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32A vs 32B

Hi guys,
I wanted to know which of these versions is better. 32A has more RAM memory, but 32B has better chipset, with 65nm technology, but same speed.
If I could choose, which one should I get? 32A?
Thanks you!

32A have the 7200A CPU and as far as I know it's a 65nm.
From the wiki:
* PVT32A handsets have 288MB total RAM (192MB usable by OS - same as Hero handsets) and use the Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU.
* PVT32B handsets have 192MB total RAM (96MB usable by OS) and use the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU.

kirkusss said:
32A have the 7200A CPU and as far as I know it's a 65nm.
From the wiki:
* PVT32A handsets have 288MB total RAM (192MB usable by OS - same as Hero handsets) and use the Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU.
* PVT32B handsets have 192MB total RAM (96MB usable by OS) and use the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU.
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PVT32A should be based on 90nm architecture and PVT32B on 65nm.
I'm not sure if it makes more difference than the RAM size.

dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?

farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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I thought they are essentially the same processor but with 65nm technology (which in theory, should consume less power but not sure in this case)?
Speed-wise, is there any differences between the two?

farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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Or why they reduced RAM size on PVT32B devices... They used newev chipset (yhbae01 is right - same speed but less power consumption, and a bit better performance) but reduced RAM...
Anyways, anyone knows answer to my question? Is PVT32A better than PVT32B, and WHY?

farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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Or why they reduced RAM size on PVT32B devices... They used newev chipset (yhbae01 is right - same speed but less power consumption, and a bit better performance) but reduced RAM...
Anyways, anyone knows answer to my question? Is PVT32A better than PVT32B, and WHY?

You also need to take into account the radio frequencies. As far as I know, the US T-Mobile devices (32B) have less RAM but run on the 1700/2100 MHz 3G frequencies, while the Canadian Rogers devices (32A) have more RAM but run on the 850/1900 MHz 3G frequencies.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Magic#cite_note-HTC_Magic_.28Rogers.29_Specs-0)

before buy
Hi,
i am located in the EU and have the possibility to buy either 32A or 32B which supports my 3G network (only from ebay). i found that 32A-s are really rare and are about 1.4x more expensive than 32B-s. its that +~100Mb RAM so important it is worth to pay for? i am a little bit confused till i have read about the swap to SD possibility, the better processor of 32B etc etc. could someone experienced with magic give me a clear understanding on the 'real' difference of the 2 types (i know all the technical specs).
sry for my english
rm

ratson said:
Hi,
i am located in the EU and have the possibility to buy either 32A or 32B which supports my 3G network (only from ebay). i found that 32A-s are really rare and are about 1.4x more expensive than 32B-s. its that +~100Mb RAM so important it is worth to pay for? i am a little bit confused till i have read about the swap to SD possibility, the better processor of 32B etc etc. could someone experienced with magic give me a clear understanding on the 'real' difference of the 2 types (i know all the technical specs).
rm
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Speed wise I have never heard any discussion of 32A or B being different. Ditto for battery life. The RAM is a the big deal. Lets you run more apps without worrying about swapping. The phone definitely gets slower once it starts swapping apps in and out. If I had the choice I would get the 32A over the B.

bjtheone said:
Speed wise I have never heard any discussion of 32A or B being different. Ditto for battery life. The RAM is a the big deal. Lets you run more apps without worrying about swapping. The phone definitely gets slower once it starts swapping apps in and out. If I had the choice I would get the 32A over the B.
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Hi,
thank you for the information. So you think i would feel the lack of RAM on 32B... and what about 32A, will it run out of memory sooner or later, or under normal circumstances will it be enough?
thank you in advance

ratson said:
Hi,
thank you for the information. So you think i would feel the lack of RAM on 32B... and what about 32A, will it run out of memory sooner or later, or under normal circumstances will it be enough?
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66 apps (assorted games, tools and productivity) and still have 213 Mb available. Apps with really big data requirements (GPS with local maps) tend to have their datasets on the SD card and many apps also use the SD for storage. So I would say you are good for Flash memory space. You could solve this with Apps2SD but most 32A ROM developers s don't see the need/demand.
In terms of running apps, you will notice a slowdown once the RAM gets filled up and swapping becomes an issue. Just install a task manager (liek TasKiller) and kill running apps that you don't need at the time. Once launched, apps continue running until you end them and most apps are designed without a quit/end function so they stay resident in memory.

