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Sense - what the heck is it?

I see it and it looks like some sort of UI mod for Manila. anyone have ideas? is this HTC or 3rd party/dev add-on?
thanks!!!

sense = manila
and plz. search next time you are a member!

Sense - what the heck is it?
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To be honest, I'm not quite clear either, even after searching, and I've spent many, many hours in this forum. It would be nice to have a clear definition of Manila vs TF3D vs Sense, because all three seem to be used interchangeably in the forum.
I wait to be flamed, but isn't Sense just "tarted up" TouchFlo3D with a new snappier name that makes marketing easier? I imagine "Manila" was the original name (an acronym?) for HTC's (at the time) new interface to overlay the WM interface. So, Manila would mean both TF3D and Sense?

Pete_S said:
It would be nice to have a clear definition of Manila vs TF3D vs Sense, because all three seem to be used interchangeably in the forum.
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There is something to be said about having a general dictionary or list of product names on the forum. There are many names that I don't know and it can take ages to find what they are.

For starters I DID search - plz don't assume something
I do agree that a dictionary of terms would be great.

A breakdown of the convention
TouchFLO: The UI modification designed by HTC.
Manila: Version 2.0 / 2.1 of the TouchFLO UI
Sense: Version 2.5 of the TouchFLO UI
Think of it as codenames, very much like internal build names for the devices.
Touch Diamond 2 = Topaz, for instance, in the same way as TouchFLO 2.1 = Manila and TouchFLO 2.5 = Sense.

DeathJester said:
TouchFLO 2.1 = Manila and TouchFLO 2.5 = Sense.
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I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)

Mike Austin said:
I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)
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UAuuuu YOU have TouchFLO 3.0 or TouchFLO3D ? Or you are from the future and made some fun with us?
The last what I see here it's 2.6 I think...not sure...
You can share with us?

Mike Austin said:
I have TouchFLO 3.0. What is the code name for that (and don't say 'nonsense'!)
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would be so kind and post some screen-shots/photos?
br,
Chris

cyron_at said:
would be so kind and post some screen-shots/photos?
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I don't know how to do a screen dump, so I just took a photo:

It's something wrong build 1913.xxxx and the last it's 1920.xxxx and it's 2.5

pauln said:
It's something wrong build 1913.xxxx and the last it's 1920.xxxx and it's 2.5
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Oh dear! I would not want to upset anyone still busily upgrading to the latest start-of-the-art TouchFLO 2.n by having TouchFLO 3.n
This is the standard TouchFLO for T-Mobile written by HTC. Maybe they started new numbering for T-Mobile? Does the build number you quote relate to all TouchFLO versions or just the TouchFLO 2.n versions?

Manila 2.1 is now called HTC Sense in the new 6.5 upgrade ROMs.

Sense is (AFAIK) the "My Location" bit of Manila that allows you to display the weather for my location on the today screen, it's also the code name for the HTC Hero interface that first demostrated weather on the Today screen.
The first Manila 2.1 didn't have sense, but then it was added so it's manila 2.1+Sense, manila 2.5 has always had it.
Dave

Right, I hope everyone's clear on that now
So, extracting from the various posts:
1. TouchFLO was the first HTC interface add-on to WM.
2. Manila was the second HTC interface. It became known popularly as TouchFlo3D or TF3D for short.
3. Sense is an update for Manila which includes "location awareness". It has also replaced TF3D as the popular name for Manila since v2.5
So, Manila is still Manila, but it's known popularly as Sense now rather than TF3D?
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The first Manila 2.1 didn't have sense
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Hee Hee, that's nonsense then ...
Sorry, Dave, feel free to ban me for life for that dreadful joke

Manila - Finger Friendly Graphic User Interface - this is platform
Touch Flo - The Interface Plug-in for visualization of Manila platform
Sense - the same as Touch Flo but new release

