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Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
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joel2009 said:
Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
YES I DO HATE APPLE
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LOL never heard it the other way around like that before
oh, and t answer your question: no
did u fall into the iphone trap?
joel2009 said:
Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
YES I DO HATE APPLE
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Well, theoretically you could build your own phone that's 50 times faster than an iPhone, with 10 times the resolution and 100 times the storage. And ran WinMacOSXubuntuDos, all with neural interfacing - no touch required.
Anything's possible theoretically.
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Well, theoretically you could build your own phone that's 50 times faster than an iPhone, with 10 times the resolution and 100 times the storage. And ran WinMacOSXubuntuDos, all with neural interfacing - no touch required.
Anything's possible theoretically.
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LOL, didn't we have a whole thread about this? People started getting wild and started imagining all sorts of different things..like a nuclear powered phone that can double as a microwave..etc etc
Yes, but can it mow the lawn?
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Yes, but can it mow the lawn?
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You can use it to call someone to cut your grass for you though
hmm.. that makes me think if we might built our own customs... maybe sort of a pimp my phone customs?
kewl..
Seriously now, guys are having a hard ass time writing drivers for the video issues on the MSM7200 chipset devices. How do you realistically think porting the entire WM OS to a foreign device that you will have no device reference info to is possible. Theoretically yeah I guess, but realistically, well you know the rest of the sentence....
glad everyone is on the same page hahaha....... i must say though when i heard phones would be coming out with gHz chipsets now..... does anyone know exactly how the multi touch works, is it software or hardware that makes the difference. because the whole "finger only sensitive screen" isn't really that..... it responds to anything that is thicker as an input, so it probably has something to do with a lock on a certain range of size..... since all programs are input output and touch flow is now modifyable is there a way to write software or a driver for the multitouch?????
sorry to seem iintreged by the iphone, really i hate it and personally think the only real "new" thing it produced with the multi touch on a handheld devise. I mostly just don't like apple because they Ruin everything they create by being overprotective of there stuff..... thats my two cents for the day though......
Food for thought, is there an exchange rate on your thoughts or something cause people say a penny for your thoughts but i've always given my 2 cents
Joel
I have been told that multitouch requires a whole different type of screen.
I have aslo been told that there is a possibility that WM7 once released will be able to support multitouch; however, you will not be able to just put WM7 on any phone and have multitouch because our current screens cannot support it. There will have to be completely new devices.
I wonder if the HTC Touch HD will be able to support it though.
i imagine one day our ppc will replace a p4 desktop able to output xvid video quality to tv
able to dl large gb files over the air at t1 speed and watch local tv anywhere around the world.
iPhone has a capacitive screen as opposed to the resistive screens on HTC devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
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iPhone has a capacitive screen as opposed to the resistive screens on HTC devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
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good refrence hambola
i understands how the touch screens differ now, but if there is a way to program "actions" such as swiping a finger is there not also a way the write a piece of software that could then some how measure the size of the objet pressing on it? can we better control the "smartness" of our screens?
i no the type of screen our htc phone can only register one point because of the way it litterallly registers though the contact of two plates and just gets confused by a large object, but is there a way to assign an object to that confusion?
I think this should be off-topic....
yeah probably but i really have no idea how to move it... and itskinda development and hacking or atleast about it
mods are welcome to move it
And in front of hundreds of android devs they stated their reasoning for not supporting it is because there is no hardware that properly supports it. The Dream panel for eg has a flawed method of multi-touch (this qwe know).
So there it is. Until the hardware comes out, no multi-touch for you.
Cheers
Leon
Regarding custom firmware: one of the google panelists, whose name escapes me, would be happy to see being able to load custom firmware and factory firmware alongside each other.. interesting to see.
And most important of all XDA developers got a shout out by the panel though they are worried we may be returning bricked phones to stores under warranty.
The real reason is that apple holds patent on this multitouch stuff and google don't wanna pay for this.
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The real reason is that apple holds patent on this multitouch stuff and google don't wanna pay for this.
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about that the pre is still coming out and the main reason is because they share board members thats bad and good for business as they would not want to effect there pay checks ar apple
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The real reason is that apple holds patent on this multitouch stuff and google don't wanna pay for this.
