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Another one bites the dust....

I have a feeling......
Though, this is definitely a much better route to follow then simply capping the data for these fools that want to test how "unlimited" unlimited really is... idiots.
http://www.talkandroid.com/17660-t-...ing-data-usage-over-5gb-beginning-october-16/

Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.

SilverStone641 said:
Even when i tethered extensively during my summer vacation this year, i still came nowhere NEAR 5gb. i think i maxed out at 3gb. 5 seems reasonable. I like that a lot better then a 100mb etc cap.
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For those of us with "premium data", I think 5GB is too low. I'm NOT looking for a "stupid fee" argument, nor am I complaining about it. I think of it like animal farm. We are just more equal than others.

I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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not limited; unrestricted; unconfined
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boundless; infinite; vast
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without any qualification or exception; unconditional

TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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not limited; unrestricted; unconfined
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boundless; infinite; vast
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Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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DirtyShroomz said:
Problem is unlimited cost money and customers abuse.
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If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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JUST2SUAVE said:
If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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DirtyShroomz does not understand this concept at ALL.
He thinks that it "costs money" when yes - it "costs money" but the reality of the situation is corporations want to make more money off the smart phone craze. You don't "buy" kilobytes and megabytes when companies like Sprint have their own ISP backbone. Essentially, it does not cost them anymore to have customers use the supplies they are providing - they just want to charge extra.
You're right - unlimited means unlimited.

Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.

JUST2SUAVE said:
If its unlimited how can it be abused? That's like tell a person at a buffet you have a two plate limit
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This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.

DirtyShroomz said:
This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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The phone companies are the backbone of the internet. Sure they are not the only ones but there is a very good chance they are the ones who are getting paid when you use your local cable companies internet.
Of course they could always argue that bandwidth used by you is bandwidth that is not being sold to someone else, it just depends on which route is more profitable for them.

With these Changes Tmo is going to impose
would it be wrong for me to state we can use this to cancel our contract with a waived fee due to change in contract terms that weight against my current situation?
If so I need to cancel this line asap...

Sure, SOME people may "Abuse" the unlimited cap, but let's think about this....
If there are 100,000 subscribers paying $10 a month extra for the "Unlimited" usage, that's $1,000,000 that Sprint is taking in.
If 5,000 of those people use DOUBLE the 5Gb that Sprint thinks is "acceptable usage", and the other 95,000 use under the 5Gb per month, Sprint is STILL making a HUGE profit.
obviously, these are figurative numbers, as I have no idea how many people have Evo's and Epics being charged the $10 "Premium Fee".

DirtyShroomz said:
This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.

Maybe they should just up the unlimited price to a higher amount. I myself wish I could pay a little bit less since I apparently never use even a gig. So sprint how about making tier plans for this. Thats the entire problem with unlimited usage plans, regular users pay the same amount as the heavy users. Oh well no need to worry people who complain about all these extra $10 for 4G premium still need to realize that as of right now Sprint does have one of the cheapest best overall value for what you are paying no?

DirtyShroomz said:
I can reach over 5gb without any tethering. I just can't wait until other companies put out their prices for 4g so people can stop complaining about the $10, but still cheaper than every other company, charge. Verizon is supposed to be releasing that soon
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I'm with you man, even with the $10 fee my plan is still at least $40 cheaper than anything comparable from AT&T, Verizon, or TMo. Factor in my 23% discount and there's no question.

notasimpleway said:
Maybe Sprint will stay Unlimited and will get more customers from ticked off customers of the other companies. I would like to see Sprint become more embracing of Android and data users. Now if we could get Sprint to unlock Bluetooth transfers to other phones. In the 6 years I've been with them I have not once ever gotten Bluetooth to work with another phone.
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Since when are Bluetooth transfers locked? In fact just yesterday I transferred a file from one EVO to another using bluetooth. I've done it many times between EVOs, between evo and blackberry, and between evo and palm devices with no problems.

