http://phandroid.com/2010/04/15/android-to-see-flash-10-1-in-second-half-of-2010/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/adobe-brings-air-to-android-promises-flash-10-1-in-the-first-ha/
Idiots.
I almost hope HTML5 takes off due to how they keep stringing people along. First it was end of 2009, then Q1 2010, then Q2 2010, now second half. FFS come on.
Yeah I also can't forgive Adobe how it bought Macromedia. Such a bright collection of developers that was.
Now, this clumsy giant Adobe is controlling Flash, Dreamweaver.. and everything's going down the drain.
html5.0 is already working... some guys tested it.. i saw it in this forum... search to find more....
Try this on the web browser http://mugtug.com/sketchpad/
http://www.projekktor.com/
Count me in as someone that is starting to hate Adobe.
They have been straight up lying.
I'm also beginning to think the only platform they care about is the iPhone and that they are using us as a proxy in their battle with Apple.
I mean, does anyone believe they are going to get Flash working on Blackberry?
They are just full of lies, imo.
I don't even know if those demos we've seen on the Nexus are even real now.
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html5.0 is already working... some guys tested it.. i saw it in this forum... search to find more....
Try this on the web browser http://mugtug.com/sketchpad/
http://www.projekktor.com/
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I just tried it on Cyanogen 5.0.5.3 and sketchpad loaded, but wouldn't let me do anything and Projekktor told me that the video type wasn't supported by this device.
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html5.0 is already working... some guys tested it.. i saw it in this forum... search to find more....
Try this on the web browser http://mugtug.com/sketchpad/
http://www.projekktor.com/
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I don't mean HTML5 working on Android. I mean the internet en masse switching over / adopting HTML5 over Flash. Right now HTML5 is powering 2% of the internet's websites.
Pathetic...along with it goes any chance Android has of stealing iPhone thunder mid year.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt ,count me in as a hater.
Much as I realize Flash aint going anywhere soon I hate Adobe.
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I don't mean HTML5 working on Android. I mean the internet en masse switching over / adopting HTML5 over Flash. Right now HTML5 is powering 2% of the internet's websites.
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Worked on Dolphin. although i wasn't able to draw (I guess a cursor is needed, it just kept moving the screen), I saw the whole layout and was able to select the different tools/colors.
Seriously? I bet Google is fuming mad right now! Adobe talked them into holding the joint press confrence at MWC, and now Google looks like a bunch of shmucks along with them! That was my one reason for believing it would actually come on time, since they were able to get Google to do the joint press confrence with them and what not.
Adobe is officially on my list.
Fcku Abode!!!!!
To use the cliche: "epic fail."
Not too surprised seeing how the RC was just released for the desktop version, and as such I wouldn't expect the mobile version to come until after the desktop version hits the market.
Stupid move by Adobe UNLESS they are using the time to actually streamline the platform. It's possible that they're doing that, and hopefully they are.
I don't think XHTML/HTML 5 will be the way of the future in regards to all web content just yet. Perhaps for video, but there is plenty of content out there that is Flash-based that isn't video.
Count me in. They said in 2009 that its gonna be out in early 2010. Yeah right...
I gave up on the idea of having flash player on my nexus.
FU Adobe!
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Count me in. They said in 2009 that its gonna be out in early 2010. Yeah right...
I gave up on the idea of having flash player on my nexus.
FU Adobe!
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Im good with the crippled Flash 10.1 (do the Lite versions even get official names?) Lite on my Desire ROM, its good enough for now. I have a laptop anyways, and I don't exactly plan on viewing much flash content regardless. If anything it would only be when I'm bored..
Even if you don't need it, its still nice to have it. There are sites like engadget, for example, that post videos on vimeo. You cant see those on the nexus. And that one thing annoys me. I want flash player just for that.
Related
Adobe is rolling out Flash 10 for Windows Mobile Devices soon!!!
So they say...
http://msn-cnet.com.com/8301-1001_3-10098883-92.html?tag=rtcol;txt
Sigh...
By the end of 2009!??? On2 is already working on On2VP8 and VP7 is already out, by the time Flash 10 is released for our devices it's probably gonna be as useless as FlashLite 3.1 is now, at least for watching online video and such.
