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Hi,
I am currently using a Samsung F480 and I really have to say the difference in the touch screen experience is very much noticeable compared to my HTC Wizard (I'd probably call it Apple-esque - even though I never actually used their phone), however at the very same time I also have to admit that I am really missing the possibilities Windows Mobile offers.
So when I first read about the Touch HD it seemed it would unify all those. Well, meanwhile I found out that the touch screen technology basically remained the same so I'd really be interested to hear how you would actually rate it? Does one still have to press/push the screen or does a simply touch do it as well?
Apart from the touch screen topic I am also a bit uncertain after reading threads like this and in particular vangrieg's posting. How would you rate the overall performance?
Basically what I would be looking for would be a compact phone with a good display, easily extensible (Windows Mobile) and a nice touch screen experience (Apple) ....
i have it for a week now and i am very satisfied with it. Not one program crashed and no reboot so far. Internet browsing is fast and really usable. For the first time ever i really like to surf the net while commuting on the subway. GPS with TomTom7 is great - i locks in seconds even when in downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.
regarding the touchscreen, i find that i have to press really hard to get a reaction. at first i even was reluctant to press so hard because i thought i would break it with the stylus. but now i am glad that it does not react to simple touching because i usually carry it in the pocket of my trousers and touch the display when handling it and it should not react to simple touching in my view - and it does not.
Thanks kkrammer, so you havent noticed respectively cant confirm the lag mentioned by donbronzi and jon- in the indicated thread. I am asking in particular because vangrieg stated the used Qualcomm processor shouldnt be the fastest.
As to the touch screen, this is certainly a subjective matter but personally I really like Samsung's way to respond even to a very very light touch without having to actually press it. So you would say one actually has to press it, a light touch doesnt do it?
Touch HD finger pressure
After owning a Touch Diamond, I feel that the screen is much more responsive. I dont have to press hard at all. I really like it so far. Yes it is a bit bigger and heavier, its still thin. All my programs are working great.
Thanks wfhowell, actually I just went to a store and expectedly they didnt have an HD yet, however there was the Diamond and considering my touch tests I slowly begin to understand the Apple fanboys. Coming from the Samsung F480 I was almost unable to use it. So how much would you say was the HD improved in this area?
Maybe someone who used Apple's, the F480 and the HD could outline where he/she would see the differences.
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
Its the best phone till today... awesome tough still not perfect..
Unless you still think that a phone requires a QWERTY keyboard (I haven't missed on yet on this awesome phon) I'd run to my local dealer
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
marcel808 said:
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
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Thanks Marcel, I know Apple's touch screen as well as - probably - the F480's measure via the skin but nonetheless I was "shocked" today when I saw what touching means in terms of the Diamond.
How "close" would you say is the sensitivity you mentioned?
Can someone who has experience with the Wizard and the HD tell if there is an actual difference in the sensitivity.
I'd love to get an HD - even if its price is currently almost prohibitive - but I am not sure whether I'd really like to go back.
mwatson said:
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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its not worth the upgrade in my opinion.
I found you have to push a fair bit harder with the stylus on the screen than with your finger. If you use your finger it responds to a very light touch in comparism and is very responsive.
Thanks, for a real-world example, how hard would one have to press to slide the tabbar on the home screen left and right. Would just placing the finger without actual pressure be enough?
hi drzoid
how sensitive is the screen on mine...not sure how best to answer.
On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
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Just like with the F480.
marcel808 said:
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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Thank you Marcel, perfect explanation, even though I am not sure whether this is really close if one has to push 1mm into the screen .
Somehow my excitement gets colder, unfortunately
F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
Insaneboy said:
F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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Well, personally I dont really need a stylus, although the magnetic of the HD makes a precious impression. Anyhow Samsung's screen is what I would really define as touch screen. It would be interesting how close it is, but the 1mm Marcel mentioned doesnt sound too close .... I guess I will have to wait until I can see the HD live.