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Mind showing proof?
http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/01/26/apple-awarded-multi-touch-patent/
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http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7479949
I highly doubt apples magic gesture patent would hold water in a court of law. It seems almost like a flexing of muscles, by a frightened body-builder who is in no shape to fight the competition.
patent laws are pretty cut and dry. this is what happens when a google ceo is on apples board of directors
I think Android doesn't really need multitouch. JF's multitouch browser is nowhere near as good as say, the iPhone's Multitouch implementation. I liked the look of that Circular Zoom that was demoed on the Magic a while back.
The Android team has already said if someone makes a public API for it, they will consider adding it to the official release. At the moment, the multi-touch JF et al have are more hacks then anything else. The Android team (probably) don't have the time to add full blown multi-touch support + api.
Afaik, Apple's patent is for specific gestures only, but it would never hold up if contested. MS has been showing off surface well before iPhone and there have been other people working on multi-touch for years now.
Even if this was implemented into the G1, it would still be to slow to run on this thing. Heck , it has a hard time running the browser alone.
i agree that the wheel zoom on the magic that was demoed months ago is cool. i also agree we dont need multi touch zoom or any other type as long as we have what we do now. i like the implentation thus far. still think its shady that we have people in both companies on the board of directors, CORRUPTION starts here. (lets hope not).
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i agree that the wheel zoom on the magic that was demoed months ago is cool. i also agree we dont need multi touch zoom or any other type as long as we have what we do now. i like the implentation thus far. still think its shady that we have people in both companies on the board of directors, CORRUPTION starts here. (lets hope not).
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Agreed to competing companies should not be in bed together there getting investigated now for this that another reason why they come out with stuff for apple before andriod
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Even if this was implemented into the G1, it would still be to slow to run on this thing. Heck , it has a hard time running the browser alone.
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Well I read that the iPhone 3G's internal processor speed is only at 412 MHz. Whereas, the G1 is 245-384 (depending on load) and you can overclock it to it's superior speed of 528MHz (which is what it's advertised at)
Also the iPhone holds 128MB of memory.. I believe the G1 has 192MB (i think.. I may be wrong)
I don't see why it would be that much slower. Mine doesnt have a hard time running the browser at all
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Mine doesnt have a hard time running the browser at all
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But you weren't downloading porn in your browser ...
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Also the iPhone holds 128MB of memory.. I believe the G1 has 192MB (i think.. I may be wrong)
I don't see why it would be that much slower. Mine doesnt have a hard time running the browser at all
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Actually 192 is correct, but misleading: Half of this is actually reserved for the radio! The most the Linux kernel EVER CAN SEE, is 93 megabytes! This is the real problem with the G1 and Magic right now; too many apps running (or the memory hogging browser) and the non-foreground one(s) get terminated due to lack of memory.
Ever wonder why your ConnectBot session dies? Why StreamFurious may randomly stop while browsing? This is why!
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Well I read that the iPhone 3G's internal processor speed is only at 412 MHz. Whereas, the G1 is 245-384 (depending on load) and you can overclock it to it's superior speed of 528MHz (which is what it's advertised at)
Also the iPhone holds 128MB of memory.. I believe the G1 has 192MB (i think.. I may be wrong)
I don't see why it would be that much slower. Mine doesnt have a hard time running the browser at all
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But iPhone has Gigs of memory for apps and the rest.
Also, I thought their CPU was actually a 620 MHz ARM underclocked to 412 MHz.
While I agree that multitouch would be a bit useless in the browser, there are many application possibilities that would benefit from the use of multitouch. I'd love to have tap tap revolution playing on my G1, just not possible without multitouch.
Also the g1 is runs apps behind a vm while the iphone apps are compiled to run directly on the processor, or at least how i understand it.
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Also the g1 is runs apps behind a vm while the iphone apps are compiled to run directly on the processor, or at least how i understand it.
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Thats the tradeoff android made to support multi platforms.
