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"3 reasons why Google Android will fail" -- Article from Nov of 2007

http://www.thoughtgadgets.com/2007/11/game-over-3-reasons-why-google-android.html
Ok, so this is of course old news, I just stumbled over the article by accident a few minutes ago and thought I'd share because of the hilarity of it all. It was a pretty laughable article in 2007, but even more so now when Android is in full swing and is getting better by the month and more and more manufacturers joins the OHA.
Hindsight 20/20 and all that, but most of us hardcore Androiders knew Android would not fail, despite what a few self-proclaimed experts said on their blogs. We knew it even as far back as 2007/2008. Ben Kunz obviously didn't, though.

Lol just read this Ben Kunz what a MOD EDIT
think of your choice of wording when you post.
thank you

I remember reading this a long time ago. I laughed then, but it is even funnier now. The comments are almost equally funny.

To answer Ben Kunz article
Android to grow faster than iPhone in 2009?
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/05/11/android.to.grow.900pc/

xxvtcxx said:
Android to grow faster than iPhone in 2009?
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/05/11/android.to.grow.900pc/
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It's heartening news, but you gotta consider that percentage growth is one of those marketing spin numbers. A platform that is selling 1M units in 2008 experiencing a 900% growth sells an additional 9M. A platform selling 10M units in 2008 only has to grow 90% to experience the same increase in sales growth.

Well, to be honest, if the G1 looked like that prototype picture...I wouldn't have bought it. That is one seriously ugly looking phone with a tiny ass screen.

ExploreMN said:
Well, to be honest, if the G1 looked like that prototype picture...I wouldn't have bought it. That is one seriously ugly looking phone with a tiny ass screen.
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True, but as a self-proclaimed expert on all things tech he should of course have known Android is not about hardware (let alone about prototype hardware). Android is about software.
I knew that as soon as I first heard and read about Android back in 2007, I bet you knew that, and I also bet most people on this forum knew that -- we knew the possibilities was and is almost endless. Ben Kunz, however, did not. And he wrote a downright stupid article about it, showing off his ignorance.
It did bring us lots of amusement though, so kudos to Ben for making a fool out of himself

Think about google as a company. Starting with a school project and growing to what is now. Everything google owns is destined to succeed. They have a huge master plan and everything they do/own is tied into each other in one way or another.

CBowley said:
Think about google as a company. Starting with a school project and growing to what is now. Everything google owns is destined to succeed. They have a huge master plan and everything they do/own is tied into each other in one way or another.
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You mean they have synergy? LOL

ExploreMN said:
Well, to be honest, if the G1 looked like that prototype picture...I wouldn't have bought it. That is one seriously ugly looking phone with a tiny ass screen.
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I've got one of the prototype phones for testing... while its no G1, the keyboard is a lot nicer to use. For folks who just want a simple lightweight texting phone, I can see it being pretty attractive.
Some pix:
http://picasaweb.google.com/jashsu/EXCA300?authkey=Gv1sRgCMjAkfWGiaD0Tw#

jashsu said:
I've got one of the prototype phones for testing... while its no G1, the keyboard is a lot nicer to use. For folks who just want a simple lightweight texting phone, I can see it being pretty attractive.
Some pix:
http://picasaweb.google.com/jashsu/EXCA300?authkey=Gv1sRgCMjAkfWGiaD0Tw#
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"Main screen turn on" -- That's absolutely brilliant!

1 reason why that article fails.
Android is awsome.
Nuff' said.

Sure won't turn to them for marketing advice lol.

Ryanmo5 said:
Sure won't turn to them for marketing advice lol.
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Well, maybe you could ask him for advice and then always do the exact opposite. I bet that would be a pretty effective strategy.

Sounds like he was one of the kids that mommy wouldn't buy him a RAZR so now he is having a temper tantrum. lol

jashsu said:
I've got one of the prototype phones for testing... while its no G1, the keyboard is a lot nicer to use. For folks who just want a simple lightweight texting phone, I can see it being pretty attractive.
Some pix:
http://picasaweb.google.com/jashsu/EXCA300?authkey=Gv1sRgCMjAkfWGiaD0Tw#
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I hear what you are saying, but lets...for arguments sake...equate a cell phone to a woman (no offense to women...but its the best modern day analogy I can make at the moment).
Okay, men (in this case the generic term "men" means "customers") look for a woman, they want it all...sexy, intelligent, and able to do a lot of things (interpret that as you see fit).
A G1 fits most of that. A G1, while not the sexiest in the world, is decent enough looking...but what she lacks in looks she makes up for by being highly intelligent and capable of performing a variety of tasks you may hope she can do...as a woman.
The Android prototype in the picture may be able to do a lot of tasks, but she can't do everything...and, while intelligent, she is seriously to fat (wide), to short (squat and square) and way too fricken ugly to really be considered anything more than a friend (like when you look at your buddies cell phone that was a free give-away for signing a contract).
Now, to really get the whole package, Android phones need to take a page from Apple's book and make something super sexy like an iPhone with all the other Android and tech components in the G1...only with longer battery life.