What a shame almost
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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I have both the diamond (business phone) and, recently, the HD (personal phone). The HD is a step change in a number of ways. The larger screen, in purely size terms, makes sense of the touchflo interface. Buttons are big, and useable, and I'm rarely (if ever) pulling out the stylus. Also the software itself is faster, more developed (losts of little changes - like answering a call uses a finger gesture, rather than pressing a button - which means you are much less likely to inadvertantly answer an incoming call in your pocket. a little thing, but one of a myriad of significant little changes). The stock ROM is blisteringly fast in comparison (my diamond is the t-mobile version, and a shocker in comparison). Given that they are roughly the same hardware it shows what the diamond may become capable of. The screen is spectacular. The sensitivity (though lacking multi-touch, no biggie for me) feels just right. The battery life literally takes my breath away. I've run it for two lumps of two days, and not yet got the battery below 50%. My diamond corpses after about 24 hours.
It's the best WM device I've had by a country mile, and I've had a few. I still like my diamond, though. It's little and I can look after it much better when I'm out for a riotous night on the town. The HD is big, and until I can get a silicone case for it, it's a dropped smashed phone waiting to happen (I hate having to remove a phone from a case to use it, it massively increases the chance of accidents).
Philio25 said:
I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Really? If I judge it from my Acer Aspire I would then actually call it decent.
I really have to find a store where you can try it out .
eaglesteve said:
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
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Well, I can talk only for the F480 which actually has Netfront and there you can click links without zooming, even if you have aim well sometimes.
Lets say I am not against a stylus but I am for the touch experience the F480 brings .
Well - hate to break it to ya all... the touch sensor is not true multi-touch. It's not iPhone-like full matrix capacitive touch screen. Yes- it can pinch to zoom and might do some limited rotate (very limited) but it's based on the same technology of common touch pads - it can do only single finger tracking. The pinch gesture can be recognized but if you are thinking you can have apps like the iPhone piano or guitar - or for that matter - a multi touch keyboard - well - it will not happen with the N1 touch screen.
Not to say that it is a problem - multi touch is over hyped as-is. The pinch-to is just good enough and the zoom bar on previous HTC phones was just as useful.
But don't expect the N1 to detect the position of more than one finger.
Given that - I wish they stayed with resistive touch screen where you could use a stylus to type - 15 days with the N1 and still I find it harder to type with my finger that using a stylus with my now sold HTC HD.
But there is no comparing old WinMo with Android. N1 is a keeper.
Hum, so how come you can find a multi-touch keyboard in the market ?
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.net-cdeguet-smartkeyboardpro-wnzt.aspx
And, not that I don't believe you, but do you have any real proof of what you are saying ?
I've downloaded that app. Couldn't see any multi-touch - it would just press the key I put my last finger on.. just like it should if it was what we call a 2-way touchpad.
I work in developing touch solutions so I know a little bit about them.. The N1 screen, to the best of my experience is not true multi-touch.
dnts:
You could download "MultiTouch Visualizer" and see how N1 handles multitouch, it should be in the market.
If that app is correct, the N1 can distuingish between 2 points at a time which as far as I know is exactly the same as on iphone.
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Just a comment about pinch to zoom, wouldn't this be impossible without multi-touch? The center point between your fingers do not change and as such it has to be multi-touch to allow this gesture. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I've downloaded that app. Couldn't see any multi-touch - it would just press the key I put my last finger on.. just like it should if it was what we call a 2-way touchpad.
I work in developing touch solutions so I know a little bit about them.. The N1 screen, to the best of my experience is not true multi-touch.
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In your OP you say the screen is a specific type that doesn't support it... general user experience of an app in BETA stage isn't a good way to determine that...
Do you have any other reason to claim the hardware of the N1 does not support multi-touch?
OP has zero clue what hes talking about.
He contradicts himself several times.
Theres MT visualizer as mentioned and theres numerous fingerpaint drawing apps that let you do 2 fingers at the same time.
Why not start a post with N1 doesnt have a true trackball.
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Why not start a post with N1 doesnt have a true trackball.
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The trackball is a lie!
