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im going to be told to not post this in development blablabla
but can someone make a rom that isnt WWE 2.1...
a port from a different phone, those were alot more "exciting" where all the roms were different, now all the roms are pretty much the exact same thing with the only difference probably being size ¬_¬
there were all the good/varied roms like SenseHero and SlideVillain, but those seemed to of diedd why not actually port something comletely new like x10 or samsung, i know theyr pretty crap but at least theyr new/different
The main reason is incompatibility.
The reason why there were so many ported ROM's was because 2.1 for the Hero hadn't been released, therefore we were porting from devices such as the Legend to get as close to the 2.1 WWE Hero as possible.
As soon as 2.1 for Hero started to emerge, then developers concentrated on what mattered - a fully featured/optimised 2.1 ROM native to the Hero.
Now we have that (more or less), developers are turning their eye onto the Froyo front (2.2). This is what people would class as 'exciting', due to the fact that Froyo isn't designed for our devices...........yet. With that in mind, we're hoping that the Legend will receive a 2.2 Sense update in which we can port to our beloved Hero..Until then developers are going to look ahead with their AOSP builds and make our Hero the best it can possibly be.
In regards to porting other devices, alot of the reasons people aren't porting is the fact that hardware from other devices must match up (or atleast be close) to that of the Hero..but again, developers don't fancy the extra work (or even the attempt) when they have other - better - things they can concentrate on.
yehh thats the thing all devs are just copying stuff from each other so they all end up being pretty much the same...
mojtaba.alhoseine said:
yehh thats the thing all devs are just copying stuff from each other so they all end up being pretty much the same...
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This may sound stupid, but I see it like this:
Imagine planting a seed and then watching it. At first, it seems nothing is happening and it won't seem that anything is changing perhaps until the point the seed turns into a full fledged plant, flowering.
It's like the community ROM's...It seems like nothing is happening, but slowly and surely ROM's are growing into something great and at the end of it all you'll think;
"Hey, nice ROM!"
...Like it came out of nowhere.
Unfortunately for the devs, the same concept doesn't apply as they put blood sweat and tears, hour by hour to get these ROM's out. So while we're waiting for a flower to blossom, they are cracking their skulls on the edge of a desk somewhere screaming "Why aren't you god damn working?!".
Im getting an iPhone 4 tomorrow. Im HTC through and through, try and come to terms with THAT.....
SRS, im actually getting an iPhone. Blame HTC for being idiots, Orange for not stocking the Desire and my stubborn ways for wanting an upgrade every Summer.
P.S wrong section
Ummm.... upgrade? LOL
Good joke
Wiley87 said:
Im getting an iPhone 4 tomorrow. Im HTC through and through, try and come to terms with THAT.....
SRS, im actually getting an iPhone. Blame HTC for being idiots, Orange for not stocking the Desire and my stubborn ways for wanting an upgrade every Summer.
P.S wrong section
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mojtaba.alhoseine said:
im going to be told to not post this in development blablabla
but can someone make a rom that isnt WWE 2.1...
a port from a different phone, those were alot more "exciting" where all the roms were different, now all the roms are pretty much the exact same thing with the only difference probably being size ¬_¬
there were all the good/varied roms like SenseHero and SlideVillain, but those seemed to of diedd why not actually port something comletely new like x10 or samsung, i know theyr pretty crap but at least theyr new/different
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well, you have at least 3 somewhat different choices :
2.2
sense 2.1
vanila 2.1
you can also add 1.5 roms if you care about them.
There is no point in making a ROM that sucks.
mojtaba.alhoseine said:
im going to be told to not post this in development blablabla
but can someone make a rom that isnt WWE 2.1...
a port from a different phone, those were alot more "exciting" where all the roms were different, now all the roms are pretty much the exact same thing with the only difference probably being size ¬_¬
there were all the good/varied roms like SenseHero and SlideVillain, but those seemed to of diedd why not actually port something comletely new like x10 or samsung, i know theyr pretty crap but at least theyr new/different
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This sounds like what themes are for... I'm using a Galaxy S theme here on FroydVillain, and I like it more than stock HTC Sense
Pick a good Froyo ROM, which you get loads of themes for, and have fun
But yeah, the issue with those ports was that they were far from perfect, with botched drivers and libraries to make it boot etc.
