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I returned my Xoom yesterday to Best Buy( No Re-Stocking Fee) in Prep for the iPad2.
Sadly, the ONLY reason i'm returning is because of Tegra2 and it's depressing ability for High Profile video.
Kind of crazy all I really need is a great multimedia experience and my Xoom just wasn't it! So many foreclosure's if I have even 3-4 Tab's open in the browser.
I hope Moto/Google fixes this issue I have no problem buying one again in the future.
Bye! You really didn't need to start a separate thread for this.
Come back when you're tired of iOS.
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Bauxite said:
Bye! You really didn't need to start a separate thread for this.
Come back when you're tired of iOS.
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Really? Would appreciate if non helpful replies be kept to themselve's as yours.
There will be no getting "tired" of iOS. I want a device that works.
When and if the Xoom will "Work" I will be back. Idc about what Operating System it carries. Android and iOS are both incredible.
jamaicansolja said:
Really? Would appreciate if non helpful replies be kept to themselve's as yours.
There will be no getting "tired" of iOS. I want a device that works.
When and if the Xoom will "Work" I will be back. Idc about what Operating System it carries. Android and iOS are both incredible.
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If all you want is high profile video, I hope you don't get a notifcation or 20 while watching all those videos. I hear iOS notifications are wonderful when you're trying to concentrate on one thing.
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If all you're concerned with is high profile video get an Archos 101, and you'll be fine
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jvs60 said:
If all you're concerned with is high profile video get an Archos 101, and you'll be fine
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Owned 2 Archos products in my day.. Very mediocre cheap products compared to the rest. iPad 2 is my best bet for now. Obviously alot will hate on my decision but it's clearly the best "Tablet" as of now. Hopefully I will be able to re-enter the HoneyComb seen shortly as I love the potential.
Bauxite said:
If all you want is high profile video, I hope you don't get a notifcation or 20 while watching all those videos. I hear iOS notifications are wonderful when you're trying to concentrate on one thing.
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I like all mobile devices. I like android more-so than ios, but man - you are about as bad a fanboy of android as the fanboys for apple. That is not something you should be impressed by.
I'm pretty sure you can turn ios notifications off if you need to. BTW.
jamaicansolja said:
I returned my Xoom yesterday to Best Buy( No Re-Stocking Fee) in Prep for the iPad2.
Sadly, the ONLY reason i'm returning is because of Tegra2 and it's depressing ability for High Profile video.
Kind of crazy all I really need is a great multimedia experience and my Xoom just wasn't it! So many foreclosure's if I have even 3-4 Tab's open in the browser.
I hope Moto/Google fixes this issue I have no problem buying one again in the future.
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Just curious (and I mean this in nicest way possible)...why did you find it necessary to create a thread just to tell us you are getting rid of your Xoom?
jamaicansolja said:
Kind of crazy all I really need is a great multimedia experience and my Xoom just wasn't it! So many foreclosure's if I have even 3-4 Tab's open in the browser.
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My Xoom never had any "foreclosure's" [sic].
jamaicansolja said:
I returned my Xoom yesterday to Best Buy( No Re-Stocking Fee) in Prep for the iPad2.
Sadly, the ONLY reason i'm returning is because of Tegra2 and it's depressing ability for High Profile video.
Kind of crazy all I really need is a great multimedia experience and my Xoom just wasn't it! So many foreclosure's if I have even 3-4 Tab's open in the browser.
I hope Moto/Google fixes this issue I have no problem buying one again in the future.
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Both my wife and I have the Xoom. And we rarely get force closes if at all. The video complaint I can kinda understand but:
A.) How many 1080p movies can you fit on a Xoom or any mobile device anyway
B.) I am super confident it will be taken care by a Dev or Google itself
I will never go back to ios. A screen full of icons is so 1990s
I do find it amusing you want "multitasking" and yet you go with the ipad 2. Irony!
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I wonder when all the apple fanboys will go back to whatever message board is most appropriate to talk about apple products....
I owned an iPad for 10 months. I got my Xoom on day 1. With all of the Xoom's temporary shortcomings, I'd pick it over the iPad any day. Personally I feel that the iPad 2 is a joke - definately not worth upgrading from iPad to iPad2. It's like when the iPhone 3g got upgraded to the 3gs. Laughable!
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Just curious (and I mean this in nicest way possible)...why did you find it necessary to create a thread just to tell us you are getting rid of your Xoom?
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+1 explanation please.
Also, you complain about "non helpful" replies yet you started a whole "non helpful" thread. Where's the logic in that?
