I am not an expert on the whole 3G frequency, etc. so hopefully this doesn't sound dumb but... I am just curious to know which version of the phone (900/AWS/2100 or 850/1900/2100) is most preferable to own if we were to (someday) use the phone internationally.
For example, for Canada, it looks like the AT&T Nexus One works on most major Canadian carriers for 3G, while the T-Mobile version only works on WIND.
What about the rest of the world? Because I believe the majority use 900/1800??? I'm so confused!
Thanks!
most of the world actually uses 2100mhz for 3g so it doesnt matter too much but some of europe also uses the 900mhz band so the tmo version might be a little better. but if you are going to south america/australia/canada i think they use 850mhz there
Ah, okay. I was just curious.
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This broke my heart... and I work for T-Mobile. Why on earth would HTC/SE make a phone that practically every company in the world can use with 3G, but not T-Mobile!? Frustrated.
gregnm369 said:
This broke my heart... and I work for T-Mobile. Why on earth would HTC/SE make a phone that practically every company in the world can use with 3G, but not T-Mobile!? Frustrated.
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Then why don't you blame T-mobile for building their 3G network on 2100mzh while there others are using 850/900/1900 for YEARS?
jackleung said:
Then why don't you blame T-mobile for building their 3G network on 2100mzh while there others are using 850/900/1900 for YEARS?
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AT&T is 2100mhz... T-Mobile USA is 1700mhz
Uh...ATT is 850/1900, FYI. Tmobile is 1700/2100 both, not either or.
jvs60 said:
Uh...ATT is 850/1900, FYI. Tmobile is 1700/2100 both, not either or.
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That's strange. A G1 is unlockable to ATT, but only supports UMTS 1700/2100. The G1's in our store access 3G just fine. My X1i won't access anything but EDGE (not 3G). Since the G1 supports 1700 and X1i does not, this is the logical deduction that the X1i doesn't support the same standard that the G1 does which is T-Mobile USA 3G
gregnm369 said:
Why on earth would HTC/SE make a phone that practically every company in the world can use with 3G, but not T-Mobile!?
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hmmm... let me state it upside down:
"Why on earth would T-MOBILE chose a band NOT USED BY ANY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD ??"
Sounds better this way
Or... you can say it like this:
"Why on earth would HTC/SE or ANY other phone maker include in all their phones a band that is ONLY USED by T-MOBILE ??"
This one is even worst
PS: It's true, T-Mobile is the ONLY operator using the 1700+2100 martian band don't blame phone makers
And beware: it is NOT "1700 & 2100" but "1700 PLUS 2100" (one band for uplink and the other band for downlink)
SUCH A FREAK !!
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AT&T is 2100mhz... T-Mobile USA is 1700mhz
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Are you kidding me that you are working for a carrier and you don't even know what bands your company (or your competitor) is using? I am starting to understand why you would blame the phone manufacture now ....
Why would HTC/SE make a phone that practically every company in the world can use with 3G, but not T-Mobile?
Why would T-mobile chose a 3G band (1700+2100mhz) not used by any other company in the world?
It's really quite complicated, so I'll keep it simple (although the details won't be very clear).
It's neither HTC/SE nor T-mobile's fault. Unlike in Europe, the American government (FCC) does not define or reserve specific bands (1900mhz, 2100mhz, etc) for specific technologies (GSM, UMTS, CDMA, etc). The US government also does not want to reallocate bands that are already being used, even if it's for older technology. Since VoiceStream (Tmo before Deutsche Telekom bought it) didn't have any money to buy spectrum in advance for 3G, that pretty much means that T-mobile has had to settle for whatever bands are leftover.
T-mobile wanted to keep their US 3G bands the same as in Europe, but the lower half (uplink) is already occupied by another technology (which the FCC cannot or will not vacate). So the only choice was to launch 3G on the 1700+2100mhz "AWS" band, or have no 3G at all. And without 3G, AT&T would have a monopoly on UMTS, Tmo would lose business with only 2G, and we as customers would suffer in the long run (especially since without competition, AT&T could keep its prices artificially high).
For the other points, contrary to popular belief, Tmo is not the only carrier in the world that runs a UMTS network in the 1700mhz range. Carrier e-Mobile in Japan runs a UMTS 1700 network. It is slightly different than Tmo's AWS because e-Mobile uses 1700-uplink/1800-downlink (UMTS Band IX) while Tmo uses 1700-uplink/2100-downlink (UMTS Band IV) and is therefore still incompatible. However, as with the G1, it is fully possible to build a radio that can switch between "overlapping" modes (eg: 1700+2100 and 1900+2100* on the G1), it just isn't very cost-effective to make those radios at the moment.