So yeah, it sounds like you need to find a ROM with themes, or check out the Aria port by Robocik.
The choice is all here. There's even Fallah, maxo's legend port ...
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How well observed of you. Moved to General as not development, but with redirecter for 2 days.
Part of what makes android great is its openness. I have, and absolutely hated, an HTC Hero. CM6 and all the kernals out there (and swype) changed that. It's still a laggy pile, but I have a feeling if I went back to the stock rom I'd be shocked at how bad it is.
Anyway, to get to the point, my friend got an intercept from virgin mobile, and I found out my brother has a moment. I was looking into custom Roms and whatnot for them to speed up their phones, assuming that with all the projects going on, they had something like we do.
As far as I can tell, they don't. Granted I've invested some time in the hero, so the "where do I even start" factor isn't nearly as high, but both the moment and instinct appeared to be in complete dissarray. There are 200 updates for the stock eclair rom and 200 roms based off of all of them. It seemed like no matter what rom you ran there was some "well this is faster, but the video camera doesn't work", style trade offs. As far as I could tell they've got about as much of a CM6 port, the only attempt at froyo I could see, running on the moment as ASOP had running on his heroc gingerbread build about 6 hours after the SDK hit.
So, I don't know if we got lucky that the smart/right guys got a hero as their phone, or if samsung phones are a tougher nut to crack, or what, but we really have it good over here. Even this forum itself is better and easier than the alternatives.
So, long story short, thanks for all the hard work boys and girls.
Edit: And it's quite possible, probable even, I'm wrong and there are tons of Froyo fully functioning roms for the moment, but the point still remains that there's so much crap out there that you know know what's what.
I could not agree more. I have read a lot here in the Hero community (hence my low post count, I wanted to learn, not have my hand held) Then I started exploring XDA, especially from my phone. It's amazing how much talent there is in the Hero forums, even compared to newer, better phones.
Echoing Fer's comment, XDA forums were a huge part of the reason that I got an Android phone vs. becoming an IPhone devotee. Constant improvements have been wonderful.
I know that I am NOT the reason that you, the developers, do what you do. But please accept my thanks for your irresistible urge to examine and improve.
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in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
I believe that there is in fact a huge rom development out there. I can see why your frustrated with certain things not being there, but you have to remember how hard it was to crack root on this phone, therefore it is harder to do certain things to it. Where as the galaxy s series is easy as pie to root and hack, along with the evo and older phones. Just mosey on other phone forums and notice the lack of development that they have. There are other great phones, like the evo shift 4G and others that aren't getting love like this phone.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
Sent from my crack-addicted G2 injected with CM7.
Yep, I tried to help a friend with a Cliq and found that too. He was sooo excited for his 2.1 OTA that was super late from the initial promise date that he was expecting. And I found just about zero following for that thing.
I ran bionix for a bit, and I think overall I prefer the Axura over it, except the newest one doesn't have HD Camcorder as of now
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
Sent from my crack-addicted G2 injected with CM7.
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What up RatDude? Haha, I had a cliq before this phone and got it when it was just released. I rooted that thing since day one flashing all kinds of buggy roms. That's what started it all.They've come a long way. I used modmymobile.com and they have some pretty good development, and some really good roms. The thing doesn't compare to my G2 though!
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
boost3d23 said:
in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
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I love development and the Android community. So much choices to satisfy anyone's flavor. Here in the G2/Desire Z forums, I believe there is plenty of development. QUALITY development.
