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Htc hero rom porting...

This is thread about porting the ORIGINAL ROM of HTC HERO that HTC announced in its event on 24th June...........
Any one who gets hold of the ROM please upload it here so that the devs can start porting ...
The ROM that original firmware has is slight different and it seemed to be much more complete and smoother....
THE ROM IS NOT YET THERE>>> THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION

If this a discussion thread then i will move it to general, thanks for the clarification

i cant wait until we get it. hopefully Haykuro shows up with it out of the blue and becomes our Hero.

How does everyone think the Sense UI Rom will run on our G1s? Do you think it will be as fast as it was in the Hero Demo or will it be slightly slower than that because the Dream has less ROM/RAM vs the Hero?

im sure that it will be faster than our current hero rom with a2sd. It might be a little slower but i dont think it should be that noticeable of a difference.

it should be able to run well...swapper will make up for the ram we dont have and a class 6 card will also help our cause.

HTC Hero G3 Released to T-mobile and G1 update
looks like T-mobile will Released Hero by November and December and
will released the flash player to all G1 (OTA UPDATE)
update code Name: flash (V2.0) update..

"HTC's Sense UI not coming to any "Google" branded phones"
We've got some good and bad news... mostly bad, though. First, the good news: HTC is looking into finding a way to bring its new Sense UI -- the one featured prominently in the new Hero -- to its non-Google branded Android devices, such as Canadian carrier Roger Wireless' Magic. Unfortunately, and this is the bad news, even that's not a sure thing, and as you can probably guess from the wording, any phone that's got the "with Google" branding, like T-Mobile USA's G1 and myTouch 3G, won't be getting a chance at all due to the same licensing terms that prevented Microsoft Exchange clients on those same phones. Them's the breaks, folks, but we're sure some hacker with enough know-how will bypass the silly restrictions and do it anyway.
taken from - http://www.engadget.com/ -

well until the Rogers phones get rooted, they better not leave out the Dream on Rogers or I'm going to be rather upset.
Of cousre I'll take root and a hacked ROM any day

Rosco911 said:
"HTC's Sense UI not coming to any "Google" branded phones"
We've got some good and bad news... mostly bad, though. First, the good news: HTC is looking into finding a way to bring its new Sense UI -- the one featured prominently in the new Hero -- to its non-Google branded Android devices, such as Canadian carrier Roger Wireless' Magic. Unfortunately, and this is the bad news, even that's not a sure thing, and as you can probably guess from the wording, any phone that's got the "with Google" branding, like T-Mobile USA's G1 and myTouch 3G, won't be getting a chance at all due to the same licensing terms that prevented Microsoft Exchange clients on those same phones. Them's the breaks, folks, but we're sure some hacker with enough know-how will bypass the silly restrictions and do it anyway.
taken from - http://www.engadget.com/ -
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heh this isn't much to worry about. as soon as someone gets hold of the phone, it's only a matter of doing a "adb pull /system system" and uploading it somewhere for us to be able to grab it and run with it
AverageCanadian said:
well until the Rogers phones get rooted, they better not leave out the Dream on Rogers or I'm going to be rather upset.
Of cousre I'll take root and a hacked ROM any day
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why not both? ;P

haykuro said:
heh this isn't much to worry about. as soon as someone gets hold of the phone, it's only a matter of doing a "adb pull /system system" and uploading it somewhere for us to be able to grab it and run with it
why not both? ;P
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This is why I love xda

does anyone think that this could be done without root, similar to the manual update for T-Mobile 1.5? Maybe you could just edit the contents of T-Mobile 1.5 to add the UI changes?