It can't be that bad. Think about it... they will have to beta test, and something will probably leak out and will eventually fall into our hands, we will play with it, make it better, people will get flamed/banned for asking the same question 35000 times... Long story short, we will have Flash Player 10 before the people at Adobe can say "Happy 2009!"
Yay, I can get black screens and disappearing videos mobile too!
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Yay, I can get black screens and disappearing videos mobile too!
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But as egzthunder1 said, XDA will make it work BETTER..
I'm not exactly overjoyed by this! Adobe is one of my least favorite companies and the way they've mangled flash since buying Macromedia is shocking!
Many sysadmins will echo my sentiments when I say STOP! No more Flash updates! There was a time when it felt like each was simply a bugfix, and the updates were coming out almost weekly!
So when Adobe announces this great thing, I think I'll sit back and wait, because actually I can live without Flash on my device and I GUARANTEE that Adobe will botch it 1st time round.
They always do!
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It can't be that bad. Think about it... they will have to beta test, and something will probably leak out and will eventually fall into our hands, we will play with it, make it better, people will get flamed/banned for asking the same question 35000 times... Long story short, we will have Flash Player 10 before the people at Adobe can say "Happy 2009!"
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lol i couldn't agree more.
Well flash is OK we have no descent borwser that can work with it well, PIE6 is piece of crap at this time, but opera 9 does not work well with flash either... we will see what will happen in near future. The end of 2009 is so far many things can change in a year.
true indeed
xplode said:
Well flash is OK we have no descent borwser that can work with it well, PIE6 is piece of crap at this time, but opera 9 does not work well with flash either... we will see what will happen in near future. The end of 2009 is so far many things can change in a year.
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this is true indeed, skyfire is the only thing that comes close to using flash without too many hiccups. but yeah end of '09 is still pretty far away we'll see.
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I'm not exactly overjoyed by this! Adobe is one of my least favorite companies and the way they've mangled flash since buying Macromedia is shocking!
Many sysadmins will echo my sentiments when I say STOP! No more Flash updates! There was a time when it felt like each was simply a bugfix, and the updates were coming out almost weekly!
So when Adobe announces this great thing, I think I'll sit back and wait, because actually I can live without Flash on my device and I GUARANTEE that Adobe will botch it 1st time round.
They always do!
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BUT, the fact still remains that Flash Sites are EVERYWHERE... So the need for a good Flash renderer is Very Important.
Besides, I think you forget the point of XDA. These guys hack this stuff mostly just to see if they can! Then if it works well, that's a Huge Bonus. Without their trial and error, we would be left without some GREAT Programs.
ie: TomTom, M2D, WM6, WM6.1, and soon WM7, etc, etc...
I understand your frustration with Adobe and Flash. I too think it's strange that they produce a product that can be inserted into millions of web pages, but cannot create browser plug-ins that actually show their product back reliably!
Here you can join the early access for almost any android phone and give feed back.
This is TAThome for android: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOGmnnGpoqg
And here is the website: http://www.tat.se/
Thank you for your time
P.S i DO NOT work at TAT or have any relations with TAT all right go to TAT engineers and designers.
It looks amazing but I remember a similar demonstration for a 3D TAT interface on the N95 way back when, and nothing ever came of it. Is this getting a definite release?
Seems really interesting...
I would like to try it
3Shirts said:
It looks amazing but I remember a similar demonstration for a 3D TAT interface on the N95 way back when, and nothing ever came of it. Is this getting a definite release?
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I'm not 100% sure about this but i think it will be released because there is a sign up for getting early access, So the only thing to do right now is sign up and hope for the best
P.S i will give feed back and share videos here if i ever get the early access
Yeah, well I've signed up. Let's hope something comes of this
Signed up, too.
I think this is not part of the "Nexus One Development"
seraphimserapis said:
Signed up, too.
I think this is not part of the "Nexus One Development"
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Lol, I hadn't even noticed that we were in that section. I assumed it was themes and apps! Probably should be
No, other than the weather widget (which actually does a good job looking natural and making good use of space) I think that it's pretty much a bust. Unnecessary gestures and poor layout/viewing angles, this feely like a "me too" attempt at (ab)use of opengl.
Moved to general......
No thanks.
Looks cool but its just too much eye candy to me.