Oh, C'mon! Doesn't anyone want to field the *real* answer?
If you plan on using a "stock" ROM without the HTC SenseUI, a 32b should be *ok*...
...but if you'd like the option of have SenseUI be lag-free (or more so, anyway) a 32a device is a better option.
Either way, how can you argue *against* the extra RAM?!?!
Here's an example:
I have the option of buy a new PC with either 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM...which one is going to feel "snappier" or more responsive?
Answer: the one with more RAM.
I've used a stock T-Mobile G1 to run SenseUI and it was *painful*. The ROM devs have made an insane amount of progress, and I'm sure that HTC has taken advantage of some of that.
I'm now using an HTC Rogers Magic (32a) on AT&T in the U.S...on which Sense runs *much* more smoothly...but I still prefer the Cyanogen ROMs, as they're more responsive still.
(it's for sale, BTW)

nolsen311 said:
If you plan on using a "stock" ROM without the HTC SenseUI, a 32b should be *ok*...
...but if you'd like the option of have SenseUI be lag-free (or more so, anyway) a 32a device is a better option.
Either way, how can you argue *against* the extra RAM?!?!
Here's an example:
I have the option of buy a new PC with either 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM...which one is going to feel "snappier" or more responsive?
Answer: the one with more RAM.
I've used a stock T-Mobile G1 to run SenseUI and it was *painful*. The ROM devs have made an insane amount of progress, and I'm sure that HTC has taken advantage of some of that.
I'm now using an HTC Rogers Magic (32a) on AT&T in the U.S...on which Sense runs *much* more smoothly...but I still prefer the Cyanogen ROMs, as they're more responsive still.
(it's for sale, BTW)
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Well there is a little more into it than the Rom itself. How many apps and widgets you have running and how much ram consuming is the apps/games you're gonna use. I know that you have have task managers and so on but if i'm a businessman who need and want some apps to be running in the background constantly i would defiantly feel a difference from the 32a and 32b even when running a stock rom without sense UI!

From as far as I have read (hours of googling). both msm7200A and msm7201A are 65nm.
What I have read:
The A is 65nm and non-A is 90nm.
7200 is before the patent issue filed by broadcom and the 7201 has a patent issue workaround.
The workaround has a small performance impact from what I have read.
greets
(p.s. sorry for the bump of this old thread, but I was googling on several overclocks of these cpu's and came across these details as well. So I tought it would be interesting to share ...)

"FAIL"-phone slower than other phones? Despite Snapdragon?

Looks like HTC has done it again and delivered a phone that should run crazy fast on paper BUT the actual performance is sub-par compared to other phones:
HTC Nexus One (FAILphone):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzxZ8tOBcQ
HTC Magic and HTC Liquid Benchmark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O36LA6EhZg4

I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.

Do you work for Apple?

How does it do on PiBenchmark? That would provide more relevant results with its Snapdragon processor.

andythefan said:
I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.
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doesn't the liquid come with an underclocked snapdragon?

I have a Magic that is rooted and tweaked to all hell and have played with the nexus. There is no doubt that the Google phone out performs any other phone that HTC has released. Ive seen it first hand. Its very fast and can handle so many things going on at the same time it makes my tummy tickle.

You are an idiot. Get your panties out of a bunch because you are pissed at the price and that it has no AT&T 3G. Should we all be pissed that the Droid only works on Verizon? Should we all be pissed that the iPhone only has AT&T 3G? The Nexus One is designed to be on T-Mobile. Sure, it will technically work on any GSM provider, but that isn't what it was intended to do. Google must have some deal with T-Mobile since they offers the most android phones.
And about the performance, that only shows video performance, and we dont know for sure what the N1 and A1 have in terms of a GPU

staulkor said:
And about the performance, that only shows video performance, and we dont know for sure what the N1 and A1 have in terms of a GPU
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I thought neocore tested the graphics chip with 3d benchamarking?

andythefan said:
I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.
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It's called system on a chip.
and the telling comparison is the Acer Liquid with its ~750MHz Snapdragon CPU (underclocked) vs. the Nexus One with its 1GHz Snapdragon CPU.
Looks like HTC screwed up again.
Ohhh. The other posters are pissed because their Messiah phone is a big FAIL?

