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Hi all I would like to get this application working but it does not look like the test application works on our XDA's?? :-( It is saying somthing about needing the WIDCOMM drivers.... Any idea if there is an esay and safe way to get this utility working?
Hear is the web address of where you can find the application:
http://www.buzzone.net/eng/index.html
Thanks guys
Just install the latest Widcomm PPCPE drivers in "Hacking It"
Thanks for the reply rahjinoh, I will give that a go, I did see somthing about Widcomm drivers but when i looked into that option it seemed very complicated and a number of people where having problems with the XDA II with it would I be correct in saying that?
I'm a little scared to install it if its going to cause me any problems as I use a Bluetooth GPS (with Destinator 3) as well as the O2 Bluetooth headset (The new one, works like a charm)... I use both these bluetooth devices on a daily basis and cant affort them to go down.
Any idea if I will run into any problems if I install this Widcomm driver?
How does it work?
Do I have 2 bluetooth drivers installed then? both MS and Widcomm?
Sorry for all the questions would like to try and find out if it is a simple process or if I could run into problems....
Many thanks!
The Widcomm works with everything EXCEPT headsets.
The GPS would work with Widcomm but not the O2 headset, not yet at least.
Both the stacks will coexists and you can turn on 1 at a time.
I use that stack as well, some people get the "Cannot initialise bluetooth hardware" once in a while, but mine's fine.
I used the Widcomm with Widcomm related software, otherwise, my MS Bluetooth stack is on most of the time.
I use the MS one for my Motorola Headset and Bluetooth GPS, and the Widcomm one for other purposes, like BuzzOne
just remember that you can only enable 1 stack at a time
thanks for the reply rahjinoh
This sounds like a lot of messing around unfortunatly, I wish bluetooth would come up with some starndards and stop stuffing around so much, its going to die in the long run if they don't I recon. I've read that the makers of bluetooth have not stoped any research and devolopment with the technology (Sony/Ericson) this does not seem to be a good step but I don't blame them really as the software side of things is a compleat MESS!!!
Is Microsoft going to be fixing up there drivers? or has the problems been fixed in the Newer Windows 2003 SE Phone Edition? (Which I hope is going to be comming out for our XDA II's some time soon??)...
Cheers!!!
Any more news any one? any ideas what I can do to get my Bluetooth GPS, Head Set and Software Programs to work with ease and no problems?
Still no news??? ANY ONE???
Has any one mannaged to find an easy way to get this program working as yet?
still no news or any ways to get this software working is there? I need a solution that will work with my Bluetooth GPS (and current software, Destinator 3), Bluetooth Headset as well as this program...
Any thoughts any one?
Might want to read this...
http://www.buzzone.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12
Thanks for the reply Nighthawk...
I have seen that post before, but what I am worried about is that I've noticed that people on XDA-Forum has posted that you cannot use your Bluetooth Headset if you don't use the MS Stack? Is this correct?
I use a Bluetooth - GPS, Headset and software... Will I have any problems with these?
easiest way to configure internet bluetoothsharing
get widcom drivers from this site
http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=1436
then put all these files in your pocket pc windows main folder
\Windows.
go to file explorer of your pocket pc and extract these thre which you downloaded or run these files from your pocket pc..
now your bluetoth manager is installed. then just go to this site
and learn step by step to configure your pocket pc for intenet connection sharing with your desktop
http://en.pdamobiz.com/en/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32&PN=1
i think its the easiest way to do in min not hours
best regards for all my brothers.
Thanks for the reply maani_ch, great advice, only 1 question... If I install these drivers. Do you know if I can still use my Bluetooth GPS with my Bluetooth Heatset at the same time as I do at the moment???
As well as both of them working of course!
CHEERS!
Good question Guest, thats exactualy what I would like to konw, I'm a little scared to install stuff on my XDA now days as in the past I've learned that sometimes things just stop working after installing some applications and it's hard to find out what it is (as it is normaly combinations of things)... As I use it for work it's hard to afford any down time with my phone...
Any answers to the previous questions as to how it would work with Bluetooth GPS and Bluetooth Head set at the same time?
SSA connection is problem...Can any 1 help with a solution?
I have a quetion! How can I remove the first bluetooth icon that I have?
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I have a quetion! How can I remove the first bluetooth icon that I have?
