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US vs. UK Dream - Hardware difference?

Does anyone know if the hardware is different from the US G1 to the UK G1? I know the US model uses the 1700 and 2100 bands for 3G, while the UK model uses 2100 only. Is this due to a physically different radio chipset, or is it strictly a ROM change? Could one flash a US ROM onto a UK G1; and would it work on 3G in the US?
Thanks in advance!

BAMF said:
Does anyone know if the hardware is different from the US G1 to the UK G1? I know the US model uses the 1700 and 2100 bands for 3G, while the UK model uses 2100 only. Is this due to a physically different radio chipset, or is it strictly a ROM change? Could one flash a US ROM onto a UK G1; and would it work on 3G in the US?
Thanks in advance!
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I'd expect the 3g radio/chipset would be the same in them. If you take your UK G1 to the US I would imagine it would work on the US 3g network fine.

Dirky said:
I'd expect the 3g radio/chipset would be the same in them. If you take your UK G1 to the US I would imagine it would work on the US 3g network fine.
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There is a hardware difference, extra antenna/amp chip. The T-mobile network in the US uses both 1700 and 2100 bands to establish the 3G voice/data connection. You'll be able to get 2g for sure, but not 3g. T-mobile uses 1700 band for up and 2100 for down stream.

niftydl said:
There is a hardware difference, extra antenna/amp chip.
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Do you have a pic of the motherboard or some other evidence of this?
The T-mobile network in the US uses both 1700 and 2100 bands to establish the 3G voice/data connection. You'll be able to get 2g for sure, but not 3g. T-mobile uses 1700 band for up and 2100 for down stream.
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I think when the op said the Dream uses 1700 and 2100, he meant UMTS Bands IV and I respectively. The Dream communicates with T-Mobile USA using only Band IV, which is commonly known as UMTS 1700, even though it does use 2110-2155Mhz for the downlink. More info here.

All the USA T-Mobile APNs are installed on the UK version, are there any 1700 ones listed?
I deleted them all or I'd check myself.

I have both the US and UK versions of the G1 in hand. I have looked at the list of US APNs, but I'm not really sure what to look for. They all specify epc.tmobile.com, but beyond that the numbers don't mean anything to me. Can someone tell me what to look for?
As far as the radio chipset, I have the service manual and I'm willing to disassemble the UK G1, just not sure what to look for. I'll be glad to take pictures along the way.
Externally, I have found a few differences in what's printed under the battery-
US model: DREA100
UK model: DREA110
US P/N: 99HEW038-00
UK P/N: 99HEW042-00
Of course, the difference in numbers could lie in the firmware.
Thanks everyone for the input thus far, any other advice you can offer is also appreciated!

BAMF said:
I have both the US and UK versions of the G1 in hand. I have looked at the list of US APNs, but I'm not really sure what to look for. They all specify epc.tmobile.com, but beyond that the numbers don't mean anything to me. Can someone tell me what to look for?
As far as the radio chipset, I have the service manual and I'm willing to disassemble the UK G1, just not sure what to look for. I'll be glad to take pictures along the way.
Externally, I have found a few differences in what's printed under the battery-
US model: DREA100
UK model: DREA110
US P/N: 99HEW038-00
UK P/N: 99HEW042-00
Of course, the difference in numbers could lie in the firmware.
Thanks everyone for the input thus far, any other advice you can offer is also appreciated!
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Could you share the service manual if it is alright?

HD2 work on ATT 3G

Does the current HD2 that one can buy from various sources work on the ATT 3G network with a current ATT SIM card?

No, You will not get 3G. the current phones do not have the 850MHZ that ATT uses for 3G.
You have to wait till mid to end of this month when the phone is out with the 850MHZ.

Where is this info from? if this is true I will certainly be getting the hd2. Will it be 850/1900?

The phone will have 850MHZ.
I have been told it will should be out mid to end of this month in Australia.
I bought my HD from there and will be buying the HD2 as soon as it is out.