There could be some merit to this statement. The form of multitouch the touchscreen on the G1 and Magic (perhaps more, but I'm not sure) used was capable of "2x1d" positioning. That is, if you touched the screen in two places, it knew the two x coordinates being touched and the two y coordinates being touched, but had to way of correlating which x was paired to which y... this was handled in software.
This was fine for pinch gestures, but recall in Luke Hutchison's videos where he showed that the software could become confused and pair the x and y incorrectly, which would lead to the system registering the opposite corners of the touch "box" between your fingers.
You can still see the effect today on some multitouch applications in the Market on the Nexus One. Like multitouch pong or the multitouch plugin for ethereal dialpad. In each case, the software can directly determine the initial touch points usually, but when points cross in the x or y axis they will "snap" together in that axis, and when moving from that position may become confused. This makes games like Multitouch Pong unusable on the Nexus One because it is just not reliable. However I have no way of knowing if this is a hardware limitation or a limitation in the touch software, and nobody has really talked about it.
This is contrasted to the iphone, whose touch screen allows it to keep track of touch points as two (x,y) coordinates without any sort of axis snapping.
Uejji said:
There could be some merit to this statement. The form of multitouch the touchscreen on the G1 and Magic (perhaps more, but I'm not sure) used was capable of "2x1d" positioning. That is, if you touched the screen in two places, it knew the two x coordinates being touched and the two y coordinates being touched, but had to way of correlating which x was paired to which y... this was handled in software.
This was fine for pinch gestures, but recall in Luke Hutchison's videos where he showed that the software could become confused and pair the x and y incorrectly, which would lead to the system registering the opposite corners of the touch "box" between your fingers.
You can still see the effect today on some multitouch applications in the Market on the Nexus One. Like multitouch pong or the multitouch plugin for ethereal dialpad. In each case, the software can directly determine the initial touch points usually, but when points cross in the x or y axis they will "snap" together in that axis, and when moving from that position may become confused. This makes games like Multitouch Pong unusable on the Nexus One because it is just not reliable. However I have no way of knowing if this is a hardware limitation or a limitation in the touch software, and nobody has really talked about it.
This is contrasted to the iphone, whose touch screen allows it to keep track of touch points as two (x,y) coordinates without any sort of axis snapping.
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It is software... even the iPhone has issues with tracking the X,Y pairs when they run into one another, but they have 3 generations of of software developement to help sort it all out. Even with that, you can still confuse the iPhone's multi-touch... make an "X" shape on the scren by running your fingers togther than apart in two "V" shapes, and 99% of the the time it will register it is two seperate lines crossing, and not two actual V's... as well, if you try to cross your fingers it can get even crazier!
The N1 does have a ways to go in terms of multi-touch software and app support to catch up to the iPhone, but I don't see anywhere that supports the claim it is a hardware limitation.
Stylus...
Im sorry but resistant touch screens are the worse screen to be on. Typing on a resistance touch screen is the worst experience ever. Go try a Samsung Omnia I or HTC Touch Diamond.
If your on a all screen device with no keyboard, capacitive is the way to go. Its obvious that the OP doesnt know what he is talking about or doesnt have past experience with resistant touch screens.
If your fingers too big and you need a stylus thats your problem, not a problem of the device.
The Nexus One uses a Synaptics ClearPad 2000 touch screen.
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So, the nexus one is only dualtouch and the iphone is multitouch
Thank you guys for flaming me... but that will not change the fact the our N1s have a simple surface capacitance touch screen that has the ability to distinguish up to 2 fingers provided that they don't cross axis with each other (i.e. each finger stays in it's perimeter so either X or Y axis don't align).
I've designed several touch pads and other touch solutions in the past few years and have pending patents on that technology. You can say what you'd like about my lack of experience - ha - it will not change anything and I couldn't care less.
You can check out this patent application (soon to be granted, I hope):
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0046827.html
So believe me guys and gals - it ain't no multi-touch and don't expect to have multi tocuh capabilities. Pinch to zoom.. maybe rotate... or some 2-finger flicking... that's all. No good and working multi touch keyboard.. no piano or guitar app... simply cannot be done with this hardware...