What are you, 15 years old? Get off of mommy's computer and stop *****ing because you can't use the N1 on your network and get 3G.

Im guessing the benchmark isnt accurate. It goes beyond common senese that the fps are the same as the magic.

Maedhros said:
Im guessing the benchmark isnt accurate. It goes beyond common senese that the fps are the same as the magic.
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Actually ... it goes nicely with HTC's track record of under-performing hardware.

We have too many variables that makes comparing these results difficult. The HTC Magic and Liquid are running 1.6, while the Nexus is running 2.1. There are dramatically different levels of overhead on different Android system versions. There could be way more overhead on Android 2.1 than on 1.6. Additionally, you forgot to mention that the Nexus One is running at a resolution 2.5 times that of the HTC Magic.
Just because you're not going to buy the Nexus (because you recently purchased another handset and are trying to justify your purchase, or because it doesn't support your carrier's 3G frequencies, or otherwise) doesn't mean you are obliged to spam these forums with "OMG THIS PHONE IS FAIL"

the resolution used on the n1 is far higher than on the older devices remember

coolVariable said:
It's called system on a chip.
and the telling comparison is the Acer Liquid with its ~750MHz Snapdragon CPU (underclocked) vs. the Nexus One with its 1GHz Snapdragon CPU.
Looks like HTC screwed up again.
Ohhh. The other posters are pissed because their Messiah phone is a big FAIL?
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The only FAIL here are your posts. You sound like a Droid owner, pissed that your phone is about to lose top dog status. Just crawl back into your parents basement, fire up your xbox, and shoot some 12 year olds. It will help you get over the fact that you are a huge FAIL.

lol @semantics now thats funny man

I have had this phone for three weeks now and one thing its not is SLOW. Its way faster than my 3GS and my Mytouch.

I got 27.4 FPS on my G1.
I'm pretty sure the N1 isn't slower then the G1. That would be stupid.

I don't give a damn, I'm buying this joint day 1!! LOL

my theory:
1. Neocore is designed to work with android 1.6 and Open GL ES 1.1
2. The Liquid A1 has the same processor (albeit underclocked) and the same screen resolution as the N1 so you would expect them to perform similarliy. They dont perfrom the same so you must look at the differences between the phones. The biggest to me is the fact that the Liquid A1 has Android 1.6 and Open GL ES 1.1, the sweet spot for Neocore.
3. The N1 had Android 2.1 and Open GL ES 2.0, specs that are not supported by Neocore. How can Neocore accurately test the N1 when it does not support its specifications? The slowness is not due to poor hardware, rather it is due to old software trying to run on the latest hardware.

HTC Leo Clone = HTC Desire HD

The new HTC Desire HD is now on HTC's website.
It is HD2 copy but with Android.
Nand on the way(?) when these are in XDA forum users hands.

the hardware is the same? I don't think soo :S
Snapdragon 8255 1gz
768MB of RAM
internal storage 1.5gb
and a battery 1230ma
8mpx

ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh I want one, I want one, I want one! or I'll settle for a nice android port.

really wana get a dump of the Desire HD so i can port it to the HD2, all those new widgets and apps, along with new camera app! easy port to be made

the desire hd is too easy to port like EVO....what I means is: EVO = HTC DESIRE HD
really hard to dump

No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html

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an 4GB internal flash drive]
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4GB... are you sure???
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php
That says 1.5GB...
Nonetheless, 8mpx, faster loading time, more ram, more nand, blah blah blah, still pretty much = HD2 Android.
I urge everyone to wait for the new CPU man. It's RTM Q4/2010.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/08/qualcomm-1-5ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-devices-to-arrive-at-end-o/
The fake HD3 specs could true for some specs like 1Gb Ram Given the new Desire HD got 768mb ram.

Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...

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zelduy said:
Yeah.. Desire HD is Evo 4G...
and the spec is not that much different from HD2... even galaxy S got better spec then it (pity it got the iPhone wanna be looks,, hate it..)
I'll stick to HD2 until there's a big leap in Android phone...
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My thoughts too. a fast SD card could will do the trick, besides we'll always be able to use WM at any time.
Until something with a TP2 form factor comes out, I don't think I'm getting a new device. I really miss the keyboard. Resco KB is doing the trick in WM, but it's not like feeling the buttons.
And for God's sake, add some specs. HTC is becoming like Nokia, same hardware in different enclosure every few months.

dang you all . this is android development channel not ur chit chat channel. push this into the android development general thread. why dont noobs understand what and where to put things @@@@

dealer75 said:
I got one for testing purposes...
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Did you ever know that you're our hero? and you can fly higher than an Eagle and you are the wind between our legs?

What the deuce!!, just bought my HD2 4 weeks ago and still got my Nexus, Touch HD and Pro2 from last year lying around Curse you HTC, curse you!!!

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hi, can u get roms and post here....

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dealer75 said:
Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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is it possible for you to post the .apks from the phone. this will help in development .. only if its possible.

TheTeek said:
No Hardware is a bit different, it uses a MSM8255 with a die size of 45nm instead of an QSD8250 CPU which die size is 65nm, this msm8255 CPU is based on the same core as the snapdragon QSD8250 of the HD2 and Desire, but will be more energy efficient.
It also features a possibility of 720P recording, probably it will do 720P HD playback as well with hardware acceleration in the CPU.
It features more RAM 786 instead of (unlocked HD2) 576MB. different screen, super LCD and last but not least, an 4GB internal flash drive and some features for faster booting.
Still hope we soon will find a really stable android release which will definitly replace WM6.5..
forgot to mention the (Dutch) source:
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1777/5/...droid-hardware-een-4-komma-3-inch-scherm.html
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using my computer knowledge, all these won't affect porting if they use same component for radio/IO/DSP/wireless/bluetooth/GPS...etc
die shrink usually means pin-to-pin compatibility.

dealer75 said:
Nope, sorry, flashing is in a different department. We´re testing only our software on this devices to ensure the functionality on different enviroments. I can help only with pics and information which I can see in the device.
BTW, the Ace has a fullscreen watermark.
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I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...

richteralan said:
I guess you cannot disassemble them and look at chips inside then...
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but what's the point? is it going to change anything...? all that we need is the rom dump and the rest is up to cooks.
btw, this thread is kinda pointless imho. we all know about release of desire hd and z.

Desire z processor is not that power

All people calming that desire z processor @800mhz scores better in benchmarks than overlooked snapdragon ,this is not true when Iam on desire z Rom I underclocked my hd2 to 806.4 mhz (same as dz) and I got 1512 score from the first time same as Dz with its perfect GPU , SO OUR CPU PERFORMS BETTER ( you can try it yourself ) Iam not a liar ,I think the improved performance is in THE ROM itself not in the processor
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You have to remember that the benchmarks (quadrant, linpack etc) are all synthetic, like 3dmark back in the day for pc graphics cards. There are so many things that can affect your scores both adversely and positively that they should only be used as a very rough guideline and nothing more. Direct comparisons are all but pointless.

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You have to remember that the benchmarks (quadrant, linpack etc) are all synthetic, like 3dmark back in the day for pc graphics cards. There are so many things that can affect your scores both adversely and positively that they should only be used as a very rough guideline and nothing more. Direct comparisons are all but pointless.
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Iam talking to people who take quadrant as a prove for performance , I know that its results are not accurate
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I think you should use Quadrant Advanced to compare cpu scores, I know I/O scores help our HD2 a lot.