JUST2SUAVE said:
You blew my analogy out of proportion, first of all, i never been to a all you can eat buffet and expect to be able to eat unlimited food forever, but i know, i was never told, we are going to cap your plate limit at 7 plates, and if you eat over that you will get thrown out, I paid for my set fee to give me access to the buffet, I expect to eat until im full. Not until the restaurant thinks im full.
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The issue is when people say stuff like this;
TREmp77 said:
Any limit or throttling is BS imo, Unlimited should be unlimited, no matter ones usage. They said unlimited first, they should have never done that.
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not limited; unrestricted; unconfined
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boundless; infinite; vast
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without understanding what the issue is. Here’s the deal - the data is unlimited. As in absolutely and truly unlimited. This has nothing to do with the $10 fee either – the data is unlimited because of the Everything Data plans that the EVO requires. However, that data is only unlimited when you abide by the terms and conditions of the contract that you entered into when you started service. Among other things, this means that you get unlimited data as long as you’re on network, and if tethering, you’re paying the $29.99 fee for the hotspot feature. The term abuse comes into play because of all of the people who rooted to get free thethering, and use that to the extreme, either as their home internet, or just simply to see how much they can actually download in a month (as in 50-100+ GB/month). To go back to your analogy, all you can eat buffets are “all you can eat” as long as you follow the terms of the buffet – meaning you have to eat within the restaurant. They won’t allow you to back your truck up and load it with food from the buffet to take home.
And hey! Welcome back werx! I was wondering when you’d show up and start pointlessly calling people out again.
edit - and as a reminder, nobody has ever indicated that they were taking your unlimited data away. If the rates for unlimited data do change, or they decide to do away with it completely, that would apply to new customers sighning new contracts.

DirtyShroomz said:
This is because companies pay for a certain amount of data/bandwidth a month. It's unlimited for the customer but not for the company. Now, if a company pays for 10 gigs of data and customers are using 20, then the company must come out of pocket for the extra 10. This is the reason all companies are turning to throttled or capped data. This is the reason almost all home companies have already turned to capped data. This is also the reason why your terms and conditions don't say "pure and simple unlimited" but say "unlimited as long as customer stays within reasonable means" - because it costs money and the data was never really unlimited.
Do some research, you will find some very interesting stuff on where the "internet" really comes from and how ISP's are just that, the PROVIDERS but not the "creators"
And believe it or not, you can get kicked out of buffets for eating too many plates. Have you ever been able to take "unlimited" (if any) plates home? If it's unlimited why can't you pay once and eat forever? Because it's not really "unlimited" but rather capped to that one visit to the restaurant.
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Companies want to make more money on overages. As these phones get more advanced you'll see more people using more data.
With faster speeds you're promoting more data traffic.
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Hey guys,
I work for sprint and from what i was told by our Sales Support people there is no cap on the evo or epic for data.

How I Cut My Cellphone Bill In Half !!!

Hey guys, like you, even though we have to manually do alot to get our HD2's in perfect condition. I wanted to hip you all to something that I'm currently taking advantage of, which is saving me major money each month.
Went to Wal-Mart on the lauch date of the infamous HD2, and paid full price for one, thinking that it would end up saving me money in the long run, because I had my own equiptment, therefore, I wasn't under a 2 year aggreement for T-Mobile.
Went to the T-Mobile store to get setup with service. Deciding on getting the T-Mobile unlimited everything plan (voice,sms,data) it ended up costing me around $92 a month (including taxes, fee's, and the $5 discount). So, I began thinking, "this is not the significant discount I was looking for". I asked the salesman what was the benefit of me purchasing this phone outright, he told me that if I got the same package and features, with the phone discount, under contract, it would cost me around $120-$130 a month. I began to seek other options to lower my bill. However, I was hesitant to lower anything, because I did one time, and got fuked over with crazy overage charges! I even thought about switching it over to AT&T, but then realized I'd be loosing out on the high speed data, because of the incompatibilities of the 3G radios between the 2 networks (and who wants edge speed on a smartphone these days!).
Then I did some research and found out about Simple Mobile, this is a Virtual carrier of T-Mobile (like how Virgin is to Verizon, and Boost is to Sprint). Anyway, after a couple of emails, and phone calls, I decided to make the switch. I found a nearby retailer (or u can check them out online) And I never looked back!
I now play EXACTLY $60 a month, for unlimited everything (voice,sms,data). And I was able to port and keep my same number. While this is truly great in of itself. Another great feature is because it's still a subsiary of T-Mobile, I didn't have to software unlock the HD2 at all. It was literally a matter of taking the old Sim card out and putting the new one in. The only thing that I did have to reconfig was the internet settings and the MMS settings to be able to have those 2 things function correctly. (which is very easy, I provided a link to the instructions below)
Instructions on changing internet settings and MMS settings.
http://www.mobile-files.us/showthread.php?2245-HD2-wap-mms-settings-for-SimpMo
The internet is exactly the same, I'm still getting the H icon at the top, with about 4 MB sec speeds. Call quality and range is the same, and so is the txting features. Because it's using the same T-Mobile towers as before. (which T-Mobile is very good, in Costa Mesa, CA )
Don't know about you all, but especially in these times, when money is tight, I have to really buckle down to budget and plan for big ticket items. So when I spend $400+ on a device. I truly want to be able to see more of the savings, in the long run. And thats how I cut my bill in half! They even offer plans at $30 and $40 if you don't want or need unlimited data for your phone, therefore saving your even more money.
This may not help some of you guys out there, but if your like me, and not in a contract, or you may be in a contract, and thinking this may be a better route for you in the long run (make sure you do your math beforehand, and make sure your savings outweigh your ETF from T-Mobile) I just wanted to let you know, that you do have an option out there.
Simple Mobile
http://www.mysimplemobile.com/
Hope it helps!
Eddie

so are you truly getting 3g speed? this sounds promising.