That said, this hardware provides better accuracy, lower power consumption and is free of patent issues (Apple's multi touch is heavily patent protected).
dnts said:
Thank you guys for flaming me... but that will not change the fact the our N1s have a simple surface capacitance touch screen that has the ability to distinguish up to 2 fingers provided that they don't cross axis with each other (i.e. each finger stays in it's perimeter so either X or Y axis don't align).
I've designed several touch pads and other touch solutions in the past few years and have pending patents on that technology. You can say what you'd like about my lack of experience - ha - it will not change anything and I couldn't care less.
You can check out this patent application (soon to be granted, I hope):
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0046827.html
So believe me guys and gals - it ain't no multi-touch and don't expect to have multi tocuh capabilities. Pinch to zoom.. maybe rotate... or some 2-finger flicking... that's all. No good and working multi touch keyboard.. no piano or guitar app... simply cannot be done with this hardware...
That said, this hardware provides better accuracy, lower power consumption and is free of patent issues (Apple's multi touch is heavily patent protected).
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it is multitouch for me, and you can say what you want. Maybe you should write an article in iphone fanboy sites like engadget and gizmodo, because they would love to hear your scientific findings.
Maybe you could sell your technology to apple or microsoft.
Everyday, since the launch of Nexus, and especially after the OTA there is a scientist picking up no Nexus, because people cannot comprehend that it is better than their iphone. They got stack with steve jobs talking crap about icrap technologies and now cannot bear the shock.
Keep walking, Johnnie Walker.
supergodie said:
So, the nexus one is only dualtouch and the iphone is multitouch
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Dual touch (two finger) IS multitouch. The common definition of mutitouch is more that one finger. The Iphone is rumored to use the same screen. Apple doesn't reveal it's suppliers.
* ClearPad 3000 Series—Our premium ClearPad solution provides the ultimate in touchscreen innovation and excitement with MultiTouch capabilities (up to 10 fingers simultaneously). A powerful new chip delivers 48 sensing channels and excellent power management for a differentiated user experience. Click here to see the 3000 Series demo demo with gestures like Crumple and Scratch.
* ClearPad 2000 Series—ClearPad 2000 Series—the original ClearPad solution—brings exceptional DualTouch (2-finger) touch capabilities to a wide range of handheld devices. High performance and accuracy combined with seamless gesture integration make ClearPad 2000 Series the proven touchscreen leader seen in the market.
* ClearPad 1000 Series—ClearPad 1000 makes touch capabilities available to mass-market handheld devices. This SingleTouch solution provides exceptional gesture integration and a flexible zero-border sensor design. For cost-effective touchscreen capabilities, ClearPad 1000 is the right choice.
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Guys I was looking the synaptic webpage and I found this :
ww.synaptics.com/about/press/press-releases/synaptics-clearpad-on-nexus-one-smartphone
Nexus one has a CLEARpad 2000 capacitive touch screen sensor, so it's dual touch , the clearpad 3000 it has support for multitouch .
So the nexus one doesn't have multitouch only has dual touch ...
I was testing the piano application from Iphone and It's recognize a lot of points on the screen , anybody know which hardware display have the iphone? .
PD: I sold my iphone 3GS and now I have a nexus one .
Sorry, my english is bad .
htcmagic said:
it is multitouch for me, and you can say what you want. Maybe you should write an article in iphone fanboy sites like engadget and gizmodo, because they would love to hear your scientific findings.
Maybe you could sell your technology to apple or microsoft.
Everyday, since the launch of Nexus, and especially after the OTA there is a scientist picking up no Nexus, because people cannot comprehend that it is better than their iphone. They got stack with steve jobs talking crap about icrap technologies and now cannot bear the shock.
Keep walking, Johnnie Walker.
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Well.. you obviosly don't want to understand what I am saying and if you are a happy camper with your N1 - so be it.. I will not ruin the fun for you...
But the Clearpad 2000 technology is lacking. We all know the palm wrapping problem offsetting our finger touch if we don't hold the device careful enough... root cause of this is HW and software may ease things up slightly but cannot rid of that problem (which is #1 problem with N1 screen for me).