So this is good, in this single thread I am able to get a better understanding of each of the versions of UI.
there also OS versions and I assume that TF3D, Manila, and Sense are bound to min versions?
Microsoft has released the following over the last 18 months:
WM 6.1 - mostly found on non-touch devices but I understand has Touch support
WM 6.5 (Windows Phone branded lunch) - fully Touch aware albeit mostly still has the small buttons like "OK" or "X" or "CLOSE" these are not fingure friendly although the UI does fully support Touch devices.
WM 6.5.1 - NOT RELEASED. this is the name MS us using for an Interim release (between 6.5 and 7.0) this release will fix many bugs and update the UI to with the "Fat Finger" tabs instead of the little "were is my stylus!" buttons. there are a few ROMs out there that have these features and they dramatically improve the usability (IMHO). I am running build 32502.x1 (Shadowline - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=526618&highlight=23502) and also Optimal Champious (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=573896&highlight=23502). the first has Sense, the second does not (no Manila/Sense).
WM 7.0 - NOT RELEASED. According to my Microsoft contacts will be a complete consumer friendly UI. I suspect this is going to be positioned as the optimal iPhone competitor along with a slew of new devices. My thought is the LEO (albeit big) with WM 7.0 will rock. There is no date but I would bet this come out in late summer/fall of 2010. think about MS cycles for other consumer projects. you need to hit the holiday season or wait till next year.
IF you are still running the stock WM 6.5 that came with your ATT Pure, I recommened (but caution if you are not comfortable and know the risk of 'bricking' your phone is possible) that you check out the new builds. 23502.X or greater like OC, Shadowline builds have been running on my devices for almost a week and they are much improved over the stock.
I only wish there was an iphone like (for fat fingers) keyboard out there.

Just to add, there are lots of great keyboards out there and I have tried a couple of them. I am thinking the screen size on the Topaz is the reason why vs. the iphone.

htc sense

hi guys
i have upgrade my diamond 2 to 6.5 NLD originel htc rom
but i have not the 3 shortcuts on the hometab
what am i doing wrong
how do i get the shortcuts on the homescreen

fjjfrank said:
hi guys
i have upgrade my diamond 2 to 6.5 NLD originel htc rom
but i have not the 3 shortcuts on the hometab
what am i doing wrong
how do i get the shortcuts on the homescreen
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..in the shipped rom htc sense 2.1 is used! Htc sense does not have the shortcuts @the home screen.
You didn't do anything wrong...
If you want the shortcuts you must flash a cooked rom!

...I was wondering the same..why dont we have the 3 short cuts on home screen with the official WM 6.5 for TD2 ??
and why using a cooked rom ? because it seems like the new HD2 will have the 3 shortcuts with original rom, hmmm maybe we will have somethin like an update on the offiial htc website for td2 ?

Shortcuts are in sense 2.5 and this is in some cooked roms only. Sense 2.5 was extracted by chefs from Leo rom I think. In stock wm6.5 there is manila (or sense) 2.1.

prdic said:
Shortcuts are in sense 2.5 and this is in some cooked roms only. Sense 2.5 was extracted by chefs from Leo rom I think. In stock wm6.5 there is manila (or sense) 2.1.
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As has been said, Manila 2.5 (with the icons) was developed with for the next generation of phones in mind. Phones like the HD2 have better hardware to handle the extra funcionality. Remember there is a trade off between function and performance. If you have to have 2.5 then a custom ROM is your only option and to be fair most of them run better than we should expect considering that a TD2 doesn't have the power of a HD2. That's down to the skill of the people developing the custom ROMs, but for me running a Sense 2.1 ROM is a good compromise.
And i HATE the look of 2.5 so it's a no-brainer for me
Edit.. Just to add that the official WM6.5 update brings with it an outdated version, albeit 'official' version of Manila 2.1. The 'sense' version of 2.1 is something that again you will only get in a custom ROM. It is the official 2.1 with some updated components from 2.5 added to it. i.e Weather on the hometab clock. Depending on the chef you can find the balance between function and performance that suits you best. I'd personally prefer to have a Program tab (like in the Dutty R0 2.1 'Holy Grail' ROM that i use), than have icons cluttering up my home screen.

