (since 2005) in All premium quality cars/models of All car manufacturers. As example for sure is included in my Mercedes C-class (who is even "lower end" compared with E and S-class models). It is also included in BMW, Audi, Toyota (premium quality models only), Lexus, Skoda, WV (premium models and as an option for low-end models.
NOTE: rSAP Bluetooth kit is considered "optional" for Audi A4 as it adds premium experience - in A6 or A8 should be "standard" and included without need to order it as an option.
MatoV said:
Does anybody know whether some modifications/adds of Setup_BT_extensions.CAB installing BT profiles can make rSAP working?
Maybe similar *.CAB from an other device as HD2 can be installed? Ideas?
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I have already tried every .cab from HTC published here - unfortunately noone have worked :-(
Btw - same cabs have worked for X1, so I guess there are some differences in BT chip...
I would be also happy if someone find a solution...
timekille said:
Mitsubishi Lancer is NOT using rSAP (remote SIM access). It pair with you phone as a regular Bluetooth hands free - mean that even when paired, all phone calls are still received and pass thru your phone. rSAP is complettely different story and brings all new functionality and user experience. Via rSAP (google it if you want to go to more technical details) your phone "borrow" his SIM card ID to the car, transfer phone book, SMS and sometimes e-mails to the car so you can see/use them on your car main display/navi etc... and then phone itself switch off his radio and goes in stand by mode. What's the difference ? To make calls you are using car's external antenna, car's amplifier, and build in car audio system - as a result you get MUCH BETTER reception even in areas where network coverage is not good and CRYSTAL CLEAR sound. This is included (since 2005) in All premium quality cars/models of All car manufacturers. As example for sure is included in my Mercedes C-class (who is even "lower end" compared with E and S-class models). It is also included in BMW, Audi, Toyota (premium quality models only), Lexus, Skoda, WV (premium models and as an option for low-end models.
NOTE: rSAP Bluetooth kit is considered "optional" for Audi A4 as it adds premium experience - in A6 or A8 should be "standard" and included without need to order it as an option.
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I understand. Thank you for your explanation.
One question: the Apple iPhone supports rSAP?
Cheers.
@Jolo_
I've heard from my friend that it was implemented with one of their last OS updates, so it's probably available on 3G and 3GS (not in original iPhone)
Anyone tested this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372529
hertell said:
Anyone tested this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372529
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Yes, I have tested this - cab installs successfuly, car kit pairs with the phone (after enter 16 digit code) and then drops and phone says "Connection failed, try again when phone is ready" So nop - it didn't work...