smokeingit said:
so are you truly getting 3g speed? this sounds promising.
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Yes sir, I sure am, it displays the H icon, so I know its the HSDPA speed, which is alittle faster then 3G...however, i'm not sure if its the new HSDPA+ that you might have been hearing lately. I say that because, I dont believe WM have a status icon to show you that (because the technology is so new), so my theory is that, IF the HD2 supports it, AND its is getting the HSDPA+ signal, it'll still show the H icon at the top right of the device. But to answer your question, its DEFINITELY gets the high speed, because its still using the same towers!

I have friend that works in one of those smokes, cell, and gun stores and he has been trying to get me into this program.
It's good to go and legit.
Unfortunately I am only 6 months into my new 2 year contract...had to for my $190 Leo.
dangit.

I believe this has been discussed many times already.....
Simple mobile does not provide unlimited data. I believe it's still capped at 1GB/month. Which is a big no no for people who like to tether and abuse the network.....

calc said:
I believe this has been discussed many times already.....
Simple mobile does not provide unlimited data. I believe it's still capped at 1GB/month. Which is a big no no for people who like to tether and abuse the network.....
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So your saying their "Unlimited Everything Talk, Text & Web" plan, which is labeled as "New", is not actually unlimited?

Paten said:
So your saying their "Unlimited Everything Talk, Text & Web" plan, which is labeled as "New", is not actually unlimited?
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http://consumerist.com/2010/07/simple-mobile-unlimited-data-plan-is-of-course-secretly-limited.html
http://www.prepaidreviews.com/blog/mvno/simple-mobile-limits-unlimited-data-plan-36148/
Both reported and the end of July of this year.... so unless something has changed in 3 months time, NO it is not unlimited.
I was suckered into a new mobile phone plan with a new company called Simple Mobile. They are a T-mobile MVNO (essentially a reseller) claiming to offer UNLIMITED talk, text, and data for $60/mo.
The reality is... Their $60 plan is NOT unlimited. When you hit 1000MB in one month your data service is simply terminated without warning.
They will offer to sell you an additional 100MB for $10. This policy is not stated anywhere on their website. If you call or write and complain, they will simply tell you to go elsewhere and will not provide any refund.
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I mean really............. just think about it for a minute, do you really think T-Mobile is going to allow another company to use their network and infrastructure all the while having them undercut their own prices too.....not to mention the toll and expense of all pushing out all that bandwidth at "unlimited" rates.

calc said:
I believe this has been discussed many times already.....
Simple mobile does not provide unlimited data. I believe it's still capped at 1GB/month. Which is a big no no for people who like to tether and abuse the network.....
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All I can do , is speak from my experience. Since having this service, I KNOW that I used more than 1GB (stream music all day, watch YouTube, use it for general internet browsing, and logging into my Orb media server at home, and streaming TV from my PC). So I would definitely consider myself a above average data user, and have not once, been capped or throttled (trust, I would be *****ing and complaining, with everyone else). I've even checked my usage online to see it and its a little under 2Gigs of data transfer, and everything is ok. I not sure if maybe I have a magic bean, VIP, IMEI on my device (joke-e-joke ) , which is given unlimited data usage, without penalty, or maybe they've modified their contract and upped the data usage cap or something. Again, I can only speak from my personal experiences, within the last 3 months, reguarding my device and service. I don't use my phone for tethering, but I do consider myself a heavy data usage user and not had any problems regarding their quality of service thus far.

Get rid of the unlimited voice and txt, then with this guide I wrote:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19619155#post19619155
You can cut your phone bill even more sharply. I'm paying about ~$20/month right now depending on my voice usage when out and about.

Throttled...

me no likey, especially being a leo user since April that was forced to sign an "unlimited" data plan...
unlimited to 5g...lol.

Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.

hardly spazzing out, just a bit peeved that the answer to lack of towers is to alter the service I am paying for and deserve.
rightly so per my contract...
maybe allow previous contracts expire that were signed before the throttling?
nah, for my $300 phone, and mandatory $30 month plan I deserve to be punished for assuming that the netty netzorz would be "unlimited".
it's not as if I want a red ferrari or one night with Angelina Jolie er nuthin'.
(this phone sees more net tham my p.c. btw)
tmo since 2005.

ashasaur said:
Okay? Seriously it's not that big of a deal, just cut back on data usage.
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actually that's Tmo's answer to the problem instead of erecting more towers and honoring the contract I signed back in April...
"Sir, it's your fault we're too cheap to erect more towers, use less internet plz."
you missed your calling as a tmo phone jockey!

