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Please gimme your thoughts on this...
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-review-363.php
I don't want n97 to out do the x1...
Should be in off topic section this has nothing to do with XPERIA.
It will most likely outsell the xperia anyway because it's a nokia, any nokia phone sells like hot cakes.
rachet and clank? you into PS3 dude? (way off topic i know, but just had to ask )
bharat4ever said:
Please gimme your thoughts on this...
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-review-363.php
I don't want n97 to out do the x1...
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Worse screen, processor, memory available, and most of all...it's still using Symbian OS...HOW can it out do an X1?
Those are some good points, but...to answer your question:
Samsung Omnia HD defeats Xperia in terms of hardware specs.
Omnia HD has 3D accelerated processor that is about 600 Megahertz
and it has same amount of RAM as Xperia X1.
The Omnia HD is actually superior to Nokia N97 in every single way except for these 2:
1) Tilt screen
2) No multitouch
3) Speakers are only 80% as loud as the N97
But to be less biased, and truthful ... the symbian OS does not need as much processor power as Windows OS, and the speed of the devices are pretty much very similar. I believe that if N97 had the same processor POWER not speed, than the N97 would be a really really really fast device, like the iphone or as some reviewers have stated on youtube: like the Samsung Omnia HD. N97 is not super fast from what I've seen and heard from Noah @ phonedog.youtube but I know that Xperia X1 isn't actually super fast either.
But on another note, I am so tired of symbian reviewers praising the Symbian OS... sometimes I think reviewers and forumers praise the damn OS simply because of the N-Series line of phone:
1) Before 2009, N-Series were the first to have phones with the best fidelity in stereo speakers,
2) And they used to have the best camera quality as well
3) Without these two, the OS will stand out to be not much better than Windows Molebowl 6.1
For symbian, if you could just customize it it can compete with other OS. Imagine using a hardware that doesn't need a big processor and ram but can level out some big hardwares..
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For symbian, if you could just customize it it can compete with other OS. Imagine using a hardware that doesn't need a big processor and ram but can level out some big hardwares..
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It's an "IF" issue.....
However, I just read the Engadget review of N97,
and comparing it to the hype&hopes,
it's a FLOP....
IMO of course.
N97 is a failure.....
doministry said:
It's an "IF" issue.....
However, I just read the Engadget review of N97,
and comparing it to the hype&hopes,
it's a FLOP....
IMO of course.
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it is sort of a flop....i know a professionaly reviewer at youtube who specializes in Symbian phones and he isn't so hyped up on the N97 anymore. When he reviewed the Samsung Omnia HD, he really liked it except for the lack of multitouch and hardware keyboard.
it's a flop relative to the hype...
but I believe it will not flop in terms of sales.
poetryrocksalot said:
it is sort of a flop....i know a professionaly reviewer at youtube who specializes in Symbian phones and he isn't so hyped up on the N97 anymore. When he reviewed the Samsung Omnia HD, he really liked it except for the lack of multitouch and hardware keyboard.
it's a flop relative to the hype...
but I believe it will not flop in terms of sales.
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You may be right, because I always say,
sales is not a simple consequence of quality.
It's a Nokia - a brand with high trust.
orelsi said:
N97 is a failure.....
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lol you mean x1 is a failure!
frozenwaffles said:
lol you mean x1 is a failure!
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1st option - you are serious:
I don't. Please check the facts and come back to apologize for being wrong.
2nd option - you are trolling:
Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessfull...
The main problem of N97 is that it just came too late. There was so much hype about it. But nowadays, all his features are not so inovative at least. Camera, screen, cpu, desing ... we've all seen it already, even lots of phones have better display, better camera, faster cpu, better features. Even the customizable home screen, well you can do such things with Samsung's TouchWiz 2.0 for example. Maybe not exactly the same, but more or less. There isn't anything innovative in this phone. If it was on the market 6 months ago, or even more than 6, maybe it will be better, but I can't see it competing with Omnia HD for example, for multimedia, and with TP2 for business. Not that the phone is bad, it's a good phone, but it should be the best phone Nokia have, and it can hardly compete with any rival currently on the market (the top series phones).
I had the chance to play 2 hours with the N97 and have to say its a very nice phone.
Pros:
- Very good build quality. Best slider I've seen on a Nokia phone so far, as well as nice materials.
- Fast OS - faster than any other Symbian 60 phones out there. Not faster than a customized and clean X1 however.
- Nice camera.
- Very good browser rendering - but a little slower than opera 9.5.
Cons:
- The keyboard is quite nice - at least with the english layout. But the german layout is just an epic fail ... The punctuation keys were ridiculously replaced and only reachable with the function key.
- No flick scrolling in menus inside the OS (browser does have it!). Thats another point I couldn't live in every days use.
If you don't want to flash you phone every couple of days in the search of the perfect ROM, you will be pleased with the Symbian 60 OS on the N97. However, if you love customizing your entire OS, stick to WM. There are just much more possibilities in doing it, than on current Symbian versions.
My brother has compared his N95 to the N97 and I can tell you that the volume loudness is almost the same as the Xperia on the N97 and that N97 speakers aren't as good and loud as the N95.
So if you are in for the speakers, wait for the successor of the N97.
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rachet and clank? you into PS3 dude? (way off topic i know, but just had to ask )
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Yeah i love my ps3
If there's one thing I don't get with the N97 is why did they abandon the folding design of de E9300,9500,90 for a sliding phone. Especiall with a touch screen.
With the X1 your touchscreen is also part of the cover. That means it gets a lot a abuse. On top of that the phones witches on very (to) easy, often without the owner noticing and all kind of things can get messes up. With a folding design this just doesn't happen.
Why people have gone for sliding phones? It makes no sense to me. Bad design really.
A folding querty keyboard smartphone with a touch screen. Is this too much to ask for?
Well
I had the courtesy of playing with one last night as I'm on holiday in the middle east, I must say, the nice touch screen is refreshing. The angle of (push) to open the slide is a bit awkward and it snaps shut fairly hard but everything else in beautiful. The clarity of the screen, the feel of the keyboard, all compared to my Xperia are amazing, even the touch screen is hyper sensitive, almost as sensitive as the iPhones but without the glass feel. It's a bit bulkier than the Xperia, even with my hard case on, but it's less deep (with the hard case on), th let down for my is Symbian OS and its security, I have grown to like WinMo and the apps etc even if the interface isnt ideal when moving around and trying to do things in bright sunlight and without the sylus.
That being said, all I can say so far is the inital appearance and overall build quality is astonishingly brilliant, as you would expect from nokia, as for overall useability I can't say. (although I had little problem playing with it in a language not my own)
Lol
ratchetnclank said:
Yeah i love my ps3
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Woo, I just bought Ratchet&Clank PS3 for £2 the other week and finished it, was always a lover, and at that price...bargain. Love my PS3 to bits, when I left for my summer holidays abroad last week the only thing I dust covered and locked away was my PS3 (Sorry off-topic.)
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Woo, I just bought Ratchet&Clank PS3 for £2 the other week and finished it, was always a lover, and at that price...bargain. Love my PS3 to bits, when I left for my summer holidays abroad last week the only thing I dust covered and locked away was my PS3 (Sorry off-topic.)