"The response of Windows Mobile 6.5 as presented by XPERIA X2 is not that good as we expected from the latest high-end smartphone of the company. There are noticeable and annoying lags at times, not to mention that scrolling in the new Windows "main menu" causes some visible screen re-rendering stutter as you move up and down. It seems the graphics subsytem needs tweaking or plainly put - more processing power. Perhaps that's understandable as only now did we find out that the XPERIA X2 runs on the same CPU as the X1." -GSMArena
and that's where the big FAIL comes in...
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and that's where the big FAIL comes in...
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I know but ... some people are trying to hide that fact and say that the phone is perfect with that processor.. There is absolutely no logic to that, and that is pissing me off.
I really anticipated a lot from this phone, the specs are SO disappointing.
These are upgrades that should have been in the first release =/
look... its still beta software...
hopefully sony can get it optimized... but i'm with you guys i dont think it'll ever be as fluid as other OS's.
oh well at least its WIMO... so there's a high possibility that the software will be ported back to x1
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oh well at least its WIMO... so there's a high possibility that the software will be ported back to x1
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that's true, and that would be a good thing. I'm only into the X2 because of its camera, and slightly larger screen.
If it ever drops to $400 or lower, I'd consider it.
Guys,
I wonder if Sony is going to pay Qualcomm for the video drivers this time around. Because if they're still sticking with the same POS chip and not pay for the driver....then it makes me wonder why Sony Ericsson still even exists. It's almost like a big slap in the face to anyone who stays loyal to SE. They think their consumer base will -always- buy whatever they throw at them, even if it's ****ty products.
Cheers.
someone in se camp is in trouble
Guess what - it's the good old 7200A that is the CPU of X2. And from what I read in gsmarena - there are plenty of lags around the UI and the video playback speed is far from superb (comparing to some other new devices). All in all, it's the old X1 with new look and camera. I don't think that's worth even considering as X1 upgrade. It's a strange thing SE is doing with this X2.
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Guess what - it's the good old 7200A that is the CPU of X2. And from what I read in gsmarena - there are plenty of lags around the UI and the video playback speed is far from superb (comparing to some other new devices). All in all, it's the old X1 with new look and camera. I don't think that's worth even considering as X1 upgrade. It's a strange thing SE is doing with this X2.
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They are learning from apple. The X4 update would have xenon flash
x2 has x1 cpu
Loved my X1 especially that nice screen and hires.....but after using the HTC magic, I can't go back, the speed and responsiveness overcomes my love of my X1.
I even flashed the X1 with the EnergyROM with 6.5 etc in an attempt to want to keep it, but just find it lagging, espically if you are doing something, then phone rings and your try to answer.....ARGH, it takes 3 seconds to finally answer.......
Sadly my X1 goes for sale next week, my Magic, flashed with the Hero ROM is snappy, and does just about everything I want it to (I miss Tom Tom )
Maybe the X5 will do it for Sony....
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"The response of Windows Mobile 6.5 as presented by XPERIA X2 is not that good as we expected from the latest high-end smartphone of the company. There are noticeable and annoying lags at times, not to mention that scrolling in the new Windows "main menu" causes some visible screen re-rendering stutter as you move up and down. It seems the graphics subsytem needs tweaking or plainly put - more processing power. Perhaps that's understandable as only now did we find out that the XPERIA X2 runs on the same CPU as the X1." -GSMArena
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I love my X1 and X2 is not much different, but I am hopeful new software will work fine on my X1.
I have read a lot of posts on how people feel about X1 and I think I am the only person who likes the panel interface . Anyway if the new panels are nice and slick and I can use them on my X1 I will be happy they made an X2, but for the camera and bigger screen alone I cannot pay for a new phone.
I haven't seen anything convincing to make me upgrade, and I am not sure about all the love that Android and iPhone products get, but for now I am sticking with WinMo. I got a lot of software I know and like. I suppose a slicker, full-featured OS would convince me, but iPhone is not full-feature, and I don't know about current Android software availability.
