Hi guys,
I wanted to know which of these versions is better. 32A has more RAM memory, but 32B has better chipset, with 65nm technology, but same speed.
If I could choose, which one should I get? 32A?
Thanks you!
32A have the 7200A CPU and as far as I know it's a 65nm.
From the wiki:
* PVT32A handsets have 288MB total RAM (192MB usable by OS - same as Hero handsets) and use the Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU.
* PVT32B handsets have 192MB total RAM (96MB usable by OS) and use the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU.
kirkusss said:
32A have the 7200A CPU and as far as I know it's a 65nm.
From the wiki:
* PVT32A handsets have 288MB total RAM (192MB usable by OS - same as Hero handsets) and use the Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU.
* PVT32B handsets have 192MB total RAM (96MB usable by OS) and use the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU.
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PVT32A should be based on 90nm architecture and PVT32B on 65nm.
I'm not sure if it makes more difference than the RAM size.
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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I thought they are essentially the same processor but with 65nm technology (which in theory, should consume less power but not sure in this case)?
Speed-wise, is there any differences between the two?
farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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Or why they reduced RAM size on PVT32B devices... They used newev chipset (yhbae01 is right - same speed but less power consumption, and a bit better performance) but reduced RAM...
Anyways, anyone knows answer to my question? Is PVT32A better than PVT32B, and WHY?
farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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Or why they reduced RAM size on PVT32B devices... They used newev chipset (yhbae01 is right - same speed but less power consumption, and a bit better performance) but reduced RAM...
Anyways, anyone knows answer to my question? Is PVT32A better than PVT32B, and WHY?
You also need to take into account the radio frequencies. As far as I know, the US T-Mobile devices (32B) have less RAM but run on the 1700/2100 MHz 3G frequencies, while the Canadian Rogers devices (32A) have more RAM but run on the 850/1900 MHz 3G frequencies.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Magic#cite_note-HTC_Magic_.28Rogers.29_Specs-0)
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Hi,
i am located in the EU and have the possibility to buy either 32A or 32B which supports my 3G network (only from ebay). i found that 32A-s are really rare and are about 1.4x more expensive than 32B-s. its that +~100Mb RAM so important it is worth to pay for? i am a little bit confused till i have read about the swap to SD possibility, the better processor of 32B etc etc. could someone experienced with magic give me a clear understanding on the 'real' difference of the 2 types (i know all the technical specs).
sry for my english
rm
ratson said:
Hi,
i am located in the EU and have the possibility to buy either 32A or 32B which supports my 3G network (only from ebay). i found that 32A-s are really rare and are about 1.4x more expensive than 32B-s. its that +~100Mb RAM so important it is worth to pay for? i am a little bit confused till i have read about the swap to SD possibility, the better processor of 32B etc etc. could someone experienced with magic give me a clear understanding on the 'real' difference of the 2 types (i know all the technical specs).
rm
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Speed wise I have never heard any discussion of 32A or B being different. Ditto for battery life. The RAM is a the big deal. Lets you run more apps without worrying about swapping. The phone definitely gets slower once it starts swapping apps in and out. If I had the choice I would get the 32A over the B.
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Speed wise I have never heard any discussion of 32A or B being different. Ditto for battery life. The RAM is a the big deal. Lets you run more apps without worrying about swapping. The phone definitely gets slower once it starts swapping apps in and out. If I had the choice I would get the 32A over the B.
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Hi,
thank you for the information. So you think i would feel the lack of RAM on 32B... and what about 32A, will it run out of memory sooner or later, or under normal circumstances will it be enough?
thank you in advance
ratson said:
Hi,
thank you for the information. So you think i would feel the lack of RAM on 32B... and what about 32A, will it run out of memory sooner or later, or under normal circumstances will it be enough?
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66 apps (assorted games, tools and productivity) and still have 213 Mb available. Apps with really big data requirements (GPS with local maps) tend to have their datasets on the SD card and many apps also use the SD for storage. So I would say you are good for Flash memory space. You could solve this with Apps2SD but most 32A ROM developers s don't see the need/demand.
In terms of running apps, you will notice a slowdown once the RAM gets filled up and swapping becomes an issue. Just install a task manager (liek TasKiller) and kill running apps that you don't need at the time. Once launched, apps continue running until you end them and most apps are designed without a quit/end function so they stay resident in memory.
