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T8185= EU, T9193 = AUS, which model is available in Asia?

I'm just a little bit confused. read up on a bunch of posts here that talks about the different models there are right now..
from what i've gathered
US t mobile = pretty much T8185 but with 1gh rom
EU = T8185
AU = t9193 with 850 band frequency coverage
so which version do retailers in asia carry?
thanks all.
cheers.

ok..I want to correct you...in europe the HTC HD2 is T8585

t8585 model

thanks for the help!

Determine Model of Phone?
I just received my HD2 from an internet retailer, and 3g doesn't work with T-mobile US.
In band selection it has 900 and 2100 as UMTS options and no mention of 1700.
How do I determine exactly which model I have in my possession? I'd like to have all the facts before I ***** these guys out and demand a new and correct phone.
I tried to check the radio and rom versions, but I couldn't see way to tell the versions apart.
ROM 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWE
Radio 2.08.50.08_2
Ram size 576mb

If you want a phone that is compatible with TMobile in the US, you need to buy it from... drumroll... TMobile in the US. No one else is compatible on their 3G net.
The TMoUS will have TMobile right across the top of the screen.
The 9193 will have NextG and "T" on the lower third of the back case.
The 8585 will be completely unbranded, as far as I know?

I'm living in Singapore, bought mine from starhub,
The model is T8585 and supports all frequencies [HSPA/WCDMA/GSM/GPRS/EDGE (900/2100/850/900/1800/1900 MHz)] , so it'll work everywhere

Qazz~ said:
I'm living in Singapore, bought mine from starhub,
The model is T8585 and supports all frequencies [HSPA/WCDMA/GSM/GPRS/EDGE (900/2100/850/900/1800/1900 MHz)] , so it'll work everywhere
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You only have 3g on 900 and 2100 with that model, though. All the models have gsm working on all the bands, so you can get regular service everywhere.

mazzarin said:
If you want a phone that is compatible with TMobile in the US, you need to buy it from... drumroll... TMobile in the US. No one else is compatible on their 3G net.
The TMoUS will have TMobile right across the top of the screen.
The 9193 will have NextG and "T" on the lower third of the back case.
The 8585 will be completely unbranded, as far as I know?
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Thanks for the info mazzarin,
Somehow 3g started working.... maybe I just needed to leave the house. 3g was showing in the status bar before, but failing to connect. My phone says T-mobile across the top, and the UPC on the box seems to be a US phone; however, under settings-->wireless control-->phone-->Band it still lists UMTS (2100+900 as an option), which doesn't make sense.
Any idea what this means?

MrBunnyWab said:
Thanks for the info mazzarin,
Somehow 3g started working.... maybe I just needed to leave the house. 3g was showing in the status bar before, but failing to connect. My phone says T-mobile across the top, and the UPC on the box seems to be a US phone; however, under settings-->wireless control-->phone-->Band it still lists UMTS (2100+900 as an option), which doesn't make sense.
Any idea what this means?
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The Telstra 850+2100 phones say the same thing. Just ignore it. The bands are determined by the hardware amplifier circuits on the phone anyway. You have the TMOUS HD2, so you are fine. (Other than their tiny network )

The network may be tiny, but 2mb/s down and 1 up is pretty good. Coming from AT&T service, I'm impressed with the speed. Now I can't just leave any major city

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Qazz~ said:
I'm living in Singapore, bought mine from starhub,
The model is T8585 and supports all frequencies [HSPA/WCDMA/GSM/GPRS/EDGE (900/2100/850/900/1800/1900 MHz)] , so it'll work everywhere
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zarathustrax said:
You only have 3g on 900 and 2100 with that model, though. All the models have gsm working on all the bands, so you can get regular service everywhere.
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k..im confused
here in canada, rogers uses 850/1900 for the 3G
if i get an unbranded T8585 from asia, will it support the 850/1900 for 3G?

kl25 said:
k..im confused
here in canada, rogers uses 850/1900 for the 3G
if i get an unbranded T8585 from asia, will it support the 850/1900 for 3G?
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im not looking this up to double check, ill leave that to you but I think the telstra works in canada.