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Where is this info from? if this is true I will certainly be getting the hd2. Will it be 850/1900?
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From HTC australia. It'll come out for the Telstra's NextG network which runs on 850/2100. Since AT&T is overhauling their 1900mhz tower for the much faster 850mhz, the 850/2100 Telstra version is very ideal.

i'm kinda afriad of buying the HTC HD2 that will come to the US in the Q1 of 2010.
I have one question about it ,,, if i bought it " US HD2 " ,, is it going to work outside the US and work with other carrier like the iPhone for example?

thedeathblow said:
i'm kinda afriad of buying the HTC HD2 that will come to the US in the Q1 of 2010.
I have one question about it ,,, if i bought it " US HD2 " ,, is it going to work outside the US and work with other carrier like the iPhone for example?
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Ok let's clear some things up. The "US HD2" is the T-Mobile version. T-MOBILE. What does this mean? If you're with AT&T and bought the "US HD2"/TMobile version, you can talk but will be limited to EDGE for data...no 3G. The HD2 is a quadband phone so you can use it to talk all over the world. Notice that i bold only the word talk? You won't be able to get 3G outside of the US unless the country/carrier you're visiting has 1700/2100 UMTS/3G band (which most don't). So if you're visiting other countries, you can talk all you want, but will more than likely stuck with EDGE for data. Period.
So let's recap:
1) "US HD2" = T-Mobile USA version
2) Telstra NextG HD2 (australian) = compatible with AT&T 3G
3) HD2 is a quadband phone for voice. You can talk on pretty much any country.
4) HD2 is a dualband phone for UMTS/3G/data. You will be stuck with EDGE unless you have the correct band.
5) Tmobile sucks
6) ?????
7) PROFIT!

lude219 said:
2) Telstra NextG HD2 (australian) = compatible with AT&T 3G
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so if i bought from Telstra NextG, i can work with At&t 3G using at$t? and also TALKING if i'm using other carer like T-Mobile?

thedeathblow said:
so if i bought from Telstra NextG, i can work with At&t 3G using at$t? and also TALKING if i'm using other carer like T-Mobile?
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Not at the same time. To use a carrier's service (data or voice) you need a sim from that carrier. So to use at&t data you need an at&t sim; to use T-mo voice you need a T-mo sim. The HD2 is not a dual-sim phone, so you can only have one sim installed at a time, and therefore can only be using either at&t or T-mobile at any given time. You can swap sims if the phone is unlocked to use the other carrier's services. I have no idea if the Telstra HD2 will be unlocked or is unlockable...maybe someone who is using a Telstra HD in the USA can respond to that issue.
Hope this helps.

so i take it that T-mo and ATT use different frequencies for their 3g?

JSmid6 said:
so i take it that T-mo and ATT use different frequencies for their 3g?
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Yep,
T-mobile use 1700MHz 3G frequency in the USA when most of 3G compatible devices (at&t) run on 850/1900MHz 3G/HSDPA freqencies

Hi,
I am a new user and I hope I am in the right place.
I just came back from Sydney Australia, and while I was there I bought teh HTC HD2 phone. WHen I got it it had all the Telstra crap on it and It was useless for me since I have t-mobile.
After I bought, I updated the ROM to RUU_Leo_HTC_WWE_1.66.405.2_Radio_Signed_15.30.50.07U_2.06.51.07_Ship.exe
I had to use HSPL but I got it to work.
I just arrived to New York today and I could not wait to turn on the phone and see it in action. To my dispointment, I could not get 3G on it. The band and network are set to AUTO. The only thing I get is Edge.
I tried all manual bands and no luck
So then I tried to update the ROM to LEO_2.02.531.14_WWE_B28223\LEO_2.02.531.14_WWE_B28223
But it does not seem to work, no home screen just HTC and the windows start icon, phone and contacts appear on the bottom. Dont know whats wrong?? but perhaps some can shed some light.
Going back to ROM to RUU_Leo_HTC_WWE_1.66.405.2_Radio_Signed_15.30.50.07U_2.06.51.07_Ship.exe for now.
Just want to know if I am on the right path?? Will this phone I bought work with t-mobile 3g service?
and what ROM is the best for this HTC HD2 phone and how can I get it?
Any tips would be awesome !
Thanks

richsark said:
Just want to know if I am on the right path?? Will this phone I bought work with t-mobile 3g service?
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That phone will not work with US T-Mobile. Sell it on ebay and wait for the US T-Mo HD2.
T-Mobile uses the weird 1700/2100 UTMS bands in the US, and pretty much only phones made specifically for it will work.