Agreed, we signed for a specific amount on our data plans. Now I hear I'm going to have half the data limit I signed for.
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Your data is still unlimited, you'll just be throttled to a slower speed once you exceed 5gb. So likely no different to the unlimited data you had before 3g was in existence.
I still think TMO's tiering/caping is the most reasonable in the industry. At least they aren't flat out cutting you off or hitting you up to pay for another 2gb bucket like other carriers. Though maybe an option to pay up to lift the cap would be a nice option for heavy users, but that might go down the slippery slope of them going that route and being like ATT rather than the throttling they are doing now
What would actually be nice is if they didnt just flat out throttle you at 5gb but throttle you with bursting ability. that way loading the quick email or light web page will still be snappy, but if you attempt any streaming or large downloads then you get throttled down.
What im curious about that hasn't been covered much is exactly what speed do you get throttled down to? do you still get 3g coverage, just throttled. or does the throttling turn off your ability yo use the 3g signals, leaving you stuck with edge coverage?
I may just have to test it out this billing cycle, and do some very large downloads the last couple days of my billing cycle and try to hit 5gb a couple days before my cycle resets and see just how bad it gets.

Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...

kidrythm said:
Although it blows to be the "victim" of a traditional "bait & switch" by a faceless corporation, I am still 3G but downloading pages at minimum 5+ seconds slower.
Terrible? No.
Unexpected due to expectations of "unlimited" use per my 2 year contract? Yup.
I realize that OTHER providers/carriers have always capped, but um, I am not with other providers/carriers.
Tmo advertised..."UNLIMITED NET USAGE" and as a paying client who signed a contract I expect to get what I originally signed up for.
Imho I'm not demanding anything more than what I signed up for.
What good are contracts with tmo for anyways? A way for them to strongarm you into coping with their ever changing policies, or pay the ETF and have a nice life???
I really despise the "sukz to be you" policy that tmo is acquiring...
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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed

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Yeah i know it sucks as far as being stuck in a contract thinking you were getting one thing and getting something else
But as far as i see legally they are still holding up their end of the contract, you are still completely unlimited in your net access. They never advertised a set kbps or mbps of service they would provide. no internet provider does, unless youre talking about a leased business class line. All your home based broadband connections are advertised as "up to" whatever speed
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I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
yes.

kidrythm said:
I get it, in order to sign contracts with multi~billion dollar corporations, you must first hire a multi~billion dollar attorney to translate the fine print.
When did cellular providers get so powerful anyhow?
Oh yeah, when we decided to "let" them by shrugging off their whittling away at our rights as the clients who pour millions into their pockets.
I say more people should contest the slow and methodical "tweaking" that surely will lead to a big brother net situation.
yes.
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But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?

crisisinthecity said:
But dude, you are still getting unlimited data... Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
Download movies on your computer maybe?
Either way, you can't argue that you aren't getting unlimited data because you in fact are. They aren't cutting off your data once you hit 5GB or charging you more money when you go over 5GB. How is this a breach of contract?
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Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.

kidrythm said:
Not a huge porn fan, but I do download a ****e ton of stuff from xda trying out all of the awesome cabs, and I do dig the youtube vidz of all things science/engineering/technology.
As far as arguing that my "unlimited" data plan is now "limited"to 5GB per month and how that is somehow not a breach of contract, well I am going to have to disagree with you.
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
If they are going to throttle my usage, they can also deduct that lost speed from my monthly bill.
In a nutshell, I am no longer getting what I signed up for 7 months ago but per my contract I am still expected to pay the same amount.
Or fork over mad cheddar to bail from the contract...don't know about you but it was $lightly terrifying for me $igning onto a premium package and a $et up like this for 2 more years.
Business expense, but still My Wife would be peeved to know it cost me $300 to pay another $300 for the ETF.
Money isn't my bestest friend...but dangit, Transformers looked SO good!!
My guess is that Tmo failed to prepare their network properly to meet the needs of the Fvckton of new clients that will rush into the HD7, and this was a hail Mary move. The timing seems about right in line with the upcoming release of the latest wondertoy.
I mean heck, what can anyone do? Complain? Whoopee, plenty of other tmo/xda members will pipe up and put them in their place.
amirite?
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.