samsamuel said:
im not looking this up to double check, ill leave that to you but I think the telstra works in canada.
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yea i know about telstra..but as you may also know..its very expensive..close to $850 canadian
maybe i should be more clear with my question..and that's getting a t8585 from hong kong specifically, or anywhere else in china for that matter..

ahh yea, the price factor. well as already mentioned by zarathustrax the t8585 (same in europe as asia, , same phone, same bands )only does UMTS on 900/2100, so no 3g, edge only i'm afraid.

samsamuel said:
ahh yea, the price factor. well as already mentioned by zarathustrax the t8585 (same in europe as asia, , same phone, same bands )only does UMTS on 900/2100, so no 3g, edge only i'm afraid.
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that really sucks...canada is always the slowest at getting good phones...
i guess i just have to wait it out and see if anyone will sell the telstra at a good price..cant believe some ppl spent $900 on that phone... :S

3G international compatibility

Hi there guys! Now that the phones are finally shipping, can anyone please test the real band compatibility? I want to buy an unlocked G2 and use it here in Italy, but only if I can get at least a fully working 3G connection.
Please fellas, I badly need this info..
Thanks

Neuromansa said:
Hi there guys! Now that the phones are finally shipping, can anyone please test the real band compatibility? I want to buy an unlocked G2 and use it here in Italy, but only if I can get at least a fully working 3G connection.
Please fellas, I badly need this info..
Thanks
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No such luck chief. The only 3G band on the G2 is AWS. It will only work on carriers like T-Mobile (USA), and Wind (Canada).
The stock Desire Z, however, has HSDPA 900 / 2100 and should work in most non-US countries on 3G, but check your carriers bands first. The downside, Desire Z has 1.5 GB storage, the G2 has 4 GB.

Neuromansa said:
Hi there guys! Now that the phones are finally shipping, can anyone please test the real band compatibility? I want to buy an unlocked G2 and use it here in Italy, but only if I can get at least a fully working 3G connection.
Please fellas, I badly need this info..
Thanks
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Unfortunately I think you are going to be disappointed. I posted a buzz about this a while back. You can look at page 3 of the test report in the FCC submission. The nutshell summary is that the device will only support Band IV for 3G, or in other words T-Mo US' UMTS 1700. This is unfortunate since I used my unlocked G1 quite a lot overseas, thanks to its UMTS 900/2100.
You'll probably have to go with a Desire Z if you want this device with European radios.

Can't believe it's for real...I mean, the 2-year-old G1 does that...and what about people working overseas?
That's a MAJOR fault from T-Mobile, and it's totally weird to say the least.

Neuromansa said:
and what about people working overseas?
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Perhaps tmo figures that frequent int'l travelers are a small enough percentage of their userbase that omitting the Band I poweramp was worth the cost savings?

Oh, it gets better. I only paid attention to the UMTS bands when I read the report, assuming that any modern smartphone would be a quad-band GSM device. Turns out the G2 is only GSM 850/1900, which means this device is truly unusable in Europe and Asia.

Wait a minute, what GSM bands are used in Asia?
The HTC site says otherwise : http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-g2#tech-specs

According to T-Mobile and HTC sites specs, the phone is GSM quad band (850, 900, 1800, 1900).
The HTC site says "UMTS: Yes"

Superfrag said:
Wait a minute, what GSM bands are used in Asia?
The HTC site says otherwise : http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-g2#tech-specs
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Europe and Asia are GSM 900/1800, generally. What is interesting is that the HTC page claims the G2 is quadband, but the FCC testing documents don't show any 900/1800 data at all. The phone cannot legally operate in the U.S. in that band unless testing data has been submitted to the FCC. I'm wondering if HTC marketing just c&p from the Desire Z specs and forgot to edit the GSM infos. We'll see soon enough I suppose.

it doesn't make sense why they would release a phone that wasnt quad band. it must be a mistake. it is like power seats on a luxury car. it's just there lol.

