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Newbee: How to install WidComm? And dose it work?

Now I have been looking for 2 days on this forum, and I cant find it anywhere!!
Okay, I would like to be in my bed with my PDA, and surf the internet.
I dont have a Bluetooth dongle my self, by the guy next to me has. And I have permision to use his internet connection. (Less than 10 meters away, it about 3-4 meters).
So one problem is that I cant use the BT Active Sync, to surf the internet (I dont know if this is how it is done), like you can surf while the XdaII is in the cradel.
So I have been surfing around, and I think I need the WidComm BT stack to be able to surf the internet over BT. But how is this done. I have downloadet files, and read alot on this forum, but I cant seem to find any install guide those cab files and other thing to the PDA.
And then I have read about alot of users that has had problems with the WidComm stack, and say that the M$ BT stack can do the same in the latest update, but I cant find the settings, it all looks the same.
So if any one can help a XdaII (or PDA) newbee, with an install guide and some of your sugestions for the networking, then I would be realy happy.
BTW, if you also know how to set up an audio gateway on the PDA (for my head set) then that wold be great as well. And maby to get the button on the headset to do M$ voice command (if you have it install), then that would be fantastic.

Try downloading bluetooth tools and see if that works for you.
http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html

I did that, but it did not change to much, it only gave me a "call last number" function in the head set, but not any thing with the network

BT and COM
i am having a hard time with it as well, I have win XP pro, and a sitecom USB BT dongle, the drivers for the dongle dont seem to work, it is has if the XP drivers have taken over, all the guides seem to use settings that are not available to the Windows XP BT drivers,
at one point i thought i got it, instead of connecting my XDA to the PC i did it the other way about. This time windows detected and setup some COM ports, although at the moment its at com 13 and 14
(this can be changed by doing to Device manager, selecting the port, properties, advanced, and changing it to whatever you want, it will say the port is in use, but none of the other ports 1-12 are infact in use (although it says they are) not sure if this will generate further problems?
So i think thats the PC side sorted?
now the PDA side, just before i updated PPC2003 i tried this and it didnt work, i then installed those BT tools and it came up with the cool servies page right at the end of setting up a link.
But didn't work, with hindsight i believe it would work if i had connect as i explained above, adding the XDA to the PC.
I then updated PPC2003 useing o2's updater.
setting up a link using the BT settings right after the update did have some extra settings to do with com ports but it still doesnt work and the connect via BT on activesync isnt there.
Then i tried those BT tools everyone is going on about
i get the BT icons on the desktop but thats it, nothing else happens. The cool services screen fails to pop up after setting the link and the connect via BT in sync is also missing.
this might be of no use but at one point useing standard drivers from XP and PPC2003 SP1 i did get a message saying it couldnt connect because it might not be a smart phone or PPC or somthing like that. im totally stuffed with this.
oh it does connect in that i can transfer files TO the XDA but not the other way about.

Hello folks!
This is how I've done it...
1- I installed Widcomm version 1.3.2.7 (on the PC) (BTW I use a Cheap-o-Epox USB dongle)
2- I Downloaded BT Tools (http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html)
3- I established an Activesync connection through Bluetooth (this is done on the PocketPC by using the Activesync/Tools/Connect via 'computername')
4- I configured Widcomm to always trust the incoming MDA2 Bluetooth connection.
5- That's it, works every time... (well actually sometimes works on the second try but works nonetheless)
Good luck!
Rayan

I've also had some success with the Widcomm stack, but I have one problem.
In order for the bluetooth connection to work, I need to log into an account on the XP machine. If someone else then comes along and logs into another account, then my bluetooth connection is dropped. Also, if I don't log into an account, then I can't use bluetooth.
Basically, it seems to be the case that instead of running as a service, the bluetooth stack is running in user accounts. Anyone else got experience with this? Is there a way to configure the installation so that it runs as a service?

Hi Guys,
I have a similar question... is there a release due / tools available to fully utulise the bluetooth stack like the ipaqs for example. Ipaqs can locate and connect to devices as a 'hunter' but the XdaII just seems to be the 'hunted' when it comes to establishing a connection. Is there any way to make my otherwise excellent XdaII a bit more agressive when it comes to seeking out bluetooth connections??? I have already installed the Bluetooth tools v1.01 but this doesn't help the actual 'seeking' connectivity part of things
Can any of you bright sparks out there help ???? If enough people wanted this functionality, what would it cost to develop if it is not available maybe ???
just a thought. Cheers all.
AndyG

Technoas said:
Now I have been looking for 2 days on this forum, and I cant find it anywhere!!
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So I have been surfing around, and I think I need the WidComm BT stack to be able to surf the internet over BT. But how is this done. I have downloadet files, and read alot on this forum, but I cant seem to find any install guide those cab files and other thing to the PDA.
So if any one can help a XdaII (or PDA) newbee, with an install guide and some of your sugestions for the networking, then I would be realy happy.
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I found the answer to how to install the .cab file, just copy it to your device and select it in file manager, it then install's itself.
If I manage to connect my GTek 2020 to my BT AP with this I'll let you know!