Oh, C'mon! Doesn't anyone want to field the *real* answer?
If you plan on using a "stock" ROM without the HTC SenseUI, a 32b should be *ok*...
...but if you'd like the option of have SenseUI be lag-free (or more so, anyway) a 32a device is a better option.
Either way, how can you argue *against* the extra RAM?!?!
Here's an example:
I have the option of buy a new PC with either 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM...which one is going to feel "snappier" or more responsive?
Answer: the one with more RAM.
I've used a stock T-Mobile G1 to run SenseUI and it was *painful*. The ROM devs have made an insane amount of progress, and I'm sure that HTC has taken advantage of some of that.
I'm now using an HTC Rogers Magic (32a) on AT&T in the U.S...on which Sense runs *much* more smoothly...but I still prefer the Cyanogen ROMs, as they're more responsive still.
(it's for sale, BTW)
nolsen311 said:
If you plan on using a "stock" ROM without the HTC SenseUI, a 32b should be *ok*...
...but if you'd like the option of have SenseUI be lag-free (or more so, anyway) a 32a device is a better option.
Either way, how can you argue *against* the extra RAM?!?!
Here's an example:
I have the option of buy a new PC with either 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM...which one is going to feel "snappier" or more responsive?
Answer: the one with more RAM.
I've used a stock T-Mobile G1 to run SenseUI and it was *painful*. The ROM devs have made an insane amount of progress, and I'm sure that HTC has taken advantage of some of that.
I'm now using an HTC Rogers Magic (32a) on AT&T in the U.S...on which Sense runs *much* more smoothly...but I still prefer the Cyanogen ROMs, as they're more responsive still.
(it's for sale, BTW)
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Well there is a little more into it than the Rom itself. How many apps and widgets you have running and how much ram consuming is the apps/games you're gonna use. I know that you have have task managers and so on but if i'm a businessman who need and want some apps to be running in the background constantly i would defiantly feel a difference from the 32a and 32b even when running a stock rom without sense UI!
From as far as I have read (hours of googling). both msm7200A and msm7201A are 65nm.
What I have read:
The A is 65nm and non-A is 90nm.
7200 is before the patent issue filed by broadcom and the 7201 has a patent issue workaround.
The workaround has a small performance impact from what I have read.
greets
(p.s. sorry for the bump of this old thread, but I was googling on several overclocks of these cpu's and came across these details as well. So I tought it would be interesting to share ...)
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do you know how windows vista can use external memory and make it into additional RAM? well can the G1 be programed to take memory from the SD-Card and turn it into more RAM?? I know that it might not work but its worth a check!
IF your not sure about it check this it will explain ((http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6039379.html))
I believe you're thinking of Swap - check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531988
Also don't forget using your SD card as swap partition will thrash it and could shorten the life of your SD card due to alot of writes.
If you really want to do this look for a program called 'swapper'.
oh ok thanks for the heads up !
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do you know how windows vista can use external memory and make it into additional RAM? well can the G1 be programed to take memory from the SD-Card and turn it into more RAM?? I know that it might not work but its worth a check!
IF your not sure about it check this it will explain ((http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6039379.html))
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This is pretty much the function the swap file provides. There is a differentiation on a desktop because on a desktop files are stored on a hdd, whereas a portable device usually uses flash as its storage and swap.
And just to clarify, Vista readyboost is completely different to RAM or swap partitions.
Flash memory is limited to a certain number of writes, it is a very large number so in normal use you will probably never hit it. Reading however will not affect the lifetime of your flash memory.
Hard drives do not have any such limits.
Readyboost uses an SD/USB memory card/stick as a cache to quickly load frequently used files, this is because it's generally faster to read from flash memory than from the hard disk. Readyboost DOES NOT write very often, this is why it is suitable for use with flash memory.
Swap/Paging/Virtual memory is completely different, it is an area on a disk, a file on windows or a seperate partition on linux, where the operating system can dump some of the data that is in RAM if it runs out of space. If you have low RAM or are using high memory applications this will do alot of reading AND writing, therefore will reduce the lifetime of your flash memory. This is why swap partitions are normally on hard disks.
Hope this helps explain it!
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Hard drives do not have any such limits.