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£2
Bargain of the century. Good job my man
time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
frozenwaffles said:
time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
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AM in the same boat, first time got fed up with xperia problems so much , that i bought a iphone 3gs, although am still using both,,, i cant tell you ,,how much easier things are in 3gs with all the apps around.
vj
Well .. I'm quite disappointed too .. but iPhone just wont cut it for me. For example I require playback of non-converted videos in common formats (avi,mpg,flv). No smartphone can do that well at the moment.
I'm at the moment I'm staying with Xperia and hoping that Palm wont block 3rd part media player development ..
But sure, iPhone, especially the new one, looks great, and everything it can do it does better. Way better.
iPhone is for macfags.
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time for an iPhone 3G S tomorrow! yay...
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped and then when it finally came out the panels interface was just this biggest flop ever! still is...i mean seriously?!?!? where are they all?
anyway...enough of all this windows mobile ****...even 6.5 is a let down...
i guess thats why i'm also buying a MacBook Pro next week too!
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The panels interface was indeed the most useless thing ever. That's why I uninstalled it. Although you have had some problems with the X1, you'll encounter new ones with the new iPhone. Add to that, you'll be paying a bucketload of money for that new device. Why would you buy a MacBook? Windows mobile =/ Windows.
vijayvasa said:
AM in the same boat, first time got fed up with xperia problems so much , that i bought a iphone 3gs, although am still using both,,, i cant tell you ,,how much easier things are in 3gs with all the apps around.
vj
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Interesting that you're still using both. Apparently the iPhone lacks something that the X1 doesn't.
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Well .. I'm quite disappointed too .. but iPhone just wont cut it for me. For example I require playback of non-converted videos in common formats (avi,mpg,flv). No smartphone can do that well at the moment.
I'm at the moment I'm staying with Xperia and hoping that Palm wont block 3rd part media player development ..
But sure, iPhone, especially the new one, looks great, and everything it can do it does better. Way better.
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And another great example of how every device has it's problems. There is simply not one device that has it all.
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iPhone is for macfags.
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That is degenerating, not a proper way to approach posts like the above.
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All in all, personally I prefer the X1 (or any WVGA HTC WM phone) over the iPhone because it's customizable. I like being able to tinker around with it. I also prefer Microsoft's approach (although, I'm aware, they're just as imperfect as any other company) to operating systems.
Then again the iPhone does have much better graphical support, smoother UI etc.
If only Apple and Microsoft would merge
iPhone is for tech illiterate sheep that want to look trendy in front of their equally degenerated friends. Flashy, useless, unproductive toy with features that phones had in 1999............
let us know how you like your iphone.
i was looking and playing with one the other day. it was ok but i like the customization that you can do on the windows mobile. i like the big screen but i didnt like the touch (capacitance?). i like to use my fingernails a bit and it doesnt work on the iphone screen.
The major problem with the iPhone for me is the lack of a hardware keyboard. I can handle a normal phone keypad, prefer a qwerty keyboard but cannot type on a touchscreen. I don't care what some people say, for me, a touchscreen keyboard is not good enough.
c_legaspi said:
let us know how you like your iphone.
i was looking and playing with one the other day. it was ok but i like the customization that you can do on the windows mobile. i like the big screen but i didnt like the touch (capacitance?). i like to use my fingernails a bit and it doesnt work on the iphone screen.
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Its not just the xperia its self that puts it down - its the lack of a Microsoft Marketplace yet and Windows mobile 6.5 - xperia would be a lot better if Windows Mobile Market place was available and if the scrolling on it was iphone smooth other than that i like my xperia
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The major problem with the iPhone for me is the lack of a hardware keyboard. I can handle a normal phone keypad, prefer a qwerty keyboard but cannot type on a touchscreen. I don't care what some people say, for me, a touchscreen keyboard is not good enough.
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Same - i used ipod touch for typing for ages but after i used xperia keyboard i never want to use a touchscreen keyboard again!
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iPhone is for tech illiterate sheep that want to look trendy in front of their equally degenerated friends. Flashy, useless, unproductive toy with features that phones had in 1999............
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have You ever had an iphone in Your hand? obviously You are talking nonsense. these days You can do almost every thing on ipod that it's doable on winmo. okay... it is not so customizable, but it's interface is simple and just works. works like a charm. I am keeping xperia only untill september and after that I'll get iphone 3gs or something else, maybe n97 or omnia hd. dunno... it pisses me off that for instance I cannot view videos recorded with my wifes n95 8gb without reencoding. that is just f... silly this days.
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMx6aLGWVU I know, it's not perfect, but try to record something similiar with x1.
please, feel free to give me some reasons why it is worthy to stick with windows mobile except rom flashing and customization of visuals... multitasking is nice, true, but how often You just cannot live without it?? well I can...
frozenwaffles said:
X1 was the biggest dissapointment ever for me! this phone was so over hyped
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Yeah dude! The iPhone of course isn't over hyped at all
You'll regret that soon
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why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
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Exactly what i want in xperia and the smoothness is the main reason i am drawn to the iphone - if the xperia is just as powerfull as the iphone 3G (if not more) why cant it be as smooth is it to do with the resistive touchscreen????
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have You ever had an iphone in Your hand? obviously You are talking nonsense. these days You can do almost every thing on ipod that it's doable on winmo. okay... it is not so customizable, but it's interface is simple and just works. works like a charm. I am keeping xperia only untill september and after that I'll get iphone 3gs or something else, maybe n97 or omnia hd. dunno... it pisses me off that for instance I cannot view videos recorded with my wifes n95 8gb without reencoding. that is just f... silly this days.
why iphone 3gs? well... I went to o2 store yesterday to have a look and I am simply amazed. speed. SPEEED..... it is just that feeling of smootheness of whatever You do on those non wm devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMx6aLGWVU I know, it's not perfect, but try to record something similiar with x1.
please, feel free to give me some reasons why it is worthy to stick with windows mobile except rom flashing and customization of visuals... multitasking is nice, true, but how often You just cannot live without it?? well I can...
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u say that u cant view videos recorded with an n95 8gb on ur x1 without re-encoding it(i can btw), but how do u intend to do it using an iPhone?
if You are saying that You can view those videos recorded @ 640 x 480 highest quality on n95 8gb smoothly without massive stuttering, then You are lying. period. I never said that I want an iphone to watch my wifes videos, the other thing is that I never said that I hate xperia. as a matter of fact I still like it a lot, but I am bit tired with this all customize & tweak me for weeks stuff just to realise it is still slow.
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if You are saying that You can view those videos recorded @ 640 x 480 highest quality on n95 8gb smoothly without massive stuttering, then You are lying. period. I never said that I want an iphone to watch my wifes videos, the other thing is that I never said that I hate xperia. as a matter of fact I still like it a lot, but I am bit tired with this all customize & tweak me for weeks stuff just to realise it is still slow.
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I guess when you get something like an iPhone it works fine out of the box you dont need to tweak it to get it right which is which is what i dont get from windows mobile devices - why are they not already tweaked to offer the best performance?
simple example - why, oh why those simple tweaks like increasing of glyph and filesystem cache are not factory set for performance??
couldnt agree more with u on the disappointment part, sony ericsson produced one hell of a **** expensive phone.. sometimes im even using my old 1st gen iphone :s
Xperia broken.