mannyb said:
Well, maybe you could ask him for advice and then always do the exact opposite. I bet that would be a pretty effective strategy.
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Haha yeah that might work huh?

Honestly, I'm not too attracted to the iphone. It's plane, too skinny to be comfy, has one button, not my type. Maybe if she was the last girl in the bar at the end of the night i'd take her home, but i'd leave before she woke up and deny it to my friends..

The exact reason why Android based phones are going to blow away Apple and Blackberry.
http://www.googleandblog.com/adobe-...d-at-mobile-world-congress-in-barcelona/3785/

HAHA at "not even close".... suckers.

So I showed my evo to a friend....

And I realized why most people find it hard to use smartphones other than the iPhone. It is not based around the concept of 'iPhone is naturally easier because it just WORKS' but more along the lines of people have this notion that smartphones SHOULD behave/look like the iPhone.
For instance, when I showed my friend my Evo he looked at the screen and said "Where are the apps?" I said I only keep a few on the main screen that I use frequently such as SMS/Phone/Voicemail/Dropbox etc but the rest are in the app drawer. He said "Yeah... but that's gay they should all be on the screens" after switching from screen to screen only to find a few apps here and there I realized that people are accustomed to the clutter and confusion of iOS rather than the simplicity and organization of Android. It really seems counter intuitive to me. While the iPhone is a ****ing AMAZING phone (whoever says otherwise is a fanboy) it definitely loses in some areas to Android but people base their standards off the iOS which is a clear bias. I never knew how much of a grasp Apple has on the smartphone industry until this event. Coming from a Blackberry and having owned an iPod I found the transitions to be seamless but I also worked at IT for a long duration.
The conclusion I reached was that the notion of Android is harder to use because you need to be a geek to understand it is also false. Android is not more difficult to use, it is just different in itself. Turning on wifi on an iPhone is the same process. Downloading an APP is the same as well. Making phone calls and sending texts are identical. Hopefully we can see a growth in smartphone technologies that embrace the BEST possible user experience which I believe goes to Android for their sheer volume of phones as well as operating system capabilities.

Sounds like your describing that evo vs. iphone video on youtube and your friend is the character repeating "I don't care".
Are you happy with your device? Does it do what you want the way you want?
You are all that matters....
good day.

Kinda... but its not utter stupidity - more ignorance. What I am trying to say is that the iPhone has been the epitome of what a touchscreen smartphone SHOULD look and behave like.
I enjoy Android but I honestly got the Evo because of Sprints plan coupled in with unlimited bandwidth was a great money saving choice for a smart phone. Also, the fact that I can roam on Verizon meant I could get signal where an iPhone could not.
Honestly though, if I could get an iPhone on Sprints network with unlimited data + tethering as I do now for under $80 I would jump on that offer. Really love that phone and the game development is skyrocketing. I do enjoy the Evo, however. Cant complain about its amazing screen size and custom roms I can put in. Also the free tethering is nice

I guess your conclusion also explains why in every smartphone review, the iPhone is mentioned several times also.

Yup. Now if only we could get that phone out of the ATT deathgrip.

werxen said:
Yup. Now if only we could get that phone out of the ATT deathgrip.
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So you do want the iphone...
I'm not surprised that the iphone is the standard - there are a lot more of them than any other smartphone. And they're very nice phones.
That said, I much prefer my evo. Even if the iphone became available outside AT&T, I'm sticking with android. While the iphone has more games (and fart apps), android allows more customization. I'm also not limited to a single controlled app market. Finally, my aging eyes love the large screen.

My girlfriend has a mytouch slide and after having the phone for a week I was showing her how to use it and she didn't even realize there was a menu button. You miss out on an awful lot without using that button lol.
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People forget that the average Joe is a moron.

bigmoogle said:
So you do want the iphone...
I'm not surprised that the iphone is the standard - there are a lot more of them than any other smartphone. And they're very nice phones.
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Pretty sure the BB curve still holds the crown.
That said, I am moving my mom from her BB curve to an EVO in December. I'll do the same with the EVO that I did with the curve. I will set it up so everything she wants is on the home screens. I'll give it a nice, clean look and make sure the fonts are right, etc.
She wants it for the big screen, not because it is fast, customizable, or anything else.