Even software affects quadrant cpu scores so it is not reliable. Quadrant benchmarks h264 decoding performance as part of cpu benchmark and for example having stagefright driver enabled inflates cpu score by double! Disable stagefright and your cpu will score 400 instead of 800. (in quadrant "advanced") if you use better software decoder it will affect cpu score by large amount. And rebenchmarking produces higher results because of caching. Mips calculating benchmarks are better (like the one in setcpu)
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That might be true but the Desire Z/G2 has a co-processor for apps that we don't have.
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psykick5 said:
That might be true but the Desire Z/G2 has a co-processor for apps that we don't have.
what is the coprocessor , desire z have same scorpion core like hd2 only with 45n.m tech
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I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released

wow that makes me want it

RobertsDF said:
I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
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Your battey will say thank you. Your chipset too. This phone is not made for such things. That won't last very long I think. But it is quite impressive, seems to be veeeeery fast

JanssoN said:
Your battey will say thank you. Your chipset too. This phone is not made for such things. That won't last very long I think. But it is quite impressive, seems to be veeeeery fast
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+1.. imagine, a 75% overclock?? i wonder if the carpet has any burn marks on them when he lifts the phone up, or if his face has any burn marks that's why he's not showing it up on the cam.. lol.. because a 75% OC on a very small device where there is not enough room to breathe, the whole phone would be like a big heatsink if used for a period of time.. and i guess that's also the reason why HTC slapped the 800mhz cpu instead of the 1ghz.. i'm our HD2 can achieve such high of an OC, but it wouldn't be adviceable as it would melt/crack the solder joints on the GPU and/or processor of the phone at that kind of heat.. and i believe that the GPU and apllication coprocessor that they're talking about on the G2 is just a marketing ploy to justify it's price tag.. maybe to cope up with the build price since there are moving parts (hinge) and the hard keyboard.. even the guy at the tmobile store told me that the G2 isn't fast at all.. he said it's nothing close to evo or the nexus one as some people and websites claims.. funny when he asked my what kind of phone do i have.. i pulled my HD2 and showed it to him.. he was surprised to see Android on it and asked me if he could play with it.. so i let him.. and after playing with it for a while, he advised me to wait for the new phone device that's supposed to come out before the end of the year.. he even told me that getting a G2 would be the same as downgrading as he feels that my HD2 is way way faster than the G2.. i told him i'm thinking about getting the vibrant because the port for our HD2 is nothing close to being perfect and that it's still running from the SD card.. again he discouraged me and told me to wait for the next phone device to come.. so i guess that's what i will do..

I'm surprised that you were in store and didn't test drive G2 for yourself, are you sure he is sale person?, he didn't sound like one.

justwonder said:
I'm surprised that you were in store and didn't test drive G2 for yourself, are you sure he is sale person?, he didn't sound like one.
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as a matter of fact i did.. that's actually one of the main reason why i went to the store, as i've been reading a lot of good things on G2.. i went there to compare the G2 with the samsung vibrant.. but through the end, i didn't like the G2's performance despite the fact that it's the only phone right now on TMo that supports the HSPA+.. and yes he's a sales person.. i was surprised as well when he told me about the upcoming desire HD.. but that didn't happen until i showed my HD2 to him and let him play with it for a while.. maybe he knows that i'm a phone enthusiast and that i might just end up returning the phone within the 30 days period after playing with the G2.. who knows?? i think the G2 is wayyy overrated.. it performs within it's specs, nothing special..

RobertsDF said:
I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
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Desire Z overclocks to exactly same speeds. Record OC is 1470MHz.
So they are same CPUs, clocked at different speeds. Bigger screen = higher clock to handle bigger screen.
EDIT: Desire Z overclocks to 1.7GHz at 1400mv
EDIT: Desire Z overclocks to 1.9GHz at 1500mv

Evo shift 4g

So who's making the jump to the Evo shift 4g? There is a review video on YouTube as well. Search for Evo shift 4g.
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Yeah I am
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Yeah I am
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I'm an epic user but I have seen the great dev community for the Evo and as I will be getting the shift for my wife I really hope that some of your devs make the switch or at the very least expand their development to include the shift!

Hell no! I see the shift as the "womans" version of an Evo. No offense to any ladies out there

T3hPWN said:
Hell no! I see the shift as the "womans" version of an Evo. No offense to any ladies out there
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So, I should give my husband my Evo and I get the Shift?