Widcomm Phone Edition stack working - get it here!!!

Hi Guys: I have got the Widcomm Phone edition stack working on my unit.
It seems to be fine but I have not fully tested all aspects of the software - so if any little bits don't work, let me know...
You need to install the official widcomm 1-4-1-59 version
Then you can upgrade it using the cab file I have made.
The 1.4.1.59 version file I got from the following topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=57550#57550
thanks go to mamaich for the file.
the upgrade file consistes of the PE edition files and the required registry entries.
Let me know how you all go on with it - but I am not really a hacker so any serious probs I will not be able to fix...
if anyone else can improve on the installation be my guest

any news about which profiles it support that ms or the old one dont support ?

I hope unintall won't mess up my volume as in case of original bluetoothgps.cab

I can't garauntee it works perfectly, so I suggest everyone make a backup of their system before use.

has anyone tested any BT headset with this new stack?

I've got it installed and it all seems to work well exept for the handsfree/headset profile, I have set up my headset ok it is discovered and bonds fine but when I try to connect from the xda2 the connection fails after "waiting for device" for some time. tried with a motorola hs 810 and a neovoice usb, same with both. Anyone got any ideas?

BT headset
I have a 6315 and an XDA 2, I haven't tried the BT Stack on the XDA 2 yet but I found when I bondeded my HBH-30 to my 6315 once it made the connection my BT Headset shut off for some reson. This caused the bonding to fail, but as soon as I turned my headset back on (while it was trying to discover services) it completed the process and worked on my 6315. I'm not sure if this will be the same, but it's worth a shot.
Brandon

Test results
Hi fellows
Here is little bit of my testing of this new BT Stack, which we all awaiting for..
Proc…
1. Installed as per instructions 1.59 without any problem. During installation was prom to override .dll files – agreed to do that. For good or for bad – will see later.
2. Installed .cab file provided by icarusbop (big thanks to him for doing this) without any problem. Screen shots will be attached below.
3. Reset it as requested upon installation and got Widcomm BT working instead of MS BT..
4. Paired it with my BlueTrek G2 within 3 seconds (which took usually 10 sec with MS BT)
5. BT recognized G2 as device with Headset/Hands-Free profiles and asked to use as default… I said yes…
Here comes Cons part ;(
1. Unfortunately even after paring – my I-Mate can not get connected with G2 (see screen shot)
2. As you can see in another screen shot – there is Hands Free menu – it can not be accessed, or can be accessed ONLY while connection is established.
3. AND the last L … So, this new BT is not working now… I decided to go back to MS BT… SURPISE!!! I am getting message that BT HARDWARE IS NOT INSTALL ON THIS UNIT…. L Assumption - .dll files were overwritten (see Proc 1)
Here is my 2 cents in this jorney… I am hoping that described problems can be fixed and we can make it working (without doing hard reset on my device )
Paul

thanks guys! for testing hands-free/headset profile. by now everything seems to work fine with this new stack except for hands-free/headset profile.

New comments to my testing
1. I tried what NeoCole recommended - didn't work for me
2. As soon as new BT is OFF - MS BT is working fine .....uf
LETS FIX THE HEADSET PART PLEASE

I posted this is another thread - but in case someone does not read that thread . . . it is relevant here as well.
If the intent of this is to get voice dialing without touching the device, that is by only pressing a button on the headset to initiate a voice-dial program to make the call, there is no evidence this works with this BT stack either.
I have been reading other forums with people who have the H6315 already (mine is in the mail to me now) and none of them have been able to make this work. Nor is there any mention of this capability in any of the literature and/or documentation for this device. It seems that if this was a feature of this phone, it would be prominently displayed!

Voice Command
Okay.. on my 6315 I press the headset button, it beeps, sound and voice is now transfered to the headset. I do this before I initate voice command. Now all I do is press a button that activates Voice Command on the PPC and walla, I'm speaking and listening through my BT Headset. This is a huge step forward from using the MS Stack, and I feel that since the Phone Edition of the Widcomm is 1.0.0 I'm sure that they'll associate a hardware button with the headset button in future releases. Anyhow.. I think that the functionality of the Widcomm BT Stack is well worth the work. The XDA 2 would be a lot better device if the BT Stack worked 100% of the time and was fully compatibile.

