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Newbee: How to install WidComm? And dose it work?

Now I have been looking for 2 days on this forum, and I cant find it anywhere!!
Okay, I would like to be in my bed with my PDA, and surf the internet.
I dont have a Bluetooth dongle my self, by the guy next to me has. And I have permision to use his internet connection. (Less than 10 meters away, it about 3-4 meters).
So one problem is that I cant use the BT Active Sync, to surf the internet (I dont know if this is how it is done), like you can surf while the XdaII is in the cradel.
So I have been surfing around, and I think I need the WidComm BT stack to be able to surf the internet over BT. But how is this done. I have downloadet files, and read alot on this forum, but I cant seem to find any install guide those cab files and other thing to the PDA.
And then I have read about alot of users that has had problems with the WidComm stack, and say that the M$ BT stack can do the same in the latest update, but I cant find the settings, it all looks the same.
So if any one can help a XdaII (or PDA) newbee, with an install guide and some of your sugestions for the networking, then I would be realy happy.
BTW, if you also know how to set up an audio gateway on the PDA (for my head set) then that wold be great as well. And maby to get the button on the headset to do M$ voice command (if you have it install), then that would be fantastic.

Try downloading bluetooth tools and see if that works for you.
http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html

I did that, but it did not change to much, it only gave me a "call last number" function in the head set, but not any thing with the network

BT and COM
i am having a hard time with it as well, I have win XP pro, and a sitecom USB BT dongle, the drivers for the dongle dont seem to work, it is has if the XP drivers have taken over, all the guides seem to use settings that are not available to the Windows XP BT drivers,
at one point i thought i got it, instead of connecting my XDA to the PC i did it the other way about. This time windows detected and setup some COM ports, although at the moment its at com 13 and 14
(this can be changed by doing to Device manager, selecting the port, properties, advanced, and changing it to whatever you want, it will say the port is in use, but none of the other ports 1-12 are infact in use (although it says they are) not sure if this will generate further problems?
So i think thats the PC side sorted?
now the PDA side, just before i updated PPC2003 i tried this and it didnt work, i then installed those BT tools and it came up with the cool servies page right at the end of setting up a link.
But didn't work, with hindsight i believe it would work if i had connect as i explained above, adding the XDA to the PC.
I then updated PPC2003 useing o2's updater.
setting up a link using the BT settings right after the update did have some extra settings to do with com ports but it still doesnt work and the connect via BT on activesync isnt there.
Then i tried those BT tools everyone is going on about
i get the BT icons on the desktop but thats it, nothing else happens. The cool services screen fails to pop up after setting the link and the connect via BT in sync is also missing.
this might be of no use but at one point useing standard drivers from XP and PPC2003 SP1 i did get a message saying it couldnt connect because it might not be a smart phone or PPC or somthing like that. im totally stuffed with this.
oh it does connect in that i can transfer files TO the XDA but not the other way about.

Hello folks!
This is how I've done it...
1- I installed Widcomm version 1.3.2.7 (on the PC) (BTW I use a Cheap-o-Epox USB dongle)
2- I Downloaded BT Tools (http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html)
3- I established an Activesync connection through Bluetooth (this is done on the PocketPC by using the Activesync/Tools/Connect via 'computername')
4- I configured Widcomm to always trust the incoming MDA2 Bluetooth connection.
5- That's it, works every time... (well actually sometimes works on the second try but works nonetheless)
Good luck!
Rayan

I've also had some success with the Widcomm stack, but I have one problem.
In order for the bluetooth connection to work, I need to log into an account on the XP machine. If someone else then comes along and logs into another account, then my bluetooth connection is dropped. Also, if I don't log into an account, then I can't use bluetooth.
Basically, it seems to be the case that instead of running as a service, the bluetooth stack is running in user accounts. Anyone else got experience with this? Is there a way to configure the installation so that it runs as a service?

Hi Guys,
I have a similar question... is there a release due / tools available to fully utulise the bluetooth stack like the ipaqs for example. Ipaqs can locate and connect to devices as a 'hunter' but the XdaII just seems to be the 'hunted' when it comes to establishing a connection. Is there any way to make my otherwise excellent XdaII a bit more agressive when it comes to seeking out bluetooth connections??? I have already installed the Bluetooth tools v1.01 but this doesn't help the actual 'seeking' connectivity part of things
Can any of you bright sparks out there help ???? If enough people wanted this functionality, what would it cost to develop if it is not available maybe ???
just a thought. Cheers all.
AndyG

Technoas said:
Now I have been looking for 2 days on this forum, and I cant find it anywhere!!
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So I have been surfing around, and I think I need the WidComm BT stack to be able to surf the internet over BT. But how is this done. I have downloadet files, and read alot on this forum, but I cant seem to find any install guide those cab files and other thing to the PDA.
So if any one can help a XdaII (or PDA) newbee, with an install guide and some of your sugestions for the networking, then I would be realy happy.
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I found the answer to how to install the .cab file, just copy it to your device and select it in file manager, it then install's itself.
If I manage to connect my GTek 2020 to my BT AP with this I'll let you know!