TheBiles said:
People forget that the average Joe is a moron.
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Or completely uninterested in technology. I'm sure there are plenty of people with brains and advanced degrees that could not care much less about stuff that is possible with their phone.

TheBiles said:
People forget that the average Joe is a moron.
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I prefer: Common sense is not that common.
I agree with the OP 100%. People are creatures of habit and don't realize that in the same way a PC differs from a MAC, an Android phone will differ from iOS based phone. I think that people will buy anything that has a lower case "i" in front of it just because Apple found a niche in the way they advertise. I don't have a problem with their products. My beef with them is based on their communist approach to business and the fact that they don't care about their customers.
Personally, I have never nor will I ever buy anything Apple. It has nothing to do with being an Android fan-boy so much as it is about being an Apple hater. lol Although I will say that my first experience with Android has left me wanting to kick myself for not switching over sooner.

rugedraw said:
I prefer: Common sense is not that common.
I agree with the OP 100%. People are creatures of habit and don't realize that in the same way a PC differs from a MAC, an Android phone will differ from iOS based phone. I think that people will buy anything that has a lower case "i" in front of it just because Apple found a niche in the way they advertise. I don't have a problem with their products. My beef with them is based on their communist approach to business and the fact that they don't care about their customers.
Personally, I have never nor will I ever buy anything Apple. It has nothing to do with being an Android fan-boy so much as it is about being an Apple hater. lol Although I will say that my first experience with Android has left me wanting to kick myself for not switching over sooner.
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I'm nebenezer and I approve this message
I made the terrible mistake of buying my g/f an iPod nano about a year ago. I really should have known better but she really wanted it. I got her hooked on Android with her Hero last Dec and she is now enamored with her EVO. My current challenge is I'm trying to convince her to let me see if I can hit her iPod with a .50 cal round at about 400 yards.
I'd settle for using my AR at 200 yards but the .50 would be so much more gratifying

nebenezer said:
I'm nebenezer and I approve this message
I made the terrible mistake of buying my g/f an iPod nano about a year ago. I really should have known better but she really wanted it. I got her hooked on Android with her Hero last Dec and she is now enamored with her EVO. My current challenge is I'm trying to convince her to let me see if I can hit her iPod with a .50 cal round at about 400 yards.
I'd settle for using my AR at 200 yards but the .50 would be so much more gratifying
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Bwahaha! My girl wanted an iPod for her birthday a few years back, and when she opened the box, there was a Zune in it. She looked at me as if I had just said something about her momma. After a week, she was loving it. She was able to remove that resource-hungry iTunes software from her computer (she had it on there because of an iPod Shuffle she previously was using but broke), and it made her computer faster, too.
If you ever take the .50 cal to the iPod, make sure you use the Evo to capture the event.

rugedraw said:
Bwahaha! My girl wanted an iPod for her birthday a few years back, and when she opened the box, there was a Zune in it. She looked at me as if I had just said something about her momma. After a week, she was loving it. She was able to remove that resource-hungry iTunes software from her computer (she had it on there because of an iPod Shuffle she previously was using but broke), and it made her computer faster, too.
If you ever take the .50 cal to the iPod, make sure you use the Evo to capture the event.
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Yeah, I got it for her but with the caveat that it could only ever make a usb connection with HER COMPUTER.
I think I'll have to actually get her a raplacement before she'll give it up. I'm thinking either a Zune or a 16gb microsd card for her EVO.
Also, rest assured if I ever do get her iPod out to the range.. the event will be captured and shared

iPhone is a bit too easy and locked down for my tastes. I like being able to apply themes, change my Home app, etc. I think that alone makes Android look much better than iPhone. My iPhone friend who is an Apple fanboy agrees that the Android setup is much better and widgets are awesome.
Icons on icons is ugly to me. It's almost insulting.

nebenezer said:
Yeah, I got it for her but with the caveat that it could only ever make a usb connection with HER COMPUTER.
I think I'll have to actually get her a raplacement before she'll give it up. I'm thinking either a Zune or a 16gb microsd card for her EVO.
Also, rest assured if I ever do get her iPod out to the range.. the event will be captured and shared
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Zune HD ftw. I have had a 16 gig since launch day. Sexy screen, light and portable, and best of all the battery life is ****ing outstanding. Also, the best music browsing/playability out of any device to date.