I also have not got it working.
the Hp 6315 is well know to still require a hardware button press (not on the headset) to activate voice command. They can still not do with any nokia or SE phone can do easily.
Surur

VoiceCommand
That would be correct... One press of the HW Button does it all on a Regular phone.
The 6315 has brought it closer to allow you to interact with programs using your BT Headset, but yes you must still activate the programs on your handset before you can use them with your headset.
So.. to sum it up...
1. You can't interact with Voice Command using MS BT Stack on an XDA 2
2. You can interact with Voice Command using Widcomm Stack on 6315, but you have to activate the headset first, then start VoiceCommand on the PPC by using the HW Button.
Hopefully through this thread we'll be able to give the XDA 2 the same functionality as the 6315.
And maybe if Widcomm provides an update to allow the headset to activate a HW button, we'll be to the one step solution.

I do not want my comments to be read as stating that this is not a worthwile endeavor. I simply meant to make sure that someone does not go to the trouble of installing this new stack (particularly those who might be considered novices) with the mistaken impression that by doing so they will have that "one step" voice dialing solution.
This is by all means a worthwile endeavor, but it is merely a step down the road . . . not the final destination.
Y'all are doing good work - keep on blazing that trail!

hm.. I would think that it is more of MS Voice Dial functionality than BT - to recognize signal sent from headset as request for voice dialing.
When MS released first version of Voice Dialing they did not expect new functionality to have BT headset with hands-free profile connected to the device.

paired with my Jabra 250 = ok
connected to my Jabra 250 = failed

No luck with Moto headset
Eveything else seem to be working. No problems with detecting and working with BT access point

rehman said:
I hope unintall won't mess up my volume as in case of original bluetoothgps.cab
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Hi Rehman,
i tried to install and uninstall, for the very first time i didn't have to get a Hard-Reset done. the volume didn't disappear. so i believe trying it wont be a harm, but yet i would recommend to get a full Backup first.

Trying to figure this out
Okay, I looked through the whole registry. I can't find anything out of the ordinary. Only thing I can think of is the sound driver. Does anyone know what DLL that is? I bet it's a different version.
If someone that knows more about which DLL does what. Let's get all the DLL's that could pertain to Sound and Phone and compair the 6315 DLL's with the ones on the XDA2.

Bluetooth Chat with: BuZZone

Hi all I would like to get this application working but it does not look like the test application works on our XDA's?? :-( It is saying somthing about needing the WIDCOMM drivers.... Any idea if there is an esay and safe way to get this utility working?
Hear is the web address of where you can find the application:
http://www.buzzone.net/eng/index.html
Thanks guys

Just install the latest Widcomm PPCPE drivers in "Hacking It"

Thanks for the reply rahjinoh, I will give that a go, I did see somthing about Widcomm drivers but when i looked into that option it seemed very complicated and a number of people where having problems with the XDA II with it would I be correct in saying that?
I'm a little scared to install it if its going to cause me any problems as I use a Bluetooth GPS (with Destinator 3) as well as the O2 Bluetooth headset (The new one, works like a charm)... I use both these bluetooth devices on a daily basis and cant affort them to go down.
Any idea if I will run into any problems if I install this Widcomm driver?
How does it work?
Do I have 2 bluetooth drivers installed then? both MS and Widcomm?
Sorry for all the questions would like to try and find out if it is a simple process or if I could run into problems....
Many thanks!

The Widcomm works with everything EXCEPT headsets.
The GPS would work with Widcomm but not the O2 headset, not yet at least.
Both the stacks will coexists and you can turn on 1 at a time.
I use that stack as well, some people get the "Cannot initialise bluetooth hardware" once in a while, but mine's fine.
I used the Widcomm with Widcomm related software, otherwise, my MS Bluetooth stack is on most of the time.
I use the MS one for my Motorola Headset and Bluetooth GPS, and the Widcomm one for other purposes, like BuzzOne
just remember that you can only enable 1 stack at a time

thanks for the reply rahjinoh
This sounds like a lot of messing around unfortunatly, I wish bluetooth would come up with some starndards and stop stuffing around so much, its going to die in the long run if they don't I recon. I've read that the makers of bluetooth have not stoped any research and devolopment with the technology (Sony/Ericson) this does not seem to be a good step but I don't blame them really as the software side of things is a compleat MESS!!!
Is Microsoft going to be fixing up there drivers? or has the problems been fixed in the Newer Windows 2003 SE Phone Edition? (Which I hope is going to be comming out for our XDA II's some time soon??)...
Cheers!!!

