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okay after doing some hard thinking about my next upgrade and realizing i don't have a ton of money to spend on a real hero phone right now. id love to see one of the devs on here create the first fully functional android rom for our touch vogues. i know i seem to be the one on here who has no luck with most of the builds so far but something keeps bringing me back to android.
so heres the deal, i will offer $50 or more via paypal to the first dev who can make this happen. id like to see others join in and lets make this bounty worthwhile. it would be a ton cheaper for me to just buy another vogue even brand new rather than spend $300 on a hero or other android phone. i may even be willing to donate my old vogue for testing. im also hoping others may join in on this. i see some of the devs have stopped development or will by moving to real android phones. i think the vogue is a solid phone and a rom like this would really keep interest going and the community going strong. hell maybe even xda will give us our own dedicated android section for the vogue if we can do this. also since we have godzon who is very talented at skinning, maybe he can start creating themes we can use on the rom? just a thought but really the possibilities are endless IMO.
so my questions are:
who is up for the challenge?
can this be done legally without google getting upset?
which build should we use as a base? hero, xrom, ion , cupcake or tattoo?
can we root our phones after we create a rom so we can have full potential as a real android phone user?
so i ask you guys to join in with me in making this task/project worthwhile for one of our talented devs on here.
sorry i created another thread on this but lets keep all discussions about this in here from now on.
"forgot to mention, my offer stands until the first week in november. if i don't see any interest or beginning development ill withdraw and cave in and buy a real hero."
thanks, fixxxer
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okay after doing some hard thinking about my next upgrade and realizing i don't have a ton of money to spend on a real hero phone right now. id love to see one of the devs on here create the first fully functional android rom for our touch vogues. i know i seem to be the one on here who has no luck with most of the builds so far but something keeps bringing me back to android.
so heres the deal, i will offer $50 or more via paypal to the first dev who can make this happen. id like to see others join in and lets make this bounty worthwhile. it would be a ton cheaper for me to just buy another vogue even brand new rather than spend $300 on a hero or other android phone. i may even be willing to donate my old vogue for testing. im also hoping others may join in on this. i see some of the devs have stopped development or will by moving to real android phones. i think the vogue is a solid phone and a rom like this would really keep interest going and the community going strong. hell maybe even xda will give us our own dedicated android section for the vogue if we can do this.
so my questions are:
who is up for the challenge?
can this be done legally without google getting upset?
which build should we use as a base? hero, xrom, ion , cupcake or tattoo?
can we root our phones after we create a rom so we can have full potential as a real android phone user?
so i ask you guys to join in with me in making this task/project worthwhile for one of our talented devs on here.
sorry i created another thread on this but lets keep all discussions about this in here from now on.
thanks, fixxxer
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lol most likely the ion build.
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lol most likely the ion build.
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so you up for it zen? im serious here.
wouldn't the tattoo build be the best?
well donut. tattoo still has trouble with force closes on start. some incompatibilities with our ril because of proprietary code. so donut would be a great option once audio gets fully functional. i'm not about to brick my only phone......
zenulator said:
well donut. tattoo still has trouble with force closes on start. some incompatibilities with our ril because of proprietary code. so donut would be a great option once audio gets fully functional. i'm not about to brick my only phone......
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well whatever build you guys think would be best. i just thought this would be a great idea for us vogue users. why buy a android phone when we can have fully functional rom on our vogues? then we could work on rooting, themeing and all that good stuff.
what do you think zen, would you be interested in this? would you need a spare vogue to try this out on? i might be willing to donate mine or hopefully someone else will too. im sure i can pick up a spare vogue for cheap.
I like this idea espcially since us Sprint SERO guys don't have a viable Android option to use as of yet.
I'ld paypal $50 for a version that completely ditches WM off the phone and works well. It doesn't matter which version, once someone pioneers the trial others will follow.
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I'ld paypal $50 for a version that completely ditches WM off the phone and works well. It doesn't matter which version, once someone pioneers the trial others will follow.
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+1...i really hope this thread doesn't die and i hope a dev will take this offer up.
Already said this in another thread, but I've got a spare Vogue (blacklisted ESN, I think) and, while I'd like to retain possession of it, I will blindly flash whatever a dev puts out for testing.
fixer you should summarize who all are offering what amounts.
I am willing to offer $20 for this!!
bid
if you can make it work, meaning build a rom based on hero or ion, i am willing to give the person 300, which is more than getting a tmobile plan with the my touch which i also do have, but i dont wanna get rid of my vogue, its been so good to me, i have it on metro, and for some reason market dont work when i am in android. still the bounty from my end will be 300 for a flashable android rom
i'd donate $50 as well..... im a huge fan of Android and would like to see this really happen
Before we go over to make a flashable rom we should look to get all hardware working for 100%. At the moment i think the risk to brick your phone is enormous. We should ask some of the spl people if they could help
I suppose it all depends, do you guys still want to have winmo? If not than it's not too terribly far away. Right now I can make my vogue start to boot the linux kernel, it totally wrecks the winmo everytime though. And there are some challenges to overcome..
Dual boot would be too cool, if ever possible....
were up to $470 right now to the first dev to make this possible.
and to mission....were talking about a fully flashable rom like winmo. i don't really see why this cannot be done with some hard work and teamwork. as i said my offer stands until i can get the hero which may be up to a month away yet.