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HKLM\Services\BTIcon
"Dll"="BTIcon_Dll.dll"
change this in:
"Dll Disabled"="BTIcon_Dll.dll"
(thanks to Cyber_mate)
I just got the Microsoft Voice Command 1.6 (refer to as VC from here on) this morning and so far it has been quite disappointing.
I am using it on a Cingular 8525 with a Sony Ericsson HBH-GV435 headset (both are BT 2.0).
Right after the installation I noticed that the talk button on the headset did not trigger the VC so I did a power cycling.
After the power cycling the button will now trigger the VC as if I pushed the VC button on the phone but the problem is that it is not picking up my voice command via the headset but it is still listening from the phone's mic.
Any thoughts on this?
hjkl;' why no delete?
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did you try to go under your d\settingd to chsnge the buttons? i think you have to reg edit the files for ear pice mic
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I didn't know that.....I'm going to try and search for it. Can you maybe post a linky for the info on how to do that?
thx!
Version 1.6 at present time DOES NOT WORK properly with the TyTN. You should go back to V1.5 and wait for a patch...
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Version 1.6 at present time DOES NOT WORK properly with the TyTN. You should go back to V1.5 and wait for a patch...
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I see. Thanks for the info. Hope the patch will be available soon!
What is the probelm with the ver 1.6 and the TyTn? Is it just the TyTN rom or does it not function with the JasJam or the 8525 either?
Dp you guys know this by experience or is it posted somewhere?
PocketPCThoughts list the 8525 as a "compatible device".
The problem will affect all Hermes devices, and it will probably require a patch / a new dll and/or a registry hack to make things work properly. It should work, but it doesn't, and this goes to show you what a poor job of testing was done before product release.
If the single biggest additional feature/function (ie, bluetooth support) doesn't work properly, why was it shipped?
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The problem will affect all Hermes devices, and it will probably require a patch / a new dll and/or a registry hack to make things work properly. It should work, but it doesn't, and this goes to show you what a poor job of testing was done before product release.
If the single biggest additional feature/function (ie, bluetooth support) doesn't work properly, why was it shipped?
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Come on folks... This is MS we are talking about...
If it had been a software package with a little penguin or a devil on it we would be just fine
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Come on folks... This is MS we are talking about...
If it had been a software package with a little penguin or a devil on it we would be just fine
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Or maybe we should start to look at HTC... Their implementation of the whole bluetooth "feature" is crap too... AD2P anybody? well let's hack the crap out of the register, and than try to be happy with songs that hickup every 30 secs or so... neah great!
First: Hermes generally does not work with BT2.0, I guess, especially my MDAvario2 does not...
I'm using a BT Headset HBH608, which was perfectly working with every phone I've ever tried...
Second: VC1.6 could not be installed on Vario2' and Hermes Devices at all, getting an error message...
VC1.5 (engl.) works, not perfect, but it usually works...
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First: Hermes generally does not work with BT2.0, I guess, especially my MDAvario2 does not...
I'm using a BT Headset HBH608, which was perfectly working with every phone I've ever tried...
Second: VC1.6 could not be installed on Vario2' and Hermes Devices at all, getting an error message...
VC1.5 (engl.) works, not perfect, but it usually works...
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What do you mean it cant be installed. I have it installed on a TyTn and it works perfectly. I am not using a BT headset, so cant comment on that.
I've got v1.6 on an 8525 and it seems to working fine.
what exactly are the problems others are having with Hermes devices?
@DigitalFX: Hermes does support Bluetooth 2.0, but not Enhanced Data Rate.
@JCrompton: MSVC 1.6 does not route sounds/commands properly through a Bluetooth headset on the Hermes. You may be able to initiate a call with your headset button, but you'll be using the mic/speaker on the Hermes to complete it. Also, sounds/announcements are not working as advertised. HTC and M$ are working on a patch.
VC 1.6 works fine on my MDA with Motorola BT headset.
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Or maybe we should start to look at HTC... Their implementation of the whole bluetooth "feature" is crap too... AD2P anybody? well let's hack the crap out of the register, and than try to be happy with songs that hickup every 30 secs or so... neah great!
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Seriously, why dind't any OEM use the Widcomm stack instead of the crappy MS one ?!
If only there was a way to hack the Widcomm stack and replace the MS one like they did with the Dell axims..
Adi
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@DigitalFX: Hermes does support Bluetooth 2.0, but not Enhanced Data Rate.
@JCrompton: MSVC 1.6 does not route sounds/commands properly through a Bluetooth headset on the Hermes. You may be able to initiate a call with your headset button, but you'll be using the mic/speaker on the Hermes to complete it. Also, sounds/announcements are not working as advertised. HTC and M$ are working on a patch.
