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If you didn't see your favorite rom on the list please shout out below what you like and maybe give us your top 3. O-yeah.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Trinity_Upgrades
74 views, why aren't those people voting?
I've always used the standard ROM on my 3600i, never thought to use anything else.
This threat gets me thinking & takes me back to the times when i needed other ROMs to do basic things....
Karmba_a ?...
udk
a3xl,
for the best battery life except the official roms (which I would use, but they don't have the improved email setup or decent dialers/comm manner)
How about Famman???
Why is Famman not included?
Why did you limit the ROM's to some ROMs cookers and excluded guys like Karemba and others
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Why did you limit the ROM's to some ROMs cookers and excluded guys like Karemba and others
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Poll is limited to 10, so I made an executive decision - English and WM6 only, and ones that are listed in wiki... hence my post at the top...
" If you didn't see your favorite rom on the list please shout out below what you like and maybe give us your top 3. O-yeah. "
Hi everyone and thanks to all the coockers that are working on new beta roms for our Polaris.
I've read all the 3d about the different coockers/release and I can say for me it's not easy to try all of them.
It's also difficoult to stay updated on every release news, fix and so on.
For me would be VERY USEFULL a 3d in which summarize avery release with all the caratheristics, positive and negative fatcs and so on.
What did you think about it?
Bye
HELLO i agree with you..
It's a good idea, but I'm not sure you'll find a quick reply.
The main trouble with the Touch Cruise is it's limited implementation globally. With the only US supporters having to import it, and the high price pretty much everywhere, I've noticed the general Polaris "community" isn't nearly as positive or helpful as the Kaiser thread community is. That doesn't mean EVERYONE is a jerk, but it's frustrating to have come from a device and forum where there were tons of people with a positive attitude, all sharing ideas. Here, it seems like most people just ***** about the device they bought, with only a few people (most in the upgrading forum) looking to make the most of it and improve it.
I've been waiting for someone to release a Diamond rom that would work on the Touch Cruise, simply because I like the analog clock look. But I don't have any real interest to force Office 2007 on myself, as I've used the app and don't see any real improvements over Office 2003. But this post isn't about which version of MS software is best.
Anyway... here's hoping the gurus of this forum stay upbeat, keep up the good work, and someone can "port" the Diamond VGA driver to the qVGA device. On the surface, it seems like a simple idea. But you have to wonder if the video chipset in the Polaris just isn't all that without more horsepower behind it, and maybe a better screen. Maybe that's why the Diamond is the new king of the pile. I'd love to upgrade to it, but just having bought my Polaris in Feb. or so, it will be a LONG time before I can justify ANOTHER new device.
Anyway, my compliments to the masters for all they do, and best wishes to those with a pretty cool phone!
My request is only trying to make an unique post in which all the coders can list their ROMS with the list of apps inlcuded and positive and negavite facts.
So when a new owner of the device came here can choose without loosing his mind in looking for informations in thousands of post.
That's all here....
Bye
gerazzo said:
Hi everyone and thanks to all the coockers that are working on new beta roms for our Polaris.
I've read all the 3d about the different coockers/release and I can say for me it's not easy to try all of them.
It's also difficoult to stay updated on every release news, fix and so on.
For me would be VERY USEFULL a 3d in which summarize avery release with all the caratheristics, positive and negative fatcs and so on.
What did you think about it?
Bye
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its a good idea. but comparing various roms is a full time job and i'm afraid not many people have that kind of time.
This thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373233 has been around for a while with a list of Roms, I think thats the best you are going to get, it's just updated when it can be as far as I can tell but its came in usefull for me. Not sure if you missed it but it's been on the first page for a while. Unless I've missed the point and it's something else you are after?
The polaris is a good device and I've found help and support on these forums but its still quite new. I upgraded from the XDA Orbit and thats only been out just over a year I think, a lot of people bought in to 18 month contracts and so wont be upgrading for a while. I'd just bare with it and if you are unsure of anything, just ask.
My favourite ROM at the moment is Bepe's just because it's win 6.1, fast an clean then I've modified it to the standard I want by adding apps and tweaks. I've tried other roms but they are all at such early stages of development that a lot of them aren't really practical for day to day use as they can be very flakey. This won't last forever though.
Hi,
I'm a total newbie to flashing ROMs, and WinMo phones in general. Given this is the case, I have no idea what to look for in a cooked ROM. I know the features I'd like, but it is pretty tricky for a newbie to know what features / versions are included in each ROM. Is there a relatively simple list of available ROMs compared, or is it a case of trawling though every thread and picking out the details?