I wish people would realise that XDA forums are NOT for complaints.
You know apple fanboy == attention whore. :]
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Just curious (and I mean this in nicest way possible)...why did you find it necessary to create a thread just to tell us you are getting rid of your Xoom?
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Because I love the community and I will no longer see you folks.
Strange, ...
Are you sure that iPad2 is capable of playing that H.264 High Profile?
Have you checked the official spec of iPad2?
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; Motion JPEG (M-JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format
Nothing mentioned high profile ...
jamaicansolja said:
I returned my Xoom yesterday to Best Buy( No Re-Stocking Fee) in Prep for the iPad2.
Sadly, the ONLY reason i'm returning is because of Tegra2 and it's depressing ability for High Profile video.
Kind of crazy all I really need is a great multimedia experience and my Xoom just wasn't it! So many foreclosure's if I have even 3-4 Tab's open in the browser.
I hope Moto/Google fixes this issue I have no problem buying one again in the future.
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Both my wife and I have the Xoom. And we rarely get force closes if at all. The video complaint I can kinda understand but:
A.) How many 1080p movies can you fit on a Xoom or any mobile device anyway
B.) I am super confident it will be taken care by a Dev or Google itself
I will never go back to ios. A screen full of icons is so 1990s
I do find it amusing you want "multitasking" and yet you go with the ipad 2. Irony!
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I'm pretty sure he said multimedia man lol
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colbyb25 said:
Both my wife and I have the Xoom. And we rarely get force closes if at all. The video complaint I can kinda understand but:
A.) How many 1080p movies can you fit on a Xoom or any mobile device anyway
B.) I am super confident it will be taken care by a Dev or Google itself
I will never go back to ios. A screen full of icons is so 1990s
I do find it amusing you want "multitasking" and yet you go with the ipad 2. Irony!
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A) Very True. But, I should be able to easily fit 720P video and/or be able to get software that can decode for me correct? Having to convert manually will never be a solution in 2011 for me to play on a Tablet.
B) This is Theory.
I do want to multi-task I actually sold my iPad for the Xoom; because I have all Android phones*.
I love the screen full of iCons once customized. I think this is also opinion. I love BOTH Android and iOS. But "Honeycomb" just isn't ready for the public. And we don't know how long untill we get updated officially. I root my device's but don't like to really tweak to much. So, even if a XDA hack solution is available I and the common folk won't use it.
The Xoom is sexy and I F*(&*(& Miss it like HELL right now!!!
But, I remember how easy it was to just upload a dam 720P Starcraft2 video from YouTube downloader.
Quite funny as to why you actually went for Xoom in first place?
Just read 1 of the article & it actually sums up entire Tablet war....
1)Various so called websites{Engadget--funded by Steve Restriction Jobs & others} complaints are glitches, battery life, and slowdowns. Yes, glitches and slowdowns are there. Do they ruin/hinder the experience at all? Heck no. People fail to realize that Android Honeycomb is a much more sophisticated interface than iOS. When you take into account everything Android does over iOS (widgets, customization, live wallpapers, true multitasking, better web browsing etc.), of course battery life and performance will take small hits. But in the grand scheme of things, Android has improved tenfold from Android 1.0 and performs amazingly well for everything it does. iOS is an app driven interface, which isn’t a bad thing, but the user has no freedom to customize the device to make it their own. The experience gets boring for someone who has used iDevices for a few years now. If you took a tech blogger’s iPad and compared it to a random 80-year old grandmother’s iPad, they would nearly look identical. But if you took my Xoom and compared it to anyone else’s in the world, I guarantee they would look completely different.
2)It isn’t fair to compare the performance of Android Honeycomb to iOS for previously stated reasons. I get a laugh when a tech journalist “compares” Android Honeycomb to iOS and says Honeycomb isn’t as fast and continues on to crown iOS/the iPad 2 like it’s perfect. Someone who reviews technology for a living should make it clear that Android has much more going on at any given time compared to iOS.
3)Another funny thing I see people say a lot is the Motorola Xoom/Android Honeycomb will never be as popular as the iPad 2/iOS. Uhh, okay? Why does it matter to YOU which one is more popular? Use both, see which one you like more, and go with it. Android Honeycomb will catch on and so will the Motorola Xoom. They aren’t aimed at the same audiences. Apple markets the iPad as this magical, cute, family friendly device while the Xoom is marketed as this totally bad ass, rugged machine that can turn into a spaceship if you try to grab it.