Widcomm Phone Edition stack working - get it here!!!

Hi Guys: I have got the Widcomm Phone edition stack working on my unit.
It seems to be fine but I have not fully tested all aspects of the software - so if any little bits don't work, let me know...
You need to install the official widcomm 1-4-1-59 version
Then you can upgrade it using the cab file I have made.
The 1.4.1.59 version file I got from the following topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=57550#57550
thanks go to mamaich for the file.
the upgrade file consistes of the PE edition files and the required registry entries.
Let me know how you all go on with it - but I am not really a hacker so any serious probs I will not be able to fix...
if anyone else can improve on the installation be my guest

any news about which profiles it support that ms or the old one dont support ?

I hope unintall won't mess up my volume as in case of original bluetoothgps.cab

I can't garauntee it works perfectly, so I suggest everyone make a backup of their system before use.

has anyone tested any BT headset with this new stack?

I've got it installed and it all seems to work well exept for the handsfree/headset profile, I have set up my headset ok it is discovered and bonds fine but when I try to connect from the xda2 the connection fails after "waiting for device" for some time. tried with a motorola hs 810 and a neovoice usb, same with both. Anyone got any ideas?

BT headset
I have a 6315 and an XDA 2, I haven't tried the BT Stack on the XDA 2 yet but I found when I bondeded my HBH-30 to my 6315 once it made the connection my BT Headset shut off for some reson. This caused the bonding to fail, but as soon as I turned my headset back on (while it was trying to discover services) it completed the process and worked on my 6315. I'm not sure if this will be the same, but it's worth a shot.
Brandon

Test results
Hi fellows
Here is little bit of my testing of this new BT Stack, which we all awaiting for..
Proc…
1. Installed as per instructions 1.59 without any problem. During installation was prom to override .dll files – agreed to do that. For good or for bad – will see later.
2. Installed .cab file provided by icarusbop (big thanks to him for doing this) without any problem. Screen shots will be attached below.
3. Reset it as requested upon installation and got Widcomm BT working instead of MS BT..
4. Paired it with my BlueTrek G2 within 3 seconds (which took usually 10 sec with MS BT)
5. BT recognized G2 as device with Headset/Hands-Free profiles and asked to use as default… I said yes…
Here comes Cons part ;(
1. Unfortunately even after paring – my I-Mate can not get connected with G2 (see screen shot)
2. As you can see in another screen shot – there is Hands Free menu – it can not be accessed, or can be accessed ONLY while connection is established.
3. AND the last L … So, this new BT is not working now… I decided to go back to MS BT… SURPISE!!! I am getting message that BT HARDWARE IS NOT INSTALL ON THIS UNIT…. L Assumption - .dll files were overwritten (see Proc 1)
Here is my 2 cents in this jorney… I am hoping that described problems can be fixed and we can make it working (without doing hard reset on my device )
Paul

thanks guys! for testing hands-free/headset profile. by now everything seems to work fine with this new stack except for hands-free/headset profile.

New comments to my testing
1. I tried what NeoCole recommended - didn't work for me
2. As soon as new BT is OFF - MS BT is working fine .....uf
LETS FIX THE HEADSET PART PLEASE

I posted this is another thread - but in case someone does not read that thread . . . it is relevant here as well.
If the intent of this is to get voice dialing without touching the device, that is by only pressing a button on the headset to initiate a voice-dial program to make the call, there is no evidence this works with this BT stack either.
I have been reading other forums with people who have the H6315 already (mine is in the mail to me now) and none of them have been able to make this work. Nor is there any mention of this capability in any of the literature and/or documentation for this device. It seems that if this was a feature of this phone, it would be prominently displayed!

Voice Command
Okay.. on my 6315 I press the headset button, it beeps, sound and voice is now transfered to the headset. I do this before I initate voice command. Now all I do is press a button that activates Voice Command on the PPC and walla, I'm speaking and listening through my BT Headset. This is a huge step forward from using the MS Stack, and I feel that since the Phone Edition of the Widcomm is 1.0.0 I'm sure that they'll associate a hardware button with the headset button in future releases. Anyhow.. I think that the functionality of the Widcomm BT Stack is well worth the work. The XDA 2 would be a lot better device if the BT Stack worked 100% of the time and was fully compatibile.