If there were an Android device with 850/1900Mhz HSDPA and a qwerty keyboard maybe I'd give it a shot, but until then X1 is king in my book.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=SonyEricsson X1i XPERIA&D2=SonyEricsson X2 XPERIA Vulcan
not too impressive :S
p.s. to get to the page copy paste the link as the forum breaks the url
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They are learning from apple. The X4 update would have xenon flash
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Fracking loled. Sadly, it is true.
Back to OP.
How can some people defend this mockery by SE is beyond me.
"It is still an early version", "The soft will be optimized", etc.
Use your brains folks. More power hungry hardware and software CANNOT run better on the same old parts. It is simple logic that even a 3 year old can understand...
I get that your expectations were for more and that you are disappointed. I felt the same way after TP2 came out. This is no reason to deny the obvious truth and be blind fanboys though.
This is just a laughable attempt of SE to earn lots of cash while providing the smallest number of upgrades. In other words, they want to spend less and gain huge ammounts. I am sorry, but people are not that stupid and those kind of tricks won't work.
This is actually worse than the TP2 and iPhail upgrades lol.
I think that the X1 with better processor and everything else the same would have been a far better "upgrade" than this joke. Keep your useless 8mpx camera and accelerometer and give us the 800mhz - 1ghz cpu. You fail SE. You fail more than Apple and that is something I thought no one could achieve......
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Fracking loled. Sadly, it is true.
Back to OP.
How can some people defend this mockery by SE is beyond me.
"It is still an early version", "The soft will be optimized", etc.
Use your brains folks. More power hungry hardware and software CANNOT run better on the same old parts. It is simple logic that even a 3 year old can understand...
I get that your expectations were for more and that you are disappointed. I felt the same way after TP2 came out. This is no reason to deny the obvious truth and be blind fanboys though.
This is just a laughable attempt of SE to earn lots of cash while providing the smallest number of upgrades. In other words, they want to spend less and gain huge ammounts. I am sorry, but people are not that stupid and those kind of tricks won't work.
This is actually worse than the TP2 and iPhail upgrades lol.
I think that the X1 with better processor and everything else the same would have been a far better "upgrade" than this joke. Keep your useless 8mpx camera and accelerometer and give us the 800mhz - 1ghz cpu. You fail SE. You fail more than Apple and that is something I thought no one could achieve......
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What a bull****.
It's absolutely more new stuff than Apple or TP2. Why do you make
these whining false statements.
I mean we would all welcome more and more, but why this whining.
None of you touched this even once.
So you also USE YOUR BRAIN.
Or this is too emotional for you....
Seems like orelsi wants to be the forum's conscience and bring us poor, misguided fanboys back to hard reality...
frive said:
Seems like orelsi wants to be the forum's conscience and bring us poor, misguided fanboys back to hard reality...
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Well he has many many valid points.
But other's have conscience as well.
orelsi and doministry both have really good points, but constantly arguing over it won't change anything.
the truth is:
Its a sexy new phone, of course there are some features that appeal and some that don't, but that doesn't change that its NEW or that its a SUCCESSOR.
Similar to the iphone 3GS, minor upgrades, but still popular around the world.
So we can just conclude it with a "Hey, that phone looks like my Xperia X1! I think..."
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What a bull****.
Or this is too emotional for you....
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Better look at your own posts. Those two sentences apply to them perfectly.
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Seems like orelsi wants to be the forum's conscience and bring us poor, misguided fanboys back to hard reality...
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Don't project your own desires on me.
I don't see you making any constructive comments anyway.
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So we can just conclude it with a "Hey, that phone looks like my Xperia X1! I think..."
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I can live with that .
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Better look at your own posts. Those two sentences apply to them perfectly.
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Sure I do look.
Ok, I will try to keep this short...I just thought this was kinda weird.....
I called to return my phone today, and when they asked if I had any other issues with it (besides the back cover not lining up with the phone) I said yes..and I described how the screen does not let you have two fingers on the same axis and gave them this example: when I was playing 'Prince of Persia' and it had the direction buttons on the lower left of the screen and across on the lower right of the screen were the other 'action buttons' and when I press both they either both do not work or only one will work. Now the rep said 'Oh, well that is because the nexus one does not have multi touch...it has pinch to zoom' ...in my mind I was like "wth?" haha, but is this just their excuse for the Synaptic touch sensor? It seems more as though they are trying to justify it instead of owning up to it...well my response was refering to the Htc incredible and the Supersonic which have new touch sensors that work better and I said I had wished the nexus one had the same...the rep said she was not aware of an update for the problem, but it is not out of the question...(I wondered if she realized I was talking about hardware not software, although hardware can be updated as well just not as easily...)...