Any more news any one? any ideas what I can do to get my Bluetooth GPS, Head Set and Software Programs to work with ease and no problems?

Still no news??? ANY ONE???

Has any one mannaged to find an easy way to get this program working as yet?

still no news or any ways to get this software working is there? I need a solution that will work with my Bluetooth GPS (and current software, Destinator 3), Bluetooth Headset as well as this program...
Any thoughts any one?

Might want to read this...
http://www.buzzone.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

Thanks for the reply Nighthawk...
I have seen that post before, but what I am worried about is that I've noticed that people on XDA-Forum has posted that you cannot use your Bluetooth Headset if you don't use the MS Stack? Is this correct?
I use a Bluetooth - GPS, Headset and software... Will I have any problems with these?

easiest way to configure internet bluetoothsharing
get widcom drivers from this site
http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=1436
then put all these files in your pocket pc windows main folder
\Windows.
go to file explorer of your pocket pc and extract these thre which you downloaded or run these files from your pocket pc..
now your bluetoth manager is installed. then just go to this site
and learn step by step to configure your pocket pc for intenet connection sharing with your desktop
http://en.pdamobiz.com/en/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32&PN=1
i think its the easiest way to do in min not hours
best regards for all my brothers.

Thanks for the reply maani_ch, great advice, only 1 question... If I install these drivers. Do you know if I can still use my Bluetooth GPS with my Bluetooth Heatset at the same time as I do at the moment???
As well as both of them working of course!
CHEERS!

Good question Guest, thats exactualy what I would like to konw, I'm a little scared to install stuff on my XDA now days as in the past I've learned that sometimes things just stop working after installing some applications and it's hard to find out what it is (as it is normaly combinations of things)... As I use it for work it's hard to afford any down time with my phone...
Any answers to the previous questions as to how it would work with Bluetooth GPS and Bluetooth Head set at the same time?

SSA connection is problem...Can any 1 help with a solution?

I have a quetion! How can I remove the first bluetooth icon that I have?

eFiend said:
I have a quetion! How can I remove the first bluetooth icon that I have?
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HKLM\Services\BTIcon
"Dll"="BTIcon_Dll.dll"
change this in:
"Dll Disabled"="BTIcon_Dll.dll"
(thanks to Cyber_mate)

Do I need a modem Init string when using Orange

Trying to use the XDA2 (and the E200) as a BT modem from the laptop dialling *99# but get fairly frequent link loss errors (or no response at all). Sometimes it does work, however.
Is this another area where the Sony Ericsson Bluetooth stack wins hands down??

I'm pleased you're having some success. I've had none at all.
Could you post your settings etc.?
Thanks.

I dont think the MS BT stack is capable of support a modem.
afaik it 'only' support headset profile and serial port profile (latter as from rom 1.72).
If you want more, maybe the widcomm stack is a solution, but it causes some setbacks too (see the appropiate threads)

I'd be happy to get it to work with USB. Can it? With Orange?

Bluetooth Quick Connect / Favorites Today Plugin and/or Command-line app

I'm a Desktop .Net developer with NO bluetooth experience and only a bit of low-level networking experience so I'm speaking from limited knowledge, but not complete ignorance.
I use my phone as an A2DP source and AVRCP client for quite a few devices (Jabra JX20 Pura, Jabra BT3030, Windows Vista, various BT speaker systems) and Alpine BT300) around my house, garage, car, and on the go. They all work wonderfully (some have better range than others, some better sound), but using any of them presents a couple common issues.
Some devices (like my car), constantly seek out the last paired device until they connect, while most of the other require a connection to be initiated from the phone. The phone doesn't care which is around or has the best signal, just which one successfully connects first.
I'd like an app that could have profiles setup which would let me control certain variables OR at a more basic function (see below):
Bluetooth Profile
Device Priority
Minimum Strength (to be used when more than one device has the same priority)
That would be my ultimate goal, but in the meantime I'd be happy with something as simple as a command line app that could be bound to a key or shortcut which would try to connect to a predefined list of BT MACs for a given profile and stop when the first one connects successfully. Variations on this might allow a connection attempt to a specific device instead of a list. This way I could have StartMenu or Today shortcuts.
The point here is largely to have to avoid nagivigating all the menus needed to initiate an A2DP connection, but I'm sure there are MANY other uses people would find.
If someone could point me in the right direction (I'm researching already of course) to the namespace(s) and or class(es) in .Net 2 or newer which would allow me to enumerate and/or initiate connections, this may be something I could bring to the community (assuming it doesn't already exist, and I have asked MANY times).
I've created a poll also to see what kind of interest is out there for this software and how much support I might receive.