I never owned an iPhone. I don't like anything Apple.. don't like being a fanboy either. Not for WinMo and not for Android.
I like my N1. A leap from the HD. A keeper for me. But that doesn't stop me from pointing out stuff when I see it.
All the best...
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Well.. you obviosly don't want to understand what I am saying and if you are a happy camper with your N1 - so be it.. I will not ruin the fun for you...
But the Clearpad 2000 technology is lacking. We all know the palm wrapping problem offsetting our finger touch if we don't hold the device careful enough... root cause of this is HW and software may ease things up slightly but cannot rid of that problem (which is #1 problem with N1 screen for me).
I never owned an iPhone. I don't like anything Apple.. don't like being a fanboy either. Not for WinMo and not for Android.
I like my N1. A leap from the HD. A keeper for me. But that doesn't stop me from pointing out stuff when I see it.
All the best...
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I for one, find this all very interesting, and from the sounds of it, this guy knows his stuff and it seems pretty factual.
People, its not exactly a bad thing the N1 doesn't have true-multitouch, it is not as if the average consumer will realize this. They will look at whatever involves two fingers as exactly what the iPhone has.
Exactly why though would we need multiple fingers on the screen, other than two? I guess for things such as piano and guitar, but I do not believe this would contribute to many other things..
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Dual touch (two finger) IS multitouch. The common definition of mutitouch is more that one finger. The Iphone is rumored to use the same screen. Apple doesn't reveal it's suppliers.
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" today announced that the Nexus One™ phone uses its ClearPad™ 2000 capacitive touchscreen sensor."
So sad to see that ... I would rather pay an extra 50 bucks for a ClearPad 3000 if 50 is enough, though so far 2 fingers response is enough for me Hope the 2000 is not the source of the touch screen problem.
Looking forward to see info about the chip that N1 uses: "T1007A, 2 0927, AMP08P"
Oh no! Can I only use two fingers with my Nexus One?
Now I must sell it and buy something better... I must use at least three fingers when using the facebook app! An playing the piano on my phone is something i wish to do every day.
Seriously guys... Even if the Nexus has single touch it beats every phone out there today imho. Stop whining what it could have been and just be happy and have some fun with it... =)
Just got this in my work email from my Sprint rep
http://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2010/04/19/t_tt_4g_sprint_evo.cnnmoney/
CNN did an article on 4G and they used the pre-released EVO which means it will be here really soon I hope.. pretty cool check it out
-Charlie
What's with the random audio transitions that pop up?
Regardless of that, it's nice to see an EVO in action.
That video makes the screen look HORRIBLE tons of glare, and it attracted prints like crazy :O
chococrazy said:
That video makes the screen look HORRIBLE tons of glare, and it attracted prints like crazy :O
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But the phone itself is still pretty sweet.
androidlicious said:
But the phone itself is still pretty sweet.
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The phone itself is beatiful :O
My dad refuses to pay for the extra half of it, but Sprint glitched, and I still have my upgrade from my Hero, so I'm buying it myself. Hopefully it'll get rooted quickly!
Why can't ANY of the people who have an EVO (multiple companies) run a **** multitouch test!
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Why can't ANY of the people who have an EVO (multiple companies) run a **** multitouch test!
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I know that the HTC Droid Incredible doesn't have the same multitouch problem as the N1/Desire. So maybe the same could be said for the EVO as well.
Those optical cables must have some crazy bandwidth to support internet for that many people... yeah that demo of the phone was horrible. still, it's the best phone as of now, cant wait, im getting it first day
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I know that the HTC Droid Incredible doesn't have the same multitouch problem as the N1/Desire. So maybe the same could be said for the EVO as well.
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it doesnt check this out http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/
I like the phone, but the Incredible looks kinda big to be pocketable though. Or maybe it is just me...
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it doesnt check this out http://androidandme.com/2010/04/news/htc-incredible-and-evo-4g-to-feature-new-maxtouch-sensors/
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wow.. so freakin cool vid!!!
so.. this thing will work with Fingernails and stylus?? wow
....Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
what the hell does this mean???