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Dual boot would be too cool, if ever possible....
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not really what were talking about here man. right now technically that's what we already have. android/vogue is nothing more than a program, we want a fully working operating system that can be flashed like real android users can. once again i cannot see why we can't make this happen. ive seen a ton of talented devs on here. i wish i could do even half of what they accomplish.
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Before we go over to make a flashable rom we should look to get all hardware working for 100%. At the moment i think the risk to brick your phone is enormous. We should ask some of the spl people if they could help
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agreed, you devs should get together and discuss this. hell maybe all of you can even split the money. ive posted this thread at a couple other places on the net, im sure the pot will grow.
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I suppose it all depends, do you guys still want to have winmo? If not than it's not too terribly far away. Right now I can make my vogue start to boot the linux kernel, it totally wrecks the winmo everytime though. And there are some challenges to overcome..
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If one was to flash completely to android would one be able to flash back to winmo later or would that option be wiped away with the pure android flash.
Also we need a bootloader like grub for our phones so that we could install multiple os's and choose which one too boot at startup, although that might be easier to do starting from an android phone.
i think that if you want dual boot and all that junk, stick with a computer.
i would like an flashable android ROM to get rid of winMo for good.
i would donate also if it gets done.
When the G1 came out it was the only Android powered device so modding it worked for everybody. And it was just one brand, HTC, so this forum was a one stop destination for modding our phone.
However, things have changed, now there are multiple phone with incompatible hardware from different manufacturers. Now a custom rom made for the G1, won't work on a DROID for example and vise versa. This complicates things quite a bit.
Right now Cyanogen mods are the best thing for our G1 and maybe the best thing for Android as a whole. I'm used to the build in tether capability and apps to SD and compcace and the other perks of a modded rom. But if I wanted to upgrade my phone, I would lose it all.
There are no Cyanogen mod for anything other than G1 and myTouch phones as far as I know and if I were to upgrade to DROID, I would lose root, lose tether, lose apps to SD, lose everything about my phone that makes it my phone.
Everything I wrote may not be facts, I don't really know what goes on at other forums, but I know that we don't have roms build to run on the DROID and we don't have them built to run on the HERO hardware, it's all for G1 and myTouch, and it seems to me that if I don't ha.ve on of those phones, I lose everything.
I do understand that this forum is for HTC devices which DROID and a few other's are not which is why I don't see homebrew for them. Is there a another website similar to this that supports all Android hardware?
These are thoughts that have been running through my head lately. If I am totally wrong here, please let me know.
I would say check out websites such as androidcommunity.com, androidandme.com, phandroid.com. The developers might not be on there but you can probably find links to where there are custom roms for the phones.
And you are right about different phones having different development oppurtunities. I thought about this today and realized that the next android phone I get not only has to be what I want but also be a popular phone that will attract developers such as cyan, maxisma, jac, manup and everyone else. My best guess and hope is that it will be a snapdragon android handset, hopefully for T-Mobile USA.
What we'll end up having to do is pick our phones based on it's community support and what kind of home brew is available for it.
The reason I love the G1 is the fact that it's rooted and has a large community. This phone is the best on the market, all things considered, because the rooted OS allows so much.
If and when the Droid is rooted, when a GSM version is released, and when it has T-Mo's 3G bands, I will move to it. But all those may not happen for another year or more. If you haven't played with a Droid yet, do so. Incredible speed and the best screen I have ever seen on a phone. Till then, G1 all the way.
The man is right, we have a problem on the dev side.
I think though, once 2.0 gets standard, we'll only need root for a few things like tethering and setting the CPU clock. Really cyanogen's only advantage is optimization, but once 2.0 and snapdragon rolls around, who cares? We'll always want to tinker, but it won't eclipse getting the phone you want.
The big problems right now are that the market isn't getting what it needs. Nothing compares to the HTC widgets, yet instead of cloning them on the market, we try and run a ROM that doesn't even work on our phones! We still don't have BT in Hero and it may just never happen.
2.0 will be what we need as a base, but the market needs our help now.
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Thanks but this thread is not about who has the best rom.
The point is, when you get a new Android phone, your rom of choice won't be available for it. So what do you do?
alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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I think we all get it already, YOU are dwang's biggest fan
But, to stay on topic. My G1 is the first HTC device I've ever owned and I've only discovered XDA since I've had it, and I think that because of the community involvement here and the custom roms that have come out, I will definitely lean towards another HTC phone when I look for my next upgrade, and it will definately be an android phone.
Also another thing to look at is the availability of the phones that are out to actual dev's. Unless people are donating phones, I doubt everyone can just run out and pick up all the latest devices, and network restrictions/preferences that come along with them.
I think the easiest solution is as follows:
1. Find the dev you like best.
2. Find the phone you like best.
3. Buy phone you like best.
4. Buy/Create a donate link to get said dev the same phone.
Assuming said dev doesnt turn around and craigslist the phone you bought him/her, you have (hopefully) ensured said dev will migrate and develop on your favorite hardware.
Not the best solution but probably the most reliable.
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I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.
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Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.
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For real.