How do I sign up for early access? I don't see a link on their site.
Thanks
jabreu203 said:
How do I sign up for early access? I don't see a link on their site.
Thanks
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press 'take the tour', you'll see the email notify thingy on the next page
you didn't look around there too awful hard, didja ?
if only there was a way for people to use their software's because I'm sure if they release it to the public there will be a lot of people willing to make GUI's even better then that.
Just came across this,saying that the Hero wont support Flash 10.What do you think about that?
WHAT?
Well, that sucks ass >.> What are we suppose to do? Maybe one of our awesome devs can work on it when the issue comes up. *waits for toast to read this* LOL
no biggie, by the time it comes out, I will be able to upgrade and hopefully will get the rumored supersonic!!
Just because they say the hero won't be supported doesn't mean we won't have it.. lol
Oh I know we'll have it.
Just curious on peoples thoughts as to whether it'll be able to run.Guess we'll just have to wait and see till one of these brainiacs get ahold of it and see what they can do.
casperlt1 said:
Oh I know we'll have it.
Just curious on peoples thoughts as to whether it'll be able to run.Guess we'll just have to wait and see till one of these brainiacs get ahold of it and see what they can do.
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i like that adobe already knows its going to cause battery issues lol
I thought the battery drain was negligible. I read an article yesterday on engadget saying that they streamed about 3 hours of video on a nexus one. The article made it sound like it wasn't a battery hog.
yeah your right, that guy above you didn't read the article right haha
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yeah your right, that guy above you didn't read the article right haha
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yea but adobe knows we'll have it Wonder if they're just trying to deter us...lol
I can honestly say that I couldnt care less. I dont play flash games. Youtube has its own app (though it currently doesnt work in the 1.5 OS), and HULU blocks mobile connections. So....what is left to use flash for....the thousands upon thousands of ads dancing across nearly every web page and bragging rights against Apples Iphone. No thanks Adobe, I can live without your crap software.
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I can honestly say that I couldnt care less. I dont play flash games. Youtube has its own app (though it currently doesnt work in the 1.5 OS), and HULU blocks mobile connections. So....what is left to use flash for....the thousands upon thousands of ads dancing across nearly every web page and bragging rights against Apples Iphone. No thanks Adobe, I can live without your crap software.
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Point well made..
I don't think the battery will be an issue. I think the CPU is just too slow.
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I don't think the battery will be an issue. I think the CPU is just too slow.
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Agreed,but man,wheres the love for us who purchased the Hero not too long ago...
casperlt1 said:
Agreed,but man,wheres the love for us who purchased the Hero not too long ago...
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Just read Palm is updating the Pre WebOS today via OTA. Among the changes is support for Flash 10. Doesn't say it'll work on the Pre, just supported.
roundaway said:
Just read Palm is updating the Pre WebOS today via OTA. Among the changes is support for Flash 10. Doesn't say it'll work on the Pre, just supported.
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It says Flash 10 will be available in the app store soon.
The Pre has much more robust hardware than the Hero.
Flash 10 would be rather useful in some cases, i know personally i would like to listen HoNcast videos while im at work without loading down my network at work. Boss doesn't like that...by the time we get flash 10...flash 11 or 12 might be out and id still be boned...but i can always hope for the best ha ha
we should
port android to the damn pre so we could have basically a droid... except my hero gets a much better signal compared to the damn pre....
I think it sucks. A lot of false promises with this phone. I feel like a beta tester
If anything my thought is that Sprint should allow another upgrade for Hero users. This phone has never worked at 100% since I got it. It's issue after issue.
I have to agree that, while I love this phone, it was definetely produced in a very incomplete state. It's really BS that HTC made the Nexus One not three months later and it has twice the hardware, plus a flash for the camera. WTF?
The hero has to have flash, it was the first phone with flash lite! Also, I'm sure that a developer will get it *looks at toast* if it 'isn't supported' and show them .
I thought this was interesting, and super lame. Dont know if its old news, buts its the first I heard of it.
No more adobe flash support for mobile?
http://www.slashgear.com/adobe-slam...over-mobile-flash-cut-stock-plunges-09194410/
Lemme know what this means to you all.