....Size and angle of touch supported
side note.. it supports up to 10.2" but she is on a >30" screen.
Dan330 said:
what the hell does this mean???
....Size and angle of touch supported
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From what I can gather, it looks like:
Angle touch is -- touching the device at an angle... Instead of using a stylus to go straight down (90 degrees) to accept, it supports angle touching..
Size touching - it measures the size of what is touching the screen. So you touch with a thumb vs a stylus, it measures the surface areas of the two.
I could be wrong though..
keatre said:
From what I can gather, it looks like:
Angle touch is -- touching the device at an angle... Instead of using a stylus to go straight down (90 degrees) to accept, it supports angle touching..
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that is just silly for it not to do this... who would use the stylus or finger or anything in a 90degree angle? It is normally the point of contact that it registers. So I am guessing there is something else to this, and refers to some future benefit, but I cant think of any.
all just speculation on my part.
Dan330 said:
that is just silly for it not to do this... who would use the stylus or finger or anything in a 90degree angle? It is normally the point of contact that it registers. So I am guessing there is something else to this, and refers to some future benefit, but I cant think of any.
all just speculation on my part.
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Not necessarily. I don't mean an exact 90 degree angle, but rather, a straight touch, and not picking up other parts of the screen...
But you're right, all speculation.
I thought it meant it can sense the angle at which something touches it. So it can tell if it's coming in at 45 or 90 degrees... Could be wrong though.
Sense angle?
How could it do that? A point of contact is just a point correct? To determine angle you would have to go through layers of detection right? A point on top layer compared to a point on a subsequent layer could determine angle, or a camera (multiple/3d) could sense angle, but how could a pad sensing a point (multiple points) on its surface determine angle?
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How could it do that? A point of contact is just a point correct? To determine angle you would have to go through layers of detection right? A point on top layer compared to a point on a subsequent layer could determine angle, or a camera (multiple/3d) could sense angle, but how could a pad sensing a point (multiple points) on its surface determine angle?
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Well... My guess is they do it by the diameter and shape of the sensed finger. It's not actually just a point. It's usually circular and they find the center point and use that. Your touch is generally far bigger than 1px. That's also how they can tell how hard you push down. Harder you push, the bigger the diameter. If you push on an angle, the shape distorts as well. It's not perfect, but I've seen it used. I forget where though.
ViViDboarder said:
Well... My guess is they do it by the diameter and shape of the sensed finger. It's not actually just a point. It's usually circular and they find the center point and use that. Your touch is generally far bigger than 1px. That's also how they can tell how hard you push down. Harder you push, the bigger the diameter. If you push on an angle, the shape distorts as well. It's not perfect, but I've seen it used. I forget where though.
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How does it differentiate between big and small fingers?
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shape recognition?
wow, never thought of that. Seems like too many variables to work well though.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-evo-4g-vs-hd2-and-desire-fight/#2826851
i heared that the incridble screen uses the max touch technology that supports stylus and fingure nails ,so has any one tried it
i heared that the incridble screen uses the max touch technology that supports stylus and fingure nails ,so has any one tried it
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Does not work for me. I don't know is various parts have to be software enabled or is the screen needs to be made of certain material for that additional support. They make capacitive stylus.
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deekjx said:
Does not work for me. I don't know is various parts have to be software enabled or is the screen needs to be made of certain material for that additional support. They make capacitive stylus.
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may be it does not use this new technology at all ,and the enhanced touch is only upgraded driver
It does not work with stylus. Just tried it.
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may be it does not use this new technology at all ,and the enhanced touch is only upgraded driver
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No, we definitely have the new sensor. Multi-touch is rock solid and super-responsive now, just as advertised.
EDIT: I was also wrong, after re-reading the link I posted, it does indeed indicate stylus, gloves, and fingernails -- but they don't in fact work, at least not on the Incredible. I suppose the same sensor could perhaps be used with either resistive or capacitive screens (true?), hence the fingernails/stylus being on the feature list, but not supported in our capacitive devices.