Umm I'm not sure how much that tech actually knows, because I was playing a game on my N1....idr the name of it but it was a first-person shooter, and I was able to use the on-screen movement controls AND look around by dragging my finger across the screen at the same time.
I think that's because they are on two different horizontal axes.
N1 can detect TWO touch points at the same time, and thats according to the touch sensor manufacturer. I think the game, Prince of Persia, is not efficient enough for detecting two points at the same time. We should wait till 19th May and see what Google brings for gaming scene on android...
yeah the update is right around the corner, so i would be curious to see if it fixes that issue.
but i would not expect some customer service rep to know a damn thing about the Y-axis issue or what model the touch screen is synaptics clearpad 2000. you're giving them way too much credit. they just know it has pinch to zoom, and that's the end of it.
anyway that game should work OK using 2 touch points, but i havent tried it to know for sure. i have seen that there are other games that use 2 points and they work fine. i guess the game crosses the Y-axis is when it would not work, but i didnt know any type of those games exist yet. i admit it sucks that this limitation is present.
The error occurs if the two fingers are on the same axis ...i.e. horizontal / vertical from each other ...but if it is diagonal it should work...even slightly diagonal should work unless the two points get close to each others axis....this is not a software issue and I surely would love to see it fixed with a software update but I doubt this will be so...only time will tell.....now I would not blame it on Prince of Persia...check other games with the same control layout and see how it works...or even try something without the same layout and just use one control and touch your finger on the same axis of the control and you will see the error occur....
It sucks, a BRAND NEW 2010 phone, over $500....and yet cannot even use proper multitouch...even my old iphone 2g works better in the multitouch aspect....(sad and disappointing) ...it has all these nice specs but the multi touch aspect kills it for me...
People expecting the N1 to not have any quirks make me laugh
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People expecting the N1 to not have any quirks make me laugh
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/
If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
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Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/
If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
haha
yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
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I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
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I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
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well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...
disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day
just answer this...
wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?
I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
i can't think of two (one isn't really worth the think) reasons for a multi-touch sensor. pinch/zoom seems to work well for maps and pictures. not being a gamer means a good deal of drama is lost on me i suppose.
as far as the price of the n1, and being 'stuck' with the phone... that's laughable. anyone can sell their n1 TONIGHT on ebay or craigslist for 100% of what they paid for it from google, and then some in certain cases. smart phones co$t MONEY. beit an iphone, n1, n97, or whatever is going to be badass next summer. i _LIKE_ the idea of buying off contract, using a NO CONTRACT carrier, and selling/leaving when i want.
should a N1 come out for att/whoever without contract, with a sweet keyboard like the G1, i'd switch overnight. water proof ? i'm there. 12 mp camera with HD and a gig of rom space ? sweet.
this is more a rant thread than a progress in motion thread. if you feel you've been wronged or led by false advertising, sell your phone. get one that does everything you have to have. i don't recall anyone saying "holy **** it haz multi-touch i gotta haz it !!!!!" when the n1 was released.
that was much longer than i expected. shoulda just said "lol" and left it.
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
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When I said made with quality, I was saying how much quality are put into Android's games. I was referring nothing to hardware issues.
Most Android games (to me) are horrible little 2D games that get boring in a few minutes. I don't even really "want" to play them, so therefore I don't need a complicated multi touch system until 'quality' games are made. Games that are worth playing for more than a few seconds, sadly to say, iPhone type games. Google is trying, though.
The only application that "plays" the games I want to play is GameBoid, where the multi-touch works perfectly. I can hold down a directional input, along with B, or A, and reform actions that result in those two presses perfectly. Such as running.
