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Guys I put the Hero rom on my G1 its awsome, but laggy Im guessing due to G1 constrants, has anyone rooted a Mytouch yet? Any issues I should be aware of?
mytouch has same spec as g1, so it will lag just as much
theres a Magic out there with Hero RAM, thats what we need
I am interested as well where I could find this model
Are you sure? I had the Mytouch for 3 weeks and I was impressed with the speeds of that phone vs my G1, the mytouch also had more internal mem
FenderGuy said:
Are you sure? I had the Mytouch for 3 weeks and I was impressed with the speeds of that phone vs my G1, the mytouch also had more internal mem
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The Mytouch has a stripped down ROM, so it runs fast. The Hero ROM would lag because it is a resource hog, runs on widgets. The Rogers Magic (my phone) has the same specs as the Hero minus the 5mp camera and headphone jack so it runs the Hero ROM the same.
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ClintonH said:
The Mytouch has a stripped down ROM, so it runs fast. The Hero ROM would lag because it is a resource hog, runs on widgets. The Rogers Magic (my phone) has the same specs as the Hero minus the 5mp camera and headphone jack so it runs the Hero ROM the same.
Clinton
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Can you check your cpu speed on that thing? The Magic is suppose to have an MSM 7200 chip that runs at 400MHz, not 528MHz like the Hero or Rogers Dream (MSM 7201a).
But the HTC site says that the 7200 is running at 528MHz.. so unless it's a typo, they must have overclocked the 7200.
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Then of course phonearena says that the htc magic (generic one i guess?) has the 7200a, which runs at 528MHz.. oie..
PsychoKilla666 said:
mytouch has same spec as g1, so it will lag just as much
theres a Magic out there with Hero RAM, thats what we need
I am interested as well where I could find this model
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=220454288966
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Can you check your cpu speed on that thing? The Magic is suppose to have an MSM 7200 chip that runs at 400MHz, not 528MHz like the Hero or Rogers Dream (MSM 7201a).
But the HTC site says that the 7200 is running at 528MHz.. so unless it's a typo, they must have overclocked the 7200.
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Then of course phonearena says that the htc magic (generic one i guess?) has the 7200a, which runs at 528MHz.. oie..
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It runs at 528MHZ, with the latest Hero ROM. It's underclocked from factory, as far as I know. And the Hero Runs 7200A CPU not the 7201a.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=220454288966
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ya I saw that, its a freakin rip off, and hes the only loser on ebay with Rogers and no one on craigslist has it either, sad
slightly better - http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=2596
but add few bucks to that and you can buy a hero .. in white .. eww
Hi guys,
I wanted to know which of these versions is better. 32A has more RAM memory, but 32B has better chipset, with 65nm technology, but same speed.
If I could choose, which one should I get? 32A?
Thanks you!
32A have the 7200A CPU and as far as I know it's a 65nm.
From the wiki:
* PVT32A handsets have 288MB total RAM (192MB usable by OS - same as Hero handsets) and use the Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU.
* PVT32B handsets have 192MB total RAM (96MB usable by OS) and use the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU.
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32A have the 7200A CPU and as far as I know it's a 65nm.
From the wiki:
* PVT32A handsets have 288MB total RAM (192MB usable by OS - same as Hero handsets) and use the Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU.
* PVT32B handsets have 192MB total RAM (96MB usable by OS) and use the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU.
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PVT32A should be based on 90nm architecture and PVT32B on 65nm.
I'm not sure if it makes more difference than the RAM size.
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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I thought they are essentially the same processor but with 65nm technology (which in theory, should consume less power but not sure in this case)?
Speed-wise, is there any differences between the two?
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dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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Or why they reduced RAM size on PVT32B devices... They used newev chipset (yhbae01 is right - same speed but less power consumption, and a bit better performance) but reduced RAM...
Anyways, anyone knows answer to my question? Is PVT32A better than PVT32B, and WHY?
farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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Or why they reduced RAM size on PVT32B devices... They used newev chipset (yhbae01 is right - same speed but less power consumption, and a bit better performance) but reduced RAM...