Last Saturday my X1 broke. I was at a party and decided to jump over a car gate at an old summerhouse. Thing is, it wasn't steadied at all or fastened in the ground, so it swung with my body, resulting in me landing hard on it and it gave my Xperia a good blow. Now half the screen is dead and the slider part is crooked, and I don't have insurance on it so it'll cost me about 100 - 200 dollars to get it fixed.
That is why I'm getting an iPhone 3GS when it comes to Sweden. I like the seamless Mac experience that just works (and is really great looking) and, actually, the fact that I'm not gonna want to flash it every other day.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite the avid customizer of all things techy, and I love playing around with settings and tweaks just to feel like I'm improving my device. Now really. I understand why the people here at XDA like their devices - it's because of the new roms. BUT. It's simply retarded for the company making the phone not to include those optimisations OOTB. I understand that a lot of things is set slower by default to gain battery and ensure a safe phone, but let's face it. An iPhone provides a better experience for ALL customers, not only the ones who know how to tweak their device.
I'd suggest by simple human psychology patterns that people like tweaking their phones because it brings them a satisfactory sense of being special - knowing something not all the owners of a particular thing knows. Though, think about it. It would be kind of nice to be free of the constant urge to flash your phone, all you flashoholics? I sure know that I feel that way. Sort of like being free from a time consuming freedom or wanting a schedule when you have nothing but free time.
That's just my two cents, I won't miss my Xperia much. I'm rather glad it broke (although it was a blow to my economics, but hey).
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Last Saturday my X1 broke. I was at a party and decided to jump over a car gate at an old summerhouse. Thing is, it wasn't steadied at all or fastened in the ground, so it swung with my body, resulting in me landing hard on it and it gave my Xperia a good blow. Now half the screen is dead and the slider part is crooked, and I don't have insurance on it so it'll cost me about 100 - 200 dollars to get it fixed.
That is why I'm getting an iPhone 3GS when it comes to Sweden. I like the seamless Mac experience that just works (and is really great looking) and, actually, the fact that I'm not gonna want to flash it every other day.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite the avid customizer of all things techy, and I love playing around with settings and tweaks just to feel like I'm improving my device. Now really. I understand why the people here at XDA like their devices - it's because of the new roms. BUT. It's simply retarded for the company making the phone not to include those optimisations OOTB. I understand that a lot of things is set slower by default to gain battery and ensure a safe phone, but let's face it. An iPhone provides a better experience for ALL customers, not only the ones who know how to tweak their device.
I'd suggest by simple human psychology patterns that people like tweaking their phones because it brings them a satisfactory sense of being special - knowing something not all the owners of a particular thing knows. Though, think about it. It would be kind of nice to be free of the constant urge to flash your phone, all you flashoholics? I sure know that I feel that way. Sort of like being free from a time consuming freedom or wanting a schedule when you have nothing but free time.
That's just my two cents, I won't miss my Xperia much. I'm rather glad it broke (although it was a blow to my economics, but hey).
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Yea i started flashing my phone but then one day i realised that the stock ones are just as good really and more stable but your right about the tweaking and such it makes you feel like your phone is faster - Maybe when you start using your iphone you will start to miss and acknowledge the little things that make the xperia really good but we will see
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Yea i started flashing my phone but then one day i realised that the stock ones are just as good really and more stable but your right about the tweaking and such it makes you feel like your phone is faster - Maybe when you start using your iphone you will start to miss and acknowledge the little things that make the xperia really good but we will see
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I had smabergs's Touch X so I'll miss the nice sms interface, and of course the keyboard! Other than that, I'll make it through my switch fine
I've had my xperia for about 3 days now, using it non-stop at home, on the go, etc.
I'm having a lot of mixed feelings: i like it, and disappointed in it at the same time.
Please enlighten me in each of the following.. help me learn to love the phone instead of regret it.
1) My biggest gripe: The form factor, the thickness, the small touchscreen embedded WITHIN borders as opposed to a front flat. Admit it.. it feels like a brick.
2) Lack of panels.. Lack of applications (look at apple's app store)
3) The responsiveness.. the overall phone is dodgy, menus take seconds to load, camera and its settings are slow, buttons and inputs are not instantaneous... I've an ipod touch for about more then half a year now, those who've experienced with Apple products know what I mean by 'immediate response' (and in NO WAY am i supporting apple, I am just doing this comparison to illustrate the difference of response)
All these gripes i would have set aside if the price tag was about $100 - $200 dollars CHEAPER. When I'm paying so much, I expect something decent :|
Now for my praises:
1) Biggest plus; It has windows live mail, and windows live messenger, something the iPhone will never have.
2) Panels CONCEPT.
3) The beautiful colors (xperia wall)
4) Keypad, lots of control/input: trackpad, d-pad, touchscreen & stylus
If you've read all that, In no way am i critcizing the xperia as a whole. It's my user-preference I speak with and individual opinion. I, for one, am bothered by all the gripes I have mentioned. I've searched for smartphones for a long time now and none has even PEAKED my interest besides the xperia and the iPhone. The problem is that the iPhone is out of the question because I can't get it. So my question is... What should I do? As in should i stay with the xperia, what can I do with the xperia to make me satisfied with it, etc.
Hey,
dude u need to flash a new ROM. Xperia 'out of the box' looks nice but doesn't work as well as it looks. once you've flashed a ROM it works nicer than it looks.
Im using agent_47 ROM...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512050
admittedly there are a few bugs every now n then but its nothing that eventually won't be fixed.
Dude there are loooaaddss of panels available. just search the forums. there are also loaaadss of apps available...you just have to find them. tomtom7, facebook, skype, super mario just to give some examples.
So in summary, find a ROM that you like and flash it
Adam
Thanks but it doesn't compensate for the fact that the phone is bulky with a screen embedded within borders. Even though the iPhone may be bigger in volume, at least it has a large screen (thats NOT in border) to make up for its size.
My issue is.. i feel no matter what I change about the software and interface, it'd still feel bricky in my hands, when getting a call; trying to touch the tiny buttons on the embedded screen with my thumbs -___-
What other third party panels could possibly benefit me? Aren't most of them just home screens, mobile shell, etc.
Panels I'd like to see include paralelling the apple app store; at least have the defaults like the facebook panel: twitter, youtube, notes, pocketoffice panel, dictionary, games, etc. Funny how advertisements show panels with different colours but none are remotely worthy to be put. I only have about 7 panels, and i even tolerated putting the fish and clock one.
arikado as adam18488 has said you need a new windows mobile rom.
Most of your Points are related to the Software of the Windows Mobile Computer Operating System.
The WinMo ROM that is shiped with X1 has heavy lags with video rendering.
You are not the only one who is disopointed with the OS on X1.
Iphone works out of the box -Apps store has loads and is v easy ...but you can't customise!
Xperia WILL dissapoint out of the box ...you need to make it yours -customise, tweak etc
If you are new at all this ....the last thing you should do is Flash a custom ROM imho
You need to read LOADS and start small with the tweaks
I was underwhelmed when I first got mine ...a couple of weeks of reading and trialling were quite frustrating (without this forum it would have been impossible)
About a month in I got it all set up the way I liked it ...8 months on I still LOVE it and have continued to make small tweaks (including upgrading the stock ROM twice -now on the current R3A & video works flawlessly BTW)
Take a look at threads like "post your today screen" and the like to see how wide the options are
The WIKI is a must, as are most of the Stickies
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Thanks but it doesn't compensate for the fact that the phone is bulky with a screen embedded within borders. Even though the iPhone may be bigger in volume, at least it has a large screen (thats NOT in border) to make up for its size.