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Has anyone tried this... (look for the cab)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=283412&page=5
My 8525 works fine with 1.6 and my SE662 BT headset. Calls can be activated over BT using headset button, and audio routes to my headset throughout my call.
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My 8525 works fine with 1.6 and my SE662 BT headset. Calls can be activated over BT using headset button, and audio routes to my headset throughout my call.
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Wow! Have you done any registry hacks? I'd love to see what your Voice Command keys look like....
TIA,
Richard
I have an 8525 also, and 1.6 works as MS says it does.
The headset button activates voice command, the Beep occurs on the 8525, and the mike on the 8525 listens for input. If I say, Dial ... or Call... then the call works fine on the BT headset like expected.
I know a patch is in the works to fix this issue, and when they do, 1.6 is superior to 1.5 for voice interpretation.
However, for now, I have 1.5 working perfectly fine. All features work, and all I had to do was enter/change 2 registry keys (only 1 was necessary)
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I have an 8525 also, and 1.6 works as MS says it does.
The headset button activates voice command, the Beep occurs on the 8525, and the mike on the 8525 listens for input. If I say, Dial ... or Call... then the call works fine on the BT headset like expected.
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So how loud do you have to shout for the mike on the 8525 to hear you if the phone is in the next room, or in your purse or you're driving? It might be the way MS intended it to work, but I doubt it.
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I can't believe that MS wouldn't have caught this problem during beta testing. Speaks volumes (pun intended) for the current state of software development and testing at MS. Anyone know if MS Reader works with WM5 yet? How about full multi-user support for ActiveSync? Win XP has been around for years now with this funtionality. And while I am on my rant, how about SP3 for Win XP? Currently we would have to download and install over 70 (!) critical patches to SP2 just to get our computers to the dynamic state they are at today. Come on MS, enough is enough. Get your s#!* together!!
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John
We just bought an '08 Altima with the bluetooth option. I can pair the XV6800 with no problem, but quality sucks. It is super choppy on my end and the person on the other end can't hear me at all. I tried my wifes XV6800, same thing. I can pair my old E815 and it works perfectly, so it's not the car. I tried a hard reset, no difference.
I tried loading dcd's clean rom 1.6.7, no difference. Is the BT stack upgraded in this rom?
Is there a newer BT stack out there that I could try?
Its worth downloading and trying the Jetware BT Extensions and see if that helps....but usually it does not change quality so much as enable functionality.
http://www.jetwaremobile.com/
Brad
Thanks for the suggestion, but it didn't help.
Developer help with Infiniti/Nissan Bluetooth?
I've got the exact same issue with an '07 Infiniti G35 w/navigation. I've been doing lots of reading on the xv6800's bluetooth, have tried DCD's and Custel's roms, and was just about to start my own thread, but I'll bet our cars are the same bluetooth/rom wise.
Jetware didn't help me either.
Here's the best fix I've found and it works for me consistently.
-Whence the option's available depending on whether you're dialing out or receiving, click the "use handset" button (transfers call to the xv6800).
-Shortly after press the "phone" button (transfers call back through car).
-Should work as expected after that.
Anyway, at this point I'm hoping one of the kind devs on this forum (DCD or Custel to name just two of many) might find a sec to help us out, although I'm aware and appreciate the fact that many other users are keeping them very busy on their own projects.
I'm assuming the xv6800's hardware would be most similar to other HTC pda phones (not sure what happens between GSM and CDMA devices), so here's a list of their phones who's bluetooth does work with my car (from here). It supports the bluetooth in 144 phones total.
Kaiser (wasn't working with stock rom, but works after this patch from HTC)
Hermes
Atlas
Wizard
Apache
Magician
Harrier
HTC pda phones that don't work with my car (at least not 100%).
Vogue
Elf
Titan
The Titan DOES work with an '07-'08 Infiniti G35 WITHOUT navigation (buy more, get less ).
In addition to the stock Verizon rom I've tried DCD's 1.6.1, 1.6.7, and Custel's 1.1 with no change in the symptoms.
It's my understanding the dev community thinks modding the Vogue's bluetooth for the Titan shows the most promise. I found this thread mentioning an alternative, but it seems to have gone stale on another forum. I'd prefer not to use that forum.