I really doubt it, if it were possible I think we would've done that with some of the ROMs that have been released. You're on a developer website, you have to take some risks because this is "in development' not finished.

as I stated in another thread, HTC is not bringing sense to "with Google" branded phones, however, there are non google dreams out there, I think roger's is one of them. Once rogers gets rosie, it's gonna be an easy port to any dream rom.
Anyway, if somebody dumps a hero rom, there shouldn't be a reason why it wouldn't run on Dream. Hero is comparable in hardware (memory size and storage capacity) to the sapphire, so it'd only be a matter of making rosie run in less memory (192 vs 288) and fit in a smaller space (256 vs 512). The processors by Qualcomm on both devices are very similar, the hero's being a revision of dream's and sapphire's processors, and they both share the same arm11 core. Both processors are capable of running at 528mhz, so, really, there's very little difference between both devices. Again, a rogers dream port would be better, but Hero port will still work fine on dream

android 2.0 and rogers htc magic

simple ? do u guys think htc will also update htc magic/rogers 32a with 2.0 like the hero? im pretty sure they will but i want to know if the xda community thinks that as well.

Yeah i like to know too. would be cool to have a Eclair Magic

well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.

porky1981 said:
well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.
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The Canadian carriers are bottom feeding scum. They provide horrible levels of service at the highest rates, while making huge profits.
As a long time Rogers customer I doubt you will ever see a 2.0 update from Rogers. 6 months to 1 year after the rest of the world they will roll out a 2.0 phone and offer it as a sign your life away for another 3 years upgrade.
Root and enjoy the freedom to load and run what you want.

Rogers blows
Yeah ... I wouldn't put money on Rogers coming up with a 2.0 release any time soon.
I sent them a formal complaint about the half-assed state of their android OS (on Dream) ... all I got back was a long email full of fluff and BS. About twice the length of my complaint with absolutely no content. There wasn't a single answer to any of my questions, just the usual "valued customer" BS.
Canadian carriers are truely scum. Let's hope with Bell and Telus going GSM, this'll create some competition and things get better ... though I think it'll just turn into a group Monopoly where they all get together and find the best way to gouge the customers.

ok what about finding an official google branded rom and installing it on a 32A Magic

It not only in Canada =/
In Denmark the HTC Magic (32a) is not affected by the carriers, so its up to HTC to release ROM updates, but they never do...
Havent seen 1.6, no official HTC Sense on the way and I wont even wait for android 2.0.....
People can always say "go root and install some custom ROM". Well yeah its nice, but it will never be like having the stock ROMs =/

I have to disagree on this one.
Rooting your phone is ultimately better than having the Rogers-provided stock ROM for a number of reasons like:
- One-touch FULL backup and full RESTORE of your whole phone;
- Wireless tethering;
- Ability to go on the Market and purchase apps as required;
- App2SD and swapping capability, etc.

OK well i might be buying a 32A Magic, but i was wondering if original google ROM with OTA updates can be used on the 32A

Root account
Does unlocking root account voids the warranty?

bmassico said:
I have to disagree on this one.
Rooting your phone is ultimately better than having the Rogers-provided stock ROM for a number of reasons like:
- One-touch FULL backup and full RESTORE of your whole phone;
- Wireless tethering;
- Ability to go on the Market and purchase apps as required;
- App2SD and swapping capability, etc.
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Well yea, compared to a branded phone.
But as he said: In Denmark HTC phones are not branded, no sim-lock no nothing. Meaning the phones haven't been altered at all.
And I would rather have a rom especially built for a certain device, than a cooked version designed for a completely different one.
Just like Sense before there was an official HTC release.
Sure it was fast and most things work, however some things just could'nt be fixed properly.
Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?

Eskibo said:
Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?
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Not easily. Android is built on top of a customized Linux and the underlying permissions and rights are pretty fundamental to the OS. You could open everything up to allow non root users the access they need but I bet that "bad things" (highly technical term for difficult to debug file system changes, corruption, etc... would happen as some other poorly written program could then trash the OS. Plus you would have to deal with how the Dalvik machine sitting on top would complicate things. Perhaps once it is opened up to allow running user applications in C it might be simpler, though they are still going to be running virtual.
Much, much simpler to use SuperUser Permissions and explicitly grant access rights to specific programs.