So a unlocked G2 could be used on WINDs network here in Canada (because they use the same frequency), can some one confirm this please

PremiumReview said:
So a unlocked G2 could be used on WINDs network here in Canada (because they use the same frequency), can some one confirm this please
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Wind uses AWS (UMTS Band IV)... So, yes. But if they do not have HSPA+ enhancements you won't get the famed and promised super speed. The phone should be able to be used on USA (T-Mobile, Cincinnati Bell Wireless), Canada (WIND Mobile, Mobilicity, Videotron)

Based on the G1 test reports...
... the bands listed in the FCC test reports are not at all definitive.
I pulled the FCC exhibits for the G1 and they listed:
GSM 850
GSM 1900
WCDMA Band IV
(plus 802.11 etc)
In other words, no Band I.
However, I've been successfully using my G1 on 3G in both Europe and Asia for over a year now, so it actually has Band I.
I suspect the FCC tests only cover the frequencies that the device is going to be used on *in the US*. Frequencies the device may or may not be capable of using outside the US just aren't relevant.
That being said, the more significant detail is that the T-mobile site lists the G2 as only having Band IV, even though it lists the Vibrant as having Bands I and IV. Looking at other phones, it seems that T-mobile isn't terribly consistent in how they list their frequencies, but that's a (relatively) slim thread to hang onto.

crr127 said:
it doesn't make sense why they would release a phone that wasnt quad band. it must be a mistake. it is like power seats on a luxury car. it's just there lol.
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It is quad-band -- for GSM -- as all (most?) modern non-CDMA phones (and some of those) are. But the OP question is about 3G.

ravi_n said:
I suspect the FCC tests only cover the frequencies that the device is going to be used on *in the US*. Frequencies the device may or may not be capable of using outside the US just aren't relevant.
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Good sleuthing. I didn't consider this possibility.
That being said, the more significant detail is that the T-mobile site lists the G2 as only having Band IV, even though it lists the Vibrant as having Bands I and IV. Looking at other phones, it seems that T-mobile isn't terribly consistent in how they list their frequencies, but that's a (relatively) slim thread to hang onto.
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I wouldn't put it past T-mo to have just messed up the detail.
I suppose the easiest way to determine would be for someone with an unlocked G2 (or even a locked unit) to take it to Europe or Asia and see if the system status shows UMTS signal or not.

Unlocked G2 Australian user
Hey Guys,
I actually received my G2 a few days ago. Yesterday i purchased an unlock code and entered this in to the phone which it advised was accepted.
The device then rebooted, however once the system loaded i noticed my signal bar had an "x" through it.
Browsed to Network Operators and tried selecting to search for networks and also to select automatically. Both of these selections returned an error "error searching for network" or every second try it would say "unable to connect to network".
I tried a factory reset of my phone but still the same issue.
I tried dialing *#*#4636#*#* which opens a testing screen. I noticed on this screen i can see i have a signal of -85 dBm which is similar to on my galaxy s.
Tried playing with the settings on this screen, i had the option to select network band to which i alternated between all options including auto and AUS, AUS2.
I can confirm this is a Vodafone simcard and it works perfectly in other phones.
I tried a Telstra, 3 and a friends Vodafone simacard all of which produced the same error.
I noticed there are several Australian sites selling unlocked Tmobile G2's.
At this point i would like to try flashing the stock rom on again however i am not sure on the button combo to access the recovery screen.
Last thing to note is yes i have spoke with Vodafone, HTC AU and HTC US, none of the techs were able to help me. =(

TheRiceKing said:
I tried dialing *#*#4636#*#* which opens a testing screen. I noticed on this screen i can see i have a signal of -85 dBm which is similar to on my galaxy s.
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What was the network type when you saw the -85 dBm signal?

jashsu said:
What was the network type when you saw the -85 dBm signal?
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Just checked right now and it says,
Signal stregth -91dBm 11 asu
Under Network Type it says unkown CID is also unkown.

Would a G2 work on Softbank (Japanese Carrier) They use the 2100 band IV I believe. I know my T-Mobile Nexus One worked fine on there 3G.
I could care less if the HSPA+ worked just 3G would be fine.