*1900+2100 does not mean AT&T's UMTS 1900mhz network. It's 1900mhz uplink and 2100mhz downlink, and you can see the specific frequency differences here (UMTS Bands I and II).
Keep in mind (and this is a more general point): GSM started off with most phones being only dual-mode (900/1800mhz or 850/1900mhz), but after the technology matured tri- and quad-band radios became commonplace, and now quad-GSM phones are found everywhere. In time we might see a penta-band (850/900/1700/1900/2100) "global" UMTS radio become standard on all phones -- just not with the X1. Then again, by the time we see penta-radios, we will move on to 4G, and with the current split between WiMAX and LTE, we will probably have these same headaches all over again.
So if you want someone to blame, blame the FCC for being unable or unwilling to harmonize the US wireless spectrum with other global standards. Tmo, HTC, and SE are merely just trying to play the cards dealt to them.
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You might also stop to consider: it is still possible for SE to release a Tmo-capable X1 (let's call it the X1t), but the only advantage is that it would work with Tmo, and thus only Tmo customers would buy it (unlike the X1a which can work with any 850/1900/2100mhz carrier, not just AT&T). That makes it cost-prohibitive at the moment. Furthermore, since it would be sold in the American market, the Qualcomm patent restrictions would still apply, and you would end up with the MSM7201A processor which many X1a users have been complaining about. There is just no perfect answer.
Thank you for clarifying. I learned something from that.
I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
DeadShawn said:
I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
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And what, might I ask, is an "ATT Nexus one"? Nexus one is sold and branded by GOOGLE. It has UMTS 900/1700/2100. This is NOT the same as ATT frequencies, which are, as you mention, 850/1900.
The difference is that ATT has an EDGE network and GN1 supports EDGE at 850/900/1800/1900. BELUS does NOT.
If you want to use GN1 in Canada, I recommend you switch providers to WIND. Their rates are WAY better, and they run on UMTS 1700/2100, which is compatible with GN1.
I get a really *really* good deal with Telus. Unlimited data, more txt and minuets then ill ever use, all the extras (caller id, voice mail) and all for under $45. I make good use of the unlimited data via tethering.
Switching from telus isn't an option.
Oh, and sorry for calling it an ATT Nexus One, I was simply implying it was available on the ATT network, my mistake.
The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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that's pretty much the information I was looking for, thank you.
I want to get a Nexus S for myself, the unlocked without contract one, because I would like to use it in my home country (Malaysia).
So I would like to confirm one thing before I proceed:
I saw this from BestBuy forum FAQs:
Will an unlocked Nexus S work with carriers other than T-Mobile?
Yes, but it won’t run on 3G with all carriers. Speed and power will be reduced on non-3G networks.
Is that means that even though Nexus S did support the 3G band of my home country, it won't run on the 3G network?! Means that I can't use the 3G in my home country?
Anyone have answer for this? Anyone tried buy N1 and got the 3G working in country outside US?
gotta be 1700/2100 MHz i believe
Wont' work. Malaysia uses 2100mhz band for 3G.
The Nexus S on T-Mobile uses BOTH 1700/2100mhz AT THE SAME TIME for 3G.
It will work fine since the 3G band in Malaysia is 2100MHz and the Nexus S supports those bands.
I had the Nexus One (T-Mobile Version) in Thailand and it worked perfectly fine on 2100MHz 3G. My N900 worked as well.
Don't listen to nxt or slowz3r they have no idea of what they are talking about.
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Anyone have answer for this? Anyone tried buy N1 and got the 3G working in country outside US?
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You wont have a problem with most 3g phones in Malaysia - most of the rest of the world uses standard frequencies and the nexus s and nexus 1 work just fine.
If a phone works in Europe then it'll be fine in malaysia, and indeed most of the rest of the world.
Most of the noise on here is from people in the US where there are some weird frequencies being used... you can only use 3g on T-Mobile there -at+t uses different frequencies, and sprint and Verizon use a completely different technology.
Thank you for all the useful replies!
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If I understood right at least some DVPs have radios capable of using both T-Mobile US's 3G network and European 3G networks. Has anyone tried this? Are we sure that all DVPs have the same radios? Or do the European ones have the US frequencies disabled or something?