Thanks for your clarifications, I was wondering if there would be a possibility to use sense 2.1 but with old white and black old manila icons with the slider instead of the colored one in WM 6.5 ? like having a file cab to change that ? any info or help would be nice, thanks .

shlomo78 said:
Thanks for your clarifications, I was wondering if there would be a possibility to use sense 2.1 but with old white and black old manila icons with the slider instead of the colored one in WM 6.5 ? like having a file cab to change that ? any info or help would be nice, thanks .
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=577603
It's being looked into. Unfortunately it seems that most of the effort is being put into customising Sense 2.5 whereas Sense 2.1 is the ginger step-child which is being largely ignored. For the Sense 2.1 users, which i believe is the better option for the hardware spec of the TD2, we have to take what we are given. There are a variety of cooked ROMS using a 2.1 base that have a varying degree of 'Leo' apps cooked into them. (For instance i've seen some using a 2.5 HTC photo album on a 2.1 ROM)
I've been using MaxTTM to remove top and bottom curtains from the Sense 2.1 homescreen but finding 'components' to add to the app which do more than that is almost impossible for Sense 2.1. Again it seems that everybody is jumping aboard the 2.5 bandwagon. For example, if you are looking for a transparent slider that works with Sense 2.1 you can forget about apps like MaxTTM for now.

radar weather programs?

I am looking for a radar weathe program that will show the local radar image and work off an slide task bar on the home screen so I can move it next to the weather icon...I know about this one :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548023 but cant get it to work correctly, I get weather but no radar and it causes a few other issues like manila errors and causes my weather and stocks to stop updating. So I uninstalled it. Looking for any others that are similar.
ATT TILT 2
Stock ROM
Windows 3.5net
Manila 2.5

I've been using this one for some time, never had any trouble with it.
http://www.gps-weather-radar.com/

babarber said:
ATT TILT 2
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I know this is a bit off-topic, but the Tilt2 stock ROM has Manila 2.1.19183217.0 -- how did you get Manila 2.5 without burning a different ROM? I had thought that to be impossible!

I might be wrong:
OS 5.2.2
ROM: 1.59.502.3
IMEI: 3588
For some reason I thought I read that the IMEI was the manila version...if I am worng how do I figure out what my manila version is?
Sorry 38 and out of my technical knowledge area..my knowledge is in RC airplanes.

babarber said:
how do I figure out what my manila version is?
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If you go to the Settings tab, then scroll to the bottom, to the About line, you'll see the version (it is my understanding that TouchFLO 3D and Manila are the same -- i've seen posts that claim as much, but i've also seen posts that claim they are different).

ok, touchflow is 2.1 ...crap, i dont want to have to reflash my ROM....I like the stock look and would just want to get rid of some of the bloatware (trial crap)

babarber said:
ok, touchflow is 2.1 ...crap, i dont want to have to reflash my ROM....I like the stock look and would just want to get rid of some of the bloatware (trial crap)
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Give CrudScraper a try...it's built just to clean bloatware from the Tilt2

I used it but I still have a few I want to remove like my-cast and wiki mobile in the apps tab.

15 Tabs and Manila 2.1 Sliders

Searching for those strings wont result in any finds, or results in only custom ROM crap. (sigh)
Ok, im trying to find some stuff for Manila 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE. it just doesnt seem to exist... or at least i cant find it.
I want to know what tabs are included with the 15 Tabs mod, and where to get them.
I would like the stock TP1 Neon slider icons, saw a guy on XDA that had them, but cant find the files.

You made me laugh Manilla 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE does NOT excist. Manilla = Sense...
Manilla 2.1 is called sense.
Manilla 2.5 is called sense.

Wow, really? Then your an idiot too! TP1's have Manila 2.0 and WinMo 6.1, TP2 has Manila 2.1 (no Sense) and WinMo 6.1 stock....
SOME versions of 6.1 come with Sense, but not Sprint, and i believe 2.5 Sense comes with WinMo 6.5...