I understand the Vogue's bluetooth might show the most promise for general bluetooth applications (which would satisfy the most users), but becuase I plan to use bluetooth solely through this car, does anyone know if I might be able to go an easier route given the information I've provided?
I'm using radio 1.40.00, could 1.47.01 make a difference?
Can anything be learned through HTC's Kaiser update patch?
Are there any bluetooth alternatives being tested that I haven't found?
Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
OK. I tried what you said and confirm the same results on the '08 Altima. If I switch to handset and back to Bluetooth, the sound is clear (weird). The only problem is, I can't switch until a call is in progress. This is a work around, but not a good one. We need a BT stack that fixes this. Or maybe firmware upgrade from the auto manufacturer.
I know this is going to sounds like a cheap shot, but it sounds to me like something needs to be fixed on Nissan's side. I've tried mine in an Accura without any problem, however both of your stereos are manufactured by Nissan.
A word of advice: I always found that auto makers should stick to what they do- namely, make cars. If Nissan were so great at BT stereos, you'd see nissan headsets.
I never bother with factory Bluetooth anymore- I swapped my stereo right away for a decent Sony Xplod system that supports A2DP (wireless stereo) as well as phone calls. The aftermarket stereo not only sounds great, but I play all my music from my phone without taking it out of my pocket. Last I checked, no stock car stereos supported this. Sony is good at stereo and bluetooth (been around the block a few times).
Complain to Nissan. Or swap your stereo for something decent.
My Sprint 6700 with BigJ Rom works great with the 08 Altima. In the fact the audio quality is better than the Sanyo Katana that I also have paired. I am dispointed that I cannt answer calls from both phones on the car headset without first selecting the phone that has an incoming call. Even my At&T home phone with bluetooth can do that although it does require you to select a cellphone for outgoing calls.
I was able to upload a contact entry from my 6700 to the car Download phonebook. However, I can not get that into the more usable phonebook directory. Anyone succeed in doing that?
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My Sprint 6700 with BigJ Rom works great with the 08 Altima.
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You might be in the wrong forum. The Titan is a 6800, not a 6700.
yes, but this thread is discussing the Altima BT stereo. Truthfully, this whole thread should go in a more general BT forum, since I don't think it pertains to the 6800 exactly.
08 altima bluetooth
Just wanted to say thanks to Park City for posting the name of the web site with the bluetooth extentions (jetwaremobile.com). I have just recently purchased an 08 Altima with the Nav system and bluetooth. I have an Tmobile MDA with a cooked ROM running WM6 and I could not get the entire outlook phone book to download to the car. Once I installed the jetware mobile extentions everything worked just fine. I even got some additional functionality I was not expecting like signal strengh and battery status on the nav srceen. As for voice quality, it's never been an issue for me. So far anyway
As I can see, they are currently testing the Mogul with both of your cars. I don't know what they mean by 'testing', but that's what is going on right now.
http://www.nissanusa.com/bluetooth/...gation+System&mfg=All+Manufacturers&x=51&y=16
http://www.infiniti.com/bluetooth/t...igation+System&mfg=All+Manufacturers&x=42&y=9
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As I can see, they are currently testing the Mogul with both of your cars.
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I saw that too, but I don't have a lot of confidence they'll be releasing a bluetooth update any time soon. That's why I was hoping the Titan's bluetooth hardware might be similar enough to the hardware in one of the devices that DO work with our cars (Kaiser, etc., list in my earlier post) that their bluetooth software could be ported "easily" to the Titan. I'm sure the devs here are trying to get the Titan's bluetooth to work as well as possible for everyone's devices, which makes sense. However, with California's new "handsfree driving" law starting July '08, I'm only concerned with getting the Titan to work with my car.
Apparently no one's too sure if that's possible.
1. have any of you verified first hand that the kaiser does in fact work?
2. could someone research and identify the bt hardware in the kaiser, and the titan?
3. has anyone run the kaiser bt fix on their titan and tried it?
i suppose i never thought to look at the kaiser's bt. mine still functions after applying that kaiser patch..
the kaiser patch is a replacement TIInit_4_2_38.bts file
this file did not exist in any titan roms prior to 2.16
2.16 introduced this file (i compared md5 and its not the same data)
2.17, htcs supposed 'fix', does NOT contain this file
all vogue roms i have seen DO contain this file, but again its different data
maybe you guys are on to something
i will throw something together tomorrow probably...drinking time.
dcd, thanks for the help, enjoy those drinks!