Yea, the Zune is pretty. Although to be honest, I would invest in a 32GB SD card for my Evo and use that instead of using two separate devices. While the UI of the Zune is pretty, I wouldn't spend the money on it when I have a phone I already carry with me all the time that can do the same thing.

werxen said:
Zune HD ftw. I have had a 16 gig since launch day. Sexy screen, light and portable, and best of all the battery life is ****ing outstanding. Also, the best music browsing/playability out of any device to date.
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Look dude, I'm not trying to start more shiz in another one of your threads.. I'm appalled by your behavior in your WTF WIFI?!?! thread, but that's another story. I'm asking you politely to check your language. You could have just as, if not more effectively covered your point without dropping an f-bomb.. Again, not trying to start shiz.
I have no experience with zune but everyone I know that has one LOVES it, and several of them have models that are OOOLLLDDD, so that says something to me about build quality. On the other hand, a big sdcard full of music would conveniently negate the need for another device to purchase and keep charged, but would likely mean I'd have to hook her up with another battery or two or an extended battery. Oh what a dilemma, now I have to research and purchase more technology

nebenezer said:
Look dude, I'm not trying to start more shiz in another one of your threads.. I'm appalled by your behavior in your WTF WIFI?!?! thread, but that's another story. I'm asking you politely to check your language. You could have just as, if not more effectively covered your point without dropping an f-bomb.. Again, not trying to start shiz.
I have no experience with zune but everyone I know that has one LOVES it, and several of them have models that are OOOLLLDDD, so that says something to me about build quality. On the other hand, a big sdcard full of music would conveniently negate the need for another device to purchase and keep charged, but would likely mean I'd have to hook her up with another battery or two or an extended battery. Oh what a dilemma, now I have to research and purchase more technology
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Okay fine lets agree to be police to so others don't have to deal with it.
I was thinking about getting an SD card for my Evo but the only crappy thing is I want to carry my music around in places that I don't want to take my phone like the gym. Not only are phones prohibited in some gyms, I couldn't bear to accidentally drop a weight on my phone or get too sweaty and short it out etc etc. Although I love my Zune and it cost me as much as my Evo did, it is not nearly the same device as far as capabilities.
Plus, another thing with the Evo is you don't really need an extra sd card. Just setup Dropbox accounts and you're good to go. I have all my music on dropbox and I just stream it perfectly.

Not to hijack, but I also have a dropbox account. How are you streaming music to your evo?
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Sat next a dude who also had a Xoom...

... on the bus and we spent the rest of ride back conversating loudly about our awesome tablets, while being surrounded by iPad users. Shortest bus ride home ever...
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nice, its the best tablet no one seems to be talking about. I think people were waiting for the ipad and to be honest that underwelmed but folks are still going to flock to it

Some guy asked me "is that an iPad?" I said "no, its a Xoom." You should've seen the look of befuddlement on his face....

Its sad that people don't know about the Xoom. Even worse when the same people ask, "why didn't you get an iPad?"
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chernggoh said:
Even worse when the same people ask, "why didn't you get an iPad?"
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True, but I like "enlightening" them Sometimes I think they even understand

codeman05 said:
True, but I like "enlightening" them Sometimes I think they even understand
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Trust me. They don't.

Just give it time. Motorola screwed up with opening with the most expensive model when they should have gone with the wifi only version out of the gate. Regardless it will only be a matter of a few short months when Android tablets will be everywhere...and then...the developers will come running.
IOS is a joke but it works and it is simple. Apple will not change that which means the software innovation will be left up to Google. As soon as Apple makes their system even slightly more confusing...all bets are off. Icons are for smart phones in 2008...it is 2011 and soon people will want more and they will want choice...
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Bukem75 said:
Trust me. They don't.
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Mostly don't, some even asked me what's so good about android, I had to ask them the same thing about iOS and they can't even explain that to me xD

I was having dinner with some friends tonight and whipped out my XOOM to show off the NES emulator (the pattern on the table cloths looked like Tetris, so it was only inevitable.)
The waiter came over and was like "Wha...How did you get Zelda on the iPad??" and I was like "It was really easy, actually! I downloaded it from the Android market, because it's a Motorola XOOM. You can't do that with an iPad unless you jailbreak it."
He was in awe. lol

colbyb25 said:
Just give it time. Motorola screwed up with opening with the most expensive model when they should have gone with the wifi only version out of the gate. Regardless it will only be a matter of a few short months when Android tablets will be everywhere...and then...the developers will come running.
IOS is a joke but it works and it is simple. Apple will not change that which means the software innovation will be left up to Google. As soon as Apple makes their system even slightly more confusing...all bets are off. Icons are for smart phones in 2008...it is 2011 and soon people will want more and they will want choice...
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Agreed. Who wants multiple screens with a bunch of icons when you can actually make your screens look like a web site with various widgets with useful information that matters to you.