crisisinthecity said:
Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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crisisinthecity said:
Do you use 5GB of data each month? How long does it take you to get there. I use my phone a ton and I'm not even kinda close.
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I recieved a text 3 days ago.
I browse the net, and post regularly on quite a few forums. The only thing I can think of that kills it is downloading the themes etc. from forums directly to the phone.
I checked my account and it reads 0 due to that pesky unlimited data plan, and tmo has no way of compiling my total usage into a nice round #. All they see on their system is my entire usage broken down into individual "visits" to the network. Yeah, I almost insisted that she break out the calcuator and get to addin'!
Like I said, they seem a bit out of their element having just launched this new system.
Not one rep could offer anything more than an apology for not having more info when I went through my list of straight forward, and comprehensive inquiries.
What bothers me, among other things is the lack of transparency on their part in the form of the inability to answer simple questions. How can I be sure that they are capping at 5gb, or find out what speed have I been lowered to?
For all I know they are making up the rules as we're plowing down this dark gravel road to unknown parts.
A free speedtest could offer better data than the company I am paying good money to, and that is pretty jacked up.
To answer your question, I have no idea how I hit 5gb 1 week shy of my billing cycle ending.
And with no way to keep tabs, it looks like my Leo will be collecting a bit more dust in the future...I'd hate to blow the cap 2 weeks in.
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airoff8 said:
All I do is use the internet a lot throughout the day looking at news and sports sites and my bill says I use 5GB a week. I don't download anything. Why buy a G2 if you just want to make phone calls?
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Dayum, you got me beat!
This is one competition where I really don't mind being last...
How is your browsing experience with the throttling applied?

kidrythm said:
The speed at which I agreed to pay for i.e. 3G, is slowed to less than DSL when I reach the recently altered terms set by Tmo concerning usage in a billing cycle.
EDIT: I have 0 movies/music on my phone, never have.
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i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone

d0ug said:
i guarantee that the contract you signed in no way states what speed of service they will provide. that would be impossible to tmobile to hold upto, what about all the people paying the same price for their data service as you, but they are stuck in areas still only served by edge or god forbid gprs service?
Yes these service areas still exist, i personally experienced them on a road trip over the summer. 1 bar of gprs service in a cabin in north mississippi is real fun. i guess by your logic tmobile owes me a billing credit because i couldn't get 3g service while on the road for a week
i really cant fathom how you exceed 5g without downloading movies/music on your phone
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If I left an area where service was solid, that would be one thing.
I am in K.C. where the service rivals Sprint's due to their "campus" being located here.
3 1/2 bars since day 1, another "issue" I have...
No movies (not til I pony up for coreplayer), and as far as music, the speaker sux bawls on the Leo and earbuds irritate me.
Just regular usage rivaling that of my average daily p.c. surfing was before I got my htc hd2 set up.

crisisinthecity said:
Plus, 5GB is like pornhub junky status. Ha. How much porn do you need on your phone?
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I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB

rr5678 said:
I'm surprised his privates didn't fall off before he hit 5GB
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wow, thanks for posting.
"privates"?
being 11 years old is a confusing, and yet exciting time!
now run along the adults are talking.

Anyways, after that lasts dumb post. I agree with the others up top, with the data cap instated, you are still getting data, just at a slower rate. No where in your contract does it state that what speeds you will recieve using mobile data, only that your access to mobile data is unlimited.

att throttled

Throttled at 10gb with 9 days left in cycle!! So sad. I got the text yesterday for the warning, and got the text today that I am throttled.
Speedtest confirms it, I usually pull 2-3 mb/s, and now at 159kb/s.
Sucks!!!

you should watch it dude. they throttled me, got about 1megabyte a second where i live, down to about 15kilobytes. They allowed me to do this for 3 months before they finally forced me onto a different plan. I am in the process of fighting for the unlimited back though. just a fair warning though, cut that **** down.

geishroy said:
you should watch it dude. they throttled me, got about 1megabyte a second where i live, down to about 15kilobytes. They allowed me to do this for 3 months before they finally forced me onto a different plan. I am in the process of fighting for the unlimited back though. just a fair warning though, cut that **** down.
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.. u got throttled 3 months in a row, and then they forced you onto a different plan ? are you ****ting me? holy crap.
this is such bull****.. they throttle you if you hit top 5% of users in your area... so eventually they force you to use much less data... then eventually everyone starts using less data, and then the 5% mark gets lower, so then your forced to use even LESSER data, and so on and so on. When is this going to stop? When everyone uses under 2GB?
i mean come on, seriously, WTF.

i mean it's a good measure to prevent people like you or me from using too much data. i mean, they don't expect you to use 10gbs on a mobile device. and I was pulling at least 30gbs monthly on a connection topping out at 1megabyte in my area (600-1000kilobytes per second usually). I don't blame them for throttling at all. I do blame them for thinking that I wasn't using all of that data on the mobile device. My data usage came pretty much from illegal piracy and random netflix and pandora sessions however they still believe it was from tethering so that's why i was knocked on that plan. It's hard to explain how all that data was being used w/o saying that I pirated a bunch of stuff during those months. so yeah, just be careful what you're doing with your phone, they will cut you off if you are consistently bad. If you can't take it, then switch networks to someone who offers inferior networks with unlimited data.