Talon,
Try searching for Manila TF3D v. 2.1
(Which Lenny, is not the same thing as Sense 2.1)

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Wow, really? Then your an idiot too! TP1's have Manila 2.0 and WinMo 6.1, TP2 has Manila 2.1 (no Sense) and WinMo 6.1 stock....
SOME versions of 6.1 come with Sense, but not Sprint, and i believe 2.5 Sense comes with WinMo 6.5...
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dont be so rude dude, htc has renamed manila to sense. so its sense 2.1 and 2.5

Hold ur fire!! This make me a little confused too. So what's real difference between Manila & Sense??

Both posters are correct. TF3D originally was called manilla. HTC Sense is technically the upgraded version of TF3D. Most people simply refer to HTC's GUI as Sense instead of manilla or TF3D.
Since many of the roms here are from HTC hero,hd2 etc etc, they are using the newer Sense GUI.
Original roms, use the manilla GUI, which was been re-marketed also as Sense. So manilla/TF3D was renamed Sense 2.1. Sense 2.5 is the original Sense which was first on the HD2 and HTC Hero.
This will help some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TouchFLO_3D

radon222 said:
Talon,
Try searching for Manila TF3D v. 2.1
(Which Lenny, is not the same thing as Sense 2.1)
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Using any numbers in the search (simple or advanced) gains only an error, which is why i posted. Try searching for '15 tabs' and itll go to the advanced search page with 'No results'...
kitchencop said:
dont be so rude dude, htc has renamed manila to sense. so its sense 2.1 and 2.5
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Well, you remain wrong on that
Mektah said:
Both posters are correct. TF3D originally was called manilla. HTC Sense is technically the upgraded version of TF3D. Most people simply refer to HTC's GUI as Sense instead of manilla or TF3D.
Since many of the roms here are from HTC hero,hd2 etc etc, they are using the newer Sense GUI.
Original roms, use the manilla GUI, which was been re-marketed also as Sense. So manilla/TF3D was renamed Sense 2.1. Sense 2.5 is the original Sense which was first on the HD2 and HTC Hero.
This will help some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TouchFLO_3D
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I disagree a little, there IS a difference between Manila 2.1 and 2.1 w/Sense. Try putting a Sense item on regular 2.1 and watch it break. I tried PPCgeeks.com to sort out the TP2 stuff, got much support, but they didnt do anything about it. When you ask for customized stuff, everyone assumes youre using a cooked version of 6.5 (which has Sense 2.1 or 2.5 depending the ROM/Chef), not 6.1, and then the Manila version gets even more in the way of stuff.
I mean i like my TP2, it works like the TP1 should have, but the TP1 had so much more support for the stock ROM's and 6.1.

Talon Pro said:
Searching for those strings wont result in any finds, or results in only custom ROM crap. (sigh)
Ok, im trying to find some stuff for Manila 2.1 WITHOUT SENSE. it just doesnt seem to exist... or at least i cant find it.
I want to know what tabs are included with the 15 Tabs mod, and where to get them.
I would like the stock TP1 Neon slider icons, saw a guy on XDA that had them, but cant find the files.
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For the neon slider icons, try either or both of the cabs I attached here, they might be what you're thinking of. If not, they uninstall easily.
I've also had trouble finding a bunch of TF3D 2.1 compatible sliders etc, it's clear that the bulk of the interest and efforts here now are sense 2.5-related. I think you might have a little better luck googling (not through XDA) for "TF3D 2.1" than "sense 2.1"...I've found that most of the stuff you're looking for to be tagged that way.
brent372 has put together a website that does a great job of explaining and displaying the differences between TF3D 2.1 and Sense 2.1, and he has a fair amount of customizations for each, particularly sliders/icons...check it out HERE