TIA
ZS
duttys v0.8 is the best one right now,
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duttys v0.8 is the best one right now,
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Thanks for the input, mox, but this is kind of the problem I'm facing (no offence). Everyone has their own opinions on what is good, but you might have different requirements to me. I just don't know how to get a workable measure of how it would be for me. (yes, I know - I can try them all but I don't have the time to go through each one in turn )
For what it's worth, though, Dutty's 0.8 is the one I favour most at the minute anyway.
i don't think there is an "easy way'. you have to try a few to decide which is the best for you. i have artemis 3.0 and don't see any reason to change it yet, it's that good! dutty, laurentius26, xannytech, nrgz28 are also amongst my favorites. hard choice mate...
I'm using Dutty's HG v08 as well and it's the best I've used...or try Leo Lite
the ones based on the 2.07 ROM have the gash looking buttons at the bottom - some like them but I don't, prefer it to look like stock...
get the HG v08 ROM, the one I use, from HERE
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(...) Everyone has their own opinions on what is good, but you might have different requirements to me. (...)
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This is the most important line in your opening posting.
There are definitely some basics you can count on for selecting a ROM, but there is no list of all HD2 ROMs with full description etc.
As you correctly mention, it is best to read the threads of the various ROMs, if there are already a lot of entries, you can focus on the first and last couple of pages to get an overall picture.
Maybe the biggest difference between all the ROMs out there are the WinMo builds - the more official 21xxx builds which come with the start menu at the top of the screen, while the beta builds 23xxx/24xxx/28xxx come with the start menu at the bottom.
Everything else is nicely described by each chef.
Happy discovering!
Hi ZombieSheep,
I am afraid you will have to look through the initial posts for each rom, create a comparison chart of your own, identify which ROM has the features you most want, and install it.
"Best ROM" type threads cause a lot of anguish and grief on here so we tend to shut them down very quickly. The best ROM is the one that suits you best.
Hope you are successful in your quest.
Closing this now.
WB
[REF Idea]*Chef input required please* ROM Spec & content - easy choice & comparison.
Hi all HD2 XDA'ers
As we know, the "Which ROM is best" question can be so subjective that no single thread or poll can accurately help you make a decision. Also they get closed and locked pretty quick by the mods.
The users and flashers need some method of selecting ROMs, or at least prioritizing which we try first, based on their individual requirements.
In addition, and perhaps more importantly, the ROM chefs have no standardised way to illustrate or describe exactly what their ROM is like to prospective users. The many posts and threads do not enable any form of comparison.
Here's an idea for anyone willing to take up the challenge:
Unfortunately I can't dedicate the time and effort required, however I know it would be infinitely useful to many users and cooks alike. (Maybe even the mods would find it a useful way of stopping the constant questions, threads and polls of which rom!)
Create a table detailing all the specific (or generic) characteristics of each ROM. Then all chefs, new or experienced, can add their ROMs to the table.
Table would begin with high level details (for a quick overview); then possibly expand to include subtleties and very specific details.
First we would need to create a benchmark using the latest STOCK ROM. This is what the specs of cooked ROMs will be measured against. It should also define all stock apps, etc. for accurate comparisons and to assist the cooks in completing the table for their own ROMs.
For example:
ROM Chef's username
ROM Name/Version
Fully Loaded / Minimalist
Which custom apps included [free text list/csv]
Stock apps cut from Rom [free text list/csv]
What Task Manager used (if any)?
Ringtones stripped? [Y/N]
Media/Wallpapers included
Tweaks included [free text list/csv - or single row for each expected tweak]
Theme changed [description]
Manila version
Cookie/MaxManilla included? [Y/N]
WM Version [6.5 ; 6.5.3 ; 6.5.5]
SYS/XIP build
Free memory after flash (MB)
...and on... (the above is just off the top of my head - it would certainly need more thought, massive expansion and sub-divisions.)
Perhaps start as a thread, work it to a useable format, gathering feedback, comments, suggestions and requests, then move to the Wiki. I recon, if the format and fields are all dimensioned extensively and well enough, the resulting table/wiki would be adopted across all devices.
I would sinserely love to do this myself and regret just pushing the idea out there. I really hope that someone who's heart is really in it, will be willing to take this up to the benefit of all HD2 owners who wish to stick out WM6.5x despite the temptations of other devices, OS's and ports.
All the best,
Hirshy
Information Systems Security Senior Specialist - Networks
T-Mobile (UK) Ltd.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
basically like distrowatch for linux systems? with the package/AKU/radio/Memory/custom apps on the y key, ROM name on the X key. And a blank space in the table where the package is removed?