Alec, you're like the little annoying brother that no one wants to be around.
Grow up, let your balls drop, and enjoy your phone, your life, and whatever rom you want.
But, you don't have to go around dissing well-respected devs.
The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
Anyway...
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I want to acknowledge cyanogen, daproy, cyrowski, loccy, and alla for their contributions to the android community.
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It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.
AthlonBoy said:
The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
Anyway...
It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.
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You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?
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You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?
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Beats me, man. I'm not a developer. But I think it's unlikely.
For the DROID (and other/future android phones) is Apps2SD really necessary? The only reason why we need it on our phones is because of the pathetic amount of internal space the G1 has, the same goes for Swap Partitions etc.
As long as people buy the phone there is always going to be someone who is smart enough to work on rooting it IMO. And even without root what do you really lose? The only things I think I would really miss are Wireless Tether and Bluetooth File Transfer (Which I THINK is in 2.0 anyway).
I'm not buying a new phone until it's rooted and Cyanogen has it too.
My biggest requirement for any android phone..and any cell phone in general is the keyboard. I bought the G1 because of the keyboard and lucked out with the high number of developers available for it. I didn't find this place for several months during the time when the grandfather of the G1 mod program was still active =) JF!. I enjoyed all the modding and updating because I personally feel that the phone is, well mine. And I should be able to do what ever I want with it. I had picked up the V3C Razer because it could play MP3's. I get it home and then discover that the Verizon Nazi's completely locked down that feature so you where forced to use their service at an additional cost. Of course the motorola dev/repair/store software allowed us to get in a enable the various features that Verizon required to be locked. I also love the Aps2sd. No matter what phone you have, the internal memory will never be enough. And with the Cliq supporting 32gig sd cards, a full keyboard, and NOT verizon was enough for me. I'm patient and confident it will be rooted eventually. If not, I still have my G1 and I still do Cyanogen updates and play around with it. And when my contract is up with Tmob(renewed for the Cliq), I'll see who has the next most popular rooted phone with a keyboard and switch over. I just really hate people telling me how to use a device I own. Its like going to McDonalds and having them dictate what condiments to put on my BigMac and Fries, and then telling me I can only eat it a certain way and which hand to use. If Cyanogen was down with the Cliq, or interested in it. I may be willing to ship him my phone to see what he can come up with.
As far as a universal O/S for all phones, isn't that just the core Android software with specific drivers provided by each manufacturer and custom UI? There should be a way to make 1 O/S for all android phones, then have update packs with the drivers and UI enhancements and add-ons for each android phone released? Not sure of the SPL locks though. Thats a bit beyond me. But i wouldn't think it would be to hard to run Cyanogen on the Cliq or droid provided the correct drivers and such where bundled with it. Kind of like slipstreaming a service pack into a bootleg Windows OS . Each phone eventually has to release the source code which contains the drivers for that phone. Thats how we get the Cliq's OS onto the G1, should work the other way around too. Sounds easy, but Cyanogen's Rom should run on my Cliq, provided the drivers are slipstreamed into it for the Cliq...right? Only problem is root.. :/ hehehe
and there he flames again...alec.baldwin, no one has the problems you have with cyanogen's latest. actually, lets delve into this...what exactly are your "problems" with 4.2.5? PLEASE, answer this question so cyanogen can dutifully fix the "problems" you are having.
You might check out some of the Q/A threads to first learn how to properly flash cyanogen's ROM. It is slightly different than Dwang's because Cyanogen uses the legal method. In fact, check out www.cyanogenmod.com and you might find a ton of useful info on getting cm to work on your phone.
Best of Luck,
njuncos
P.S. Cyanogen, mad props on once again reaching over a million thread views on your latest. Now you own 3 of the top 4 most viewed threads of all time in Dream Android Development!
i am new to android. ive never had an android phone before.
will it be possible to upgrade android 1.6 to 2.0 eclair, in the same way its possible to install new roms on windows smartphones?
i ask this coz acer doesnt plan on making the liquid upgradeable to 2.0 any time soon, and i dont quite understand why.
if android is free and open source, whats the big deal about upgrading it? does 2.0 have specific hardware requirements that 1.6 phones don't have, in the same way wm 6.5 needed a windows button? is that the reason??
id love to get an acer liquid but the one thing thats stopping me is this whole android 2.0 issue.
im sure theres someone here knowledgeable on the subject- please enlighten me.
Just because Acer themselves don't plan on making Android 2.0 for the Liquid (this is news to me, btw), doesn't mean there won't BE an upgrade. You just might not see it on this forum, seeing as it's for HTC devices primarily.
BTW, WM6.5 does not require a Windows button. That's a very old requirement that Microsoft dropped ages ago.
If you look around the net you'll see that 2.0 or 2.1 is planned to be released in 2010.
For example, have a read at http://phandroid.com/2009/12/11/acer-liquid-a1-video-demo-getting-android-2-0-in-2010/
yes i saw that - but its not an official source. It just says 'it will start shipping with 2.0'
i also saw this on the net -
http://www.acerliquid.net/official-acer-response-to-android-2-0-support-and-other-questions
'The phone ships with Android 1.6, will it be possible to upgrade to Android 2
This is not planned at present.'