On the other hand. I live in California east bay... Have used1.5 gigs. I have received a warning that I'm nearing5%.. So I feel scammed.
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geishroy said:
i mean it's a good measure to prevent people like you or me from using too much data. i mean, they don't expect you to use 10gbs on a mobile device. and I was pulling at least 30gbs monthly on a connection topping out at 1megabyte in my area (600-1000kilobytes per second usually). I don't blame them for throttling at all. I do blame them for thinking that I wasn't using all of that data on the mobile device. My data usage came pretty much from illegal piracy and random netflix and pandora sessions however they still believe it was from tethering so that's why i was knocked on that plan. It's hard to explain how all that data was being used w/o saying that I pirated a bunch of stuff during those months. so yeah, just be careful what you're doing with your phone, they will cut you off if you are consistently bad. If you can't take it, then switch networks to someone who offers inferior networks with unlimited data.
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Were you downloading movies on your phone? or streaming them from your PC? I use a ton of netflix and I have a few TV series that I stream from my PC.
My problem with being throttled is the way they are doing it.. the top 5% in your area will get throttled.
At first it may sound fair, heck, I live in MA where the top 5% puts me at 10 GB. but like i said.. once everyone starts bringing their data usage down, then the 5% cap is going to get smaller and smaller and smaller, then we'll have people getting throttled for using 1GB a month! You get what Im saying? It's BULL ****.
Eventually I will be switching carriers once the throttle point gets to about 5GB. Which.. given the way things are going, it would be about a year.
tangledskein said:
On the other hand. I live in California east bay... Have used1.5 gigs. I have received a warning that I'm nearing5%.. So I feel scammed.
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See, this is exactly what's wrong with this set-up. You're not even close to the standard 2gb and already getting warnings about throttling.

This was all on my phone. Mostly when I'm put and about I'll start a p2p on my phone and it's usually done by the time I get home. Then I do alot of surfing and video playing on my phone as well. But yeah I can see where they suspect its off a tether its just hard to explain to them its not.
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well damn dude, I was just streaming tons of video from my home media server. I abuse my FiOS connection must like my ATT connection.
I just got off the phone with ATT. Throttling will always be determined by top 5% of users in the country. There is no number that is available to tell us what the top 5% will be, so we're just gonna be at the mercy of what everyone is using.
The rep couldn't tell me if the 5% took account just unlimited users or Tiered data users as well. Either way --- if the top 5% is using only 1gb, we are S.O.L.
I refuse to pay $60 for 5gb of tiered data, highway robbery.
I will continue to stream music as much as I can in an effort to raise the 5% cap for other users. otherwise, we're gonna get throttled at 1.5gb.

5% of data users

i got a text today that im att top 5% data user so they slowed down my data speed to like 3g wtf is this legal
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I have been throttled for the last 2 weeks now. I think its a bunch of BS and now most of my apps barely work now cuz my speeds are so low. I tried to contact a class action law firm and it wouldn't even send cuz my speeds are so low at times. I'll try again today but I personally don't think its legal
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Fwiw, i was throttled 3 weeks into my billing period. My usage was 1.7 gigabytes (remember, over the first3 weeks of the billing cycle) at that point.
My normal down speeds range 1.5-4mbps. Now, I am throttled down to 150kbps.
Like the last poster, lots of apps are unusable and essentially has left me without data for most uses besides basic weboage viewing. This has happened the last 3 months and I have reduced my usage in fear of this the last 2. I think its BS that Im being throttled for 1.7 gigabytes of use 3/4s of the way through my billing period and I expect to just keep getting throttled every month til I disconnect att.
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1.7 gig, that's crazy
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Before you go calling in the calvalry, I recommend reading your terms of service.. Not the ones that GayT&T gave you when you signed up, but the ones that currently apply. They always put a clause in there stating they can change the rules and whatnot you agree on, so get the latest. THEN.. have a law-savvy individual give it a once-over. These companies change their terms in order to "improve services" for everyone. This means that they may want to throttle your bandwidth in order to provide more to others while they enhance their network coverage. Basically, their network is flooded and overwhelmed with traffic and they cant keep up.. However, in my opinion, they have way more money than us and can make these upgrades as needed. Stating they cannot is basically saying "we want more money and dont care till we lose customers". I have ran into this rut a few times with cellular providers, and I honestly see no way to easily deal with it besides getting service with no contract. Providers dislike this, but it opens new means to reasonable service over time as masses change service. And as far as a lawsuit, if you find the nugget of gold to get you to win, screw a class-action lawsuit. Do it yourself with a lawyer, because it's a huge gamble either way, but the payoff will be significantly more doing it solo... Or, you can go with a class-action suit and get 10 bucks out of it. At least your point would get across..