I feel it too. Everyone seems consumed by the *cough* ipad, that they don't realize tablets even exist for android. The xoom kills 'em all! Android is sooooo much better than the other *cough again* competitors. Once an "apple" lover sees the xoom in action they'll sure change to the better side!
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I would reply "Err what's iPad btw?" And let them explain then we can have fun asking the shortcomings
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Some guy asked me "is that an iPad?" I said "no, its a Xoom." You should've seen the look of befuddlement on his face....
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A girl at my school saw me playing fruit ninja on my XOOM and said "how did you get the iPad 2 already?" *facepalm*

JC3 said:
A girl at my school saw me playing fruit ninja on my XOOM and said "how did you get the iPad 2 already?" *facepalm*
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Should've said "how did you become a dumbass?"
might be a bit overboard, but it'd get the point across.

These people aren't dumb nor is it their fault that they're not aware of the Xoom. You should be more annoyed at Motorola's marketing. I have seen one commercial and quite honestly....it sucked.
I think Android will always have this problem...Apple is one company and Android devices are made by a number of different manufacturers. Makes it hard to market Android as a whole. I guess things will get easier once the market is flooded with Android tablets.
Best thing to do is point out the positives of Android vs IOS without being a d-bag.
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Really lame fanboy comments on here, but it's a Xoom forum so it's excusable i guess.
If you like your Xoom, then fine, why deride others who like their iPads? If nobody you've come across knows about the Xoom or keeps mistaking it for some sort of iPad-thingy, then whose fault is that? Those people are neither stupid or dumb like you all seem to think. I have an Epic and an iPad, both of which i like and use quite well. Won't be getting a Xoom, not interested, waiting to see the Galaxy tablet.
Where's the marketing from Motorola, where's the push from VZW? You'd think that these were the same folks who made a big push with the "Droid Does" phone campaign that brought Android awareness to all and sunder.
Walk into any BestBuy and see where and how they've displayed the Xoom. It's in some nondescript corner somewhere with no ecosystem of accessories around it (at least the NYC store here). Almost like an afterthought...just something else we carry. No eye-catching signage, no display props, very little employees who go out of their way to even know about it...

This is what kills me why does there need to be marketing for a product you already know about hand possibly own? Plus aple users tend to be vocal about their devices as well fanactical to some extent which is fine. Why do people feel the need to judtify their own purchases or need to bash one in order to like another? I have a xoom, bought an I pad that I never see(wife and kids's really) and think both serve their purpose. Also one of apples biggest strengths isn't their products but their marketing.

You must all be using some different kind of Xoom then me. I love android more then any other OS but this thing is the biggest piece of janky **** I have ever used. Nothing works, everything force closes. Coming from a galaxy tab this is a giant step DOWN. Granted it ran froyo, but it ran it flawlessly. My friends nook color runs honeycomb better then this. Every minute I use this thing I get more frustrated. Picked it up last night bringing it back within the hour. Huge let down.
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I understand where you're coming from, LordLugard, and honestly I don't think people are stupid because they think the xoom is an ipad. Its just my humorous criticism of how I hate apple! Lol. Why? Because apple sucks. Why? ...just because. Lol. Im not being negative towards anybody, but think its funny. And I can care less about the exploitation of the xoom. I actually like being a part of something that's not so trendy. However, Motorola is making a lot of mistakes by not marketing the device properly and shipping it off "incomplete". Also, the xoom is super expensive...but I am definitely a happy camper! Its perfect for school, play, and among other things. Xoom xoom baby!
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LordLugard said:
Really lame fanboy comments on here, but it's a Xoom forum so it's excusable i guess.
If you like your Xoom, then fine, why deride others who like their iPads? If nobody you've come across knows about the Xoom or keeps mistaking it for some sort of iPad-thingy, then whose fault is that? Those people are neither stupid or dumb like you all seem to think. I have an Epic and an iPad, both of which i like and use quite well. Won't be getting a Xoom, not interested, waiting to see the Galaxy tablet.
Where's the marketing from Motorola, where's the push from VZW? You'd think that these were the same folks who made a big push with the "Droid Does" phone campaign that brought Android awareness to all and sunder.
Walk into any BestBuy and see where and how they've displayed the Xoom. It's in some nondescript corner somewhere with no ecosystem of accessories around it (at least the NYC store here). Almost like an afterthought...just something else we carry. No eye-catching signage, no display props, very little employees who go out of their way to even know about it...
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NYC is very much an iPad "keeping up with the Jones" kind of place. I can hear the conversation now. "Have you seen the latest iPad, simply incredible, I must have one". "Wilfred will you hold Tootsey so I can run to the Apple Store".
Handguns and Xooms will probably be banned at Starbucks.