Crap'po'la
I was afraid of that. so I can use it, just wont get 3G
So no ROMS would help right?
Is there A ROM that is better then what I have now? I have RUU_Leo_HTC_WWE_1.66.405.2_Radio_Signed_15.30.50.07U_2.06.51.07_Ship.exe
Thanks

hey richsark ill take it off your hands

Hi, well... whats the offer? on a 3 day old phone??

pmed........

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Hi, The phone I bought straight from the Telstra shop was unlocked. I did put my SIM in it and it registers as TMobile but no 3G. ( I did this in the States) Over there in Sydney with my Tmobile SIM it was 3G !
My guess is the bands are not compatible. I am stuck with Edge I guess... unless there is a way to make it work
Thanks

TMobile will have a roaming agreement with Telstra which means while in Australia you will have connected to the Telstra 3G network using the 850MHz frequency, but as a "visitor". Once back in the US the TMobile network uses 1700MHz which the Telstra version of the HD2 won't work with.
I travel a fair bit to the US and UK for work so prior to the HD2 I had a 850/1900/2100 UMTS phone which covered me for AT&T in the US. Now that AT&T are moving to use 850 more widely the lack of 1900 won't be a problem and 2100 is used widely in the UK and Europe.

T-mobile's US HD2 works on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe?

Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin

actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.

hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.

Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!

Accoridng to Wikipedia, while 3G in China is using the same frequencies as Europe in UMTS-I band, the air interface is different (TD-SCDMA vs TD-CDMA).
(sorry, cannot link to the docs since as junior member cannot embed links yet).

pa49 said:
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
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Wow, that's... odd! It seems US operators cannot even agree whinin US and now they all want to use the rest of world's standards! That's so un-american!

At&T, rogers, etc are all using european 3G frequencies, which is why you can use device from europe on their networks.
T-mobile US uses 1700 & 2100 (one for up stream, one for downstream) which is why it won't work on at&t etc or european frequencies.
The t-mobile 3G phones use both 1700 and 2100 at the same time; and they cant use 2100 seperately on other networks.

erm att uses 850/1900,and very few operators use the same,none in Europe use these bands

alefsin said:
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
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you can check though. google it

Yes it does!
alefsin said:
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
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I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG

JohnQ said:
you can check though. google it
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I did, check post #5

Well, it seems the answer is negative. I asked HTC:
Hi, I'm very excited about HTC HD2 on T-Mobile USA. However there is a cruicial question taht I could not find an answer for yet: Should I get this phone, when I travel to Europe, can I use 3G? The specs say this phone will support AWS/2100 MHz UMTS. Since the 2100 MHz is the dominant frequency for western european 3G networks, does it mean this phone would work on their 3G networks? Nobody at T-mobile's support could answer me so I hope you could solve this mystery.
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And they answered:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Assistance Center. I understand the importance in researching a phone before you purchase it. This is a unusual situation and one T-mobile may not have been experienced with. For T-mobiles network the phone will be using the 1700 and 2100 bands. Although the 2100 band is common world wide. allowing the phone to pick up the edge network. T-mobile uses the 1700 for there 3G services. This band as far as we are aware is only used by T-mobile when it comes to major carriers world wide. More then likely the phone would not be able to pick up 3g if taken over seas.
However. T-mobile dose have a few branches in Europe. You may wish to check with them to see what bands they use for 3G, and if they have had any conflicts with American phones.
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wmfreak said:
I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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But T-mobile's HD2 is not out yet! Are you sure you didn't test European HD2?