I was also in the to 5% the last two months and am throttled. There is a thread about this in every att phone forum on xda. Total bull**** is what it is.
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wow,
Must be with the 2gig users and up, because me and my wife are on the 200MB plan, and each month i come very close, to it, like 189mb give or take each month, all i get is a txt saying your close to your limit. but i never get throttled.
must be since 200MB isnt crap. for me, thats like 2 web pages lol.
I did go over once, by like 1 MB and i got charged another $15.00 , as*holes. but i am not paying an extra $$$ for the 2 gigs, when most of the time, there are wifis all over so. data is getting cheaper and cheaper, and so far sprint is the truly unlimited. But there service sux. so im sticking with att. but everyone will go to unlimited. I dont mind unlimited with throttling a little but down to only 150-250kbs, is crap. If im not using my data, and im not in a wifi area, i just turn the data part off. Im not a huge facebook fan, and I only update apps etc, when im on a wifi. so. but there are alot of people out there that update there freakbook stats every time they take a dump.
The only time u should be getting throttled is if u go over by ALOT. but hey, AT&T is getting alot of money for those who go over. so why do they care.

**** att and they're dirty business practices. Anyone with unlimited data is getting emails about being in the top 5% of data usage and then throttle us to the point where the phone is useless. There response is use wifi, wtf I'm suppose to stay home when i use my phone? I will be joining the class action law suit with many other pissed off customers.
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Here is your Ferrari sir with unlimited gas. You can only drive it 5 miles per hour though.
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im going to sprint f*** this they getting the nexus
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pcrat said:
wow,
Must be with the 2gig users and up, because me and my wife are on the 200MB plan, and each month i come very close, to it, like 189mb give or take each month, all i get is a txt saying your close to your limit. but i never get throttled.
must be since 200MB isnt crap. for me, thats like 2 web pages lol.
I did go over once, by like 1 MB and i got charged another $15.00 , as*holes. but i am not paying an extra $$$ for the 2 gigs, when most of the time, there are wifis all over so. data is getting cheaper and cheaper, and so far sprint is the truly unlimited. But there service sux. so im sticking with att. but everyone will go to unlimited. I dont mind unlimited with throttling a little but down to only 150-250kbs, is crap. If im not using my data, and im not in a wifi area, i just turn the data part off. Im not a huge facebook fan, and I only update apps etc, when im on a wifi. so. but there are alot of people out there that update there freakbook stats every time they take a dump.
The only time u should be getting throttled is if u go over by ALOT. but hey, AT&T is getting alot of money for those who go over. so why do they care.
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I'm pretty sure Throttling is only for unlimited users. If you go over your 200 MB they'll happily charge you the overage and keep serving more.
As an aside, if you're on the 200 MB plan you can go online and change your data plan for the billing period when you go over and backdate it to the beginning of the month. then change it after the billing cycle is up.

upNsmokeAllDay said:
Here is your Ferrari sir with unlimited gas. You can only drive it 5 miles per hour though.
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A better ananlogy would be, "you can drive it as fast as you want for the first 5 miles."
I don't see a class-action suit being successful here. The contract is for unlimited data, not for unlimited data at maximum speed. If AT&T can show that a small percentage of users are using an extraordinarily high percentage of overall bandwidth, throttling may be seen as a legitimate answer to improve overall network performance.
Although, a case like this would never make it to trial. AT&T would settle and anybody who was throttled will likely get a couple dollars. AT&T would continue to throttle.