So who do i believe?
If the phone was going to have the android 2 upgrade, you'd have thought acer would make this information known asap, so people would buy it knowing it could be upgraded - like htc did with the touch diamond2.
the only reason you'd hide it is if you had other models in the pipeline with android 2.0. i've heard that for android 2.0 you'd need new drivers and things which is a big effort.
thoughts?
soon enough, this site will not be for HTC devices primarily
I'm afraid to inform folks, but i'm sure that soon enough this site is going to find itself the primary source for all android phone support and modifications regardless if they're HTC or not. This is the best place to get info/support/roms/etc and the natural consequence of that is evolving into supporting more than just htc phones. I suppose I would just say, why not add an acer liquid section? Seems rather arbitrary at this point to only focus on HTC; made sense some years ago, but not now.
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Just because Acer themselves don't plan on making Android 2.0 for the Liquid (this is news to me, btw), doesn't mean there won't BE an upgrade. You just might not see it on this forum, seeing as it's for HTC devices primarily.
BTW, WM6.5 does not require a Windows button. That's a very old requirement that Microsoft dropped ages ago.
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I'm afraid to inform folks, but i'm sure that soon enough this site is going to find itself the primary source for all android phone support and modifications regardless if they're HTC or not. This is the best place to get info/support/roms/etc and the natural consequence of that is evolving into supporting more than just htc phones. I suppose I would just say, why not add an acer liquid section? Seems rather arbitrary at this point to only focus on HTC; made sense some years ago, but not now.
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Sorry to disappoint you but that won´t happen
This has been discussed many many times before, and the answer still the same:
This is an HTC devices forum only
That is the decision of the owners of XDA
learn to accept facts unless forum community decided to ban all non htc post
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Sorry to disappoint you but that won´t happen
This has been discussed many many times before, and the answer still the same:
This is an HTC devices forum only
That is the decision of the owners of XDA
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A retarded decision.
there are many places out there
I like htc interface so i'll stick with htc and xda
I'm sure that by the time the Liquid is available, there will be a 2.0 upgrade and if not, I bet someone from xda or ppcgeeks will find a way to make an unofficial one.
what do you mean?? its available since december 8!! i have one since dec 16!!
I mean when it's available more worldwide. Hasn't been released yet in America and a few other places as far as I know of.
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I mean when it's available more worldwide. Hasn't been released yet in America and a few other places as far as I know of.
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Hope it comes out soon in America.
The Acer Liquid still looks very promising (e.g. faster than the Nexus One despite being underclocked).
The only sore point seems to be the lacking support from Acer.
i live in Colombia... just have to buy it via ebay
i'm just sayin
I'm just saying that people are gonna post questions here about android regardless of what the mods or site owners decide. This is the fallback resource for roms, mods, hacks, and general info. Its just the natural consequence of being awesome.
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I'm just saying that people are gonna post questions here about android regardless of what the mods or site owners decide. This is the fallback resource for roms, mods, hacks, and general info. Its just the natural consequence of being awesome.
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What IS the best forum/website for ROMs, hacks, etc. for the liquid and other non HTC android phones?
I tried to tell you guys
What did i just say like 3 posts above. You cannot argue with my logic that's why you're discussing adding neotouch and liquid to the roster up here. I suppose I just see in 3d while others in 2d.
I have no idea how this thread got so off topic... anyway, now that ther is an Acer Liquid section on XDA, here is some good news:
A user on modaco forums got a response from Acer Taiwan about android 2.1. Apparently Acer liquid users should see Android 2.1 released as an update for their phones in March!
Yay! (and here's hoping it actually happens!! )
When it comes to Acer I doubt anything will actually happen.
Acers support is 100% pure ****.
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When it comes to Acer I doubt anything will actually happen.
Acers support is 100% pure ****.
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they were right with the kernel release... "end of january"... still delivered something not very good
Someone knows if you have got 1Gb ROM hidden the hd2? or are you working for finding the "hidden ROM"?(if the phone has got it). Sorry for my english
Greetings yo all
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Someone knows if you have got 1Gb ROM hidden the hd2? or are you working for finding the "hidden ROM"?(if the phone has got it). Sorry for my english
Greetings yo all
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That's almost like asking: "anyone found god somewhere?"
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That's almost like asking: "anyone found god somewhere?"
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hehehe made my day. But to answer the original poster, no.
Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.
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Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.
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While I am loath to think that HTC would do something like this, Intel does it all the time...
...so it's not unheard of...
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While I am loath to think that HTC would do something like this, Intel does it all the time...
...so it's not unheard of...
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There is nothing loathsome about it, HTC published the specs and we paid the money, it isn't like they delivered an inferior product to what they claimed.
In fact... they gave us more for the price we paid and if it is actually 1GB of ROM... well oh boy, triple booting WM6.6, Android and Maemo anyone?
i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange. Surely it took them more time and resources to try and hide that extra 128mb ram instead of just releasing it with its full compliment.
Maybe t-mobile usa made an agreement with HTC just prior to the original relase in the eu so they could have what appears to be a superior unit.
At that point, instead of changing the manufacturing process and parts (thus costing them more money to reorder different nand chips) they just software crippled the EU version so the usa Model looked better on release.