OK things are starting to get weird. I received a negative answer from HTC's customer support but then I found USA T-mobile G1 users that reported their phones were working on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe (G1 like US T-mobile version of HD2 only supports 1700/2100 MHz 3G). I need to buy a phone and these contradictory reports leave me confused

Here is what T-mobile says in the specs sheet of the new HD2:
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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Isn't it interesting that 2100 Mhz is listed both separately and in with combintaion with 1700 Mhz?

JohnQ said:
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
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nice email address you have in that picture John

I tested my unlocked TMOUS HD2 in Sweden using 3's network and worked like a charm in 3G

Bit of a bump here as I'm trying to use my unlocked US T-Mobile HD2 with Orange in France and I can't do better than Edge (it went down to GPRS at one point...). I guess it could come down to spotty reception but I do get 3G speeds in my current location with an iPhone 3GS so I'm not so sure...
I'm using the AmericanAndroid ROM, maybe that's why my speed is throttled ;-)

I am using HD2 T-mobile in Serbia and i have no problem with conection or data speed.
I was on vacation and i didnt use Wifi ,and i used the phone all the time on 3G - the 3G network is incredibly fast, I even think that it is twice as fast as the EU HD2, which I used before..

Thanks, will check again then, maybe bad reception then!

can i use t mobile htc hd 2 in australia

hi every one im thinking about buying a tmous htc hd 2 cause of the 1gb rom 576 mb ram , im just wandering if the phone will work in australia 3g , vodafone , i found out download band for voda is 2100 and upload 900
can some one shed any light on this should i buy the tmous htc hd 2 or t8585
thanks in advance

No, The T-Mo US HD2 won't work on those 3g bands. You want the t8585.

Or the 9193. which is the AU model that will work with ATT USA 850 band 3g

thanks for the reply whats the differnece in having 1gb rom

jeewadj said:
thanks for the reply whats the differnece in having 1gb rom
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Rom = The amount of storage on your phone for contacts, music, movies etc.

T9193 - Vodafone Australia
im using the t9193. Im with vodafone. "3G" "H" "E"
I get great speeds

b84 said:
im using the t9193. Im with vodafone. "3G" "H" "E"
I get great speeds
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I'm very surprised to hear that your 9193 locks onto an H or 3G icon with Vodafone. EDGE, sure, but that's 2.5G data, not 3G.
The 9193 supports 3G/HSDPA on 850 and 1900MHz
The 8585 supports 3G/HSDPA on 900 and 2100MHz
Everything I've read about Vodafone points to them using 900 & 2100MHz bands for 3G/HSDPA.

band
i am using 900 2100
i used a cab to add more bands

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! ROFLMAO
You're an idiot, stop posting misinformation.

If you use Telstra then you need the t9193 model but if you use any other provider you will need the t8585 model to be able to access the full 3G service, I could be wrong but that's what caught me out.

I am on Vodafone and I have the T8585 with H E 3G & G bands via 900/2100.
gamecore is correct T9193 for Telstra, and T8585 for others eg Vodafone etc...

ok i am new to this but can someone tell me what's the different between
the
T8585 and the T9193 (i know that the T8585 is the one with the 512 rom) so is the T9193 the telstra verson of the HD2?
i am going to america next month and just to make things clear
(i am on optus)
if i want to buy a HD2 with the 1GB ROM it won't work in Aus ?
so should i buy the normal verson of the phone (T8585)?
if i just want to use the phone for call,text,mms (no internet browsing) can i get the 1GB one ? or would i still get the T8585?
so if i want the phone to be able to use the internet(not wifi) "on the go" and check e-mail i will need to get the T8585 right ? ( the one with less rom?)