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Sure they do. Just considerably longer. Also, hard disks, for quite a long time now, have been capable of dynamically remapping around worn out sections and come with a decent chunk of unused space that is used for remapping. Hard disks also suffer from gradual demagnetization -- over time, the differing magnetic fields on the platter will interact with each other, causing data loss. You can generally expect a finite life time of any hard disk before large sections of the platter become unusable. I have noticed this particularly to be the case with winvista, which by default likes to catalog and recatalog your disk (they say for fast searching), but the end result is writing and rewriting of the same small portion of the disk, which causes it to wear out VERY quickly, though leaving the balance of the disk perfectly functional.
there might be a way to physically remove (with a soldering iron) the 192MB ram chip, and solder on a 288MB ram chip like those on the newer HTC phones.
I really want more RAM, but I also want a keyboard. and with Android, you can't have both right now
That would be an impressive waste of time and energy but kudos if you could manage that. Best bet would be to buy the Hero when it comes out and get a bluetooth keyboard.
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there might be a way to physically remove (with a soldering iron) the 192MB ram chip, and solder on a 288MB ram chip like those on the newer HTC phones.
I really want more RAM, but I also want a keyboard. and with Android, you can't have both right now
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That would be an impressive waste of time and energy but kudos if you could manage that. Best bet would be to buy the Hero when it comes out and get a bluetooth keyboard.
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Does hero even work on tmob 3g in the US? Looks like its geared for at&t.
I'd say replace the memory chip if you can and report back!
I would definitely try it (I'm an Electrical Engineer, and solder at work all the time)
But i'd rather buy a 288MB chip from somewhere, rather than rip it from a different device.
I don't wanna throw away money.
if someone knows a supplier for those chips let me know and I'll try it and post screenshots
The last 2 smartphones I have owned there has been a discussion on upgrading the memory with huge threads and a few people trying. The end result has always been it is by far cheaper to get a new phone in another year which will have a faster processor, more memory, more storage etc...
Sure it can be done but with how fast technology changes it probably isn't worth it.
So is HTC HERO worth buying for more RAM and speed??
Only if the HTC Magic also is, because they're exactly the same except for the shape of the plastic.
I wouldn't give up the keyboard.
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Only if the HTC Magic also is, because they're exactly the same except for the shape of the plastic.
I wouldn't give up the keyboard.
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the htc magic isn't exactly the same. Some htc magic models (like google ion and tmobile mytouch) only have 192megs of RAM.
My understanding is that apps are limitted to 16mb of ram anyway. The real problem is the data rate of the ram. Some have hinted that a class 6 sd card is just as fast at read/write as the phone's ram. So more ram in theory won't really help if it's still limmited by read/write rate speed. More internal memory would be nice but again won't make the phone any faster, just help with our 'out of room for apps issue'.
Perhaps on the hero motherboard buss speeds themselves are faster but I doubt there's much we could to speed up the dream :/ someone please correct me if I'm wrong tho..
You are probably confusing internal FLASH with RAM. A class 6 uSD card is NOWHERE NEAR the speed of the ram. The RAM is orders of magnitude faster.
sonikamd said:
My understanding is that apps are limitted to 16mb of ram anyway. The real problem is the data rate of the ram. Some have hinted that a class 6 sd card is just as fast at read/write as the phone's ram. So more ram in theory won't really help if it's still limmited by read/write rate speed. More internal memory would be nice but again won't make the phone any faster, just help with our 'out of room for apps issue'.
Perhaps on the hero motherboard buss speeds themselves are faster but I doubt there's much we could to speed up the dream :/ someone please correct me if I'm wrong tho..
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Reminds me of the days when people soldered on extra RAM on the XBOX1 to increase performance when using XBOX Media Center!
I thought there was a technical manual out for the G1 somewhere that listed parts... Not just the service manual which showed you how to open the device for repair. Could be worth running a decent google search for the motherboard and parts and then find a supplier for the RAM if you're game in trying to solder more on.
Thanks to the flexibility of Android as well, I'm pretty sure it would be able to read and make use of the extra RAM too.
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Does hero even work on tmob 3g in the US? Looks like its geared for at&t.
I'd say replace the memory chip if you can and report back!
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Last I heard it was going to Sprint instead possibly. I really hope it doesn't!