My issue is.. i feel no matter what I change about the software and interface, it'd still feel bricky in my hands, when getting a call; trying to touch the tiny buttons on the embedded screen with my thumbs -___-
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arikado,
Did you not at least feel the phone in person before buying it? You can't really whine now that you've bought the phone. It was your responsibility as a customer to ensure that everything about the phone met your expectations before you handed over the cash.
Should've done your homework first. If the phone feels like a brick to you, then even the Touch Pro 2 or even the N97 will feel like a brick because those are -huge- phones.
If you don't want a recessed screen, I strongly suggest the TouchHD, that's about it or wait for the next Xperia, or go with the HTC Hero, or HTC Magic.
Cheers.
Yes - we can't help you now with hardware issues. If you don't like the hardware you should not have bought it. Anyway:
If you are a fan of finger UI's then read about Mobile Shell 3.0. It allows you to do almost everything with your finger. There is also a cab available that imrpoves the responsibility :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=485037&highlight=softtouch
Here you go: X1 SoftTouch.
Well..there are panels, but you are right - not as much as I would have liked!
And there are apps, but not as much because 800x480 screensize is rather new
to phones. Give them some time.
The "borders" around the screen you are taking about is a negative thing on that phone. But like already mentioned: swop with a Touch HD. It is more likely "your" kind of phone!
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1) My biggest gripe: The form factor, the thickness, the small touchscreen embedded WITHIN borders as opposed to a front flat. Admit it.. it feels like a brick.
2) Lack of panels.. Lack of applications (look at apple's app store)
3) The responsiveness.. the overall phone is dodgy, menus take seconds to load, camera and its settings are slow, buttons and inputs are not instantaneous... I've an ipod touch for about more then half a year now, those who've experienced with Apple products know what I mean by 'immediate response' (and in NO WAY am i supporting apple, I am just doing this comparison to illustrate the difference of response)
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Orelsi reporting in .
1 - I don't mind the thikness, because you get a full keyboard. You can't beat that. The recessed screen is one of my major gripes as well, but it has one (only one lol) good thing going for it - when you drop it, the screen will not get damaged. I admit that it is a brick.
2 - Not true. There are some panels floating around. There are THOUSANDS of apps and games for WinMo and most of them are NOT like these:
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/fortune/0907/gallery.dumbest_iphone_apps.fortune/index.html Just read and search .
3- Everything that you listed can be fixed by custom ROMs or tweaks of the system. My only advice is to read the "sticky" topics and then browse the forum for whatever you want.
My X1 has the regular firmware and is lightning fast thanks to massive tweaking and installing of useful apps.
If you can't find anything using the search function, feel free to ask the helpful people in this forum .
If you want a phone that works fine "out of the box" : got an Iphone but you will never be able to customize it
If you want a bigger screen: Got a Touch HD but no hardware keyboard, screen less responsive (my opinion), not really faster
If you want to keep your Xperia: learn about tweaking and flashing rom
My 2 centimes:
- Yes the firmware is painfully slow. This is really the major limitation of this phone out of the box.
- I have not yet flashed a custom ROM (on R2A) but am very hopeful that this improves the snappiness
- Buy SPB Mobile Shell 3.01. Outstanding software and well worth the price.
- After a couple weeks/months, I think most Xperiites ditch panels because they are slow and a fairly silly idea. Why press three times to run an application when you have the option to press only once?
- The hardware on this phone is superb and I think you will only come to appreciate it more and more. Bricks may not look the best, but they last a helluva long time.
Is it just me or am I the only one getting a bit bored of the iPhone fanboys repeating the "My iPhone/My mate's iPhone/My fashionista's iPhone is great, the X1 is crap, why?" question?
If you don't like it's size and shape, why buy one?
In regards to apps, typing "Windows Mobile Apps" into Google gets approx 292,000,000 results. Yes, a lot of these will be repeated/links to each other, but there are at least a few sites off the top of my head that can provide hundreds of *legally free* apps, let alone several that can provide lots of paid-for ones. "Oh but the Apple Store is one place" yes, we all get all of our purchases from the same shop. Unless you're a Tesco/Walmart fanboy also?
I must admit, it is a bit of a pain getting fluff and dirt out of the corners of the screen, but a lot less of a pain than smashing the screen like several of my iPhone loving mates have, especially on a thin-bodied device which depends on the screen to work...
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Is it just me or am I the only one getting a bit bored of the iPhone fanboys repeating the "My iPhone/My mate's iPhone/My fashionista's iPhone is great, the X1 is crap, why?" question?
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I didn't see anyone here say that. Post in the wrong thread, maybe?
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Is it just me or am I the only one getting a bit bored of the iPhone fanboys repeating the "My iPhone/My mate's iPhone/My fashionista's iPhone is great, the X1 is crap, why?" question?
If you don't like it's size and shape, why buy one?
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Count me in for the bored crowd. What's with the apple fanboys flooding a WinMo forum?
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I didn't see anyone here say that. Post in the wrong thread, maybe?
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Nope.
HERE is a possible fix for the screen being pushed into the phone - basicially what i noticed was that when i put a screen protector on it obvoiusly raised the screen so i was thinking - maybe if you put two screen protectors on ! it would be at optimum height! just a thought - i might try it
rp-x1 said:
Is it just me or am I the only one getting a bit bored of the iPhone fanboys repeating the "My iPhone/My mate's iPhone/My fashionista's iPhone is great, the X1 is crap, why?" question?
If you don't like it's size and shape, why buy one?
In regards to apps, typing "Windows Mobile Apps" into Google gets approx 292,000,000 results. Yes, a lot of these will be repeated/links to each other, but there are at least a few sites off the top of my head that can provide hundreds of *legally free* apps, let alone several that can provide lots of paid-for ones. "Oh but the Apple Store is one place" yes, we all get all of our purchases from the same shop. Unless you're a Tesco/Walmart fanboy also?
I must admit, it is a bit of a pain getting fluff and dirt out of the corners of the screen, but a lot less of a pain than smashing the screen like several of my iPhone loving mates have, especially on a thin-bodied device which depends on the screen to work...
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iPhone is a good phone in its own ways
Xperia is a good phone in its own ways
both have their ups and down and you need to consider which you think best suits you because neither are perfect
I'm just looking at it from a neutral point of view but i'm glad i chose xperia
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iPhone is a good phone in its own ways
Xperia is a good phone in its own ways
both have their ups and down and you need to consider which you think best suits you because neither are perfect
I'm just looking at it from a neutral point of view but i'm glad i chose xperia
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Agreed, everything is down to personal preference, but the iPhone losers cannot stop claiming that their device is THE BEST!!! It obviously isn't and any objective man comparing it to a normal phone can see that. It is a glorified mp4 player and barely qualifies as a feature phone.
The attitude of being uneducated and tech illiterate, but still claiming that your device is the Jesus phone, is what annoys me.