Anyways, anyone knows answer to my question? Is PVT32A better than PVT32B, and WHY?
You also need to take into account the radio frequencies. As far as I know, the US T-Mobile devices (32B) have less RAM but run on the 1700/2100 MHz 3G frequencies, while the Canadian Rogers devices (32A) have more RAM but run on the 850/1900 MHz 3G frequencies.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Magic#cite_note-HTC_Magic_.28Rogers.29_Specs-0)
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Hi,
i am located in the EU and have the possibility to buy either 32A or 32B which supports my 3G network (only from ebay). i found that 32A-s are really rare and are about 1.4x more expensive than 32B-s. its that +~100Mb RAM so important it is worth to pay for? i am a little bit confused till i have read about the swap to SD possibility, the better processor of 32B etc etc. could someone experienced with magic give me a clear understanding on the 'real' difference of the 2 types (i know all the technical specs).
sry for my english
rm
ratson said:
Hi,
i am located in the EU and have the possibility to buy either 32A or 32B which supports my 3G network (only from ebay). i found that 32A-s are really rare and are about 1.4x more expensive than 32B-s. its that +~100Mb RAM so important it is worth to pay for? i am a little bit confused till i have read about the swap to SD possibility, the better processor of 32B etc etc. could someone experienced with magic give me a clear understanding on the 'real' difference of the 2 types (i know all the technical specs).
rm
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Speed wise I have never heard any discussion of 32A or B being different. Ditto for battery life. The RAM is a the big deal. Lets you run more apps without worrying about swapping. The phone definitely gets slower once it starts swapping apps in and out. If I had the choice I would get the 32A over the B.
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Speed wise I have never heard any discussion of 32A or B being different. Ditto for battery life. The RAM is a the big deal. Lets you run more apps without worrying about swapping. The phone definitely gets slower once it starts swapping apps in and out. If I had the choice I would get the 32A over the B.
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Hi,
thank you for the information. So you think i would feel the lack of RAM on 32B... and what about 32A, will it run out of memory sooner or later, or under normal circumstances will it be enough?
thank you in advance
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Hi,
thank you for the information. So you think i would feel the lack of RAM on 32B... and what about 32A, will it run out of memory sooner or later, or under normal circumstances will it be enough?
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66 apps (assorted games, tools and productivity) and still have 213 Mb available. Apps with really big data requirements (GPS with local maps) tend to have their datasets on the SD card and many apps also use the SD for storage. So I would say you are good for Flash memory space. You could solve this with Apps2SD but most 32A ROM developers s don't see the need/demand.
In terms of running apps, you will notice a slowdown once the RAM gets filled up and swapping becomes an issue. Just install a task manager (liek TasKiller) and kill running apps that you don't need at the time. Once launched, apps continue running until you end them and most apps are designed without a quit/end function so they stay resident in memory.
Oh, C'mon! Doesn't anyone want to field the *real* answer?
If you plan on using a "stock" ROM without the HTC SenseUI, a 32b should be *ok*...
...but if you'd like the option of have SenseUI be lag-free (or more so, anyway) a 32a device is a better option.
Either way, how can you argue *against* the extra RAM?!?!
Here's an example:
I have the option of buy a new PC with either 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM...which one is going to feel "snappier" or more responsive?
Answer: the one with more RAM.
I've used a stock T-Mobile G1 to run SenseUI and it was *painful*. The ROM devs have made an insane amount of progress, and I'm sure that HTC has taken advantage of some of that.
I'm now using an HTC Rogers Magic (32a) on AT&T in the U.S...on which Sense runs *much* more smoothly...but I still prefer the Cyanogen ROMs, as they're more responsive still.
(it's for sale, BTW)
nolsen311 said:
If you plan on using a "stock" ROM without the HTC SenseUI, a 32b should be *ok*...
...but if you'd like the option of have SenseUI be lag-free (or more so, anyway) a 32a device is a better option.
Either way, how can you argue *against* the extra RAM?!?!
Here's an example:
I have the option of buy a new PC with either 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM...which one is going to feel "snappier" or more responsive?
Answer: the one with more RAM.