Thanks in advance for any info,
Tom
The US ones have AWS for TMOUS, and European 900/2100.
Whether they will actually provision correctly and be usable w/ 3G services in non-US locales is anyone's guess. The US DVP has only just recently been unlockable and I don't think we have had any reports of actual int'l roaming success yet.
I think its been mentioned in the unlocking thread that people have used it in Europe and from the listing of the DVP I've seen the specs indicate its has the exact frequencies as the US one. I would expect it to work, unless Dell has done something really screwy (but thats not impossible) but hopefully someone can confirm for sure.
People are claiming that European DVPs have AWS 3G support? I don't think so.
Although it is conceivable that it's there and simply unadvertised, I believe non-US DVPs have 900/2100 *only*.
US DVPs have 900/2100 *and* AWS.
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People are claiming that European DVPs have AWS 3G support? I don't think so.
Although it is conceivable that it's there and simply unadvertised, I believe non-US DVPs have 900/2100 *only*.
US DVPs have 900/2100 *and* AWS.
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Actually I was referring to people with US handsets being used in Europe, not the other way round. And its possible the Euro version is hte same as the US one, looking at a video of a DVP released in India it shows the same frequencies as the US one, and Clove also lists the same 3G frequencies so I would lean towards all DVP's bring usable in Europe and the US.
With today's big news, what's the point?
Once AT&T shuts off AWS UMTS in a year or so we are all gonna be left with paperweights anyway.
tai4de2 said:
With today's big news, what's the point?
Once AT&T shuts off AWS UMTS in a year or so we are all gonna be left with paperweights anyway.
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NAY, I SAY THEE NAY!!!!!!!! Could be right though, but I was planning on ditching the DVP for a penta band Nokia so I guess I'll be ok - save for being on at&t!
3G works here
They are saying it will take "several years" to transition T-Mobile users. Lets hope the regulators see sense and block it in any case...
So I have a European DVP now. Anyone know of an app that will tell me the radio frequencies it supports? The System Info one doesn't seem to.
It supports 900 and 2100.
How did you find that out? The box says UMTS 2100/1700/900.
The European box says the phone inside supports 1700?
my US T-mobile DVP (unlocked) works fine on tmobile Germany and I get about 3000k download 2500k upload. I am in a fairly bad region for network speeds. But I have hit upwards of 7000k download in some bigger cities.
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The European box says the phone inside supports 1700?
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Hi guys,
I picked up an SGSII from Expansys and it runs no problem on Fido up in Canada. I'm taking a trip down to the US next month and was wondering which of the big carriers in the states would run the SGSII. I figure AT&T would, but as the phone is quad-band, I'm not 100% sure if there are other national carriers that would do the trick.
Thanks!
FK
fusionknight said:
Hi guys,
I picked up an SGSII from Expansys and it runs no problem on Fido up in Canada. I'm taking a trip down to the US next month and was wondering which of the big carriers in the states would run the SGSII. I figure AT&T would, but as the phone is quad-band, I'm not 100% sure if there are other national carriers that would do the trick.
Thanks!
FK
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Of the major US carriers, it will work on ATT and T-Mobile. It will only get 3g on AT&T as the SGS2 doesn't support TMO's 3g bands.
Hmm. I'm a little confused. The wikipedia page for T-Mobile says that their 3G bands are 2100MHz and 1700MHz. The SGSII apparently has 2100MHz as one of the accepted frequencies (again according to wiki). How come 3G won't work on T-Mobile?
Presumably, the phone won't work on Verizon because, while the frequencies match, Verizon is running on CDMA and the SGSII only supports GSM. Right?
Thanks again!
fusionknight said:
Hmm. I'm a little confused. The wikipedia page for T-Mobile says that their 3G bands are 2100MHz and 1700MHz. The SGSII apparently has 2100MHz as one of the accepted frequencies (again according to wiki). How come 3G won't work on T-Mobile?
Presumably, the phone won't work on Verizon because, while the frequencies match, Verizon is running on CDMA and the SGSII only supports GSM. Right?
Thanks again!
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T-Mo US needs 1700 and 2100, not just 2100. Att uses 850 or 1900. 3G won't work on T-Mo
No matter what it says on paper, there's a couple of people here that have tried the phone on T-Mobile U.S and get EDGE speed downloads.
Good stuff. Thanks for the help guys.