NeoBlade said:
Reminds me of the days when people soldered on extra RAM on the XBOX1 to increase performance when using XBOX Media Center!
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...this is exactly what I thought...
With the recent rumors of the g1 not supporting donut due to its lack of memory... this mod is number 1 on my list... I plan to do this soon... any one else?
Guys I put the Hero rom on my G1 its awsome, but laggy Im guessing due to G1 constrants, has anyone rooted a Mytouch yet? Any issues I should be aware of?
mytouch has same spec as g1, so it will lag just as much
theres a Magic out there with Hero RAM, thats what we need
I am interested as well where I could find this model
Are you sure? I had the Mytouch for 3 weeks and I was impressed with the speeds of that phone vs my G1, the mytouch also had more internal mem
FenderGuy said:
Are you sure? I had the Mytouch for 3 weeks and I was impressed with the speeds of that phone vs my G1, the mytouch also had more internal mem
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The Mytouch has a stripped down ROM, so it runs fast. The Hero ROM would lag because it is a resource hog, runs on widgets. The Rogers Magic (my phone) has the same specs as the Hero minus the 5mp camera and headphone jack so it runs the Hero ROM the same.
Clinton
ClintonH said:
The Mytouch has a stripped down ROM, so it runs fast. The Hero ROM would lag because it is a resource hog, runs on widgets. The Rogers Magic (my phone) has the same specs as the Hero minus the 5mp camera and headphone jack so it runs the Hero ROM the same.
Clinton
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Can you check your cpu speed on that thing? The Magic is suppose to have an MSM 7200 chip that runs at 400MHz, not 528MHz like the Hero or Rogers Dream (MSM 7201a).
But the HTC site says that the 7200 is running at 528MHz.. so unless it's a typo, they must have overclocked the 7200.
7200
7201a
Then of course phonearena says that the htc magic (generic one i guess?) has the 7200a, which runs at 528MHz.. oie..
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mytouch has same spec as g1, so it will lag just as much
theres a Magic out there with Hero RAM, thats what we need
I am interested as well where I could find this model
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=220454288966
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Can you check your cpu speed on that thing? The Magic is suppose to have an MSM 7200 chip that runs at 400MHz, not 528MHz like the Hero or Rogers Dream (MSM 7201a).
But the HTC site says that the 7200 is running at 528MHz.. so unless it's a typo, they must have overclocked the 7200.
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Then of course phonearena says that the htc magic (generic one i guess?) has the 7200a, which runs at 528MHz.. oie..
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It runs at 528MHZ, with the latest Hero ROM. It's underclocked from factory, as far as I know. And the Hero Runs 7200A CPU not the 7201a.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=220454288966
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ya I saw that, its a freakin rip off, and hes the only loser on ebay with Rogers and no one on craigslist has it either, sad
slightly better - http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=2596
but add few bucks to that and you can buy a hero .. in white .. eww
From what I've heard on the Dream and magic the radio has around 100 MBs of ram reserved... This is easily twice what I've seen on other phones. Does anyone know what this is about? I've noticed a lot of new android phones that aren't made by htc only have 128 MBs of ram, and I suspect that because their radios eat up less ram they'll actually have a usable amount similar to the dream and 32B magics. Why is htc using up so much memory for this? Could they change this in a update to the radio?
I would like to know...
But maybe some radio chips have their own memory, so no need to share main RAM
rumours say the ram is 512mb, others say 256mb, some say 192mb, tmobile.com doesnt say anything..
does anyone have an answer for me? this is a perfect phone, the htc magic with a flashlight, 3.5mm jack, and a keyboard plus it works with wind mobile in canada..
but i dont want a slow device, 32b magic boards are terribly slow with just 192mb and my 32a magic is pretty decent with 256..if this device has 600mhz processor with 512mb ram then it should be flying..
Thats part of the mystery. The phone supposedly has 512 internal, but a lot of it is used up by the Sense bloat, and by a lot of the TMobile stuff here in the States. Mine out of the box had roughly 150mb internally available , and I am down to about 100mb free with some apps installed.
With that said, this thing is still pretty darn snappy. And when 2.2/Froyo comes along, it will have apps2sd available, which will help increase your internally available memory too. I'd say to go to a store and check it out, you'll be surprised how fast it is.