1. Not first hand, I'm going off this post. That thread's also why I believe the Kaiser wasn't working with the car before the patch.
2. I've spent a lot of time trying, but have come up empty on any detailed hardware specs.
3. I just ran the Kaiser patch and the bluetooth functions the same as it does without the patch.
I'm using a rom from your 1.6.7 kitchen with nothing else added (rom's working great, btw). I had the same issue with the stock Verizon rom.
Crazy thought, but if the cooked rom I'm using is based on a stock rom that didn't originally include the .bts file (2.17), could it be being ignored?
FZ1 said:
this post
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good enough for me
Crazy thought, but if the cooked rom I'm using is based on a stock rom that didn't originally include the .bts file (2.17), could it be being ignored?
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maybe...i dont know how the file functions and ties into the others yet
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The Titan DOES work with an '07-'08 Infiniti G35 WITHOUT navigation (buy more, get less ).
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i take it they are completely different head units?
I have a 07 G35 WITH Navi and yes, the quality is choppy when I connect my phone to it. I have been just using my Platronics Discover 640 for the BT these days... It'd be nice if someone can come up with a solution for this...
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i take it they are completely different head units?
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They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to, the nav runs off that hd, the gui which controls much of the car is different, voice prompts are different, the available buttons are different (see attached pics), and you lose a cd changer. I do know first hand that w/o nav the bt works great with an XV6800 (got a loaner once). Again, I've been unable to find out what's specifically different hardware wise (even with the full service manual).
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I have a 07 G35 WITH Navi and yes, the quality is choppy when I connect my phone to it.
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Is choppy quality your only problem? Are your symptoms different from ours in my earlier post?
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They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to, the nav runs off that hd, the gui which controls much of the car is different, voice prompts are different, the available buttons are different (see attached pics), and you lose a cd changer. I do know first hand that w/o nav the bt works great with an XV6800 (got a loaner once). Again, I've been unable to find out what's specifically different hardware wise (even with the full service manual).
Is choppy quality your only problem? Are your symptoms different from ours in my earlier post?
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Once connected, I get a really static noise from my end while in the conversation. Of course, it'a really not usable at all....
I'm going to try the reconnecting method that was mentioned above today. I'll come back and report the outcome. And thanks for the help BTW.
EDIT: BTW, my Wizard (Cingy 8125), Hermes (Cingy 8525), Samsung i760, and few of the Moto handsets are all fine paired to my car. MAYBE, someone can get the BT stack from Hermes to work with the Titan?
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They're pretty different. With nav you get a 10 gig hd it'll rip cd's to
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whoa, someone hook me up with a G35 to uh, test
Wizard (Cingy 8125), Hermes (Cingy 8525), Samsung i760, and few of the Moto handsets are all fine paired to my car. MAYBE, someone can get the BT stack from Hermes to work with the Titan?
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well, peices of it maybe. i would blindly guess that the kaiser is closer to titan than hermes, but we need to exactly identify the bt chip in each. plus its still shady then, ie the kaiser has tnetw1251 for wlan same as the titan and I cannot get their newer wlan driver to work on my device.
what we really need to look at is previous bt stack modifications for other devices. i need a better understanding of tiinit_blah. I've also noticed that the devices that work have a more extensive, or a 2nd audiopara file that sets values for some bt devices. to be completely honest right now i dont know what im looking at and i need to figure out how it all fits together before i know where to start.
Well, I tried reconnect method from both phone and the car, but neither did anything at all. The quality is still crappy as heck. Man... I reallly wish this works.
EDIT: Actually my side of the speaker was complete static, and the other side could not hear what I was saying AT ALL. This efing blows.
Bluetooth has been available on mobile phones for almost 10 years
My shiny new Hero which I consider to be an excellent piece of work is pretty useless in this department....file transfers hands free connection etc
If a phone that costs £30 from tescos can do this why cant the £400 quid hero?
Why is android incapable of this extremely basic functionality? Why are android phones on sale at all? the OS is not finished and will not be untill Bluetooth just works.
I have pissed off several friends by recomending this phone pre release assuming that the bluetooth profiles had been fixed on the hero. But if they cant send mates in the pub a photo of a friend falling over or use their hands free kits how can I blame them?
Is there a timescale for adding working bluetooth to android?
Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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Don't just blame Google tho... Android is open source and the Hero's version is a seperate dev branch to the cupcake 1.5 thats on standard 'Google' phones. I mean they must have fiddled with it anyway as some things that worked on the standard 1.5 build don't work on the Hero.