bjtheone said:
Not easily. Android is built on top of a customized Linux and the underlying permissions and rights are pretty fundamental to the OS. You could open everything up to allow non root users the access they need but I bet that "bad things" (highly technical term for difficult to debug file system changes, corruption, etc... would happen as some other poorly written program could then trash the OS. Plus you would have to deal with how the Dalvik machine sitting on top would complicate things. Perhaps once it is opened up to allow running user applications in C it might be simpler, though they are still going to be running virtual.
Much, much simpler to use SuperUser Permissions and explicitly grant access rights to specific programs.
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Correct. Also, the wireless tether program that everyone uses is essentially just a gui for executing the necessary iptables commands to handle the routing/nat stuff. Iptables has been in existence for like 10 years now. That's way more than you can say for products like PDANet.
One of the things that makes Linux more secure than other OS's is that it inherently has user separation built in. The advantages that are gained from this far outweigh the minor inconveniences.

I checked a few days ago and the source hadn't been released yet.
Apparently someone here has ripped the 2.0 from a Moto Droid and put it on a G1 (Dream), but according to the same article it's not issue-free yet.
I'm sure Cyanogen would be on it as soon as the source is released

Sense UI on Magic
Came across this:
Sense UI on Magic

Epicardium said:
Came across this:
Sense UI on Magic
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Old news. I hasn't made it to Canada. I read somewhere that HTC may be releasing it to Rogers around Christmas.

porky1981 said:
well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.
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Actually the reason why Canada (Bell, Telus, Rogers) still don't have paid apps on their Android devices is because the Carriers want a piece of the action. They watch Apple rack in a TON of cash and now they want a cut of the profits.
Eskibo said:
Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?
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No wireless tether requires root access, there is not way to tether without it. It plays around with some settings in the phone that only root access will give you.

tozes said:
Does unlocking root account voids the warranty?
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It does, but you can always unroot if you need warranty service.

Seriously..they cant leave out Dev Phone 1

how can you make a update that cant be put on the first android phone (that all the devs have)..devs couldnt test their roms..so they should come out with a 2.0 rom for dream and magic...soon after the droid release

or they could do it the smart business way and use 2.0 as a marketing tool for the droid and release the source after the hubbub has died down. wait, thats what they ARE doing.
remember that these people are in BUSINESS. money talks.

BReK316 said:
how can you make a update that cant be put on the first android phone (that all the devs have)..devs couldnt test their roms..so they should come out with a 2.0 rom for dream and magic...soon after the droid release
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Um...what?
You realize that Google, HTC and T-mobile don't give a **** about ROM devs, right? They don't, and they have no reason to. They only care about selling phones...
It's due to size limitations, cupcake and donut only just fit in the G1's ROM (internal memory/NAND). Here's a full explanation. The Magic doesn't come in to it. It has 512mb ROM, but the G1 only has 256mb.
Please understand that this is about *physical* limitations, it's not because the G1 is "old", the ROM just isn't big enough.

the 20$ developer fee and 30% of every sale on the market go to someone....
granted its nothing big enough to make companies like google drool yet, but from what i can tell, its only increseing....

AdrianK said:
Um...what?
You realize that Google, HTC and T-mobile don't give a **** about ROM devs, right? They don't, and they have no reason to. They only care about selling phones...
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This may be true, but they care very much about application developers. Without them the product is not going anywhere. Google will very likely either make a 2.0 ROM available for the G1 (maybe without all features) or release a new development phone. Of course now that the hardware market is showing traction they might decide that there is no need for a development phone any longer.

I hope a GSM Droid becomes the ADP2. I'm debating whether to buy the Droid on launch or try to wait for an ADP2 announcement.

JanetPanic said:
This may be true, but they care very much about application developers. Without them the product is not going anywhere. Google will very likely either make a 2.0 ROM available for the G1 (maybe without all features) or release a new development phone. Of course now that the hardware market is showing traction they might decide that there is no need for a development phone any longer.
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Yes, you're right, that's something I had overlooked, but isn't the ION essentially the ADP2? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it have an engeneering SPL? My point is it has the nand space for 2.0...

AdrianK said:
Yes, you're right, that's something I had overlooked, but isn't the ION essentially the ADP2? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it have an engeneering SPL? My point is it has the nand space for 2.0...
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Except that it was a limited build for attendees of some event and it is NOT available for general developer consumption....