The mind boggles lol!
@Beastage - I like the way you think ;-) im just holding out patiently for the awesome devs here to crack the hard ole task of booting Anroid onto the HD2 (fingers crossed when the HTC Bravo **im pretty sure it was the bravo at least lol** is released, someone will rip the rom from that and possibly port it over, seein as the bravo appears to basically be a reworked HD2 eh. 0_0 )
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There is nothing loathsome about it, HTC published the specs and we paid the money, it isn't like they delivered an inferior product to what they claimed.
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I guess you're an uneducated bumpkin who thinks "loath" and "loathe" have the same meaning.
I said: "[...] I am loath to think that HTC would [...]".
What this merely meant was that I was reluctant to think that HTC would put hardware in a device, and then lock the use of said hardware out in software, due to the fact I don't like this practice.
I have no problems with the specs I paid for, nor do I have a problem with the specs changing for the T-Mobile HD2, the only problem I have is with them advertising one set of specs, delivering a device with hardware in excess of the specs, and then making the software make the hardware appear to be in-line with the advertised specs.
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i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange. Surely it took them more time and resources to try and hide that extra 128mb ram instead of just releasing it with its full compliment.
Maybe t-mobile usa made an agreement with HTC just prior to the original relase in the eu so they could have what appears to be a superior unit.
At that point, instead of changing the manufacturing process and parts (thus costing them more money to reorder different nand chips) they just software crippled the EU version so the usa Model looked better on release.
The mind boggles lol!
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"Crippling" implies it was intentionally... they may just have run out of development time for the product and needed to release it without the additional memory address registers for the full RAM to be utilised. Between the Euro launch and USA launch they are releasing new firmware and radio's and because of this we are able to access the additional RAM (2.02 ROM and 2.06 Radio)
Alternatively maybe they were having confliction somewhere when the extra RAM was addressed so they chose to limit it to a stable amount to make sure the HD2 release went on time in Europe/Asia... and therefore I suppose that could be classed as crippling the device but also making it stable.
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Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.
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I didn't intend to shot the OP down. I think it's a rather metaphysical question at the moment. But at this point I want to declare myself agnostic. I don't see the point of not asking questions about the hidden ghost in our machines, but I don't embrase them either.
I'm happy with my device as it is... but, on the other hand, the more the better of cause
It's a rather philosophical question about the attitude towards technology. I like Heideggers standpoint on this: we should say yes and no to it (lol, speaking of off-topic reactions...)
im deffinatley with you on that one appleflap ;-)
the more i can squeeze out of this device the better ;-)
fingers crossed with whats going on, it seems to be a good year for the hd2!
1: 576 ram instead of 448
2: possible 1gb rom instead of 512
3: full n spec wireless
4: possible fm transmitter
5: android at some point
6: WM 7
God it feels like christmas came early lol
if i were htc executive i will talk to ms whether 512mb ram enough for wm7 or not. then ms will say to me wm7 needs 1gb ram . so htc please make device to support ms coz i want many peop;e to use my products. hows this? u think htc executive is stupid?
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if i were htc executive i will talk to ms whether 512mb ram enough for wm7 or not. then ms will say to me wm7 needs 1gb ram . so htc please make device to support ms coz i want many peop;e to use my products. hows this? u think htc executive is stupid?
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No, I don't think "htc executive" is stupid, but that's not how business works. They'd be more likely to sell us something now that will not run WM7, so that we have to buy something else at the end of the year that will support it. Don't forget, by the time WM7 comes out the HD2 will have been out for about a year. If there is 1GB of ROM there (and I really, really don't think there is, but would love to be wrong), I seriously doubt it's got anything to do with WM7.
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No, I don't think "htc executive" is stupid, but that's not how business works. They'd be more likely to sell us something now that will not run WM7, so that we have to buy something else at the end of the year that will support it. Don't forget, by the time WM7 comes out the HD2 will have been out for about a year. If there is 1GB of ROM there (and I really, really don't think there is, but would love to be wrong), I seriously doubt it's got anything to do with WM7.
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But then again, htc could not be stupid in another way. Maybe their strategy is as follows: bring a powerful device on the market (most powerful at the current moment) and reveal more horsepower when the competitors are coming with their answers. I think that is marketing strategy that could really work. Especially when you've created a broad user-base for a particular device.
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i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange.
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That might be far-fetched, but *could* have to do with taxing. In certain countries in Europe, like mine, digital devices are taxed on the amount of memory they hold. The tax amount is pretty high as well, and since this was introduced the majority of MP3 players and phones have gone the "small onboard memory with memory card slot" way, sometimes even bundling them with a memory card to get around the tax...
So this could be related, keeping the amount of memory under X allowing to either avoid the tax in the said countries, or at least stay below a certain tax level...
When they introduced it, it more or less killed the home set-top DVD recorders with HDD, as for example the price for a 250GB model that would cost $300 (before tax) was taxed an insane extra $100...
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But then again, htc could not be stupid in another way. Maybe their strategy is as follows: bring a powerful device on the market (most powerful at the current moment) and reveal more horsepower when the competitors are coming with their answers. I think that is marketing strategy that could really work. Especially when you've created a broad user-base for a particular device.