Especially when people start posting about it at a WINMO forum. WTF seriously? Use it, enjoy it, but don't try to make it something it clearly is not. That is why the apple fanboys irritate me.
End of rant lolz .
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any objective man... It is a glorified mp4 player and barely qualifies as a feature phone.
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No one ever accused you of being "objective".
1) My biggest gripe: The form factor, the thickness, the small touchscreen embedded WITHIN borders as opposed to a front flat. Admit it.. it feels like a brick.
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Wrong, it feels like a luxury device. Even if the OS was a basic symbian it would still feel grand. Admit it...it feels like it's the ****.
The form factor is perfect. The thickness is actually pretty thin. The touch screen is not satisfactory.
2) Lack of panels.. Lack of applications (look at apple's app store)
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Why are you complaining on something that is still being developed? You are one bull****ing fanboy.
Palm Pre > Lack of apps
Android > Lack of tethering @ apps
Apple > Applications are mostly games you turd, and apps are only foreground apps so what is the freaking point?
Look how manys apps that I have for my X1:
3) The responsiveness.. the overall phone is dodgy, menus take seconds to load, camera and its settings are slow, buttons and inputs are not instantaneous... I've an ipod touch for about more then half a year now, those who've experienced with Apple products know what I mean by 'immediate response' (and in NO WAY am i supporting apple, I am just doing this comparison to illustrate the difference of response)
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I know what you mean, actually. I have to agree on this. Played with my brother's ipod touch.
All these gripes i would have set aside if the price tag was about $100 - $200 dollars CHEAPER. When I'm paying so much, I expect something decent :|
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I think the X1 is worth 900 bucks, but I think it is unfair that the X1i version is a lot cheaper. ****ing bull****. Europeans are lucky!
1) Biggest plus; It has windows live mail, and windows live messenger, something the iPhone will never have.
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What are you gonna think if iPhone has it in the future?
2) Panels CONCEPT.
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It's not a concept you fool.
3) The beautiful colors (xperia wall)
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WTF is an Xperia wall... nobody on this forum ever made a reference to an Xperia wall. The colors are okay, the resolution is better. Think people think.
4) Keypad, lots of control/input: trackpad, d-pad, touchscreen & stylus
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So my question is... What should I do? As in should i stay with the xperia, what can I do with the xperia to make me satisfied with it, etc.
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If you aren't for being organized then get the iPhone...that's all I have to say
Even using apple's software is very inorganized and there is no way for me to mother****ing installed 3rd party schedule applications / alarm applications / automatic profile applications ...so iPhone is just a toy with a lot of games and foreground-only apps.
Xperia keeps me so organized... why? SPB Diary baby. Anyway, just get the Apple because I don't think you're the kind of guy who needs simple features only.
Just listen to me and get the iPhone 3GS and you will be happy.
My most used app is SPB Mobile Shell 3... and AE Button... try them out and it will boost your productivity...
i really loved the batt life of Xperia.. (coming from O2 Atom Life)
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Did I lie in my statement?
If I am reading this correctly, it was published today
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X2-Review-review-r_2377.html
EDIT:
Just for comparative purposes here is their X1 review: http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X1-Review-review-r_2072.html
Camera is really better than, say HD2. Just see the indoor picture, the floor tiles definition is far better. Outside X2 seems quite nice, better, but not as much (although one is taken in summer other in winter). But then it is sluggish taking pictures... Videos seem better defined as well.
It is a pity the performance is so uneven and that SE never finalizes its ROM. So, other functions seem to lag, and development, updates seem very unreliable. Really considered X2, but I'm about to head to HD2 (despite photo's quality, but, well, much better than my Kaiser)...
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Camera is really better than, say HD2. Just see the indoor picture, the floor tiles definition is far better. Outside X2 seems quite nice, better, but not as much (although one is taken in summer other in winter). But then it is sluggish taking pictures... Videos seem better defined as well.
It is a pity the performance is so uneven and that SE never finalizes its ROM. So, other functions seem to lag, and development, updates seem very unreliable. Really considered X2, but I'm about to head to HD2 (despite photo's quality, but, well, much better than my Kaiser)...
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Yeah - my contract ends soon and i am definatley going for the HD2 - the x just looks so sluggish and i cant be bothered with a phone like that again
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Yeah - my contract ends soon and i am definatley going for the HD2 - the x just looks so sluggish and i cant be bothered with a phone like that again
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Me too. HD2 or LG Expo perhaps next, unless I jump to Android for the top notch Motorola cameras (really don't want to, but...)
The Xperia X2 looks nice, but I won't be going that route. It may sound weird, but as it is not made by HTC I will pass on it. Although the build quality may be questionable with the X1, I am very happy with my X1 and my previous HTC Prophet.
I will be probably jumping to the Telstra HD2 (I am also thinking iPhone or Android as well) however I won't be making my final judgement until the following:
(1) HSPL is able to be applied to the Telstra HD2 so that I can flash it with a generic ROM (I think you need HSPL to do so eh?)
(2) What is announced in February by Microsoft
(3) What Apple announces in June about a new iPhone (if any)
(4) Voice command (dialing) on both the Android and iPhone systems are equal to that of Microsoft Voice Command...great piece of software.
In the mean time, I love my X1i and I have no problems with it. The only thing I am looking to do is to get a NEW Xperia X1a so that I can use the 850 MHz 3G band...only eBay has them, but it's all good (maybe I might be able to get it crazy cheap!!)
Another review, very similar results:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-review-443.php
Let me quote my post from Esato:
"There's a significant difference - sometimes at least - between
user experience and reviews experience.
Reviews are needed but sometimes reality is different plus
the device usually gets updated/improved yet the review stays as it was....
I also read so many good reviews of devices which
turned out to be bad in every day usage.
Also, decisive factor is always user preferences...
X2 solves most of my needs,
We will see if X2 will get any optimising updates.
It's well manufactured and makes great photos what I really like,
plus - observe - they say that all the WM strenghts are there.
In the end I rather need a business than multimedia device,
I mean music is my core but I never watch films...
I also don't think WM 6.5 is much more resources hungry than 6.1.
Yet they just claim it's a bad processor responsible for lags - on what base?!
I have X1 on the same hardware and Flash Lite works fine until the buggy Opera 9.5 crashes,
but videos work fine and content too.
Just an example...
I learned my lesson - as MANY users were complaining how bad X1 was out of the box,
I'm still surprised that my X1 works 13 months now without single update nor tweak
and huge amount of installed software inside.
Flawlessly, fine.
We'll see, I will get it in Feb and see how it goes.
Truly, nothing else is interesting enough - for me - to switch my interest...."
Last paragraph from the GSMArena review:
"We can understand the predicament Sony Ericsson were in.
The original XPERIA X1 is not a device to give up on just like this.
But at some point they realized they needed to bring out an update before it was too late.
And as it was becoming obvious WinMo7 was going to take too long,
they decided to proceed with the XPERIA X2 as we know it."
The company is really relying on X10 now -> Android...
I think what they should do is to have a better sense of CONTINUITY...
Very good points. But reviews are good in the sense that these people who have access to many phones. They can compare performance etc. People like me who have to buy in the dark and can not return phone (in Brazil the phones are too expansive and get here 1 year later if they ever get here, so I buy my phones in trips to the US), need the more comments they can get. Another important point is, they take pictures in similar places and similar conditions so you can compare better photos performance. In this case the X2 performs very well.