Just a note - how would someone like you use the data since you work for T-mobile?
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Just a note - how would someone like you use the data since you work for T-mobile?
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+1 id like to know that too
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Just a note - how would someone like you use the data since you work for T-mobile?
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Hmmm, what would you guys like me to do with it?...
I have contacts in the Handset teams for testing and procurement. As my particular job role is impacted by the 'quality?' of their firmware, I regularly feedback required changes and user input. Though to be honest, they're unlikely to care much about any roms other than their own customised garbage!
Have you seen the state of T-Mobile's stock ROMs? At least on Android they get OTA updates quite quickly and in-line with the HTC development branch.
However on WinMo it's the regular old story that they release a device and forget about the bugs and updates.
I work in their Network Security team and am becoming more involved in Terminal Security (devices and whether anything compromises the Network or User Data in terms of confidentiality, integrity and availability). I test all new T-Mobile products, services and network features on their respective platforms.
For example on WinMo, there are the new WnW4 Widgets which run from the Opera run-time environment.
So I guess in that respect, as a favour to the community I would be willing to add my own professional input into whether there are any Security or TMO functionality concerns (from the user's perspective) with the ROMs...
My input here isn't for any professional purposes, I am just a member of the community that has worked at T-Mobile for 11 years and has ties to various contacts.
If there are any concerns for my intentions here (which I hope not) I have personally spoken to Dutty Throy about a year and a half ago to provide him with a contract deal so he could hopefully continue his great work at much less expense. I'm certain he would vouch for me...
Regards,
Hirshy
P.S. (If you read this Throy, it seems that you have since moved to Voda, so maybe T-Mob wasn't cutting it even with the deal - I suppose half-price sh!t is still sh!t !)
Yep, cant believe this hasn't been done yet, would totally reduce wasted threads
Big problem is the rate at which roms get updated.
But i see your point that it would be useful.
It's a helluva lot of work though given the number of roms.
Just off the top of my head I can think of 20roms.
And in the past chefs have been slow to submit their roms to a couple of the rom databases that already exist for swift comparison. I do think that this is better than one of those sites. You would have to get a team together and assign five to ten roms each to watch and update a spreadsheet because it's not going to work relying on the chef's input.
but it really might be useful - e.g. Topix 1.5.8 was based on 21898, but now Topix 1.5.9 is based on 21897 and without the weather function. The build might not be so relevant, but missing weather certainly is!!!
Then you also have the question as to whether to include the htcpedia-only roms in the list.
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Big problem is the rate at which roms get updated.
But i see your point that it would be useful.
It's a helluva lot of work though given the number of roms.
Just off the top of my head I can think of 20roms.
And in the past chefs have been slow to submit their roms to a couple of the rom databases that already exist for swift comparison. I do think that this is better than one of those sites. You would have to get a team together and assign five to ten roms each to watch and update a spreadsheet because it's not going to work relying on the chef's input.
but it really might be useful - e.g. Topix 1.5.8 was based on 21898, but now Topix 1.5.9 is based on 21897 and without the weather function. The build might not be so relevant, but missing weather certainly is!!!
Then you also have the question as to whether to include the htcpedia-only roms in the list.
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Well, I for one would gladly help with reporting from the roms i test, and it could be nice if a team where assembled to do so, because this whole forum is one big mess, where its impossible to get a little overview with all the threads and all those roms..
One thread to collect information about roms, builds, radios and so on - Would tidy up a lot! And, it would have to be a team of people who are able to stay objective, so that its not a contest of which rom is best..
If this is going to happen - pm me
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Yep, cant believe this hasn't been done yet, would totally reduce wasted threads
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no it wouldnt, people would still jump the gun and start new pointless threads
Possible way to get started
This could be accomplished using a simple spreadsheet format.
One "Mod" would be in control of the master sheet that would be posted for download.
Team members would be responsible for one or more ROM's as they choose to participate. Submitted to the Mod.
They would get the official blank spreadsheet with labels from the Mod with directions for data consistency.
Only the Mod could add/change the format upon request of the team when new apps or features arise.
Data would be kept as simple as possible in the cells. X=includes, blank=not includes, version number, etc.
Each ROM version would have a column of it's own. Versions could be limited to "last three" or whatever.
Column would have date of posting to show how current the data was.
Most of the work would be front loaded to bring us up to date.
Cut and paste would make this fairly easy for the team and the Mod.
Comparison would then be as easy as reading a chart.
The end user could delete columns and compare ROM's he is interested in.
Start of Col. A labels (add your ideas and let's see if we can come up with a consensus.)