Okawa said:
Would a G2 work on Softbank (Japanese Carrier) They use the 2100 band IV I believe. I know my T-Mobile Nexus One worked fine on there 3G.
I could care less if the HSPA+ worked just 3G would be fine.
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Band IV is commonly referred to as AWS 1700. From the gsmworld entry, it looks like Softbank is running on Band I ("UMTS 2100"). The G1 and Nexus One both had UMTS 900 & UMTS 2100 (the global bands) in addition to T-Mo specific AWS 1700. We're trying to determine if the G2 also has 900&2100 radios, but right now it's not looking very good.

US T-Mobile's 3G freq vs the rest of the world?

Anyone getting the T-Mobile version tomorrow? With CDMA not SIM capable, and AT&T version still up in the air, I think I'm probably going to get one tomorrow!
I've got question regarding T-Mobile's werid 3G band tho. I think Samsung listed T-Mobile's version as AWS 1700/2100. I know 1700 is weird, but is that AWS 2100 same as the 2100 band that the rest of the world use? Sorry it's my first 3G T-mobile device, and looking on wiki or google is just kinda vague

2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.

Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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I had a TMo US G1, and it worked fine on 3G when I returned to the UK. The converse was not true of my TMo UK G2 (HTC Hero), which would only get Edge in the US because it did not support both bands of AWS (1700/2100).
So, I see no reason why a TMo US shouldn't work pretty much everywhere else in the world where 2100 3G is ubiquitous.
Regards,
Dave

Cool thanks, i guess that AWS threw me off. I thought there were a regular 2100, and then T-Mobile's AWS 2100

Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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Actually you're a bit off. Tmo's 3G runs on AWS 1700/2100 band which is not the same 2100 *frequency* as the rest of the world. Tmo uses 1700 for downloads and 2100 for uploads, so both bands (aws/band IV) are needed.
Now Europe (and rest of GSM world) use straight 2100 band for 3G but the exact frequency is not the same as Tmo's.
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).

LordLugard said:
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
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No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).

I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?

ahbvrh said:
I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
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You're right for 2G, not for 3G

So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?

ahbvrh said:
So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
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No, because it doesn't support the 850 or 1900 MHz bands.

Volker1 said:
No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.

LordLugard said:
It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject.
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One could say the same to you.
This is a link to T-Mobile US's support forum, in which someone has had it confirmed from T-Mobile themselves that all devices designed for their network have to be fully compatible with the 2100MHz band, meaning they will give you 3G capabilities in Europe.
Your previous post in which you claim that the 2100MHz band that T-Mobile use is not the same as the 2100MHz band the rest of the world uses is nothing short of ridiculous.
If the band T-Mobile used was different to the one used in the rest of the world, it would not be described as 2100MHz.

LordLugard said:
It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
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Sorry, but as I already said earlier in this thread, my T-Mobile US G1, which is an AWS device, worked perfectly well in the UK with full 3G. Similarly, I know of people who bought TMo Nexus Ones in the US, and these all worked fine in the UK.
That's not to say there isn't some subtle difference which not all chipsets can cater for, but it is certainly true that many TMo US handsets will give 3G capabilities in Europe.
Regards,
Dave

The normal UMTS 2100 is called "Band I" and t-mobile's AWS is called "Band IV":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The AWS 3G module has already 2100MHz support, so there is no additional hardware necessary to support Band I as well. Theoretically it could be disabled, of course, but then T-mobile wouldn't be able to charge you an arm and a leg if you were to roam outside of the US

Unlocking Dell Venue Pro?

Hi!
I'm planning to visit the US and want to pick myself a DVP Unlocked for $499(16GB).
I spoke to a Dell rep who basically told me that when you buy a contract free DVP , it will still be locked to T-mobile.
I'm wondering if T-mobile will provide an unlock for it as I plan to use it in Sweden.
If they don't, has anyone tried the alternative unlock websites that exist on the internet? Are they a scam?

They are probably a scam or just a template for now. Someone will probably call T-Mobile for it when they get it, then post the code for us here

I'm in the same boat as you are and BTW already ordered the phone as I'm pretty sure I'll be able to unlock it.
Not sure if the websites are all scam, there are also posts here of people who actually used them in the past. But let's say that if we can get the unlock code for free from T-mobile it will be best.
From my understanding the unlock code is unique per handset based on the IMEI number, so don't expect anyone posting an unlock code. However, look on the T-mobile web site for their SIM FREE Policy.
When you buy the phone for full price, it makes you actually a "former customer" for T-Mobile as you do not have any contract with them anymore so they should have no problem giving you the unlock code. I also think that legally they need to do it.