Magic with froyo 2.2?

There were some rumors that some of the Android devices of HTC will not receive the newest update to Android Froyo 2.2. While this is partially true, we’re happy to say that HTC Magic is not included in that “black list”.
As announced by the second largest French mobile operator SFR, the device will receive the desired Froyo soon. Some believe that this will take place even in this month. T-Mobile has also plans to update myTouch 3 G which is basically the same device to Froyo by the end of this year.
Let’s say that the device looks to handle the novelties quite well, considering the fact “of not being that new”. Good job!
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Code:
http://www.htcphones.net/htc-magic-to-get-froyo-2-2-update/
so correct me if im wrong... but if the htc magic gets official android 2.2 does that mean the amazing developers here are going to have a field day with it and make it even better and more customizable than the actual creators of it?
I sure hope so would love to have a nice custom rom with 2.2 that works and with tons of bonus stuff pre installed.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but the amazing developers here are having a field day since the froyo source was dropped in to AOSP a few days ago. CM6 should be just around the corner.

i know they are already playing with it, but with a copy from the actually phone i imagine it would be easier to mod and play with since they dont have to port and do all kinds of ridicules things to get it to work on another phone.

sike89 said:
i know they are already playing with it, but with a copy from the actually phone i imagine it would be easier to mod and play with since they dont have to port and do all kinds of ridicules things to get it to work on another phone.
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Remember that the 32B Magic is the ION/ADP2, everything you need to get a fully working ROM is supplied in the AOSP. What you're suggesting is probably more relevant to devices like the Hero. At any rate, we'll probably see CM6 or some other froyo ROM before a shipped one.

ok well you seem to know more than i do so i hope a 2.2 near perfect rom comes out soom. im so excited lol

Yeah me too, Cyan's feed is the only reason I'm checking twitter atm, really looking forward to speed increases

Am I crazy?

No seriously.
Am I crazy for want a port of the Rodgers 2.1 update?
I mean I do like the Cyanogen ROM's but I'd REALLY like to have a full working Sense ROM.
And seeing as this update was for the magic, wouldn't a port be fairly easy?
or does the SPL/Radio requirements pose an issue porting to other devices ???
BTW, is anyone working on a port of this or has "choice" died out due to everyone using CM?

You're not crazy, but I wouldn't bet on getting a port for the 1.2. In order to run it needs a completely different radio and spl plus other drivers. Even if someone "coerced" the kernel to run on the old spl and a radio made for another device, you'd still probably be lacking drivers for the touchscreen and the audio jack.
Even if the Rogers Magic and the MyTouch 1.2 are both 32A devices, the hardware differences are noticeable, making porting a very hard job.
That being said, I'm going to check out the price for a Desire from my provider. I've been waiting for this update since early spring and now that it's finally here, the bastards disabled multilanguage and won't release a proper WWE, unbranded version. The speed's nothing to brag about, either...

keinengel said:
You're not crazy, but I wouldn't bet on getting a port for the 1.2. In order to run it needs a completely different radio and spl plus other drivers. Even if someone "coerced" the kernel to run on the old spl and a radio made for another device, you'd still probably be lacking drivers for the touchscreen and the audio jack.
Even if the Rogers Magic and the MyTouch 1.2 are both 32A devices, the hardware differences are noticeable, making porting a very hard job.
That being said, I'm going to check out the price for a Desire from my provider. I've been waiting for this update since early spring and now that it's finally here, the bastards disabled multilanguage and won't release a proper WWE, unbranded version. The speed's nothing to brag about, either...
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Damn >_<
Oh well, I just posted up my MT3G & Dask for trade for a MT3G slide or Nexus one
Haha neither will probably happen

Sorry to blow your bubble.
One more thing, could you please rename the topic to something like "official rogers 2.1 update on the fender", so that it's easier for other users to find the answer?

know its a little late but there isn't any need to do anything to the kernel at all
simply move the audio apk's from the 1.6 stock tmo rom for the 1.2 to the rogers package. i would imagine the same would be true with the video drivers
ill do some more research on this but thats basically all thats required