I have a Kaiser and would be OK with some lag, etc. I rarely watch videos on my PPC (although with a screen the size of the HD2 it could change a little), so X2 could be fine with that. Other areas will be similar or slightly better than my Kaiser. But then, I bought my Kaiser more than 2 years ago. Do I still want (deserve ) to get these lags??
But now, my main concern is that support and development from SE seems to be soooo erratic for the X2. These delays and never officially released... They can't even update their UK page! It is still "expected Jan 10". From what I saw, WM 6.5.3 seems to be a real good update. Will they give it to us? Too many questions, too much confusion... And this not a 300 bucks machine. If it were I would just buy it and see, but it is not. Thus I'm less and less excited by it, despite its many attractives: hardware keyboard, good camera, size (screen could be a little larger, but it is good as it is), some hardware keys... Pity (for me, of course).
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Very good points. But reviews are good in the sense that these people who have access to many phones. They can compare performance etc. People like me who have to buy in the dark and can not return phone (in Brazil the phones are too expansive and get here 1 year later if they ever get here, so I buy my phones in trips to the US), need the more comments they can get. Another important point is, they take pictures in similar places and similar conditions so you can compare better photos performance. In this case the X2 performs very well.
I have a Kaiser and would be OK with some lag, etc. I rarely watch videos on my PPC (although with a screen the size of the HD2 it could change a little), so X2 could be fine with that. Other areas will be similar or slightly better than my Kaiser. But then, I bought my Kaiser more than 2 years ago. Do I still want (deserve ) to get these lags??
But now, my main concern is that support and development from SE seems to be soooo erratic for the X2. These delays and never officially released... They can't even update their UK page! It is still "expected Jan 10". From what I saw, WM 6.5.3 seems to be a real good update. Will they give it to us? Too many questions, too much confusion... And this not a 300 bucks machine. If it were I would just buy it and see, but it is not. Thus I'm less and less excited by it, despite its many attractives: hardware keyboard, good camera, size (screen could be a little larger, but it is good as it is), some hardware keys... Pity (for me, of course).
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mb'
If I were you, I'd seriously think about getting an X1 and saving $400. All-in-all, X1 is a very solid phone. The camera is actually excellent except for low-light indoor conditions, something I don't think the X2 fixes. I flashed williyung's WM 6.5.3 and it's very nice - just like a new WM phone. The lags aren't bad at all. I've had a few repair issues but I guess most phones have that? Otherwise, if you are going to spend $800, get an HD2 or maybe hold out for a phone upgradeable to WM7. When it comes out, bet many of us will be anxious to get it!
Just my random 2 cents!
Hey, thanks. Yeah, I'm 90% going on the route of the HD2. Just coming to terms of lack of HD Keyboard and a little too big size, but...
I actually think the X1 is pretty much the same for me comparing to my Kaiser, just a little bit better in few things. I would keep my good old Kaiser. I think its screen too small, kind of too flashy looking, and I never had any problem whatsoever with my Kaiser and many people report these built problems with the X1... Not for me, but thanks for the tip anyway. Appreciated.
The ONLY alternative I've seen around I'd think of
is HTC Trophy.
HD2 is a very powerful machine.
So sad it's disqualified for me
with so many lacks.
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The ONLY alternative I've seen around I'd think of
is HTC Trophy.
HD2 is a very powerful machine.
So sad it's disqualified for me
with so many lacks.
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Yeah, lack of HW keyboard, resistive screen, and stylus are hard for me to get past. I think I could get used to them, but might be better to wait.
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Yeah, lack of HW keyboard, resistive screen, and stylus are hard for me to get past. I think I could get used to them, but might be better to wait.
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I would definitely wait.
I mean the capact. screen and lack of keyboard would drive me nuts.
Even if the screen is gorgeous and processor powerful...
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The ONLY alternative I've seen around I'd think of
is HTC Trophy.
HD2 is a very powerful machine.
So sad it's disqualified for me
with so many lacks.
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Man that's a nice device...however HTC is starting to piss me off (although I still love them)
Why can't they make phones like the Kaiser when it comes down to the 3G bands...it's usually 900/2100 and then some variants depending on network request.
What I am looking for is 3G 850/1900/2100, or even 900/1900/2100 (1700 right now, for me that is, is not a priority). Very few HTC devices have it, oh well. Anyways, I am very happy with my X1
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The ONLY alternative I've seen around I'd think of
is HTC Trophy.
HD2 is a very powerful machine.
So sad it's disqualified for me
with so many lacks.
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Won't the Trophy have a capacitative screen? Otherwise, looks great. Always wondered why no one makes a candybar with a really big screen!
But don't you have to think that HTC will put out a WM7 touch pro3? That would be the one to wait for.
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Won't the Trophy have a capacitative screen? Otherwise, looks great. Always wondered why no one makes a candybar with a really big screen!
But don't you have to think that HTC will put out a WM7 touch pro3? That would be the one to wait for.
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To be honest I really eagerly wait for WM7!
And - hope SE would make a device with it....
Trophy would be nice.
Capactive is crap but it has also trackball so no bad...
But to be honest - I still think of X2.
Well, I was hesitant like all of you, but in the end got X2 the first day available (about two weeks ago) in our country. It's not such an improvement over X1, but in my opinion it's currently the best device with WM and QWERTY. Only that processor is quite a flaw. However, it's not just bigger screen, much better QWERTY, TV-OUT and all the other known stuff, but also probably the best volume rocker and camera shutter I ever had on a mobile device. Making sharp pictures with X2 is much easier than with X1. I might also mention the battery cover, whose opening is not a problem now.
On the whole, X2 removed all the small shortcomings, which you normally ignore, but when using X1 every day they really become a nuisance. I'm very satisfied, but X2's ROM is still quite slow even though not much buggy, so I'm impatiently awaiting an update. Yeah, not to forget, what sucks the most is the absence of Mass Storage mode for USB to PC, hope new ROM will have this feature...
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Well, I was hesitant like all of you, but in the end got X2 the first day available (about two weeks ago) in our country. It's not such an improvement over X1, but in my opinion it's currently the best device with WM and QWERTY. Only that processor is quite a flaw. However, it's not just bigger screen, much better QWERTY, TV-OUT and all the other known stuff, but also probably the best volume rocker and camera shutter I ever had on a mobile device. Making sharp pictures with X2 is much easier than with X1. I might also mention the battery cover, whose opening is not a problem now.
On the whole, X2 removed all the small shortcomings, which you normally ignore, but when using X1 every day they really become a nuisance. I'm very satisfied, but X2's ROM is still quite slow even though not much buggy, so I'm impatiently awaiting an update. Yeah, not to forget, what sucks the most is the absence of Mass Storage mode for USB to PC, hope new ROM will have this feature...
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Absence of Mass storage is a bummer
but than why on one of the reviews - GSMArena or Phonearena
they say it's there?!
the mass storage is a bit annoying. but i installed the active sync program and it can all be accessed from there without too much fuss. i turned off all the automatic sync functions so now it operates very similar to the X1 usb to pc. just click on "explore phone" and click on memory card and thats it. so maybe thats what they used in the reviews.