Reviews are claiming this phone runs faster then all the other android phones out there right now. Even with all the crap you can't uninstall from t-mobile its still very fast. I have yet to experiance any noticable lag.
No regrets here, I am glad my mytouch 3g died
145 m available for programs after hard reset....at least that's what mine had!
Android System Info on mine says 419MB of RAM. In the Slide's owner's manual it says 512MB of RAM.
Re: RAM? the ****?
rumours say the ram is 512mb, others say 256mb, some say 192mb, tmobile.com doesnt say anything..
does anyone have an answer for me? this is a perfect phone, the htc magic with a flashlight, 3.5mm jack, and a keyboard plus it works with wind mobile in canada..
but i dont want a slow device, 32b magic boards are terribly slow with just 192mb and my 32a magic is pretty decent with 256..if this device has 600mhz processor with 512mb ram then it should be flying..
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Well the 145mb is how much internal storage you have for apps. It does have 512 for RAM. If I kill all my apps that are running I would have 250+ of RAM free. And this phone flies. I might kill all apps once a day and the phone stays fast at even 60mb of RAM free. No worries.
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i think the rom is colossal at 300MB + causing us to only have 150 free
im at 0 free no more apps unless i uninstall. and the phone still flys
The phone is snappy.
shadowmike said:
i think the rom is colossal at 300MB + causing us to only have 150 free
im at 0 free no more apps unless i uninstall. and the phone still flys
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Yes i'm outta internal storage as well.need an apps2sd solution or root to remove all this bloatware.
RAM and storage are two completely different things. It has 512MB of both. Mine is showing 418MB of system ram, the rest presumably used for video, and the storage is partitioned into /system, /cache, and /data which is all that is usable for apps.
The new HTC Desire HD is now on HTC's website.
It is HD2 copy but with Android.
Nand on the way(?) when these are in XDA forum users hands.
the hardware is the same? I don't think soo :S
Snapdragon 8255 1gz
768MB of RAM
internal storage 1.5gb
and a battery 1230ma
8mpx
ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh I want one, I want one, I want one! or I'll settle for a nice android port.
really wana get a dump of the Desire HD so i can port it to the HD2, all those new widgets and apps, along with new camera app! easy port to be made
the desire hd is too easy to port like EVO....what I means is: EVO = HTC DESIRE HD
really hard to dump
No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html
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an 4GB internal flash drive]
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4GB... are you sure???
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php
That says 1.5GB...
Nonetheless, 8mpx, faster loading time, more ram, more nand, blah blah blah, still pretty much = HD2 Android.
I urge everyone to wait for the new CPU man. It's RTM Q4/2010.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/08/qualcomm-1-5ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-devices-to-arrive-at-end-o/
The fake HD3 specs could true for some specs like 1Gb Ram Given the new Desire HD got 768mb ram.
Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...
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Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...
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My thoughts too. a fast SD card could will do the trick, besides we'll always be able to use WM at any time.
Until something with a TP2 form factor comes out, I don't think I'm getting a new device. I really miss the keyboard. Resco KB is doing the trick in WM, but it's not like feeling the buttons.
And for God's sake, add some specs. HTC is becoming like Nokia, same hardware in different enclosure every few months.
dang you all . this is android development channel not ur chit chat channel. push this into the android development general thread. why dont noobs understand what and where to put things @@@@
dealer75 said:
I got one for testing purposes...
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Did you ever know that you're our hero? and you can fly higher than an Eagle and you are the wind between our legs?
What the deuce!!, just bought my HD2 4 weeks ago and still got my Nexus, Touch HD and Pro2 from last year lying around Curse you HTC, curse you!!!
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hi, can u get roms and post here....
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dealer75 said:
Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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is it possible for you to post the .apks from the phone. this will help in development .. only if its possible.
TheTeek said:
No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html
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using my computer knowledge, all these won't affect porting if they use same component for radio/IO/DSP/wireless/bluetooth/GPS...etc
die shrink usually means pin-to-pin compatibility.
dealer75 said:
Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...
richteralan said:
I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...
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but what's the point? is it going to change anything...? all that we need is the rom dump and the rest is up to cooks.
btw, this thread is kinda pointless imho. we all know about release of desire hd and z.