In the G1 forums, when it was still really popular, you would just see the forums flooded with all different kinds of ROMs, from several devs. I tried out tons of them, but none of them, except a handful were well made (Cyanogen, JAC, Haykuro, to name a few). Pretty much all the half assed ones were all basic copies of all the other ones, or rip offs of the good ones. In addition there were only two types: stock and sense.
With our forums, we have so many possibilities. Stock, modified stock, froyo, gingerbread, sense, miui. Our hardware can actually support all this too and run well, unlike on other devices.
It doesn't end at roms. We have kernels, modifications, hacks. Anything to make your phone unique. And may I say, our processor is an overclocking champion. I can load up the 1.8 Ghz kernel and run it all day every day, stable. Now, I don't do it, but it's nice to have the option.
In addition to all of this, our phone is still relatively current. Next gen snapdragon processor, nearly 2 gigs of accessible rom, 512 megs of ram, decent screen, stock froyo. I don't see why the G2 wouldn't receive a 2.3 OTA.
As time progresses, I can see more and more devs pop up to try and take the reigns of development for this forum. It's a matter of when, not if.
theratdude64 said:
yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Haha, funny. Yup your right it was but they do a lot to the cliq on there. The blurry eclair rom was sweet.
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I don't really feel that way at all. There are the roms that most consider relevant, the sense roms (which has been consolidated into virtuous) and the cyanogenmod team that is so large now that most of the top developers have teamed up. Sure the number of roms are down but the quality is top notch
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I agree to a certain point. If it wasn't for the Devs then this phone wouldn't see anything. There is barely any support from the manufacturers (ie. docks, car docks). They released the G2/Dezire Z then the Nexus S comes out and it's a forgotten phone from their standpoint.
theratdude64 said:
yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Yeah, modmymoto was the best site around for Moto modding. Good to see an original Moto modder here. I also modded Motorolas, I modded two RAZR V3's . I loved the fact that you could seriouly mod EVERY LITTLE thing; from small stuff like removing the anoying buzz noise when the phone is near a speaker through a seem edit to stuff like changing the housing to all gold, I saw this one guy put a see-through housing on his RAZR V3 wand made his keypad gold and all the sound up and down buttons down or some other bits of gold parts in it. I loved modding Moto's, I remember that I had an iPhone theme with an iPhone icon pack and an iPhone font, I always used the Mulifex way of flashing, I liked that way the most. I loved the fact that I could change my service provider to 'Beast-Mobile' and change the names of the items in the menu, like for example I had my phone book says "my name's Homies" like "KoolKidsKlub's Homies" I wish that I could change stuff like that on an Android phone.
I've modded stuff like this for as long as I can remember XDA rules, lol. I once bricked a Moto Rokr E8, but I think that's about the only thing I've genuinely bricked haha. I always tell people it usually takes talent to brick an android. I just scored a Vibrant because it was "bricked" and I resurrected it.
[email protected] the post that if this phone didn't have Dev's, it wouldn't see anything at all. I haven't seen any docks for it, yet there are dock settings. Yet the phone I do have a dock for has no dock settings
I have a Co worker that has a incredible 2 and had a incredible before that so he is no newb to android. And he constantly has issues doing things like turning GPS off and other random things. I told him use a widget he told me ooo didn't know they had that lol...Mind you he has had his android longer then me...Its very weird I don't think sense is hard to learn at all... I'm thinking of telling him to get a iPhone next cuz its idiot proof lol
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An iphone or a razr v3. I have some friends that are tech-challenged but they still like android and know how to download apps and somewhat use them, even if its not to their full potential. Its talking about root, kernals, and ROMs that I loose them.
I know alot of people that find it difficult to figure out, or just annoying. Finding calk's remove sense was one of the happier days of my android life.
Like many others, I jumped on the train to try out all these ICS roms. I have the Nexus S 4G, so I am more limited, but still.
So far, they are really impressive, all being built from source. Lots of people are saying they are super smooth and responsive.