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These are all relevant arguments, and they all have up-sides and down-sides. For example, how unhappy would you be if after having a HD2 for say 8 months, HTC turn round and say "Here... run this. It will double your ROM size." Although you'd be grateful, I bet you'd be annoyed too, remembering all those times you were nearly out of storage space, insisting on not installing marketplace apps and having to manually move caches to your storage card!
Let's simply agree that business decisions very rarely make sense to the people they actually affect.
u all know, that there will be 2 versions of the WM7.. one business and one multimedia.. i think, when the WM7 comes out, then we get just the business bcs. it will not need so many space, and the 1GB version gets the multimedia.. we will see..
PS: when u look on the PSP u see.. when it came out, the CPU was?? and now?
some of you keep saying that the EU models shipped with the hidden ram that the usa version has, does this mean that the asian versions do not have the extra ram hidden away?
thanks
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some of you keep saying that the EU models shipped with the hidden ram that the usa version has, does this mean that the asian versions do not have the extra ram hidden away?
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it has the hidden ram are in hd2 worldwide version and it was first discovered in an asian hd2 just flash the proper radio and hav fun
READ YOUR HOMEWORK PEOPLE http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/06...kers-with-legal-action-for-distributing-roms/
I guess I know what i'll be downloading all day till I got work
That's for Windows Mobile.
hTC can't stop anyone distributing AOSP ROMs, but they could throw the hammer down on distributing their Sense ROMS.
Because of all that nonsense (no pun intended ), I've commited myself to getting this. I'll be more than satisfied.
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Because of all that nonsense (no pun intended ), I've commited myself to getting this. I'll be more than satisfied.
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Man, i think you're not getting tired of emphasise how good apple is. Please don't take it offensive, but why are you in this forum if you will buy / have bought an iPhone?
HTC is only one company of many building phones with Android. Whether you like Sense or not is your decision. G1 and MT3G (with google) were never intended to run with Sense. And no one can sue us for using AOSP ROM's. So i have no problem with it compared to apple, who will preselect the software for you...
Jailbreaking the iPhone isn't legal by the way...
PS: don't want to start an Apple/Android war, but leaving one company suing others for another company suing people since years and taking it for the reason why, seems a bit curious to me...
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Man, i think you're not getting tired of emphasise how good apple is. Please don't take it offensive, but why are you in this forum if you will buy / have bought an iPhone?
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He's been on a rampage with it.
On a better note: I don't think this will stop ROM development. Didn't xda go through the same thing, but HTC didn't care about the actual developed ROMs?
Edit: Can't find anything to support that. :/ Remember reading it somewhere - might have been bs, but I swear it was on xda news.
HTC threatens handset hackers with legal action - WORST MISTAKE EVER
HTC is seriously making a mistake with that one.
Ive only been satisfied with my purchase of anything they have come with AFTER flashing a Rom into it.
If this continues I promise you they will regret it.
They will lose customers that WILL choose to go to other manufacturers.
The Devs and all who create on a constant basis are not hackers.
They innovate to make HTC a better phone than the competitors because of the work that are done by these fine people.
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HTC is seriously making a mistake with that one.
Ive only been satisfied with my purchase of anything they have come with AFTER flashing a Rom into it.
If this continues I promise you they will regret it.
They will lose customers that WILL choose to go to other manufacturers.
The Devs and all who create on a constant basis are not hackers.
They innovate to make HTC a better phone than the competitors because of the work that are done by these fine people.
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But they didn't take it down because of them being custom ROMs. They were all just the basic stock ROMs that came with the phone. Honestly, there's not much of a difference as both custom and stock contain IP. However, I think they would've taken down xda a long time ago if they were worried about custom ROMs.
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Honestly, there's not much of a difference as both custom and stock contain IP.
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There is a HUGE difference between stock and Custom Rom, anyone that has ever flashed a Rom will tell you this.
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However, I think they would've taken down xda a long time ago if they were worried about custom ROMs
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A similar C&D almost stopped the progression of a certain legendary Dev on the android scene.
Luckily, there was a workaround and everyone was happy flashing and seeing for themselves how much better our phones have been on a customized, fast and stable Rom.
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There is a HUGE difference between stock and Custom Rom, anyone that has ever flashed a Rom will tell you this.
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Are you serious? So you're telling me all HTC widgets involved in a sense ROM aren't IP? Or Google Apps included in most ROMs aren't IP? Google Maps? Market? Anything? That's actually pretty funny. No THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between a stock ROM and a custom ROM on the IP subject with the exception of JUST a few. Like.... 2 or 3? Do you even know what intellectual property is?
A similar C&D almost stopped the progression of a certain legendary Dev on the android scene.
Luckily, there was a workaround and everyone was happy flashing and seeing for themselves how much better our phones have been on a customized, fast and stable Rom.
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And no, the similar C&D did NOT almost stop ROM development. If that was the case, NO ROM would come with Google Apps included. However, they DO, and are they are NOT getting C&Ds. If you think Google isn't looking at XDA to see what's happening, you need to start thinking a bit more.
Edit: Also, not every ROM is based off of cyanogen. While there are A LOT that are, not ALL are.