I've used a stock T-Mobile G1 to run SenseUI and it was *painful*. The ROM devs have made an insane amount of progress, and I'm sure that HTC has taken advantage of some of that.
I'm now using an HTC Rogers Magic (32a) on AT&T in the U.S...on which Sense runs *much* more smoothly...but I still prefer the Cyanogen ROMs, as they're more responsive still.
(it's for sale, BTW)
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Well there is a little more into it than the Rom itself. How many apps and widgets you have running and how much ram consuming is the apps/games you're gonna use. I know that you have have task managers and so on but if i'm a businessman who need and want some apps to be running in the background constantly i would defiantly feel a difference from the 32a and 32b even when running a stock rom without sense UI!
From as far as I have read (hours of googling). both msm7200A and msm7201A are 65nm.
What I have read:
The A is 65nm and non-A is 90nm.
7200 is before the patent issue filed by broadcom and the 7201 has a patent issue workaround.
The workaround has a small performance impact from what I have read.
greets
(p.s. sorry for the bump of this old thread, but I was googling on several overclocks of these cpu's and came across these details as well. So I tought it would be interesting to share ...)
So, I was looking a bit on HTC Desire today and noticed that it shares mainly the same specs as the HD2 does. Its the same CPU, sae resolution, almost same amount of ram etc etc. I was thinking, Android has been ported to WM devices before, so if some skilled programmer were to try, would it be possible?
Just a thought
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=35396819
The new HTC Desire HD is now on HTC's website.
It is HD2 copy but with Android.
Nand on the way(?) when these are in XDA forum users hands.
the hardware is the same? I don't think soo :S
Snapdragon 8255 1gz
768MB of RAM
internal storage 1.5gb
and a battery 1230ma
8mpx
ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh I want one, I want one, I want one! or I'll settle for a nice android port.
really wana get a dump of the Desire HD so i can port it to the HD2, all those new widgets and apps, along with new camera app! easy port to be made
the desire hd is too easy to port like EVO....what I means is: EVO = HTC DESIRE HD
really hard to dump
No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html
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an 4GB internal flash drive]
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4GB... are you sure???
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php
That says 1.5GB...
Nonetheless, 8mpx, faster loading time, more ram, more nand, blah blah blah, still pretty much = HD2 Android.
I urge everyone to wait for the new CPU man. It's RTM Q4/2010.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/08/qualcomm-1-5ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-devices-to-arrive-at-end-o/
The fake HD3 specs could true for some specs like 1Gb Ram Given the new Desire HD got 768mb ram.
Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...
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Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...
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My thoughts too. a fast SD card could will do the trick, besides we'll always be able to use WM at any time.
Until something with a TP2 form factor comes out, I don't think I'm getting a new device. I really miss the keyboard. Resco KB is doing the trick in WM, but it's not like feeling the buttons.
And for God's sake, add some specs. HTC is becoming like Nokia, same hardware in different enclosure every few months.
dang you all . this is android development channel not ur chit chat channel. push this into the android development general thread. why dont noobs understand what and where to put things @@@@
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I got one for testing purposes...
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Did you ever know that you're our hero? and you can fly higher than an Eagle and you are the wind between our legs?
What the deuce!!, just bought my HD2 4 weeks ago and still got my Nexus, Touch HD and Pro2 from last year lying around Curse you HTC, curse you!!!
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hi, can u get roms and post here....
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Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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is it possible for you to post the .apks from the phone. this will help in development .. only if its possible.
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No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html
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using my computer knowledge, all these won't affect porting if they use same component for radio/IO/DSP/wireless/bluetooth/GPS...etc
die shrink usually means pin-to-pin compatibility.
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Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...
richteralan said:
I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...
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but what's the point? is it going to change anything...? all that we need is the rom dump and the rest is up to cooks.
btw, this thread is kinda pointless imho. we all know about release of desire hd and z.
What are your thoughts on this new htc device and the WP7 OS and how does it compare?
Added poll ^
Well, we don't really know, as either none of us, so very very few, have even tested WP7.
Well the HD7 reportedly has less ram than the DesireHD 512MB over 768MB. And Runs of of the same CPU family that the HD does.