You seem to love to whine though, you did pay a lot for this phone though, I guess I would be pissed if this really mattered to me as well. Right now I'm like "whatever, who cares". It does what I want..
I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is no
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well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...
disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day
just answer this...
wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?
I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
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I've owned so many phones in my life, and every single one of them had some type of issue, defect, missing feature, or whatever. if the only complaint about the nexus is this one minor issue, than I say its a winner.
great so the original iPhone could do it, but it couldn't do pics with a flash, or copy/paste, or mms. so what scenario is better/worse? I say the nexus is the better situation by leaps and bounds.
if this issue is important to you then you should switch phones. for me its not that important. my Nokia n97 had a faulty camera lens issue that scratched itself when opening. every phone has its quirks. if the nexus ones quirk is this Y axis issue, then I proclaim we all are winners with such a minor issue.
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days
or wait MMS?
hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?
even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
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and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days
or wait MMS?
hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?
even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
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lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....
haha damn, this IS becomming a 'rant' thread...sorry on my behalf for that didn't mean for it to come to that ...I am irritating myself right now with this thread... I just wanted to bring up what the rep had said it was kind of odd to hear that....but the issue she was referring to is something that bugs me..
Now in reference to the gba emulator comment, I haven't tried it but the SNES emu works fine (it has the directional pad diagonally across from the buttons, so it does not suffer from the so called 'y axis' error)
BTW I have some Nexus Cases, anyone interested ?
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
haha
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Well, go get the best you can get for your money, i guess. Some people are satisfied with their nexus ones (nexii?)
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lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....
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The iphone and the nexus are not competitors, strictly speaking. The devices are competing in different classes. If you feel that they are, you could probably do some research, which would give you a good idea of how they compare.
Less ranting please.
Ok, by now everyone here should have had time to play with a WP7 right? Have you noticed how responsive the WP7 screen is to touch? It's so smooth and responsive. It's almost like the screen wants to move faster than your finger...
My question is, Why isn't Android like this? And when will it be like this, if ever?
Android obviously has some lag in that department. I can't imagine it's a hardware issue being that HTC is building most of the WP7 devices.
If WP7 and iPhone can do it, why can't we?
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Ok, by now everyone here should have had time to play with a WP7 right? Have you noticed how responsive the WP7 screen is to touch? It's so smooth and responsive. It's almost like the screen wants to move faster than your finger...
My question is, Why isn't Android like this? And when will it be like this, if ever?
Android obviously has some lag in that department. I can't imagine it's a hardware issue being that HTC is building most of the WP7 devices.
If WP7 and iPhone can do it, why can't we?
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Reason: HW/GPU acceleration.
When: Maybe/Probably Honeycomb.
I agree with you, I said the same thing. Man your battle station because fanboys are going to hit you hard.
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generalExpert said:
Ok, by now everyone here should have had time to play with a WP7 right? Have you noticed how responsive the WP7 screen is to touch? It's so smooth and responsive. It's almost like the screen wants to move faster than your finger...
My question is, Why isn't Android like this? And when will it be like this, if ever?
Android obviously has some lag in that department. I can't imagine it's a hardware issue being that HTC is building most of the WP7 devices.
If WP7 and iPhone can do it, why can't we?
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Because Android's top priority isn't the perfect user experience. It's all about bringing ad money in from phone ads.
thetakara said:
Because Android's top priority isn't the perfect user experience. It's all about bringing ad money in from phone ads.
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Is this your opinion?...
Award Tour said:
Reason: HW/GPU acceleration.
When: Maybe/Probably Honeycomb.
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Is this (HW/GPU Acceleration) something that can only be accomplished by google, or can the devs here do it too?
generalExpert said:
Is this (HW/GPU Acceleration) something that can only be accomplished by google, or can the devs here do it too?
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Way to complicated for devs.
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Is this your opinion?...
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It's his opinion of course.
My opinion: Android was originally built to compete with BB OS (if you look at early photos of Android it was more BB OS like: track ball/pad dependent, crappy menu'ing system, etc.). iOS soon came out and became a success; Android was then forced to adapt to a new style. HW acceleration was probably not in their plans at first and even when it became an issue/important, they needed to adapt Android's core to compete with iOS and just be a touch friendly OS in general. Honeycomb seems to be the update that levels out the experience/Android as a more touch friendly, iOS aligned OS - HW acceleration, less HW button dependence, eliminating/minimizing the menu'ing system, etc.