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Are you serious? So you're telling me all HTC widgets involved in a sense ROM aren't IP? Or Google Apps included in most ROMs aren't IP? Google Maps? Market? Anything? That's actually pretty funny. No THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between a stock ROM and a custom ROM on the IP subject with the exception of JUST a few. Like.... 2 or 3? Do you even know what intellectual property is?
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Not everyone even cares about widgets. I only use the calendar one for example. Widgets are not the issue, we are talking about Roms overall because if HTC starts implementing a stricter enforcement of people not having the ability to use or host the Rom of their choice and preventing Devs to freely distribute their work then we are all held mercy to whatever HTC has pre-installed from the factory. A major FAIL for them.
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And no, the similar C&D did NOT almost stop ROM development. If that was the case, NO ROM would come with Google Apps included. However, they DO, and are they are NOT getting C&Ds. If you think Google isn't looking at XDA to see what's happening, you need to start thinking a bit more.
Edit: Also, not every ROM is based off of cyanogen. While there are A LOT that are, not ALL are.
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Google knows its in their best interest to keep letting everyone that wants to flash a custom Rom. Some people buy specific phones (the past phones of mine as well) only if they are rooted or can install a custom SPL and flash their flavor of a Rom. The Cyanogen reference was an example not for every case, we are aware of the Windows Mobile, etc sections of xda.
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Not everyone even cares about widgets. I only use the calendar one for example. Widgets are not the issue, we are talking about Roms overall because if HTC starts implementing a stricter enforcement of people not having the ability to use or host the Rom of their choice and preventing Devs to freely distribute their work then we are all held mercy to whatever HTC has pre-installed from the factory. A major FAIL for them.
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You're not continuing what you originally said. You said there's a huge difference between a custom ROM and a stock ROM. Now, this statement should have been based on IP terms, as this is clearly what the topic is supposed to be about. My point is that IP is still included in any ROM. It doesn't matter what you use - that is completely irrelevant to the subject matter. They clearly are not enforcing all little bits of IP. If that was the case, as I've said multiple times, xda wouldn't be here right now. HTC is WELL AWARE along with Microsoft and Google of what goes on here. I promise you they pay once lucky bastard to sit here and probe this site, along with others, all day everyday and flag anything they see unfit. The main thing they seem to not like is ROM libraries. That's just from my experience.
To sum this up" We are NOT at mercy of what is pre-installed from factory or they would have sent out much more C&D letters much sooner than this. XDA has over 2 MILLION users. That's all I'm saying.
Google knows its in their best interest to keep letting everyone that wants to flash a custom Rom. Some people buy specific phones (the past phones of mine as well) only if they are rooted or can install a custom SPL and flash their flavor of a Rom. The Cyanogen reference was an example not for every case, we are aware of the Windows Mobile, etc sections of xda.
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Best interest? Are you serious, bro? Android is marketed as an open-source platform. That's not in their "best interest." It's in their intents! The unrootable is because of cell phone carriers! Guess what?! The Dream came out as a Development phone! The Google ION (more commonly the myTouch 3g)? Development phone! The cyanogenmod reference was taken for what it was - an C&D from GOOGLE! NOT HTC!
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You're not continuing what you originally said. You said there's a huge difference between a custom ROM and a stock ROM. Now, this statement should have been based on IP terms, as this is clearly what the topic is supposed to be about. My point is that IP is still included in any ROM. It doesn't matter what you use - that is completely irrelevant to the subject matter. They clearly are not enforcing all little bits of IP. If that was the case, as I've said multiple times, xda wouldn't be here right now. HTC is WELL AWARE along with Microsoft and Google of what goes on here. I promise you they pay once lucky bastard to sit here and probe this site, along with others, all day everyday and flag anything they see unfit. The main thing they seem to not like is ROM libraries. That's just from my experience.
To sum this up" We are NOT at mercy of what is pre-installed from factory or they would have sent out much more C&D letters much sooner than this. XDA has over 2 MILLION users. That's all I'm saying.
Best interest? Are you serious, bro? Android is marketed as an open-source platform. That's not in their "best interest." It's in their intents! The unrootable is because of cell phone carriers! Guess what?! The Dream came out as a Development phone! The Google ION (more commonly the myTouch 3g)? Development phone! The cyanogenmod reference was taken for what it was - an C&D from GOOGLE! NOT HTC!
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Thanks for giving that one guy the heads up on what goes on and what doesnt go on around here if he indeed does exist. If theres anything we dont need is anyone giving them more fuel to thier fire.
No one said the C&D came from HTC, seeing as you are a reader on xda I knew I didnt have to explain this to you. hahaha. It is in Google's best interest to let the Devs continue thier greatness because guess what many would jump ship to Windows Mobile devices or other OS including the iPhone even though there are not Roms for it I believe. If Android Development was not allowed to continue, at least most people would stop buying Android powered phones I believe.
Yawn........ time for bed now.
Why are you all under the assumption that the majority of HTC sales all run off of custom firmware? Do you really believe that sales are going to be effected that much because of HTC's decision?
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No one said the C&D came from HTC
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Did you even read the article? If you are referring to the one cyanogen got, I never said it did. Seeing as you are just a reader (not) I didn't have to explain this to you. But I did. Please, if you're going to try and get a point across, respect me enough to actually read what I said.