So HTC are just as much to blame for this... what can we call it... oversight...
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So HTC are just as much to blame for this... what can we call it... oversight...
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No they are not! The reason that this functionality is not available is because the Bluetooth APIs have not be finalized. Whilst potentially HTC could have added their own, this would have fragmented Android as an OS and this is definitely not the way forward.
Unfortunately, Apple showed that the market will accept reduced functionality in devices, when they shipped the original iPhone.
However, with respect to Google, I fully agree that nearly a year down the line since the G1 was launched, they should've got further than they have with Bluetooth support.
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Dave
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No they are not! The reason that this functionality is not available is because the Bluetooth APIs have not be finalized. Whilst potentially HTC could have added their own, this would have fragmented Android as an OS and this is definitely not the way forward.
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The Android OS will become fragmented, Android is designed that way it's supposed to be a base on which mobile phone manufactures can build upon. It's also the reason you get "with Google" phones, if you want a pure Android OS those are the phones you buy.
HTC should have seized the opportunity to fix some of the glaring ommisions from Android, epecially considering that there is no indication that any more bluetooth profiles are included in donut.
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Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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I say assume, but HTC posted bluetooth profiles on the android community as GAP SPP HSP HFP A2DP and AVRCP profile, so where are they?
I admiit I should have checked for OBEX, I was probably caught up in the hype, and the oooos and arghhs of the reviews, perhaps the reveiwers should have started with..... erm this phone does not work before we parted with our hard earned. Shame on you engadget
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I say assume, but HTC posted bluetooth profiles on the android community as GAP SPP HSP HFP A2DP and AVRCP profile, so where are they?
I admiit I should have checked for OBEX, I was probably caught up in the hype, and the oooos and arghhs of the reviews, perhaps the reveiwers should have started with..... erm this phone does not work before we parted with our hard earned. Shame on you engadget
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Just get BlueX and use one of the many methods to root the phone, then you'll have full send/receive bluetooth capabilities. It's very easy.
does bluex actually work on the hero? and is it one of the ones that seems to be hidden on some hero devices?
Didn't know that HTC had put those profiles out there...but if they're just in beta or being tested, then i am sure they'll be here soon.
and besides, the base android build on the hero is the same as on the magic, it's just had a few kernel changes for any hero specific hardware, it's still running 1.5.
i personally knew the device had no obex, and still got it. I suppose it's each to their own really. Millions of people got the iphone and were rabid about how wonderful it was even though it was missing some basic features. i bet hero will have the same kinda people, on both sides of the argument.
i like it and am happy, but am certainly not going to defend the missing features, i just rely on the fact that as i am happy with it as it is, anything extra is a bonus.....
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does bluex actually work on the hero? and is it one of the ones that seems to be hidden on some hero devices?
Didn't know that HTC had put those profiles out there...but if they're just in beta or being tested, then i am sure they'll be here soon.
and besides, the base android build on the hero is the same as on the magic, it's just had a few kernel changes for any hero specific hardware, it's still running 1.5.
i personally knew the device had no obex, and still got it. I suppose it's each to their own really. Millions of people got the iphone and were rabid about how wonderful it was even though it was missing some basic features. i bet hero will have the same kinda people, on both sides of the argument.
i like it and am happy, but am certainly not going to defend the missing features, i just rely on the fact that as i am happy with it as it is, anything extra is a bonus.....
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I for one have not beeen able to get Bluex to work on Hero neither Root explorer????
Ok (Grits teeth)
Still love the phone would still buy it (friends probably wont till bluetooth fixed) would have liked a choice on the bluetooth though.
If the reviewers were paying more attention to the bluetooth deficiency I am sure google would be urgently fixing it!
Guess will have to wait. Please dont hesitate to let us all know when you find out they've fixed it
Ovek said:
The Android OS will become fragmented, Android is designed that way it's supposed to be a base on which mobile phone manufactures can build upon.
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Yes it is - and the bluetooth APIs are part of that base!
Google were very specific about why they chose not to ship Android with broken APIs (see http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html ). If HTC had "done their own thing" they too would have been committed to support this for years to come.
As a developer, personally I'd be happy to wait for a single fit-for-purpose API to come to Android, than support a wide variety of vendor-specific extensions.
If Android wants to gain serious traction in the Smartphone market, they need to look at Apple and the iPhone. Here you've a single software and hardware platform which is going to make application development far simpler.