So I tired out AOSP's build, Kwiboo's, Drew Garens, and some of the Kangs. I used Franco's kernel, Matrix, and Glados to see what all worked best.
Results? Nothing compares to CM7 Gingerbread. When people say the ICS roms are quick, they aren't compared to CM7. Clicking on apps open instantly in CM7, settings menu is snappy, and moving between screens has extremely little lag. The ICS roms all had issues of randomly slowing down, but thats almost no existent in CM7. The worst part was the battery life. I don't know if I wasn't doing things correctly, but with minimal use I was draining 8-9% per hour. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27361088/batterylife.png
So I went back to CM7 to see if it was just my phone, or my kernel. I put on Matrix 11.5, and got all set up. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27361088/batterylife2.png
In this picture I was at 76% battery life as well. As you can see, thats MUCH better life.
My question is, has anyone else experienced what I have? I COMPLETELY understand that the ROM's are not perfect, I am not worried about that. I just hear all these AMAZING things about these ICS roms, but I personally don't see it. Just looking for some discussion here, and some other peoples comparisons between Gingerbread and ICS. Thanks to all the devs out there, you guys are great!
Its a difference between a rom built from source without components from a actually device ota. The performance of ICS roms will take big turn for the better when devs have an official nexus s ota to work with.
If you want the quickest gingerbread experience try Pete's GPA19 bugless beast out.
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Perhaps most of us when saying it's quick and responsive, are not trying to make a battle over gingerbread roms......
Perhaps when the term alpha is used and the ROM runs really well it gets us excited for what's down the pipe line.
When I tell people the ics runs smooth on my nexus I'm commenting on how well it runs from the little amount of time that has been spent so far with out pre supplied drivers and kernel. And is described from the Dev as being buggy
Not everything is commented on being nice is not to be precieved as something else is bad.
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Of all the ICS roms I've tried, I give the best performance to aosp. Having said that, they're all still not as fast as GB (Oxygen, my preferred). Played with ICS for a few days, did a nandroid backup and went back to Oxygen.
I understand that the devs are working with what they've got but I'm not satisfied with the current iterations as a daily driver. Battery life is not the best, slow transistions sometimes...performance generally is not what I like. It was fun to play with though.
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It is obvious that GB is still faster, it is based on the OTA and it is here for like one year, devs had time to make it mature. ICS is on the beginning, and imo is running very well at this moment. I have installed CM9 alpha 11 with franco´s kernel and it is quite fast and with the same battery life than I was having with GB.
My ICS is running as fast as I need it for the most part.
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Please don't be stupid.
The Gingerbread ROM you are talking about are 1 year old and have been optimized by many ways!
ICS is just a few weeks old and as only be officially ported to one device (Galaxy Nexus)
Do you remember one year ago, the crappy gingerbread ROM we had?
profete162 said:
Please don't be stupid.
The Gingerbread ROM you are talking about are 1 year old and have been optimized by many ways!
ICS is just a few weeks old and as only be officially ported to one device (Galaxy Nexus)
Do you remember one year ago, the crappy gingerbread ROM we had?
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I understand it has been optimized, I am not saying it hasn't.
My point is that people are saying the ICS ROMS are "super fast" "no issues!." I would just like to find out how relative Gingerbread is to ICS. When I say that ICS is fast, I would compare it to Gingerbread fast, which is not the same at all.
info[]box1 said:
Its a difference between a rom built from source without components from a actually device ota. The performance of ICS roms will take big turn for the better when devs have an official nexus s ota to work with.
If you want the quickest gingerbread experience try Pete's GPA19 bugless beast out.
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Alright, I guess I don't understand the actual component side of it. I thought that source was decently close to what a final build would be like (besides drivers and stability of course).
Thanks for the suggestion.
When we get the OTA for the nexus s 3g & 4g and Devs get the actual kernel and drivers etc designed for our device we will see a major difference.