STHD said:
ok i am new to this but can someone tell me what's the different between
the
T8585 and the T9193 (i know that the T8585 is the one with the 512 rom) so is the T9193 the telstra verson of the HD2?
i am going to america next month and just to make things clear
(i am on optus)
if i want to buy a HD2 with the 1GB ROM it won't work in Aus ?
so should i buy the normal verson of the phone (T8585)?
if i just want to use the phone for call,text,mms (no internet browsing) can i get the 1GB one ? or would i still get the T8585?
so if i want the phone to be able to use the internet(not wifi) "on the go" and check e-mail i will need to get the T8585 right ? ( the one with less rom?)
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STHD,
A brief lesson in mobile phone protocols, and which model supports what:
T8585 & T9193
Worldwide
GSM, 850/900/1800/2100MHz
GPRS, 850/900/1800/2100MHz
EDGE, 850/900/1800/2100MHz
T8585
Australia (Voda, Optus), Europe, Asia
3G/UMTS, 900/2100MHz
HSDPA, 900/2100MHz
T9193
Telstra AU, USA (most), Japan (I think)
3G/UMTS, 850/1900MHz
HSDPA, 850/1900MHz
So,
Both the T8585 & T9193 can use the following services worldwide, on any carrier that uses the GSM (NOT CDMA!) mobile network:
* Calls
* SMS
* MMS, assuming you have some sort of data plan supporting GPRS or better.
* Mobile web & email, but only at GPRS (data rates of 56-114 kbit/s) or EDGE speeds (up to 236.8 kbit/s).
The T9193 supports 3G/HSDPA on 850 and 1900MHz - Telstra & most US carriers use these frequencies for 3G data.
The 8585 supports 3G/HSDPA on 900 and 2100MHz - Most European, Asian and all other Australian providers use these frequencies for 3G data.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Mobile_telecommunications_standards for a heirachical view of the technologies.
Three key points here:
1) You can't (AFAIK) buy the T8585 model from a network provider in the USA. They will all be T9193 models.
2) If you're *visiting* the USA, and indend to to use the phone on Optus when you return, buy the T8585 model from somewhere in Asia or Europe (http://Handtec.co.uk is my personal recommendation). You can still use the phone when you go to the USA for calls, sms, and gprs & edge data, and get full 3G/HSDPA speeds when you come home to Optus.
3) Ignore the 1GB Flash ROM on T9193 model. The T8585 comes with an 8GB SD card - just install all your apps on the card. This has the additional benefit that you don't need to re-install every time you flash another ROM.
Make sense?
Phrak

So basically you need the T8585 for Optus.
If you get the T9193 for optus network you can do everything that the T8585 does but you wont be able to use 3G it will only be 2G or slower for web and emails on your phone.

ok thanks Phark that really help me out working out the issues
just to point something out from Phark post
T8585 Should be T9193/T-mobile verson
Telstra AU, USA (most), Japan (I think)
3G/UMTS, 850/1900MHz
HSDPA, 850/1900MHz
not picking on you (Phark) but just want to make sure everyone gets it or else it will be confusing (am i right?lol)
but another thing is that on the htc website it says that the aus verson (T9193) of hd2 uses "Australia: 850/2100 MHz" i donno if the info is wrong or what...
Also T-mobile and [HD2 US(from PDAdb)comming soon] have 576Mib of Ram which is 100 something more then T8585
So i guess i will get the T8585(Will get that in HK)
Haha and i really like how Phark quote *visiting* USA...but i am really going there Haha
Thanks again Phark and also thanks gamecore

STHD said:
ok thanks Phark that really help me out working out the issues
just to point something out from Phark post
T8585 Should be T9193/T-mobile verson
Telstra AU, USA (most), Japan (I think)
3G/UMTS, 850/1900MHz
HSDPA, 850/1900MHz
not picking on you (Phark) but just want to make sure everyone gets it or else it will be confusing (am i right?lol)
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Ooops! Copy & Paste error ;-) Thanks, have edited my post.
STHD said:
but another thing is that on the htc website it says that the aus verson (T9193) of hd2 uses "Australia: 850/2100 MHz" i donno if the info is wrong or what...
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Unsure about that one, sorry. Everything I've read (up 'till now!) suggests that the T9193 was 850/1900 - *Do* take HTC's word over mine though, you can always claim false advertising against them ;-)
STHD said:
Also T-mobile and [HD2 US(from PDAdb)comming soon] have 576Mib of Ram which is 100 something more then T8585
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The T8585 *does* have 576MB of RAM, enabled via most ROM Chefs. I'm unsure of the technical changes to enable this, but I've just (double) checked my T8585 HD2 from HK, and it says: "RAM: 576MB; Flash Size: 512MB"
STHD said:
Haha and i really like how Phark quote *visiting* USA...but i am really going there Haha
Thanks again Phark and also thanks gamecore
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LOL, I meant "visiting" in the sense that you weren't moving there permanently ;-)
Glad I could help. Have a safe trip, and good luck buying your phone in HK!
Phrak