sirphunkee said:
For the neon slider icons, try either or both of the cabs I attached here, they might be what you're thinking of. If not, they uninstall easily.
I've also had trouble finding a bunch of TF3D 2.1 compatible sliders etc, it's clear that the bulk of the interest and efforts here now are sense 2.5-related. I think you might have a little better luck googling (not through XDA) for "TF3D 2.1" than "sense 2.1"...I've found that most of the stuff you're looking for to be tagged that way.
brent372 has put together a website that does a great job of explaining and displaying the differences between TF3D 2.1 and Sense 2.1, and he has a fair amount of customizations for each, particularly sliders/icons...check it out HERE
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Yea ive seen Brents work, but its all 'skinned' stock icons, or the goofy looking 6.5 icons. Still nice stuff though.
Thanks for your help

Talon Pro, please be kind, especially to folks that are trying to help you. Thanks SirPhunkee for your help here... and everyone else that took a shot at it.

kimtyson said:
Talon Pro, please be kind, especially to folks that are trying to help you. Thanks SirPhunkee for your help here... and everyone else that took a shot at it.
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No problem, it's worth a try anyway
Talon Pro said:
Yea ive seen Brents work, but its all 'skinned' stock icons, or the goofy looking 6.5 icons. Still nice stuff though.
Thanks for your help
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Did either of the neon sliders end up being the one you're looking for?
Since you're running TF3D 2.1, you can easily build your own sliders using HDWalls, and you can use just about any images you want for the icons...the app does a great job of resizing them as needed and building a cab to install the whole slider for you.

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No problem, it's worth a try anyway
Did either of the neon sliders end up being the one you're looking for?
Since you're running TF3D 2.1, you can easily build your own sliders using HDWalls, and you can use just about any images you want for the icons...the app does a great job of resizing them as needed and building a cab to install the whole slider for you.
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Yes it was the one i wanted. Now im looking for a taskbar of the same lol. I didnt know that HDWalls was a program, thought it was just a 'image on all tabs' thing.
Thanks.

How come none of the stock Icon sets i can find, dont have the Navigation icon? The Neon set above has a 'layered' one, meaning it sets it over top the grey icon (off center though).
Oh, and the HDWalls is working nicely, got two icons done so far

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How come none of the stock Icon sets i can find, dont have the Navigation icon? The Neon set above has a 'layered' one, meaning it sets it over top the grey icon (off center though).
Oh, and the HDWalls is working nicely, got two icons done so far
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Navigation Icon? I don't have a 'navigation' tab on my 6.1, so I'm guessing that it's not part of the regular set of tabs and therefore there's not a provision for it in the usual list of manila files for the icons.
If you (or somebody) can just pin down the exact name of the manila file for that specfic tab's icons, you can use HDWalls to create one (for a different tab), and then just rename it to match the odd manila file related to the nav. tab. Let me know if that makes sense...I can do it better than I can describe it lol

I have the Touch Pro2 which still has TF3D 2.1 (non-sense lol).
How do i go about locating it? I know the files are in the Windows folder, but how to view them? Guess ill do some google searching too.

I also want the comm manager tab and the programs tab back, that was on the TP1...

Try CFC GUI and make your icons: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470798
Have never heard of a navigation tab though, but if exists, you'll be able to find it with CFC GUI

PLEASE help me understand...

I am REALLY confused as to how to get and install themes on my new phone. Some problems i have come across so far, with any instructions i have found, are:
Diamond TF3D Config DOES NOT work on my phone
I CANNOT untick TouchFlo3D as it DOES NOT appear in the items list of the today settings.
Can anyone shed some light on how you theme the phone. What can i be doing wrong?

billybag said:
I am REALLY confused as to how to get and install themes on my new phone. Some problems i have come across so far, with any instructions i have found, are:
Diamond TF3D Config DOES NOT work on my phone
I CANNOT untick TouchFlo3D as it DOES NOT appear in the items list of the today settings.
Can anyone shed some light on how you theme the phone. What can i be doing wrong?
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First you have to know what version of manila you're using. Are you using stock rom?

sounds like he doesnt have touchflo at all....
update rom, maybe then try...