I also have not got it working.
the Hp 6315 is well know to still require a hardware button press (not on the headset) to activate voice command. They can still not do with any nokia or SE phone can do easily.
Surur

VoiceCommand
That would be correct... One press of the HW Button does it all on a Regular phone.
The 6315 has brought it closer to allow you to interact with programs using your BT Headset, but yes you must still activate the programs on your handset before you can use them with your headset.
So.. to sum it up...
1. You can't interact with Voice Command using MS BT Stack on an XDA 2
2. You can interact with Voice Command using Widcomm Stack on 6315, but you have to activate the headset first, then start VoiceCommand on the PPC by using the HW Button.
Hopefully through this thread we'll be able to give the XDA 2 the same functionality as the 6315.
And maybe if Widcomm provides an update to allow the headset to activate a HW button, we'll be to the one step solution.

I do not want my comments to be read as stating that this is not a worthwile endeavor. I simply meant to make sure that someone does not go to the trouble of installing this new stack (particularly those who might be considered novices) with the mistaken impression that by doing so they will have that "one step" voice dialing solution.
This is by all means a worthwile endeavor, but it is merely a step down the road . . . not the final destination.
Y'all are doing good work - keep on blazing that trail!

hm.. I would think that it is more of MS Voice Dial functionality than BT - to recognize signal sent from headset as request for voice dialing.
When MS released first version of Voice Dialing they did not expect new functionality to have BT headset with hands-free profile connected to the device.

paired with my Jabra 250 = ok
connected to my Jabra 250 = failed

No luck with Moto headset
Eveything else seem to be working. No problems with detecting and working with BT access point

rehman said:
I hope unintall won't mess up my volume as in case of original bluetoothgps.cab
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Hi Rehman,
i tried to install and uninstall, for the very first time i didn't have to get a Hard-Reset done. the volume didn't disappear. so i believe trying it wont be a harm, but yet i would recommend to get a full Backup first.

Trying to figure this out
Okay, I looked through the whole registry. I can't find anything out of the ordinary. Only thing I can think of is the sound driver. Does anyone know what DLL that is? I bet it's a different version.
If someone that knows more about which DLL does what. Let's get all the DLL's that could pertain to Sound and Phone and compair the 6315 DLL's with the ones on the XDA2.

Microsfot Wireless Bluetooth intelli explorer mouse & JA

can this be done?
my magician detect the intelli mouse, but can do nothing with it...
cant also use the "stowaway think outside mouse" drivers since they detect only the Stowaway mouse... also couldnt use the IFrog Bluetooth keyboard drivers, even though they support HID detection...
can someone know how to connect between these two?

any news on that... i´m trying to use intellimouse explorer, too... no luck...
someone out there to patch the Thinkoutside drivers ?

I saw somebody saying that the widdcom BT stack supported the mouse...
I dont know if its true, but to find out id have to intstall a new OS (im on 2005) and hack around with BT stacks...
Id rather just hear from somebody running the 2.02/2.06 sin merged rom with the widdcom stack to see if it works. But i guess there isnt anybody with that combination and a BT mouse too.

Magician only...
i ment it to work on the magician.
do you have a magician?

I have a german magician,
neither ms bt mous nor ms bt keyb works!

maybe we should state out that bluetooth firstly only specifies the way how information is being transferred: via radio in a certain frequency - nothing else!
It does NOT determine the way how the transferred information is being interpreted. Lets say when you connect your monitor to the vga connector it is already clear what signals are transferred and how they are read out to compose the picture on the screen.
In other cases (e.g. tracking the mouse movements) we must specify before any exchange of data how is will be interpreted. This is done in so called protocols also known as 'profiles' when you speak of protocols in connection with bluetooth devices.
This means that a bt mouse will be detected (this is standardized) but your device will not know how to interpret the data which is being sent from your mouse unless it supports the matching profile (should be 'HID' - Human Interface Device protocol in this case).
The hardware support of the bt hardware itself plus the additional profiles is called a 'stack'. On Magician you will find the original Microsoft BT stack which lacks of many profiles. It has turned out that other stacks like the one from Toshiba or Widcomm also work (more or less) on Magician. Maybe these ones support your hardware. Let me advise you that there are still many issues with alien stacks so dont install these unless your absolutely sure what youre doing!
Hope that i could make things a little bit clearer for you.
regards,
Quappo

Great!
Could we pin this post within the board so it stays on top or - maybe the better solution - could we publish it in the wiki? I guess that's the best newbie explanation of bluetooth I ever read... 8)
Great post, quapo! 8)

Still no HID driver for PPC
Great Answer!!!! ;-)
OK, i knew all that.
still no answer...:-(

bt issue |2k3SE|

Hey when i try to enable my BT it says "There is no Bluetooth hardware instaled on this device."
What shall i do?