It is ok to build on top of the Android platform (as you said yourself), but if each handset vendor goes about changing the underlying nuts and bolts differently this will adversely affect market acceptance of the platform.
Regards,
Dave
so bluetooth does not work on shipped devices?
it works on the htcmagic hero rom but not on the dream hero rom. hack
i wonder why
bluetooth works, but only for headsets.
maybe the magic rom has bluex installed, as i know bluex works on the magic, but not on the hero
rhedgehog said:
bluetooth works, but only for headsets.
maybe the magic rom has bluex installed, as i know bluex works on the magic, but not on the hero
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Hero supports a few more profiles than just headsets.
From the HTC website:
Q.
What Bluetooth profiles are supported?
The phone supports Bluetooth Headset, Handsfree, A2DP, and AVRCP profiles. You can connect your phone to a Bluetooth hands-free headset or a Bluetooth car kit and use those devices to listen to music and send and/or receive calls. Transferring files between your phone and PC using Bluetooth is not yet supported.
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We won't see file transfer or OBEX until Google finalize the bluetooth APIs.
Regards,
Dave
puckoon said:
I have pissed off several friends by recomending this phone pre release assuming that the bluetooth profiles had been fixed on the hero. But if they cant send mates in the pub a photo of a friend falling over or use their hands free kits how can I blame them?
Is there a timescale for adding working bluetooth to android?
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Agree about the file transfer (although its a smartphone so use flikr/twitter)
As for handsfree I am using just fine with my Parrot MKi9200 car kit. Full handsfree and A2DP Stereo support with controls. Full address book sync etc.
So apart from file transfer its got a full set of useful features.
Russ
RussST24 said:
Agree about the file transfer (although its a smartphone so use flikr/twitter)
As for handsfree I am using just fine with my Parrot MKi9200 car kit. Full handsfree and A2DP Stereo support with controls. Full address book sync etc.
So apart from file transfer its got a full set of useful features.
Russ
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How did you get the address book to sync, I thought this didn't work, and it doesn't seem to with my Alpine kit. Did you install bluex?
The Bluetooth kit in my Land Rover Discovery 3 can pull the contacts list off my Hero and also notify me of who is calling in the head unit.
Pretty sure its not been pulled off my Nokia N85 when I used that as there is no storage in the kit as far as I am aware.
Its also just to note - a Nokia kit sourced / OEM'd by Land Rover and is the standard Bluetooth PTI they factory build.
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How did you get the address book to sync, I thought this didn't work, and it doesn't seem to with my Alpine kit. Did you install bluex?
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No, I have the same car kit, it just works as is from the box.
Hi,
I was a bit confused by this thread and all the bluetooth problems. At the moment I have a Touch Diamond but I am up for an upgrade in the next month so I am looking at either the Diamond 2 or the Hero. I have a Sony BTNX20 stereo BT headset that i use for everything, Will I still be able to use this headset for stereo music on the Hero? Also what video files can it play? Or is there something like Core Player available that will play everything? A bit off topic but i thought id ask since i had a bluetooth question!
mightycaz said:
Hi,
I was a bit confused by this thread and all the bluetooth problems. At the moment I have a Touch Diamond but I am up for an upgrade in the next month so I am looking at either the Diamond 2 or the Hero. I have a Sony BTNX20 stereo BT headset that i use for everything, Will I still be able to use this headset for stereo music on the Hero? Also what video files can it play? Or is there something like Core Player available that will play everything? A bit off topic but i thought id ask since i had a bluetooth question!
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Your BT headset should be fine, as for video play back... well it's poor. And as for Core player it won't be out for long time (if ever!).
Is it possible and if so, can any of the chef's here cook a ROM which includes the Microsoft bluetooth stack over the Widcomm one??
Cheers
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I know each has it's merits and problems, but I'm having more problems with the WIDCOMM stack than I did with the MS one on the HD, so I'd like to see this in a cooked ROM as well...
Agree. A good idea.
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I really hope this can be done... chefs, please help us out!