It goes by different names... see if you have something called HTC Sense in your home items. Or Manilla
How are you trying to install the theme's? Are you talking about a theme for the menu bars (top and bottom) or are you talking about a theme for HTC Sense (Aka Touch flo 3d)
Each should basically install via a cab which is an install program. If its a standard windows mobile theme which will just change the background the bars then you just have to move the theme file which you can move over to a folder onto your phone (not SD card) and you should see it in your themes section in home settings.
If you want to switch appearance of HTC Sense/TouchFlo3d/Manilla... whatever you want to call it You can try this too... Theme Switcher] it looks interesting although Ive never tried it
Hope this helps

go to settings>all settigns>home or today>items

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go to settings>all settigns>home or today>items
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it is used to modify windows desktop theme, not manila theme
manila only supports change wallpaper,
if you want modify manila's theme, you need to modify theme code of manila

Sorry for the lag.
Apparently i do not have TouchFlow3d
I have Sense. Not sure why their is one or the other.... I was never asked which i wanted when buying the phone. Even the CUSTOMIZING HOME SCREEN tutorial on tmobile's site assumes you have TF3D.
The whole thing is just confusing.

And the reason i inquire is because i really hate the stock layout/display/theme of my phone but every single editor/mod/customizer i find is for the touchflo3d!!!!!! ESPECIALLY co0kies home screen editor. I really would have liked that. Why do sense users get the shaft?

billybag said:
And the reason i inquire is because i really hate the stock layout/display/theme of my phone but every single editor/mod/customizer i find is for the touchflo3d!!!!!! ESPECIALLY co0kies home screen editor. I really would have liked that. Why do sense users get the shaft?
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ummm... you might wanna look into that alittle bit more. cookies home screen works with sense also, 2.1 or 2.5.
TF3D= pretty much the just wm6.1 and what i call a "test" for sense
2.1= pretty much wm6.5 and like TF3d but with graphic improvements and stuff.
2.5= ment for the HD2 but since were cool we ripped it, but pretty much same as 2.1 but just an updated version pretty much
if i may suggest a ROM for you it would be this... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569507
just scroll down to the 2nd post and look for "- valkyrie.ftp v6.7.21904-TR2.5 28th MAY wm6.5 without extra tabbs" it has cookie cooked it it
that would more than likely fit you since its a basic version and has good things preloaded with it. but if you want more than just that then go for this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773
just look for the download button with sense 2.5 and that has the cookie mod already cooked in it as well
just make sure to hardSPL your rhodium before you do any of this. for any more info just look in the ROM development thread and look for things in there.
with that said im done for today and im going to sleep

billybag said:
Sorry for the lag.
Apparently i do not have TouchFlow3d
I have Sense. Not sure why their is one or the other.... I was never asked which i wanted when buying the phone. Even the CUSTOMIZING HOME SCREEN tutorial on tmobile's site assumes you have TF3D.
The whole thing is just confusing.
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Like I said.. Sense is touchflo3D for all intensive purposes... most of the editors you see WILL work with sense. Sense is the newer name for Touchflo3d.
Sense comes in different varients... 2.1 and 2.5... you likely have one of those. I can't say for sure but I thought that cookies home tab only worked with 2.5 which is a significant upgrade. If it does work with Sense 2.1 then odds are you are good either way.
Do some more reading and you'll find out everything you need.

Aaron McCarthy said:
Like I said.. Sense is touchflo3D for all intensive purposes... most of the editors you see WILL work with sense. Sense is the newer name for Touchflo3d.
Sense comes in different varients... 2.1 and 2.5... you likely have one of those. I can't say for sure but I thought that cookies home tab only worked with 2.5 which is a significant upgrade. If it does work with Sense 2.1 then odds are you are good either way.
Do some more reading and you'll find out everything you need.
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It doesn't work with 2.1 I already tried a while ago and ended up having to hard reset my phone, losing everything, because it screwed it up.