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the mass storage is a bit annoying. but i installed the active sync program and it can all be accessed from there without too much fuss. i turned off all the automatic sync functions so now it operates very similar to the X1 usb to pc. just click on "explore phone" and click on memory card and thats it. so maybe thats what they used in the reviews.
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Looks like no problem really.
However one of them precisely mentioned both ActiveSync and MassStorage...
Ok guys, let's be fair.
I have X1 for 17 months and this device is a really great companion.
Reliable, working, stable, powerful, all fine.
Now it's few days after X2 upgrade and I'm sorry, but right now this is a disaster.
Whether I don't get something or this device is a biggest shame I've seen in my life.
Basically this is unpredictable, unstable, unfinished and not proper
piece of ************* crap I've used.
Current behaviour of X2 is like a first firmwares I've seen on P990,
few years back.
After upgrade I've had like 6 freezes through 48 hours - WTF is that?!
Freezing without any reason - just with normal, ordinary actions I do!
The software is completely not optimized at all, looks like a ****ing BETA!!!
I just can't believe it. Just can't believe
they really released this piece of crap.
Unbelievable. This is constantly crashing device.
Once SlideView crashed. Once camera stopped working - soft reset.
Now it crashed after playing a movie from the Total Commander.
It's even more **** - today I opened default WM image gallery and
used it's basic edit functions - used automatic contrast.
Wanted to save and what! Bum - the device cannot save it! Maybe after cropping it,
the device says.... Like a lack of memory!
I mean - I know what software is, always has it's glitches, right.
But what is happening to X2 is like really really bad joke!!!!!!!
Guys, do you think that the problem may be in a wrong upgrade?!
I don't believe it.
So, in fact the 600 Euro piece behaves like a beta stage.
Definitely, the X2 goes back to SE, I want my money back.
You won't **** with me anymore.
Unacceptable. Too much.
I was a fan of SE smartphones (used P800, P910, P990, P1, X1)
All of them served well.
This X2 not. Over. Never gonna buy any SE in my life.
And I think they'll never learn. Never.
In the competitive and tight smartphone market, they are rude enough
to release something like that. And stupid.
Of course I'll not leave it this way. I'll spread the info around.
P.S.
As regarding X1 people experiences were very different,
but generally feedback was good and deserved.
X2 has huge negative feedback right now and I'm not alone.
Besides xda forums, just look at
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produc...able/#comments
What is there is amazing. 90% of negative comments after upgrade.
This device didn't bahave like this before!!!
What about you guys?
I'm absolutely agree with you.
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X2 is a nice piece of Hardware, but is a complete mess in terms of Software.
Maybe calling Tech Blogs to post this news would help SE to fix the phone.
Cheers.
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I'm absolutely agree with you.
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X2 is a nice piece of Hardware, but is a complete mess in terms of Software.
Maybe calling Tech Blogs to post this news would help SE to fix the phone.
Cheers.
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What Tech Blogs??
Installed YouTube panel,
wanted to choose it than - phone restarted.
Plugged charger - phone didn't react until I entered battery settings...
haha, starts to be fascinating!
It's really terrible for you guys. It is very arrogant of SE to do this. They don't have their act together, and they need to pay the price. I like the suggestion above. You might somehow try to get this whole debacle picked up by the gadget sites like Engadget, though I don't know how. I know their editors browse these forums. They might run it on a slow news day (remember they ran the X1 "cracks" story, and they run firmware stories all the time).
It's a frustrating time for WM fans, because there are very few cutting edge choices for us these days.
I dont know whats the cause but when i left the phone alone for a while and then i try to turn on the screen, it stays black, if i slide the keyboard the keys get illuminated but the screen is still off.. so i have to reset for 15th time…
Also i get a lot of troubles with the memory card, sometimes it works and the phone detects it but sometimes it takes several resets and ejects/inserts of the card to make it work…
Whats going on!?!?!?!?!?
I feel exactly the same. it's the worst phone i ever had.
i will not buy any more **** from SE. The X1 was a really nice device but this???
No more. and i am sure that SE is in here on XDA and reading to get some feedback and to you i have just one question:
how can you sleep at nights?
Low_down
SE totally lost its way with smartphones after P910 PERIOD!!. Each new device after P910 was worse than its predecessor. When i thought P990 was unstable and slow (skipping P1i that was too little too late and with its own downgrades), along came X1 which i found out to be even worse than P990. I dont know what the reviewers were smoking when they tested X1 out starting from bad build quality & durability (cracks in casing, keyboard issues etc), hardware (useless camera, speakerphone and illumination gimmik) and right down to software (Windows Mobile, worst call audio i've encountered in any mobile phone i've used so far, video playback and the list goes on)!!
Its quite clear to me that at SE there's no such word as "improvement" and "lesson learnt" anymore. Instead of rectifying their issues with a jewel of a platform like UIQ (which would have been much cheaper and more productive for both SE and Symbian) they choose to sleep around with every other slut of a operating system they can find out on the street. SE is nothing but a lost cow now.
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SE totally lost its way with smartphones after P910 PERIOD!!. Each new device after P910 was worse than its predecessor. When i thought P990 was unstable and slow (skipping P1i that was too little too late and with its own downgrades), along came X1 which i found out to be even worse than P990. I dont know what the reviewers were smoking when they tested X1 out starting from bad build quality & durability (cracks in casing, keyboard issues etc), hardware (useless camera, speakerphone and illumination gimmik) and right down to software (Windows Mobile, worst call audio i've encountered in any mobile phone i've used so far, video playback and the list goes on)!!
Its quite clear to me that at SE there's no such word as "improvement" and "lesson learnt" anymore. Instead of rectifying their issues with a jewel of a platform like UIQ (which would have been much cheaper and more productive for both SE and Symbian) they choose to sleep around with every other slut of a operating system they can find out on the street. SE is nothing but a lost cow now.
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Heh funny
but I feel bad because of different reasons!!!
After P990 which became usable after half a year
P1 was a pleasurable experience.
And than came X1 which is the best of all of them
working beautifully for the last 17 months on stock ROM!
So encouraged by that I bought X2.
And received a massive slap in the face,
I mean this time collectively almost all of the X2 users
agree - this is beyond acceptance.
i thought sony hit their peak with the P1i. near perfect phone in my opinion. i had it over a year and sold it to a friend and hes had it ever since. still going strong and faultless. a joy to use... only took them 6 generations of P phones to do it but then they ditched the series and started again with the X phones.
as to the X2, i firmly lay the blame with microsoft not sony... the hardware was designed by sony this time and is top notch. but all the problems stem from the WM interface. sony try their hardest to hide the limitations of the operating system but it still shows through. i do like WM and the variety of customisation available, but that strength is also its weakness. same as with windows on a pc. because it can be customised so much its impossible to avoid conflicts and bugs. no two X2s are the same. we've all got a different selection of software on our phones with different options and settings. its near impossible to test for all combinations. they fix one bug and another is introduced somewhere else as a result. i dont think its any coincedence that for the X10 and other proposed X phones theyre not using WM anymore....
a new bug that ive spotted thats really annoying:- my phone now randomly turns off! either that or it crashes to a black screen. i have to remove the battery to be able to restart it. done it 4 or 5 times now...
i do like the X2, when it works its brilliant but when it fails it fails immensly. my only hopes are the the next update fixes the **** ups of this update...or someone figures out how to make custom roms and fixes the problems..