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I just received an update on Flash 11. So It might be the last
Hmm, I wonder if Google might change it's mind about flash now, they might go back with Apple and Microsoft and replace flash
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Flash is old hat though....
Technology is moving forward. We have things like HTML5 replacing the need for flash.
Flash is slow, clunky, and a battery and resource hog. Good riddance!
I dunno, I personally love having flash. I like my web pages to render exactly like a desktop, cuz my phone IS my desktop.
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I have always hated Flash but it's the best we have and everyone uses it unfortunately. Losing this ability on our phones is a bad thing no matter how you slice it. If we had something better that was more universal that's a different story but we don't.
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I have always hated Flash but it's the best we have and everyone uses it unfortunately. Losing this ability on our phones is a bad thing no matter how you slice it. If we had something better that was more universal that's a different story but we don't.
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Do u think its possible Google has something up their sleeve. They have to realize how many people bought android because of flash. I would hope so at least
revol.epic said:
it means the iphone wins and android is in the dust. people only dropped apple for android for flash... now no difference...
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It does not....No one I know bought an Android for the sole reason that it plays Flash, and if anyone did, they're an idiot. I bought one because I could customize it, root it, and a boatload of other things that I can't do with an iPhone. HTML5 is way better than Flash anyway. We'll all be better off because of this.
^^^^^^^^^
Ummm, actually, Flash is one of the main things I was excited about when I moved to android on June 4th 2010 (evo launch).
I came from WinMo. The skyfire browser on WinMo supported flash, and finally provided a desktop experience on my phone.
Reading the comments on the article I linked to seemed to support the argument that HTML5 could be great, if it was developed a lot further than its current state. Which means, as OstrichSak said, what until then?
And hopefully google DOES have something up their sleeve
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scottspa74 said:
^^^^^^^^^
Ummm, actually, Flash is one of the main things I was excited about when I moved to android on June 4th 2010 (evo launch).
I came from WinMo. The skyfire browser on WinMo supported flash, and finally provided a desktop experience on my phone.
Reading the comments on the article I linked to seemed to support the argument that HTML5 could be great, if it was developed a lot further than its current state. Which means, as OstrichSak said, what until then?
And hopefully google DOES have something up their sleeve
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It's not like it's disappearing out of thin air tomorrow.....They'll still use it until HTML5 becomes the standard.
Evo4gLI said:
It's not like it's disappearing out of thin air tomorrow.....They'll still use it until HTML5 becomes the standard.
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Funny choice of words because they will still be using AIR. lol
They aren't supporting mobile flash "in browser". But they are still supporting flash on mobile devices via AIR.
Evo4gLI said:
It's not like it's disappearing out of thin air tomorrow.....They'll still use it until HTML5 becomes the standard.
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Right, true. I guess I was just really shocked to see it no longer be supported. Anyhow, thanks for everyones comments and observations here
Saw a post on theverge, someone has ported ICS to transformer and making this the first tablet with a ics-port.
Much is not working, there is a youtube link in the artikle: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/21/...fficial?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I am going to wait until ASUS throws the official update my way, but just a few glimpses makes me giddy.
The browser loaded a web page instantly!
Really excited to see where it goes next.
zillah1985 said:
The browser loaded a web page instantly!
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While that does appear promising, bear in mind that ICS doesn't handle Flash content yet. I would not be surprised to see performance take a huge hit once Flash is enabled.
as long as it does not make us a html5 cripple im happy
earlyberd said:
While that does appear promising, bear in mind that ICS doesn't handle Flash content yet. I would not be surprised to see performance take a huge hit once Flash is enabled.
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Do people really care about flash? I get by just fine with flash blocked in my desktop browser, and I'M thinking of removing it from my phone because I just don't use it.
A far as I can tell, Flash on mobile has just been a marketing exercise.
I'm much more interested in finding out how purple have their TF101 dev environments set up so I can try building my own...
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..aaaaand I've just found out that I don't even have Flash installed on my phone anyway. I guess I won't miss it on ICS then...
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we have html5 screw flash
Who is the dev behind this ??
Is he going to share at some point??
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Hmmm, I see the name 'Bumbledroid' who was also developing roms for the Advent Vega... Excellent developer if you ask me, this is his twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/BumbleDroid
Criminy that browser's fast. And Flash can always be turned off, so I've never understood the complaints about a performance hit.