Kotlicki said:
I'm in the same boat as you are and BTW already ordered the phone as I'm pretty sure I'll be able to unlock it.
Not sure if the websites are all scam, there are also posts here of people who actually used them in the past. But let's say that if we can get the unlock code for free from T-mobile it will be best.
From my understanding the unlock code is unique per handset based on the IMEI number, so don't expect anyone posting an unlock code. However, look on the T-mobile web site for their SIM FREE Policy.
When you buy the phone for full price, it makes you actually a "former customer" for T-Mobile as you do not have any contract with them anymore so they should have no problem giving you the unlock code. I also think that legally they need to do it.
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Please PM me once you get it, and tell me how it went.
Anyone else knows the shipping times for within the US? I have until Jan 11.

is the $499 version unlocked?

The 2 units I used, both were unlocked.
these were the 8 gig 449 ones

Canadian here: I spoke to T-Mobile yesterday. They are currently unable to unlock the phone, even if purchased outright. They suggested contacting Dell.
Called Dell america (dell canada is clueless) and they will not be giving unlock codes for a while at least.
expected release in canada is hopefully before the end of the 'holliday season' according to one of the reps.

I work for T-Mobile USA. They WILL NOT UNLOCK the device unless you have service for longer than 90 days. It is manadtory to have T-Mobile service before asking for an unlock , also you need to have the phone you want unlocked on T-Mobile service for that 90 days

eyan15 said:
The 2 units I used, both were unlocked.
these were the 8 gig 449 ones
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They were the ones sold in stores. The ones sold by Dell are locked.

michael871410 said:
I work for T-Mobile USA. They WILL NOT UNLOCK the device unless you have service for longer than 90 days. It is manadtory to have T-Mobile service before asking for an unlock , also you need to have the phone you want unlocked on T-Mobile service for that 90 days
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Since you work for T-Mobile, are you aware of the issues with activating this phone through the Dell site? Is T-Mobile acknowledging that the problem is on its end, or is it a problem on Dell's side?

What does it matter if you have the unlock code or not? The phone only has T-mobile radio bands for UMTS.

I think it has 2100 (for Europe/Asia) also.

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I think it has 2100 (for Europe/Asia) also.
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I don't believe that will work as the 2100 radio is set up for AWS.
American AWS UMTS phone radios are set up to transmit signal in "2100" (2110-2155)Mhz range and receive signal in the "1700" (1710-1755)MHz range.
While EU UMTS "2100" phone radios are set up to receive signal in "2100"(2110-2170)Mhz, and transmit signal in "1900" (1920-1980)MHz range.

Actually since the Venue Pro has UMTS 900 support that should indicate the unit has been configured for at least some Asia and European UMTS support. UMTS 900 is not a American UMTS band.

sureloch said:
I don't believe that will work as the 2100 radio is set up for AWS.
American AWS UMTS phone radios are set up to transmit signal in "2100" (2110-2155)Mhz range and receive signal in the "1700" (1710-1755)MHz range.
While EU UMTS "2100" phone radios are set up to receive signal in "2100"(2110-2170)Mhz, and transmit signal in "1900" (1920-1980)MHz range.
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But according to Lionel's blog post stated that the phone spec
Bands/Mode: UMTS 900/1700/2100/AWS
Would it means that is a dual band UMTS support for AWS and Band I 2100Mhz?
My guessing only...

Will wait til Jan 11th and buy it from either Clove or Expansys.
Although I could have saved a couple of dollars on buying it in the us

A couple of dollars? The 8GB DVP is $450 in the US and £440 in The UK, that's a massive difference. Someone will figure out how to unlock it I'm sure.