I agree. I am designer. I will design a beautiful poster for This Xperia-X2 best stupid phone and publish it on my Facebook address.
I can't stand anymore to this phone. Now I am afraid if I have miscalled or sms. The phone freeze. Damn. Soo... what is X2 for? a telecommunication or decoration?
I remember X1, first release and got bugs too. but we can use tips and trick to custom it. just 1 thing in X1 that I don't like. The volume is too soft. But X2? Huh! what can we do to this stupid phone???
anothadave said:
i thought sony hit their peak with the P1i. near perfect phone in my opinion. i had it over a year and sold it to a friend and hes had it ever since. still going strong and faultless. a joy to use... only took them 6 generations of P phones to do it but then they ditched the series and started again with the X phones.
as to the X2, i firmly lay the blame with microsoft not sony... the hardware was designed by sony this time and is top notch. but all the problems stem from the WM interface. sony try their hardest to hide the limitations of the operating system but it still shows through. i do like WM and the variety of customisation available, but that strength is also its weakness. same as with windows on a pc. because it can be customised so much its impossible to avoid conflicts and bugs. no two X2s are the same. we've all got a different selection of software on our phones with different options and settings. its near impossible to test for all combinations. they fix one bug and another is introduced somewhere else as a result. i dont think its any coincedence that for the X10 and other proposed X phones theyre not using WM anymore....
a new bug that ive spotted thats really annoying:- my phone now randomly turns off! either that or it crashes to a black screen. i have to remove the battery to be able to restart it. done it 4 or 5 times now...
i do like the X2, when it works its brilliant but when it fails it fails immensly. my only hopes are the the next update fixes the **** ups of this update...or someone figures out how to make custom roms and fixes the problems..
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Of course, when it works it's a marvellous piece.
It freezes or refuses to perform basic actions every one or two hours.
I have only 3 or 4 apps installed...
I disagree on the system - I fully blame SE for this incompetent
rude behaviour.
How many other devices on market work on WM 6.5?
Many!!!
If the OS is ****ed - you don't release an update to the customer until it works, as simple as that!
We don't talk about some bugs.
We talk about a basic inability to WORK.
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Now it's all clear.
They were ****ed and late with the device from the beginning.
The first version did not operate some hardware planned features - radio, videocall.
Why? They were late, incompetent and poor.
Now, the new release, BESIDES those huge problems
REMOVES some present before functionality like autorotating.
Why? Because they cannot deal with this.
Because they're incompetent.
They remove the games.
Why?
Because:
1. They use motion sensor so now you cannot play them.
2. They implemented too little memory in the device (idiots!!!)
to leave the games WITH added videocall and radio.
There's 3% possibility that I'm wrong
but my theory is:
X2 will never be OK.
It's probably ****ed exactly the same way P990 was.
I can't believe I was such an idiot and believed in anything
they do.
I agree with doministry
They maybe got confused and packed a pre pre pre beta as the final release.. hahaha
seriously, I want my +$500 phone working SE
lol its funny to see the blog is down too with the complaints doministry posted lol
spikegotti said:
lol its funny to see the blog is down too with the complaints doministry posted lol
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Yes mam!
I've never felt so pissed.
I was waiting patiently for 2 weeks or more for an upgrade
not posting any negative comment.
But what happens now is beyond me.
I also wrote to WmPoweruser and Engadget mobile about this.
lol now i dont feel so bad of waiting on the hd2 to drop its price or buy the htc evo this summer
anothadave said:
i thought sony hit their peak with the P1i. near perfect phone in my opinion. i had it over a year and sold it to a friend and hes had it ever since. still going strong and faultless. a joy to use... only took them 6 generations of P phones to do it but then they ditched the series and started again with the X phones.
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the p1i was more than perfect even the body build is still the best... the P1i IMO was the best smartphone SE ever made
spikegotti said:
lol now i dont feel so bad of waiting on the hd2 to drop its price or buy the htc evo this summer
the p1i was more than perfect even the body build is still the best... the P1i IMO was the best smartphone SE ever made
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Well personally I'm even more happy with X1
really.
P1 was a masterpiece though.
SE,Xperia X2
I has use HTC TynT.ll Kaiser
SE.Xperia.X1
and SE.Xperia X2
I feel exactly the same.X2. it's the worst phone i ever had.
i will not buy any more **** from SE. The X1 was a really nice device but this???
- Weaking Signal than HTC
-X2 also can't Download any city Maps from TomTom Navigate ,even 1 free city ( X1 can ,and working with TomTom Navigate )
- X2,camera with 8 Mega Pix sound good but Blury,no good picture.
- Not good technical Suport .just seat and waiting some one find and fix trouble for them , this is bad.
I say. I will never ever buy SE phone again
This make me remember when Sony CO come out Beta Video Tape,all it bad.
doministry said:
Ok guys, let's be fair.
I have X1 for 17 months and this device is a really great companion.
Reliable, working, stable, powerful, all fine.
Now it's few days after X2 upgrade and I'm sorry, but right now this is a disaster.
Whether I don't get something or this device is a biggest shame I've seen in my life.
Basically this is unpredictable, unstable, unfinished and not proper
piece of ************* crap I've used.
Current behaviour of X2 is like a first firmwares I've seen on P990,
few years back.
After upgrade I've had like 6 freezes through 48 hours - WTF is that?!
Freezing without any reason - just with normal, ordinary actions I do!
The software is completely not optimized at all, looks like a ****ing BETA!!!
I just can't believe it. Just can't believe
they really released this piece of crap.
Unbelievable. This is constantly crashing device.
Once SlideView crashed. Once camera stopped working - soft reset.
Now it crashed after playing a movie from the Total Commander.
It's even more **** - today I opened default WM image gallery and
used it's basic edit functions - used automatic contrast.
Wanted to save and what! Bum - the device cannot save it! Maybe after cropping it,
the device says.... Like a lack of memory!
I mean - I know what software is, always has it's glitches, right.
But what is happening to X2 is like really really bad joke!!!!!!!
Guys, do you think that the problem may be in a wrong upgrade?!
I don't believe it.
So, in fact the 600 Euro piece behaves like a beta stage.
Definitely, the X2 goes back to SE, I want my money back.
You won't **** with me anymore.
Unacceptable. Too much.
I was a fan of SE smartphones (used P800, P910, P990, P1, X1)
All of them served well.
This X2 not. Over. Never gonna buy any SE in my life.
And I think they'll never learn. Never.
In the competitive and tight smartphone market, they are rude enough
to release something like that. And stupid.
Of course I'll not leave it this way. I'll spread the info around.
P.S.
As regarding X1 people experiences were very different,
but generally feedback was good and deserved.
X2 has huge negative feedback right now and I'm not alone.
Besides xda forums, just look at
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produc...able/#comments
What is there is amazing. 90% of negative comments after upgrade.
This device didn't bahave like this before!!!
What about you guys?
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Wow. For a while I thought that doministry's account got hacked since he was the #1 person who'd argue with people who had anything negative to say against the x2 (even x2 users)
If that's not case, glad to see you're man enough to admit you're wrong, mate.