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Criminy that browser's fast. And Flash can always be turned off, so I've never understood the complaints about a performance hit.
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Yep, and likewise you can load flash for one specific element with a simple tap, so it's actually preferable to leaving it switched on, if you ask me. Quicker page download, and less annoying, flashing ads...
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Yep, and likewise you can load flash for one specific element with a simple tap, so it's actually preferable to leaving it switched on, if you ask me. Quicker page download, and less annoying, flashing ads...
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Looks pretty fast, although another video elsewhere suggests to me that home page swipe still isn't quite as smooth as the iPad 2. (Not surprising, as Apple customized their proc to include dedicated processes for specific functions, and I'd bet swiping is one of them.)
I'd like to see Photoshop Touch on the Prime -- that could really take advantage of the processor power!
I want flash, I like to play flash games on my transformer. I like that "tubes" for adults works great (only red have issues). I want it, even if browser with this plug-in is slower.
Flash is dead... adobe announced on 11 November they are stopping development of it on mobile devices to concentrate on html5... so why bother to build something obsolete into ICS? Sod it! Maybe apple were right all along :-(
Adobe blog here
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
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Holy **** shut up about Flash. Adobe isn't making it for mobile devices anymore. We will still have it, and many people still need it. I'm tired of like 30% of the threads in this forum contain people either *****ing about the lack of flash or being delusional enough to believe flash is useless on mobile.
ICS will get flash. So will Jellybean and other newer firmwares. No one, and I do mean absolutely no one, gives a **** about whether you want flash or whether you don't want flash.
With that said, the browser is insanely fast. That isn't just because flash is disabled, it's an actual increase in rendering time (along with a few tricks to convince you it's instant).
Gary13579 said:
Holy **** shut up about Flash. Adobe isn't making it for mobile devices anymore. We will still have it, and many people still need it. I'm tired of like 30% of the threads in this forum contain people either *****ing about the lack of flash or being delusional enough to believe flash is useless on mobile.
ICS will get flash. So will Jellybean and other newer firmwares. No one, and I do mean absolutely no one, gives a **** about whether you want flash or whether you don't want flash.
With that said, the browser is insanely fast. That isn't just because flash is disabled, it's an actual increase in rendering time (along with a few tricks to convince you it's instant).
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Woah! Steady up ol' fella.... don't get upset.... and I think you probably mean the rendering time is decreased or the rendering speed is increased ;-)
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stinky73 said:
Woah! Steady up ol' fella.... don't get upset.... and I think you probably mean the rendering time is decreased or the rendering speed is increased ;-)
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I'm not upset, merely annoyed, I naturally tend to swear a lot. Yes, I meant decreased. It looks faster than honeycomb, but it also only displays the page after it's fully rendered, which is known to cause a difference in appeared loading time.
stinky73 said:
Flash is dead... adobe announced on 11 November they are stopping development of it on mobile devices to concentrate on html5... so why bother to build something obsolete into ICS? Sod it! Maybe apple were right all along :-(
Adobe blog here
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
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That's for mobile only, and even if Adobe kills it off on the desktop, it will take a period of several years at the least before it largely dies out online. Apple sheeple may be willing to accept partial web access during those years; Android users aren't. We want, expect, and almost certainly will get flash on Ice Cream Sandwich.
http://m.androidcentral.com/adobe-flash-player-111-coming-galaxy-nexus-end-year
Assuming this means all of ics ......
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I seriously can't wait for ICS on my phone and shiny new tablet! It'll be great to have them both running the same version of Android, especially if AOSP builds can be used just as well on the TF as Asus' official builds.
stinky73 said:
Flash is dead... adobe announced on 11 November they are stopping development of it on mobile devices to concentrate on html5... so why bother to build something obsolete into ICS? Sod it! Maybe apple were right all along :-(
Adobe blog here
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
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Um...? That is only partially true. If you're going to give facts, you should give ALL the facts. That way it won't look like a one-sided story.
I guess the fact that Adobe PLANS to bring flash to ICS doesn't matter? And don't you think by the time HTML5 comes out, Jelly Bean would be ready?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/244405/adobe_flash_for_ice_cream_sandwich_by_yearend.html