Arrogant iPad 2 Commercial: "We Believe"

Now that Samsung is faster, thinner, and lighter than the ipad 2, apparently that doesn't matter to steve jobs any more.
Thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEpaPEbjzI

Honestly, isn't it the case now that Jobs isn't spearing the marketing campaign anymore? The commercials lack the douchey weird quality that they had and now almost seem boring, cold. Maybe it's just me...
But yea, when one marketing strategy doesn't work you shift to another.

Ipad 2 strategy up to now has been mostly about speed, weight, size, and to a much lesser extent, apps. Now that the first three are not theirs for much longer, apple is doing damage control marketing to go back on what they said before... Speed, weight, and size are nice... But it's all about the apps... Standard apple douche move.
Sure it sounds bad, but I cannot wait for jobs to die. Then some of the dislike I have for apple might go... But I doubt it.

Haha well I don't Llke Steve jobs either but I don't really want him to die but to each their own I guess haha
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Bukem75 said:
Ipad 2 strategy up to now has been mostly about speed, weight, size, and to a much lesser extent, apps. Now that the first three are not theirs for much longer, apple is doing damage control marketing to go back on what they said before... Speed, weight, and size are nice... But it's all about the apps... Standard apple douche move.
Sure it sounds bad, but I cannot wait for jobs to die. Then some of the dislike I have for apple might go... But I doubt it.
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Are you serious right now? You want someone to drop dead because they know how to market their products properly? Apple is a business. Business is about money. If you have to bash your competition, and make your product seem like a god compared to all the others, you will do it. Hate him if you will, he knows what he is doing. He is a sleezy business man making millions with a cult like following for his brand. However, his attitude is a major flaw. He doesn't seem like the nicest of people.

Eclair~ said:
Are you serious right now? You want someone to drop dead because they know how to market their products properly? Apple is a business. Business is about money. If you have to bash your competition, and make your product seem like a god compared to all the others, you will do it. Hate him if you will, he knows what he is doing. He is a sleezy business man making millions with a cult like following for his brand. However, his attitude is a major flaw. He doesn't seem like the nicest of people.
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Yes, I think jobs is a prick and an elitist arsehole since I became aware of him in the 80ies. It's mostly his personality (snobbish commercials and lack of choice in hardware also) that keep me from giving apple a fair shake when evaluating their products. With him truly out of the picture... The choice in hardware is better...
Like you said, cult of personality. I can't stand cults

Isn't Jobs on medical leave still? Since I haven't read news about "OMG, Steve Jobs is now back and doing well again!" But then again, I don't know the process these big companies go through.

What apple has over any android tablet is availability here the the uk, you can walk into any electronics retailer and buy an ipad, but if you want an android tablet (example asus transformer, acer iconia which are both for sale) 'can i buy one today, over the counter'? no you'll have to order one which takes a week
What's the point of having electrical retailers that don't know what retail means?
The basics of supply and demand
If i wanted to buy online and wait a week i would buy from ebay

In here the Netherlands, you must wait a month to get an ipad2.
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What apple has over any android tablet is availability here the the uk, you can walk into any electronics retailer and buy an ipad, but if you want an android tablet (example asus transformer, acer iconia which are both for sale) 'can i buy one today, over the counter'? no you'll have to order one which takes a week
What's the point of having electrical retailers that don't know what retail means?
The basics of supply and demand
If i wanted to buy online and wait a week i would buy from ebay
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You can walk into pc world and buy an android tablet over the counter and buyitdirect sell them over the counter too. Including the acer iconia.
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Tyrian89 said:
You can walk into pc world and buy an android tablet over the counter and buyitdirect sell them over the counter too. Including the acer iconia.
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PC world have never heard of the Asus transformer, and the iconia is mail order only
Buyitdirect won't have the transformer until may.
On the television news today they're stating that retails sales are lowest for 11 months!! is it hardly surprising. If you read a review about something that's ****, and would spend twice the time being repaired than what you would using it, then we've got loads of those, but if you want something that's remotely decent we don't stock it in store.
Might as well live in outback Botswana

It may be going about it different but usually big corporations tend to try something new if the first doesnt work. I can't blame Steve Job...but then again I'm not a super hardcore wish someone dead for making a ipad commercial android fan.