Oh so you brought your phone from HK too? is that through the internet?
Or Do you have a shop that you recommend?(cos i know they sell phones everywhere) i live near mongkok and they have a whole street which sell phones
Thanks anyway

hd2 telstra t9193 - Vodafone Australia
Hey Phrak,
This is the cab i used for geting the extra bands
http://htcpedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57342&postcount=6
is this the correct band for Vodafone Australia?
UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
If not what should it say???
Is there a hardware difference that the t9193 will not have the correct data connection? Or is it just software?

Interesting CAB - I've just found the same software built into the latest ENERGY ROM I've flashed to my Leo.
More research is needed methinks. I'm more than prepared to be proven wrong on the T9193 supported bands.

DVP 3G Europe/US Roaming

If I understood right at least some DVPs have radios capable of using both T-Mobile US's 3G network and European 3G networks. Has anyone tried this? Are we sure that all DVPs have the same radios? Or do the European ones have the US frequencies disabled or something?
Thanks in advance for any info,
Tom

The US ones have AWS for TMOUS, and European 900/2100.
Whether they will actually provision correctly and be usable w/ 3G services in non-US locales is anyone's guess. The US DVP has only just recently been unlockable and I don't think we have had any reports of actual int'l roaming success yet.

I think its been mentioned in the unlocking thread that people have used it in Europe and from the listing of the DVP I've seen the specs indicate its has the exact frequencies as the US one. I would expect it to work, unless Dell has done something really screwy (but thats not impossible) but hopefully someone can confirm for sure.

People are claiming that European DVPs have AWS 3G support? I don't think so.
Although it is conceivable that it's there and simply unadvertised, I believe non-US DVPs have 900/2100 *only*.
US DVPs have 900/2100 *and* AWS.

tai4de2 said:
People are claiming that European DVPs have AWS 3G support? I don't think so.
Although it is conceivable that it's there and simply unadvertised, I believe non-US DVPs have 900/2100 *only*.
US DVPs have 900/2100 *and* AWS.
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Actually I was referring to people with US handsets being used in Europe, not the other way round. And its possible the Euro version is hte same as the US one, looking at a video of a DVP released in India it shows the same frequencies as the US one, and Clove also lists the same 3G frequencies so I would lean towards all DVP's bring usable in Europe and the US.

With today's big news, what's the point?
Once AT&T shuts off AWS UMTS in a year or so we are all gonna be left with paperweights anyway.

tai4de2 said:
With today's big news, what's the point?
Once AT&T shuts off AWS UMTS in a year or so we are all gonna be left with paperweights anyway.
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NAY, I SAY THEE NAY!!!!!!!! Could be right though, but I was planning on ditching the DVP for a penta band Nokia so I guess I'll be ok - save for being on at&t!

3G works here

They are saying it will take "several years" to transition T-Mobile users. Lets hope the regulators see sense and block it in any case...

So I have a European DVP now. Anyone know of an app that will tell me the radio frequencies it supports? The System Info one doesn't seem to.

It supports 900 and 2100.

How did you find that out? The box says UMTS 2100/1700/900.

The European box says the phone inside supports 1700?

my US T-mobile DVP (unlocked) works fine on tmobile Germany and I get about 3000k download 2500k upload. I am in a fairly bad region for network speeds. But I have hit upwards of 7000k download in some bigger cities.

tai4de2 said:
The European box says the phone inside supports 1700?
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