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No, we definitely have the new sensor. Multi-touch is rock solid and super-responsive now, just as advertised.
EDIT: I was also wrong, after re-reading the link I posted, it does indeed indicate stylus, gloves, and fingernails -- but they don't in fact work, at least not on the Incredible. I suppose the same sensor could perhaps be used with either resistive or capacitive screens (true?), hence the fingernails/stylus being on the feature list, but not supported in our capacitive devices.
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resistive digitizers are copmletly diffrent than capactive digitizers ,different technology ,different way of operation
I've been thinking all along that Nexus 7 would have a capacitative touchscreen, like all modern quality tablets. Never did it cross my mind it could be the resistive, more crappy, kind found on many low budget Chinese tablets.
However the UBM TechInsights teardown threw off alarms on my head by showing two resistive screen controllers:
ELAN Microelectronics eKTF3624BWS – Controller for Resistive Touchscreen
ELAN Microelectronics eKTH1036BWS – Controller for the Resistive Touchscreen
Can someone already with the tablet confirm which kind it is and report back? I think a simple test is just trying to use the back of a regular pen.
If it works with the pen it's resistive, if not it's capacitative.
Thanks guys!
One thing Google DEFINITELY didn't and wouldn't skimp on is this.
Don't worry, it's a standard touch screen. Trust me, if it was resistive you'd know. The internet would be up n arms, and this tablet would NOT be successful.
Thanks elcapitaine, but after the MHL saga I'm hoping to be sure of this. The reviews have told us surprisingly very little about the the hardware side of things.
I was re-reading the Verge's review to see if they picked up anything and noticed this: "To my eyes, this is definitely a software problem, but I didn’t see similar issues on the Galaxy Nexus with Jelly Bean, so this will remain a question mark. Simply put, sometimes when you’re scrolling quickly (say, on the homescreen), the scroll will not follow your finger, and instead snap back the page to the one you were trying to move away from."
So users may be assuming that any inconsistent behaviour is down to software glitches, when in reality it's the touchscreen itself.
I'm really a bit worried about this.
i can absolutely guarantee you that it's capacitive.
if it was resistive then we would know from engadget, verge, ign, or one of any thousand blogs.
Can anyone now confirm this since it's actually out now? Saw some apple fanboy going on about how the N7 had a touch resistive screen on a blog at Engadget, but couldn't find much either way on the net. Can anyone do the pen test?
Because as much as I want the N7, a resistive touch screen would be sufficient to make suffer using this POS iPad 1 until the next go-around.
It's capacitive, this isn't 2002.
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Can anyone now confirm this since it's actually out now? Saw some apple fanboy going on about how the N7 had a touch resistive screen on a blog at Engadget, but couldn't find much either way on the net. Can anyone do the pen test?
Because as much as I want the N7, a resistive touch screen would be sufficient to make suffer using this POS iPad 1 until the next go-around.
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Lmfao I don't think you know how hard resistive screens are to use.. They're **** and have crap multi touch.
OF COURSE the N7 is capacative, it'd be worthy of the garbage bin if it wasn't. Even $100 Chinese tabs are capacative these days.
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Lmfao I don't think you know how hard resistive screens are to use.. They're **** and have crap multi touch.
OF COURSE the N7 is capacative, it'd be worthy of the garbage bin if it wasn't. Even $100 Chinese tabs are capacative these days.
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Lol. I know exactly how much a pain in the ass touch resistive is, thus my disinclination to purchase the N7 IF it truly did have a touch resistive screen.
Though I admit that TR screens have come a long way since we all learned to hate them on the early palm devices. Most of our high-end drafting tables for our engineers at my company use TR screens, because there are some legitimate benefits to having a resistive screen over a capacative screen when you're drafting. But I definitely don't want one on a tablet. At least until palms new TR/TC hybrid screens start gaining traction. I think then we'll start to see some neat haptic screen techniques that weren't possible before.
But thanks for assuring me the screen is TC. Think I'll purchase my N7 now (though I'd kill for a 3G variant...).