You can get a vega, xoom and one or two other android tablets at pcworld.
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Ahaha, I love how apple, having nothing to show except scaled up iphone apps is forcing into the ad "medical professionals uses of the ipad".
Not only this looks elitist and even colder but it is also completly unappropriate for medical use. I do work into the field of radiology and hell a 1080* res screen is way way way too much fail to look at radios or CT scans. You'd have to zoom in all the time and miss the bigger picture. Another point is also that a iOS device cannot plug into a classic medical environment that is 99% of the times using windows computers or remote servers without even a WIFI connectivity for security reasons.
Too long didn't read : Apple ipad2 makes you a doctor and allows your spoiled children to draw numbers with their fingers while their brain and cerebellous white matter is wiring, so that obviously, they won't even be able to handle a pen later on. Technology is not enough, you just need the smug.

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Ahaha, I love how apple, having nothing to show except scaled up iphone apps is forcing into the ad "medical professionals uses of the ipad".
Not only this looks elitist and even colder but it is also completly unappropriate for medical use. I do work into the field of radiology and hell a 1080* res screen is way way way too much fail to look at radios or CT scans. You'd have to zoom in all the time and miss the bigger picture. Another point is also that a iOS device cannot plug into a classic medical environment that is 99% of the times using windows computers or remote servers without even a WIFI connectivity for security reasons.
Too long didn't read : Apple ipad2 makes you a doctor and allows your spoiled children to draw numbers with their fingers while their brain and cerebellous white matter is wiring, so that obviously, they won't even be able to handle a pen later on. Technology is not enough, you just need the smug.
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Yea the whole medical app thing is a bit comical to me. I guess it's nice to have, but so what? 99.9% of the people who own an iPad don't buy one for the functionality mentioned there. Apple touted "thinner, lighter, faster" until none of those were true anymore and now it's "all about the apps". Outside of Netflix, there's nothing that it has that I want.

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While I agree that the commercial is excessive, what marketing isn't. Let's keep it friendly in here, as many users here on XDA also happen to like iPads.

Bukem75 said:
Now that Samsung is faster, thinner, and lighter than the ipad 2, apparently that doesn't matter to steve jobs any more.
Thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEpaPEbjzI
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Below is recent iPad 2 commercial from apple about how great there product is. It is half way down the page. You have to watch a 30 sec ad before the video plays.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381447,00.asp
Also below is a video that apple will be airing soon on there new product that is coming out later this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l24Sy4BWeOk

DensoYamaha41 said:
Below is recent iPad 2 commercial from apple about how great there product is. It is half way down the page. You have to watch a 30 sec ad before the video plays.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381447,00.asp
Also below is a video that apple will be airing soon on there new product that is coming out later this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l24Sy4BWeOk
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lol, awesome

Something that made me mad today

I was in my anatomy and physiology class today, and I had my iconia with me. I was on Google body and splashtop hd, when a kid behind me asked what tablet I had. So I told him and then he said oh and then pulled out is icrap and started messing around with it showing the person next to him all the things it does. About 20 mins later, the guy that he was showing his pad to asked him, "why is the kids( my iconia) is faster and what is the difference". And then I hear the guy with the I pad say, "oh that's a android tablet, its for poorer people who can't afford an ipad. Its like a cheep mockup. Its not faster it just seems like it because it only runs simple corny apps." He knew I heard him, he said it deliberately. I wanted to blow up after I heard him say that. >:-o
I'll stop there before I act like a troll, lol , just needed show you how much I love apple fanboys
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You should have put that punk in his place! What a complete loser!

I just laughed after instead of arguing. You know how apple arguments turn out though
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Doesn't this sound like an episode of South Park?
hehe

GShyneDM said:
Doesn't this sound like an episode of South Park?
hehe
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XD lol
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Screw the tablet talk, I would have turned around and cracked him in the face for trying to be a smart ass.