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A couple of dollars? The 8GB DVP is $450 in the US and £440 in The UK, that's a massive difference. Someone will figure out how to unlock it I'm sure.
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Wow - that's a massive difference . Hope Orange UK stock it for my upgrade then !

sureloch said:
I don't believe that will work as the 2100 radio is set up for AWS.
American AWS UMTS phone radios are set up to transmit signal in "2100" (2110-2155)Mhz range and receive signal in the "1700" (1710-1755)MHz range.
While EU UMTS "2100" phone radios are set up to receive signal in "2100"(2110-2170)Mhz, and transmit signal in "1900" (1920-1980)MHz range.
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You have got it backwards. Both AWS and EU 2100 UMTS use 2100 MHz for download; they just use different frequencies for upload. See the table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The more recent posts are correct. The facts are these:
1. When a phone's specs list "UMTS xxxx" (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100, etc.) it generally isn't a listing of the exact frequecies, but rather the 3G "bands" that are supported. Thus a European phone that lists "UMTS 900/2100" actually supports 3G downloads in the 1920-1980 MHz range, since that is part of Band I or "UMTS 2100".
2. The WHOLE POINT of AWS in North America is to make it super-easy for manufacturers to support the European and Asian UMTS 2100, by using largely overlapping download frequencies. PhoneScoop has a good article on this: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=99&p=1493. For this reason, you will rarely or never see an AWS phone that doesn't also support 3G in Europe.
3. Even if surelock and others were correct in their mistaken info that AWS transmits on 2100, that wouldn't make it impossible to support both. Many "3G world phones" for AT&T and Rogers support UMTS 850/1900/2100. 1900 is the PCS band, and it receives on 1930-1990, while Band I (or 2100) transmits on 1920-1980, which overlaps. These phones have radios that can switch between transmitting and receiving on overlapping frequencies. You'll just rarely see these two types of networks operating on the same continent.
In closing:
The Dell Venue Pro supports one North American 3G band (UMTS 1700 or "AWS") and two European/Asian 3G bands (UMTS 900 and UMTS 2100).

Thank you for clarifying. As far as I know all the releases WP7 can be unlocked one way or another so it will only be a matter of time until we can unlock the DVP. A Dell Venue Pro 16GB bought in the US would be over £50 cheaper to get than a 8GB one bought in the UK. If you have means of importing one that's a no brainer.

[Q] On which US carriers will the SGSII work?

Hi guys,
I picked up an SGSII from Expansys and it runs no problem on Fido up in Canada. I'm taking a trip down to the US next month and was wondering which of the big carriers in the states would run the SGSII. I figure AT&T would, but as the phone is quad-band, I'm not 100% sure if there are other national carriers that would do the trick.
Thanks!
FK

fusionknight said:
Hi guys,
I picked up an SGSII from Expansys and it runs no problem on Fido up in Canada. I'm taking a trip down to the US next month and was wondering which of the big carriers in the states would run the SGSII. I figure AT&T would, but as the phone is quad-band, I'm not 100% sure if there are other national carriers that would do the trick.
Thanks!
FK
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Of the major US carriers, it will work on ATT and T-Mobile. It will only get 3g on AT&T as the SGS2 doesn't support TMO's 3g bands.

Hmm. I'm a little confused. The wikipedia page for T-Mobile says that their 3G bands are 2100MHz and 1700MHz. The SGSII apparently has 2100MHz as one of the accepted frequencies (again according to wiki). How come 3G won't work on T-Mobile?
Presumably, the phone won't work on Verizon because, while the frequencies match, Verizon is running on CDMA and the SGSII only supports GSM. Right?
Thanks again!

fusionknight said:
Hmm. I'm a little confused. The wikipedia page for T-Mobile says that their 3G bands are 2100MHz and 1700MHz. The SGSII apparently has 2100MHz as one of the accepted frequencies (again according to wiki). How come 3G won't work on T-Mobile?
Presumably, the phone won't work on Verizon because, while the frequencies match, Verizon is running on CDMA and the SGSII only supports GSM. Right?
Thanks again!
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T-Mo US needs 1700 and 2100, not just 2100. Att uses 850 or 1900. 3G won't work on T-Mo

No matter what it says on paper, there's a couple of people here that have tried the phone on T-Mobile U.S and get EDGE speed downloads.

Good stuff. Thanks for the help guys.