It cant be done easily. The bluetooth chips in these phones (TP2, HD2, etc) dont work with the microsoft BT stack because the drivers supplied by HTC, don't work with it. They're designed to only interface with the widcomm stack and software :/ God knows I hate the widcomm stack on my TP2 as well, especially the crappy quality of the A2DP protocol, but unless some very bright mind comes along that can hack/rewrite a driver to work with the MS stack.. we're out of luck :/
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It cant be done easily. The bluetooth chips in these phones (TP2, HD2, etc) dont work with the microsoft BT stack because the drivers supplied by HTC, don't work with it. They're designed to only interface with the widcomm stack and software :/ God knows I hate the widcomm stack on my TP2 as well, especially the crappy quality of the A2DP protocol, but unless some very bright mind comes along that can hack/rewrite a driver to work with the MS stack.. we're out of luck :/
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Thanks....and bugger
NRGZ28 said:
It cant be done easily. The bluetooth chips in these phones (TP2, HD2, etc) dont work with the microsoft BT stack because the drivers supplied by HTC, don't work with it. They're designed to only interface with the widcomm stack and software :/ God knows I hate the widcomm stack on my TP2 as well, especially the crappy quality of the A2DP protocol, but unless some very bright mind comes along that can hack/rewrite a driver to work with the MS stack.. we're out of luck :/
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Thanks for the explaination NRG. You managed to get MSVC to play nice with your Energy ROM for the TP2... was that because of a updated or perhaps an older Widcomm stack?... MSVC not playing nice with my BT headset HD2 is killing me. I use it all the time when driving... Your TP2 ROM and perhaps another were the only ones that worked at all with MSVC
I emailed HTC to voice my "opinion" of the Widcomm stack... not that I expect anything to change
Thats very dissapointing to hear!
It´s very important for me to dial contacts using my bluetooth headset SE HBH-PK740 !
Hi there,
I have a Sony Ericsson HBH-DS980 and it can access the addressbook/last calls without any problem on HD2. Is there any chance you might have missed the permission screen before first access attempt?
Also compared to Cruise, Diamond and HD (all bt tweaks applied) HD2 seems to have the best quality stereo output out of the box with these headphones. The bass is great and there is no background noise at all.
I friend of mine uses TP2 with Sony Ericsson HBH-DS220 and the stereo audio quality is also superior to MS stack both on WM and Vista/Win7.
I think it would make sense to open an thread to highlight incompatible BT hardware so that at least users planning to buy new ones will get the right headphones.
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Hi there,
I have a Sony Ericsson HBH-DS980 and it can access the addressbook/last calls without any problem on HD2. Is there any chance you might have missed the permission screen before first access attempt?
Also compared to Cruise, Diamond and HD (all bt tweaks applied) HD2 seems to have the best quality stereo output out of the box with these headphones. The bass is great and there is no background noise at all.
I friend of mine uses TP2 with Sony Ericsson HBH-DS220 and the stereo audio quality is also superior to MS stack both on WM and Vista/Win7.
I think it would make sense to open an thread to highlight incompatible BT hardware so that at least users planning to buy new ones will get the right headphones.
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PLEASE explain us how you access adressbook?Voicedial?
I have SonyEricsson HBH-PV740 and Motorola HT820 and no way to dial adressbook.
I can dial last number by touching headset button twice but there´s no way to dial any person from adressbook without holding HD2 in my hands.
Hi there,
I have paired the device as usual. Then two profiles were selected by default. (stereo audio and handsfree).
1 Connect to your bluetooth device. You will see the services (image 1)
2 Select your device and then press properties button on the bottom left. (image 2)
3 Check the box where it says "Connections authorised"
If you dont perform step 3, next time the headset tries to access addressbook, you will see a promt on your phone and you will need to allow it. If you miss this screen, the functionality will not work.
When you press addresbook button or call history button on your headest, you will see that a new service is added to the list of services (image 4) named Phone Book Access. This will only show when you are accessing the addressbook or call history.
I can see both the names and numbers on the screen of the BT headset.
Also, in ms stack I would only see a number for the incoming calls on my headphones. Now I can see the name as well. So this was another improvement of the new BT stack.
Regading voice dialling, since I have a small screen on my headphones(980), did not need it. I think MS voice command would do the job well. The only issue I remember from previous WM devices was you needed to get the right DLL associated so that you could trigger it with the dial button on the headphones.
These theads might be a good starting point regarding MS voice Command
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304224
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281977
you might find more up to date resources if you searh the forums deeper.
Hi there,
is there anyone know why the bluetooth was downgrade from 2.1 in WM6.1 to 1.9.3 in WM6.5 in T-Mobile TP2? Any way to upgrade it back to 2.1?
I have a Sony Ericsson HBH-IS800 headset that requires Bluetooth2.0+ in order to use the volume control on TP2. There is no volume control on the headset.
Thanks.