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Screw the tablet talk, I would have turned around and cracked him in the face for trying to be a smart ass.
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With his IPad just to show him how fragile it is lol

Screw the ipad I would of slapped him with my heavy aluminum iconia lol

I would have either stalked him after class in order to kick his ass, plugged my thumb drive into my Iconia, or simple said that iPads are for people too stupid to use Android.
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Why lower yourself to this persons level? If he wants to believe his iPad is the bees knees, let him. Just show those same folks the difference when he's not around and let them decide for themselves.

It has been my observation for some time now that while there are some people who use Apple and iOS purely for functionality, so much of the time it is about having the "in" thing and being able to show off to others. It is not that the iPad is better at all, it because it is like a fashion statement. This anecdotal tale reveals just one more example of it. People think they are hot snot on a silver platter but in the end they just show they are nothing more then cold buggers on a paper plate.

You should have loaded a flash animation type website. And asked him to do the sa.me.
Then show his friends.or play a videofor the flash drive in your pocket.take him thru all the settings configuration. Or GPS a map to his house.take a decent picture of him holding his ipad. There camera is lame
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msimindlessmsi2 said:
plugged my thumb drive into my Iconia, or simple said that iPads are for people too stupid to use Android.
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Amen! How the OP kept his mouth shut is beyond me. There's no way I would have let that kind of ignorance fly around me. I probably would have fired up an emulator and started playing just to show off a bit

erica_renee said:
You should have loaded a flash animation type website. And asked him to do the sa.me.
Then show his friends.or play a videofor the flash drive in your pocket.take him thru all the settings configuration. Or GPS a map to his house.take a decent picture of him holding his ipad. There camera is lame
Oops I guess you get the idea
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This happened to me, although unintentionally. I was somewhere with my cousin, where he already had wifi set up on the local hotspot, but I didn't. Someone else asked us to look up a web page, and naturally it took me a little longer cause I had to put in the wifi credentials.
Well, it turns out, he couldn't load the page cause it was mostly flash. I could. I wasn't smug, because he had already acknowledged that android was the superior product. Back when he bought his, iPad was the only viable option. He is also the type to technologically draw within the lines, so ipad fits his needs perfectly.
I've had the Mac vs non-Mac agrument before with other people, though. The sad thing is, you will never win this argument with reason. Mac addiction is akin to religious zealotry; they will go to any length or rational to justify the position that a Mac product is superior.
In addition to that, Mac simply has better brand recognition. You can build a tablet that is faster, thinner, lighter, better in every way and half the price; people will still walk right past it at the store because they want the one with the Mac logo.
They want to be able to tell their friends they have an iPad.
I've noticed that android phones are getting a little more public recognition now, though. This is anecdotal, but I've noticed that when I pull out my Samsung phone, most people know it's an android and can draw the distinction between android and iphone. I don't imagine it will be long before android tablets get the same treatment.
Give it time.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't have any problems finding apps on this thing. Sure there aren't as many as the iPad but after a while all you get are 50 versions of the exact same thing.
One thing I should point out is that there STILL isn't a facebook app for the iPad. There is one for the iPhone but no tablet optimized version yet, and after how long since the first iPad came out?

If I were you I would show him a random cool flash site and ask him to go to it on his ipad so we can see how it scales up(or smth like that) and when he fails at loading it I would laugh my ass off.

If I were you, I will not care at all. My Tablet serves me fine and I don't care about what others are using. I use the tools I need, not the tools others need, and for me Android is being fine. I use to have an iPad and it wouldn't adapt to my needs, so I got ride of it. Nothing wrong about the iPad, simply it didn't fill my needs. I'm not married to an OS, whatever it will be iOS, Android, WebOS, Windows8. I can't switch easily to another table if I find a reason to do it. I don't care about the OS but about the applications and be able to use all my potential with the tablet.
So enjoy your tablet, continue with life and don't pay attention to the background noise.

hardslog said:
I don't know about you guys, but I don't have any problems finding apps on this thing. Sure there aren't as many as the iPad but after a while all you get are 50 versions of the exact same thing.
One thing I should point out is that there STILL isn't a facebook app for the iPad. There is one for the iPhone but no tablet optimized version yet, and after how long since the first iPad came out?
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Same here, I can find any app that I need. Apple does have a lot of good apps but that's because developers go to apple first. But now that apple is making it a pain to upload apps ( especially if its better then theirs) to the store, dev are now going to android
In a year or even a few months android will be number one for apps
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Show off a porn app and ask him if Apple allows that on there App store..

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Show off a porn app and ask him if Apple allows that on there App store..
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Now you get a big ty for that.....not! lol