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Thanks for giving that one guy the heads up on what goes on and what doesnt go on around here if he indeed does exist. If theres anything we dont need is anyone giving them more fuel to thier fire.
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I had to edit this is. Really? Have you been snorting cocaine or something? That's pretty damn paranoid. If you don't think that happens, you just need to get off the internet as that's just basic knowledge. If you were HTC, would you not watch us? If you wouldn't - stay out of sales forever.
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Why are you all under the assumption that the majority of HTC sales all run off of custom firmware? Do you really believe that sales are going to be effected that much because of HTC's decision?
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I'm not under that assumption; I take you include me in the all. I just stated that at least this won't affect custom ROMs and he went on about how custom ROMs are so different and don't contain IP. That's what I've been trying to get across in all my posts. And no, I don't think their sales will be affected .
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Did you even read the article? If you are referring to the one cyanogen got, I never said it did. Seeing as you are just a reader (not) I didn't have to explain this to you. But I did. Please, if you're going to try and get a point across, respect me enough to actually read what I said.
I had to edit this is. Really? Have you been snorting cocaine or something? That's pretty damn paranoid. If you don't think that happens, you just need to get off the internet as that's just basic knowledge. If you were HTC, would you not watch us? If you wouldn't - stay out of sales forever.
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You're still on what I said?
Get over it and realize not everyone is going to agree with you or your thoughts.
The one on drugs is YOU, damn get out of the forums and do something else with your time man. hahaha
That's why its a forum and NOT your personal website.
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You're still on what I said?
Get over it and realize not everyone is going to agree with you or your thoughts.
The one on drugs is YOU, damn get out of the forums and do something else with your time man. hahaha
That's why its a forum and NOT your personal website.
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Any one with intelligence will tell you that 90% of custom ROMs contain IP. The fact that you are swearing up and down that they don't is just.... stupid.
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Any one with intelligence will tell you that 90% of custom ROMs contain IP. The fact that you are swearing up and down that they don't is just.... stupid.
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The fact of the matter is that without proprietary IP, you can't even start the thing up. There is more IP than just widgets, launchers, and apps... there are DRIVERS and other such buried nonsense.
SOME of this IP *IS* distributed, have a look at developer.htc.com -- HTC eventually relented and opened their kernel modifications since they were committing a GPL violation, but there is other stuff on that page that is being distributed that IS proprietary IP, specifically, the "HTC Proprietary Binaries for ADP1". And those binaries don't even include all the proprietary binaries needed to make full use of the phone, such as the GPU drivers and the video decoder drivers.
THANKFULLY, the phone's owner IS licensed to use all of those binaries, so they can just keep them. Note that they're also included in the FULL SYSTEM IMAGES that HTC ITSELF distributed from developer.htc.com.
*** and that is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the android platform and wimo.... the fact that HTC distributes ***all*** of the proprietary binaries straight from their website. It means that it ***IS*** possible to generate fully AOSP (but non-functional) system images, and the USER can combine them with the binaries provided by HTC to make a working system.
From what I've seen, HTC REALLY DOESN'T CARE and/or actually WANTS users to build custom roms for their phones. They send out the cease and desist order for distribution of wimo roms, PROBABLY in accordance with MS's demands. MS probably said to them -- "listen, you either try to put a lid on piracy or we're going to stop sending you MSTRASH." HTC distributes GOOGLE apps in the roms on their website because THAT'S WHAT GOOGLE WANTS.
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The fact of the matter is that without proprietary IP, you can't even start the thing up. There is more IP than just widgets, launchers, and apps... there are DRIVERS and other such buried nonsense.
SOME of this IP *IS* distributed, have a look at developer.htc.com -- HTC eventually relented and opened their kernel modifications since they were committing a GPL violation, but there is other stuff on that page that is being distributed that IS proprietary IP, specifically, the "HTC Proprietary Binaries for ADP1". And those binaries don't even include all the proprietary binaries needed to make full use of the phone, such as the GPU drivers and the video decoder drivers.
THANKFULLY, the phone's owner IS licensed to use all of those binaries, so they can just keep them. Note that they're also included in the FULL SYSTEM IMAGES that HTC ITSELF distributed from developer.htc.com.
*** and that is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the android platform and wimo.... the fact that HTC distributes ***all*** of the proprietary binaries straight from their website. It means that it ***IS*** possible to generate fully AOSP (but non-functional) system images, and the USER can combine them with the binaries provided by HTC to make a working system.
From what I've seen, HTC REALLY DOESN'T CARE and/or actually WANTS users to build custom roms for their phones. They send out the cease and desist order for distribution of wimo roms, PROBABLY in accordance with MS's demands. MS probably said to them -- "listen, you either try to put a lid on piracy or we're going to stop sending you MSTRASH." HTC distributes GOOGLE apps in the roms on their website because THAT'S WHAT GOOGLE WANTS.
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1. Didn't even think about all that.
2. That's exactly what I thought. Microsoft is so scared of a lonely developer doing better than what their out-the-ass payed developers do. Honestly, why would the manufacturer of the phone give a damn what you do with it when you buy it? No matter what way you look at it: their task is to sell the phones they manufacture.