Is honeycomb only for tablets? Why have I been reading on Engadget that honeycomb is only going to be for tablets?
I hope not...
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Is honeycomb only for tablets? Why have I been reading on Engadget that honeycomb is only going to be for tablets?
I hope not...
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Its all speculation.
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generalExpert said:
Is honeycomb only for tablets? Why have I been reading on Engadget that honeycomb is only going to be for tablets?
I hope not...
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I don't think anyone has specifically said that Honeycomb is also for phones; I've only heard that what you see on Honeycomb is the direction that Android is heading for in the future which includes phones. So you'll probably see a lot of the features (the ones that are able to scale down to phones) like HW acceleration, UI tweaks, etc. on a future Android update. Rumor is that update is ice cream and is coming in the spring/summer.
A good sign of that is the new Sony Arc phone. There's been screen shots of it running 2.4 and one thing that stood out like crazy was the inclusion of a super wide screen display that seems to include in display software buttons for Home, back, etc. - just like in Honeycomb.
I was just wondering about this myself, here's the Issue on the AOSP project home.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914
Long story short, google thinks more powerful hardware will take care of the issue for it, and improved garbage collection will increase "smoothness." If you disagree post on that thread, I did
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I was just wondering about this myself, here's the Issue on the AOSP project home.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914
Long story short, google thinks more powerful hardware will take care of the issue for it, and improved garbage collection will increase "smoothness." If you disagree post on that thread, I did
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Its an incredibly stupid solution and will lead to more cpu usage for something that a weak gpu like the evo's could take care of at a lower cost.
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bitter much? do you post anything that isn't condescending or polarizing?
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Its an incredibly stupid solution and will lead to more cpu usage for something that a weak gpu like the evo's could take care of at a lower cost.
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I think user is really important. I man my battleship daily and sometimes my finger misses. How does hdmi interact with user? I always have to wonder if it's due to touch or hdmi. My exp are better in cm7 than cm 6 but in video like utube I really see no difference if it is a question of quality. I think attention goes both to sound and video in usual use. So does it effect games?
If HDMI should be faster, it should be for its own reason. So, we will see it in games, in tv, and others (as we do).
Look at the the flip camera. Enlarge and you can see it should be built into the cm too.
You cannot see it with the naked eye in games. I say this because I have a very good eye. When you enlarge, you can see. But for games, they do not scale this way for seeing. Once we try to enjoy on a real scale the problem becomes apparent. I don't know the cause, it could be kernel; it could be hdmi. But with pictures and video hdmi is new standard. Old tvs might have been fine (better?) with out it but they changed it all now so we need hdmi for video and photo.
Evo is very small but for projection it is essential to top quality mobile presentation. It should be offloaded to the peripheral tho is that possible? There is no use in such fine detail in so small screen.
psych2l said:
I was just wondering about this myself, here's the Issue on the AOSP project home.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914
Long story short, google thinks more powerful hardware will take care of the issue for it, and improved garbage collection will increase "smoothness." If you disagree post on that thread, I did
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Well googles first post ( I didn't read all of it) says they cant implement it because older phones don't support it.... (g1)
Aha its funny to see everyone jump on google for how crappy it is not using gpu acceleration.
generalExpert said:
Ok, by now everyone here should have had time to play with a WP7 right? Have you noticed how responsive the WP7 screen is to touch? It's so smooth and responsive. It's almost like the screen wants to move faster than your finger...
My question is, Why isn't Android like this? And when will it be like this, if ever?
Android obviously has some lag in that department. I can't imagine it's a hardware issue being that HTC is building most of the WP7 devices.
If WP7 and iPhone can do it, why can't we?
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Too complicated for developers to tackle, but I agree 100%. Don't get me wrong, I would never use either of those platforms due to how much I love being on rooted android. But it is so much smoother, and I hope Gingerbread combats this.