I've been knocking an app up to suit my own personal A2DP needs... and a lot of yours by the look of things ;-) Things it does:
Kinetic scrolling finger friendly list of A2DP devices known to your phone (tap to select then tap again to attempt connection).
Toolbar buttons indicating active A2DP connection status (tap to disconnect active connection).
Bluetooth devices applet shortcut.
Switch bluetooth on (a good few of my devices need the phone to be discoverable so the app forces the phone to be discoverable at all times *blush*).
Switch bluetooth off.
Shortcut to program launcher list (automatically displays this list when you initiate a connection to a selected device... and there's items to display in the list of course).
Command line access (via secondary exe) allowing you to attempt connection (to a named , the last connected or first found device) and disconnect an active A2DP connection. I've only really tested the named device connection but the other 2 modes *should* work
QVGA / VGA and orientation aware.
I've been wanting to work towards getting it up on XDA... but time constraints (and a baby on the way ) have gotten in the way and it's unlikely I'll have the time to do it for a good while. I'd be happy to pass on the code to someone willing to take it further if that's any use. It's written (very quickly!) in VB.net BTW.
It uses a few bits and bobs from other people though:
A2DPToggle's "a2dp.exe" to handle initiating a connection.
Icons from lord only knows where I found them.
The kinetic list code found on here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333124&highlight=klist). IIRC, I used the gingercat updated version and tweaked it to my own needs. There's many a kludge I've put in to the code to get things working quick-smart (D-Pad navigation mainly).
InTheHand 32feet.NET libraries (http://inthehand.com/content/32feet.aspx). These work with MS Bluetooth stack only.
So permission from the respective folks above would be needed before releasing it into the wild I guess.
Here's a screeny

Hey great tool! When I click a device will it auto connect or only open the BT Explorer and will it work with Broadcom BT Stack? Thanks

Oops, meant to say it's been developed for the MS bluetooth stack only. Sorry about that.
When you attempt to connect to a device it first checks the device is reachable and only then attempts to initiate an A2DP connection.

Northernmost said:
I've been knocking an app up to suit my own personal A2DP needs... and a lot of yours by the look of things ;-) Things it does:
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Absolutely. I can get around in VB.Net and C# just fine. If you don't want to publish the code publicly, PM me your email address and I'll invite you to my Sharepoint site (easiest way I know to share files and manage communique), otherwise attach here.
It sounds like you've already covered 99% of what I was looking for, but I'd be more than happy to do what I can to more the idea forward, even taking suggestions from others in this thread.
About the BT stack, I'm running a Vogue with a ROM cooked in PPCKitchen, how do I determine which stack I'm running and can that be changed?

rainabba said:
About the BT stack, I'm running a Vogue with a ROM cooked in PPCKitchen, how do I determine which stack I'm running and can that be changed?
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I've no idea what stack Vogues come with but the MS stack device list looks like the attachment below. If yours looks the same it's the MS one. I guess the Vogue forum should have any info on swapping stacks if it's possible.

Sounds like I found the correct people to answer my question about BT. Is there a way / how can I: enable my Mogul 6800 phone to transmit the sound that would normally go through the speaker to my BT headset in order to listen to streaming audio from the net using Kinoma Play which goes out and picks up all sorts of "radio programs" , i.e. not using a direct URL. I am also not able to listen to audio files from the Audio Recorder through anything except the speaker, even not through a head phone. Do I need to download a program or set up my phone differently. I currently have Titan WM6.1 Build 20755 GPS kitchen from PPC Geeks. Thanks so much for your help.

jminor4326 said:
Sounds like I found the correct people to answer my question about BT. Is there a way / how can I: enable my Mogul 6800 phone to transmit the sound that would normally go through the speaker to my BT headset in order to listen to streaming audio from the net using Kinoma Play which goes out and picks up all sorts of "radio programs" , i.e. not using a direct URL. I am also not able to listen to audio files from the Audio Recorder through anything except the speaker, even not through a head phone. Do I need to download a program or set up my phone differently. I currently have Titan WM6.1 Build 20755 GPS kitchen from PPC Geeks. Thanks so much for your help.
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You need an A2DP capable device (high quality), connected, THEN start your audio program OR use a program called Audio Gateway with a basic Bluetooth headset (low quality audio).

thank you very much.

Northernmost, how about that source code? If you want to pass it along less privately than a post here, PM me and I'll provide a solution (source control, WSS, etc.)

Sent you a PM the other day. Let's go the private way for now.