I just got my EVO last night and ordered the wife an Optimus she decided her Blackberry just couldn't hang anymore. But we might be sending the optimus back now after seeing the shift demo video, looks really nice.

bigmoogle said:
So, I should give my husband my Evo and I get the Shift?
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Champagne would fall from the heavens all doors will open and you will be crowned one of the coolest wifes to walk the earth.

Has anyone looked at the hardware specs or can tell if the 4g chipset is the same as the EVO? In other words: will all the WIMAX work being done right now be Shift compatible? I imagine so (at worst just wait for a kernel release so the new drivers can be compiled) but I'm curious.

The specs on the shift aren't as good. I wouldn't expect many current evo users to switch.

smaller with a slide out keyboard. No thanks. It really doesn't have better specs than the Evo, just smaller with a slide out keyboard. I think I'll stick with my Evo for now because when I am eligible for an upgrade the phones will be much better than the Shift. No sense getting locked into a lesser phone for 2 yrs. My 2 pennies worth anyway. To each his own.

Did anyone else notice in the video review, the processor is the same as the original EVO? V7 rev 2? Am I misunderstanding that?
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Is it going to ship with the new sense?

leenypost said:
The specs on the shift aren't as good. I wouldn't expect many current evo users to switch.
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*Sigh* people like numbers too much. Just because the number 800 is smaller than 1000 doesn't mean that 1000 is better than 800. The chip running the Evo Shift is faster than the plain old Evo and has been overclocked to 1600mhz which is bigger than 1000. As I've read in here the Evo force reboots at 1200. The only downside to this phone is its size which many would view as an upside (my wife is one of those people...she has small hands and cannot use the Evo or the Epic).

Think about it only a 2g sd card but the 1 LED flash will be better for taking pics on a 5mp cam. The EVO is still better even though I have a thing for keyboards. I didn't know I had a big thing for screen size until I got this lol. Bigger IS better, or at least that is what my girlfriend said.
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i'm jumping ship. it's the same cpu as the G2 and that thing is a beast.
also the keyboard would be handy, i miss having a real keyboard and can live with the smaller screen (same resolution...so whatever)
just hope we get CM7 on the Shift some time soon after release :-D
anyone hating on the CPU hasn't seen an evo and a G2 side by side.
my friends unrooted, stock G2 wipes the floor with my Evo running CM6.1.1 with zendroid 1.0.2 BFS - AVS with setCPU set to performance at 998mhz (stock clock and setCPU profiles turned off)
the GPU on the Scorpion (cpu in the shift. i think it's called the Scorpion) is enough for me to switch
Neocore on my Evo averages 32.2 FPS and my friends G2 averages 53 FPS. should make enough of a difference to play Dungeon Defenders :-D

Ill enjoy my evo and switch when there is a significant upgrade.

I am very tempted to make a jump ship to the Shift 4g. However, you guys do point out interesting facts that I might reconsider.

No thanks from what I have seen I will stick with my evo. I have a craving for big screens. I love the size of my evo and wwont be going to a smaller screen
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ffolkes said:
Did anyone else notice in the video review, the processor is the same as the original EVO? V7 rev 2? Am I misunderstanding that?
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Its actually a Rev 1 and is only 800mhz. Only comes with a 2gb sd card also.
I'll pass!

edgemaster191 said:
i'm jumping ship. it's the same cpu as the G2 and that thing is a beast.
the GPU on the Scorpion (cpu in the shift. i think it's called the Scorpion) is enough for me to switch
Neocore on my Evo averages 32.2 FPS and my friends G2 averages 53 FPS. should make enough of a difference to play Dungeon Defenders :-D
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The scorpion core is Qualcomm's changes to ARM's standard Cortex A8 CPU. Both first and second generation Snapdragon have the scorpion core. Per clock cycle, Qualcomm claims it is 5-10% faster than a standard Cortex A8 (iphone 3gs used this processor). The second generation snapdragon is built on a 45nm process (60nm for first generation) so it is more energy efficient and should be better on battery life. The big advantage is the upgraded gpu, the Adreno 205 is much more powerful than the Adreno 200 found in the first generation Snapdragon.
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