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I understand it has been optimized, I am not saying it hasn't.
My point is that people are saying the ICS ROMS are "super fast" "no issues!." I would just like to find out how relative Gingerbread is to ICS. When I say that ICS is fast, I would compare it to Gingerbread fast, which is not the same at all.
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then dont use other people may like the progress so far and comment on it threads related to the ROM. Not creating a thread to say other people are wrong comes off ignorant. Do you have a lot of participation trophies at home?
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BrianDigital said:
then dont use other people may like the progress so far and comment on it threads related to the ROM. Not creating a thread to say other people are wrong comes off ignorant. Do you have a lot of participation trophies at home?
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I never said anyone was wrong. Don't be so quick to be a douch.
I agree that there has been a lot of progress, but my point is - there is no relativity when people talk. They say its fast! What does that even mean? I'm not being ignorant, I am just wondering what other people say fast is.
For me it was the big turn it took from the SDK port. I tried that and it was slow and laggish and some components didn't work at all.
Then came along the first ICS version built from AOSP and that was already a massive performance increase compared to what we had.
After a few weeks, I call the latest releases 'fast', looking at the iterations it has made. ICS is running smooth-ish here now; no lags while flicking screen, minor lag when open some dialogs.
Lastly I think it helps the devs out a lot if they get feedback on whichever optimization script they put on their release to make it go a bit faster.
Greetz
I own my Nexus since four days now and I think that ICS ins a little bit faster than 3.3.6 Gingerbread. But I used only the Stock and prefer ICS now.
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thefangedkanga said:
I never said anyone was wrong. Don't be so quick to be a douch.
I agree that there has been a lot of progress, but my point is - there is no relativity when people talk. They say its fast! What does that even mean? I'm not being ignorant, I am just wondering what other people say fast is.
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oh so your just saying people that like the ICS roms and think they are fast are dead wrong. When I ran I tried it was fast and good battery life, I went back to gb cause of 4g and app compatablity. But your not being ignorant im sorry your telling me my opinion is wrong. Thank you for informing me what "my" opinions are
You must be new to this scene and hopefully you can learn from this. Not every comment on something that is positive is not meant to bash another thing. I can not even understand why if your not telling people they are wrong for forming their own opinion different from yours, that a thread needed to be created. Which even the topic title is flame bait
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oh so your just saying people that like the ICS roms and think they are fast are dead wrong. When I ran I tried it was fast and good battery life, I went back to gb cause of 4g and app compatablity. But your not being ignorant im sorry your telling me my opinion is wrong. Thank you for informing me what "my" opinions are
You must be new to this scene and hopefully you can learn from this. Not every comment on something that is positive is not meant to bash another thing. I can not even understand why if your not telling people they are wrong for forming their own opinion different from yours, that a thread needed to be created. Which even the topic title is flame bait
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Dude chill out.
I never said anyone is wrong. All I said is that the term fast is relative. I'm not here to bash anyone, or anything. I am just wondering what other peoples experiences are. Stop flaming because you have a different opinion. That's the whole point of this, to get other peoples OPINIONS. Relax.
Who's still disappointed by the keyboard? The response time is near perfect now. I just wish Google would implement some more settings and features, like custom auto corrections.
I used the stock keyboard for an entire day and it almost killed me, I hate it. Swiftkey X is miles ahead, I cant type in my phone without it.
You know what also bothers me? The fact that the letter "i" is not automatically capitalized in the middle of the sentence. For example, "Have i shown you my picture?" Why is the "i" not capped, Google?
Argh.
Yes, these ICS builds are no where close to the smoothness, snappiness, and fluidity of Gingerbread ROMs. I was hoping that when the official Ice Cream Sandwich OTA for the Nexus S was released this problem would be remedied. These AOSP builds have not been properly optimized and such to run perfectly on our devices, but for Alphas they are decent. Sadly not my cup of decent. They are annoyingly less quick than Gingerbread builds currently are.