So at this stage the DesireHD looks better than the HD7 spec wise but its early days yet.
not 100% sure about specs but HD7 will be available earlier though its announced 1 month later than DesireHD, that's if DesireHD ever make it out of the warehouse...
It seems that the HD7 has a QSD8250 processor (same as the Desire) with adreno 200 GPU.
PS: Sorry for my bad english
nope its an MSM8250 chipset :-D almost identical to the CPU in the Desire HD
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-hd7-is-a-hd2-lookalike-with-windows-phone-7-and-720p-video/
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nope its an MSM8250 chipset :-D almost identical to the CPU in the Desire HD
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actually alex is correct, it uses the old snapdragon found on the desire, nexus one, evo etc. It has the old adreno 200 gpu.
So because of that, and 200 MB less ram, the Desire HD still is HTC's best specced phone so far.
i will wait till january february to see if there will be dual core processors if not i will buy some good htc
A full list of the specs of the WP7 phones at the WP event
Notice they say the HTC parts are MSM chips (second gen snapdragons like in DesireHD) and the others LG ect are the old QSD chips (like the N1, Desire , EVO)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
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i will wait till january february to see if there will be dual core processors if not i will buy some good htc
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Motorola will out their Tegra 2 in Q1 2011, while LG MIGHT roll out by the end of this year.
Im gunna wait untill i se how multi core mobile CPU's preform (battery usage / speed improvement). As i suspect we will have to wait untill the apps and OS are properly optimised for two cores.
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Im gunna wait untill i se how multi core mobile CPU's preform (battery usage / speed improvement). As i suspect we will have to wait untill the apps and OS are properly optimised for two cores.
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Dalvik and most native apps are multi-threaded by design.
True .... so we should see huge improvements :-D but the Desire HD will do me for 12 monthes :-D
Apache14 said:
A full list of the specs of the WP7 phones at the WP event
Notice they say the HTC parts are MSM chips (second gen snapdragons like in DesireHD) and the others LG ect are the old QSD chips (like the N1, Desire , EVO)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
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If Engadget is right on this, then Apache is right too.
The QSD8250 is the first gen chip used in the Nexus One, Desire etc.
The MSM8250 is the 2nd gen chip and has Adreno 205.
The difference between the MSM8250 (HD7 etc) and the MSM8255 (DHD) is that the MSM8250 is a "world phone" chipset whereas the 8255 is solely for GSM use.
It's very confusing - but assuming that Engadget is right, that means that the WP7 phones are as fast as the DHD (though not as much RAM) but are available to use all over the world.
Yes, MSM8250 is GSM/CDMA capable, whereas MSM8255 is GSM only.
No such difference between the two devices. The same 4.3 inch screen (almostly confirmed tft) But DHD is better than hd7 on cpu and gpu.DHD with 8255 cpu and hd7 with 8250cpu (which same as hd2) 756ram>512RAM So i prefer desire hd with android os
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No such difference between the two devices. The same 4.3 inch screen (almostly confirmed tft) But DHD is better than hd7 on cpu and gpu.DHD with 8255 cpu and hd7 with 8250cpu (which same as hd2) 756ram>512RAM So i prefer desire hd with android os
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Did you even read my post? They are the same chips, just the HD7 chip has CDMA capability as well as GSM. Same CPU core, same GPU core. Same speed, same die size.
The only difference between the DHD and the HD7 are the extra 256MB of RAM! (and the OS and case etc.. and camera! (thanks wu5262!))
DHD seems to have more metal parts in its casing.
Either way I guess we'll be seeing a lot of ports between these devices
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Did you even read my post? They are the same chips, just the HD7 chip has CDMA capability as well as GSM. Same CPU core, same GPU core. Same speed, same die size.
The only difference between the DHD and the HD7 are the extra 256MB of RAM! (and the OS and case etc)
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The DHD has better camera too
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DHD seems to have more metal parts in its casing.
Either way I guess we'll be seeing a lot of ports between these devices
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Why on earth would you want to put WP7 on an Android device.
However, I hope someone here can bring WP7 to the HD2. Now that WOULD be amazing!