pcrat said:
wow,
Must be with the 2gig users and up, because me and my wife are on the 200MB plan, and each month i come very close, to it, like 189mb give or take each month, all i get is a txt saying your close to your limit. but i never get throttled.
must be since 200MB isnt crap. for me, thats like 2 web pages lol.
I did go over once, by like 1 MB and i got charged another $15.00 , as*holes. but i am not paying an extra $$$ for the 2 gigs, when most of the time, there are wifis all over so. data is getting cheaper and cheaper, and so far sprint is the truly unlimited. But there service sux. so im sticking with att. but everyone will go to unlimited. I dont mind unlimited with throttling a little but down to only 150-250kbs, is crap. If im not using my data, and im not in a wifi area, i just turn the data part off. Im not a huge facebook fan, and I only update apps etc, when im on a wifi. so. but there are alot of people out there that update there freakbook stats every time they take a dump.
The only time u should be getting throttled is if u go over by ALOT. but hey, AT&T is getting alot of money for those who go over. so why do they care.
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JuanDaDon86 said:
im going to sprint f*** this they getting the nexus
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Sprint has the WORST coverage of all of the carriers (I tried them ALL last year), at the very least in my area they are the worst. Also, dont buy into there lies about not throttling, SPRINT THROTTLES there is no doubt about that. Also Sprint advertises a good price, but its also a lie, they charge an extra $10 that they don't mention just because. There unlimited plan costs $100+ (regardless of what they advertise, when you get the bill you will see I assure you, I have been there) and on Att I pay slightly less than $100 for much better service. I am not always happy with Att, in fact most of the time I am unhappy with them, but I'm definitely not going to take a step back to Sprint, a more expensive service with less coverage. At least when Att lies they use some inventive techniques like "The Atrix is capable of HSPA", thats not a lie, but it seams unethical. When Sprint lies they just flat out lie. They lie about their prices. They lie about throttling. The CEO goes on thier commercials and straight up lies to the whole country saying they don't throttle, then tells Forbes the truth. Hopefully you hear my warning and avoid Sprint like the plague, but if you choose to do business with them you will see for yourself soon enough.
mandrsn1 said:
A better ananlogy would be, "you can drive it as fast as you want for the first 5 miles."
I don't see a class-action suit being successful here. The contract is for unlimited data, not for unlimited data at maximum speed. If AT&T can show that a small percentage of users are using an extraordinarily high percentage of overall bandwidth, throttling may be seen as a legitimate answer to improve overall network performance.
Although, a case like this would never make it to trial. AT&T would settle and anybody who was throttled will likely get a couple dollars. AT&T would continue to throttle.
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Agreed.

stewartsoda said:
I'm pretty sure Throttling is only for unlimited users. If you go over your 200 MB they'll happily charge you the overage and keep serving more.
As an aside, if you're on the 200 MB plan you can go online and change your data plan for the billing period when you go over and backdate it to the beginning of the month. then change it after the billing cycle is up.
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I agree they are only throttling the unlimited users. I had that problem till I switched plans (actually they forced the switch, but that is another long thread in itself). Once I got to a metered plan, they stopped throttling, and were more than happy to charge for data overages.
ATT still thinks that customer service is to give you as little as possible based on their outdated infastructure instead of updating\modernizing and providing the customer what they want. They still can't figure whether to update their existing equipment for 3g, or go with LTE, so they are trying to do both. Two years now they been touting 3g and still have about the slowest data speeds, nowhere near what the 3g is supposed to be.
If we as individuals had the power to sue them, they would be more inclined to attempt to meet customer demands and stop the false advertising. Thank congress for taking away the right to sue.

So they offer a 2GB plan and a 4GB plan, and then they turn around and try and claim that someone using less than 2GB is among the top 5%!?
I call BS on that and that could be the only hope for a class action suit; make at&t prove the data usage they claim. With netflix and youtube and all sorts of streaming services there is no way that 1.7GB puts you in the top 5%.
By the way, I'm at 1.8GB about halfway through my billing period on normal usage for me and I have never been throttled yet.

martinisadork said:
By the way, I'm at 1.8GB about halfway through my billing period on normal usage for me and I have never been throttled yet.
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It's top 5% in your market. I feel sorry for those in retirement communities.

thats what really gets me going about some of these carriers, i'm on a unlimited plan with verizon but am careful not to overdo it, keep hearing cases of people getting throttled etc...its seems to me unlimted should never be limited, perhaps we need to hand them a dictionary

rquinn19 said:
It's top 5% in your market. I feel sorry for those in retirement communities.
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what happens if you travel alot?

gammite said:
what happens if you travel alot?
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I'm assuming it's still your home market and I'm guessing that has something to do with the FCC and how they are getting away with it. There's a lot of rules that pertain to your market. I read a little about it when trying to port two lines over that were from different markets. Couldn't happen, was only able to keep one of the numbers.

I had the same problem a few months back.
Speculation from a lower division rep is that they're trying to push everyone who has the unlimited data to tier plans because as far as I know, a lot of users with unlimited who have gotten the top 5% warning in the past are getting capped around 2GB
I spoke with an upper division rep and this is what they said, and this is not word for word:
If you get flagged once as a top 5% user, you will stay flagged indefinitely. This means that whenever you reach the top 5% (I asked, not specified as to how that works considering every one has a different billing cycle and top 5% of which users, unlimited or every one, or every one that is flagged), you will get reduced speeds.
For those with unlimited who have never been flagged and reach past 2GB will not be flagged unless they deem you a serious data user.
How they define top 5% is not specific, but is based on their "research".
Now you're thinking if less and less people want to get capped, they'll use less data, and therefore the top data usage number will change, that sounds exactly like what they're trying to do. I asked about that, but she said she has no idea about how they actually do the capping except once you're flagged, you're flagged, especially since you're getting capped around 2GB.
Just letting you guys know the facts I got from the CSR and their supervisor.