Mr-Sale said:
Hey when i try to enable my BT it says "There is no Bluetooth hardware instaled on this device."
What shall i do?
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Go to your extended ROM >>> see if there is a BT.cab there, and of so run it. Otherwise you may have to reflash the ROM. Maybe others will advise differently.

Nope...that aint there... i searched a few extended rom compilations but couldnt find any BT.cab or similiar cab

BT
Mr-Sale said:
Nope...that aint there... i searched a few extended rom compilations but couldnt find any BT.cab or similiar cab
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Given we are using the same ROM version (Sin's merged), then I think the drivers are there but it sounds as thought the icon (BT_Icon.cab in the ROM) may be missing. What you could do is download BTH Tools v.1010 from XDA-Developers ... I found it yesterday by doing a search. This is installed from a PC and may help you get it going. It is not a BT engine, merely a means of activating/deactivating BT and it shows which battery is in use as well.
I have a weird one as well in that my BT works well in connecting with a laptop computer, but when I use it with a Plantronics M3000 BT earpiece, I have to re-do the connection the hard way (i.e., pair the damn thing) after every time the XDA II is suspended. I don't think it is the Plantronics device (which is a piece of ****e in my experience) alone .... will sort it even if I have to buy a better BT earpiece. Maybe others have some advice??

Bluetooth is totally pants

Is anyone else finding that their bluetooth is really slow at sending and receiving items. Also that there is no way to send items direct to a contact that is in your partnership list, you have to search for them every time you want to send something. If someone has found ways around these problems, please let me know.

an adaption of the Blue angel's bluetooth interface would be lovely. It had loads of options, and let you explore remote devices. This is just like the XDA2.
Would it be possible to port the BA software onto the wizard? I think it uses a different BT stack.

they were able to port the wizards rom to run on a blue angel. I guess they should be able to use the blue angels bluetooth on a wizard.

Please help - is so annoying
Ok, after a little research i found this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33532 .It has an app which i installed and has helped a little. I can now send images direct to people i have paired with without having to search local bluetooth first. The thing is it only sends images to paired people. I want it to also send sound and video files. When in file explorer, holding down on an image brings up the extra option of "Send image via bluetooth" which then allows to send by the already paired devices. When doing the same on videos and sound, it doesnt give this option. Maybe this can be done in the registry, but i dont know alot about that so maybe someone could help?

i tried this on my kjam and i had a problem with it, so i uninstalled it.
the problem i had is that the bt keep switching off by itself with no reason, even if i was already syncing over bt, the connection is lost suddenly and i found out that the bt is off (even though the bt icon on the system tray shows its still on).
i don't know about you guys, but i had this prob twice, i reinstalled it again and gave me the same prob.
i can live without it.

Ok, maybe that stack is not all that great. After soft reset lost all sound, and BT does not work properly. Uninstalled and back to normal. So again is there any way to send to people in your paired list without having to search for them every time. Is becoming a pain coz some new phones turn off discoverable after 60 seconds. So they have to keep turning theirs back on. Its a simple option, dont know why they didnt put this in. Any help?

I haven't seen more than 50-60KBps. Has anyone else seen higher transfer rates?
Wizard's BT is useless. Buggy, slow and poor.
And it is not v2.0, it is v1.2
It does not have EDR.
It doesn't even have PAN ffs... :x

tsiros said:
I haven't seen more than 50-60KBps. Has anyone else seen higher transfer rates?
Wizard's BT is useless. Buggy, slow and poor.
And it is not v2.0, it is v1.2
It does not have EDR.
It doesn't even have PAN ffs... :x
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Info about BT in wizard. Directly from BT CIG's site. The problem is not with the Wizard, it is in usin MS BT stack.

thanks for that emmeborn, if the problem is the stack, do you know of a stack upgrade which works good? I tried the stack form the blue angel, but stuffed up my phone, so uninstalled it.

actually, i just looked at those pdf files, and at the bottom where it has the revisions, seems they have launched a version around 1 month ago. Would this be a software or hardware update. If its software then i reckon this could solve alot of problems im having.

Enervate said:
actually, i just looked at those pdf files, and at the bottom where it has the revisions, seems they have launched a version around 1 month ago. Would this be a software or hardware update. If its software then i reckon this could solve alot of problems im having.
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It is the long awaited rom update. A test version of that rom has already leaked. You can find more info in the Wizard upgrade forum topic about that version.
I am awaiting the localized swedish version of that rom and the latest about that version is that it should be released mid March.