ROM Chef
ROM Name
Version
Build
Language
Radio Required (this could be RadA, RadB, Rad C to Rad F, all picked from a list at the bottom of the sheet)
Theme
Manila version
Cookie
MaxManilla
WM Version
Free memory after flash (MB)
App name 1
App name 2
App name 3
To app infinitum
Well its an awesome IDEA, I am ready to support by all means..!!!
I have already have a site dedicated to filtering roms located at www.xdaroms.com. I am open to ideas to make rom filtering even better.
Great idea!! This is a big hold up for a lot of users: they don't have time to try 20 ROMS, test them and figure out which they want... This is also a hold up for me, I can try some ROMS, like 3 or 4 but I want to know which ROMS I would have to start with... I am not going to take a "risk" flashing HSPL and not having time to install ROMS on it and so....
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I have already have a site dedicated to filtering roms located at www.xdaroms.com. I am open to ideas to make rom filtering even better.
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+1 that was what I was going to say there is no need for this idea when there is already a comprehensive site that does it.
re xdaroms: at least for the hd2 there are quite a few chefs and roms missing. plus a distrowatch approach where you can see them all lined up is more handy with only one entry for the latest ROM visible.
This means there is room for a seperate glance-database.
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re xdaroms: at least for the hd2 there are quite a few chefs and roms missing. plus a distrowatch approach where you can see them all lined up is more handy with only one entry for the latest ROM visible.
This means there is room for a seperate glance-database.
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Part of the problem that any website or utility we have is the fact that cooks don't update forum(XDA) or rom(xdaroms) posts correctly. Some like to overwrite old posts or roms and update the build version which causes problems for viewing a history of build versions. I do encourage all the cooks to create new rom posts for each new build. I am also going to allow cooks to import an old rom as a starting point which should make the rom posting a little less tedious.
One solution for showing a build history is to do a group by on the list showing all roms for a paticular version however it will only work if cooks update accordingly.
I don't think this issue can be easily resolved untill I get more cooks on board on xdaroms.com and we can start to formalize a rom posting technique.
Again I am open to ideas and hopefully we can come up with a really nice easy to use way to publish roms.
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Part of the problem that any website or utility we have is the fact that cooks don't update forum(XDA) or rom(xdaroms) posts correctly. Some like to overwrite old posts or roms and update the build version which causes problems for viewing a history of build versions. I do encourage all the cooks to create new rom posts for each new build.
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Hi bowpay, nice site - sorry I hadn't seen it before.
I think one of the greatest obstacles is exactly that - it is another site. Between XDA-Dev and HTCpedia, users and cooks have enough posts to contend with...
What you state above (quoted) could be mitigated by using a tabular structure instead of posts. New ROM versions would simply be appended to the table, with the old record remaining as a both a history and comparison. The old record would also be the perfect starting point for the cook to update the table (copy the column, paste as new column, update changed details). "Simples!"
I think cooks would find that easier to represent their new roms using this tabular format than constantly changing posts. The single proviso is that is must be complete and total representation of all variables that the ROM might have.
Please can any Chefs reading this, share their opinions/support and post whether they would adopt such a method for keeping users informed of their ROMs and new versions.
In any event, two things could happen:
The cooks utilize a common table for listing ROMs and versions. This would be analogous to a vendor providing a spec-sheet for their product.
Or (if not the cooks) users would create the records and constantly update the fields as they play with the ROM, use it and find the specs. This is comparable to independent reviewers detailing the specs of a product after the vendor has supplied it to them.
Either way would work and be greatly beneficial.
One field per record could even have a hyperlink for download and link to thread for images and discussion.
No objections to XdaRoms assisting the endeavour as it seems to be their speciality - it's all in the title! However for mass exposure and adoption it really needs to be on the cooks first-stop website. I think that is here...?
All the best,
Hirshy
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Hi bowpay, nice site - sorry I hadn't seen it before.
I think one of the greatest obstacles is exactly that - it is another site. Between XDA-Dev and HTCpedia, users and cooks have enough posts to contend with...
What you state above (quoted) could be mitigated by using a tabular structure instead of posts. New ROM versions would simply be appended to the table, with the old record remaining as a both a history and comparison. The old record would also be the perfect starting point for the cook to update the table (copy the column, paste as new column, update changed details). "Simples!"
I think cooks would find that easier to represent their new roms using this tabular format than constantly changing posts. The single proviso is that is must be complete and total representation of all variables that the ROM might have.
Please can any Chefs reading this, share their opinions/support and post whether they would adopt such a method for keeping users informed of their ROMs and new versions.
In any event, two things could happen:
The cooks utilize a common table for listing ROMs and versions. This would be analogous to a vendor providing a spec-sheet for their product.
[*]Or (if not the cooks) users would create the records and constantly update the fields as they play with the ROM, use it and find the specs. This is comparable to independent reviewers detailing the specs of a product after the vendor has supplied it to them.
Either way would work and be greatly beneficial.
One field per record could even have a hyperlink for download and link to thread for images and discussion.
No objections to XdaRoms assisting the endeavour as it seems to be their speciality - it's all in the title! However for mass exposure and adoption it really needs to be on the cooks first-stop website. I think that is here...?
All the best,
Hirshy
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I hear ya I think that its going to be difficult for XDA to adopt this format due to not having things in place and being geared as a forum. I set out to help the XDA community and each day XDARoms is growing. We are going to make it easier to create forum posts by creating a BBCode Generator and our overall goal is to get cooks to post roms first at XDARoms then click the forum post generator link on a paticular rom. The post generator will generate BBCode or HTML for XDA or Pedia or any forum for that matter (Copy and paste).
Our niche is Roms so cooks will naturally want to post roms on the site because we geared the site towards cooks and it will simplify the rom posting for all websites. It may take time but I am dedicated to making rom posting as easy as possible. After all I am not just the president I am also a member (Hair club for men). lol
I really like where this post is going so any other chefs like to chime in and give us your 2cents? Much appreciated.
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What you state above (quoted) could be mitigated by using a tabular structure instead of posts. New ROM versions would simply be appended to the table, with the old record remaining as a both a history and comparison. The old record would also be the perfect starting point for the cook to update the table (copy the column, paste as new column, update changed details). "Simples!"
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When I get a little more time I will take a look at the rom posting process and use some of your suggestions. The database schema is all setup to do exactly that it will just take a little time to make the UI behave.
Well...I think it can be automated... is there a command line tool to extract all such information from a nbh file ? Can someone point me to anything similar ?
My idea : After a upload, automation extracts all such information and automatically appends to the spreadsheet/online sheet...so less work for the webmaster and the chef
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In addition, and perhaps more importantly, the ROM chefs have no standardised way to illustrate or describe exactly what their ROM is like to prospective users. The many posts and threads do not enable any form of comparison.
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Why not use the wiki for that?
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but it really might be useful - e.g. The build might not be so relevant, but missing weather certainly is!!!
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Don't know how you came to that conclusion but you are certainly wrong. Don't spread wrong information mate.
I've been a member of this forum for about 4 months now, and I just wanted to post a big thank you to all the developers out there in a thread that I think should highlight their work and for us to show our gratitude to them.
I bought my HD2 (T-mobile) used, through ebay (to the caribbean) and have been loving it ever since, primarily due to the development published in this xda-forums. It's good to know that google shows the xda site as the first sight when looking for apps and roms, tweaks, etc. for my HD2.
I'm technically capable, but haven't done programming in about 8 years, but I remember the struggles, and these guys here keep putting out new developments, one after the other to keep us up-to-date. I moved from stock ROM to EnergyROM- Dinik, then to Energy Titanium. Before the end of last year I was using dual boot with Android Froyo by Darkstone. For the new years, the developers again moved progress with us now being able to run NAND versions of Android on the HD2. I've so far installed and tried 3, finally sticking with the Prj Clean Desire ROM - Froyo version (I like room to add my own apps without clutter).
I try to support as much as possible, but sometimes I do miss.
I decided to start this thread for a single, simple reason. To give the respect, gratitude and thanks to all the developers on the xda-forums who continue to ensure that our HTC phones are well optimised and continually on the cutting edge of new mobile software, applications and platforms (I'm sure we have yet to see a Windows Phone 7 adaptation yet).
For me there are a few whose names/aliases constantly appear:
Cotulla (the god who gave us HSPL and magldr)
Dark Forces Team (DFT)
Darkstone
EnergyROM creators
Core ROM creators
Hastarin
Miri ROM creators
Cyanogen creators
Once again, mad props to you guys and the many other developers out there.
If I were HTC, Microsoft or Android, I'd be hiring you guys without question.
Keep up the good work.
Nice speech there mate! Without doubt we all show our graditute and we thank the developers for their hard work, imagination and dedication!
We also want to say THANK YOU to xda forum that made all of these possible!
Let's not forget dcordes, netripper, letama and markinus for getting Android for the hd2 where it is today. Without them starting the project and getting the Linux kernel ported, we probably wouldn't even have a working Android yet.
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Yeah everything y'all do on this website is amazing, thank y'all so much!
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