This guy has just summed up the entire Android 3.0 Honeycomb story.
iPad an oversized ipod Touch Tablet
I'm not a fanboy but can someone please explain to me why it's so difficult to play Video on this thing? Can someone also explain why the browser crashes? My device wasn't rooted but it would crash if it had to many tab's open and when I moved to quickly between them. Completely stock with only CNN tablet app installed.
What i'm saying is I paid 847$ for this. I expect it to just play the standard of HD Video. If it cannot handle this standard, you will have to decode the video specifically to this standard. Some as you see on the forums are still having this issue with certain solutions.
This iPad as a ex user didn't have these issues with video. So ofcourse the iPad2 will improve. BUT I feel the Xoom is better hardware so the problem is "how" long will the wait of fix be? I then see an Update that doesn't even list anything about Flash, SD Card Support, but a Time fix?
Recently, I have been so negative about my Epic 4G, so this time, I am writing why it became so outdated. I believe during Froyo era, Epic 4G was the best phone ever. It had better cpu/gpu for everyday experience and had better gaming performance than any other phones. When compared to Evo, our Epic crushes Evo with superior screen quality, better camera/camcorder+FFC and speedier everyday performance. It was once named top Android phone on some website.
Although Epic had its faults, such as keyboard skipping and inaccurate GPS, these were quickly fixed/mitigated by our proud devs in XDA. I was also pleasantly surprised when Epic natively supported 720P avi and mkv files. Epic really shined when all the emulators like FPSE, N64oid came out and they ran nicely and utilized keyboard well. I personally thought it was amazing to run PS games on my Epic. Some people even mistook my Epic as a PSP. So everything was good and I was proud to be the owner of the best phone.
Fast forwarding to Gingerbread era, where many high end phones are coming out with current OS installed, our Epic is still shining. When I run Netflix, the phone handles well, there are no signs of phone struggling. When on skype call, I can simultaneously browse webs or play games without causing the phone to slowdown too much. Also when using Google navigation and music simultaneously, the phone handles it with breeze. I didn’t have much frustration because of phone lagging/crashing. So Epic is still up there when it’s about performance. But why I do I still feel dissatisfied. Why do I feel so short changed?
The environment is changing. More specifically, technology is advancing in a way features of Epic 4G can’t utilize. More and more sophisticated apps are coming to Android and most of them are optimized for keyboardless phones. These sophisticated apps were already successful on iPhone platform, so naturally, these apps are optimized for keyboardless phones. Recent days, I rarely use my HW keyboard. I don’t play emulator games anymore as native games have better experience. Apps are becoming more virtual keyboard friendly that it is faster and comfortable than HW Keys. It seems like developers build apps without thinking about HW keyboard. The keyboard can still be utilized for document editing, but there are no good viable document editors. Also, this task is being quickly replaced by tablets as it has more potential thus developers are ditching developing good office apps for phones.
Also when talking about playing HD contents. It is now a trend to stream HD videos. People used to transfer mkv files to the phone to watch them but this is not only cumbersome to do it, it is a chore when having to deal with limited amount of SD space. It is very convenient to stream HD contents right on the phone with so much more selections. Epic can also do that but with critical limits. The current 3G is unreliable and 4G is not available for the majority. Phone still needs to rely on WIFI, when at this point, it is just better to use a tablet or a laptop.
A feature like FFC is not utilized as well since Skype is so slow on updating and supporting FFC for non-Gingerbread phones. It is difficult to have a video chat with people w/o high-end phones since they have to use the rear camera, which then they can’t see me, rendering video chat useless.
So all of sudden, the phone, Epic 4G, that had complete features, feels so outdated and unsupported. This is bound to happen for any phones out there, but it feels Epic was especially short-lived. The phone that had so many potential is quickly being outdated without ever realizing any of them. This is why I feel frustrated and how turn of events made Epic less useful.
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Recently, I have been so negative about my Epic 4G, so this time, I am writing why it became so outdated. I believe during Froyo era, Epic 4G was the best phone ever. It had better cpu/gpu for everyday experience and had better gaming performance than any other phones. When compared to Evo, our Epic crushes Evo with superior screen quality, better camera/camcorder+FFC and speedier everyday performance. It was once named top Android phone on some website.
Although Epic had its faults, such as keyboard skipping and inaccurate GPS, these were quickly fixed/mitigated by our proud devs in XDA. I was also pleasantly surprised when Epic natively supported 720P avi and mkv files. Epic really shined when all the emulators like FPSE, N64oid came out and they ran nicely and utilized keyboard well. I personally thought it was amazing to run PS games on my Epic. Some people even mistook my Epic as a PSP. So everything was good and I was proud to be the owner of the best phone.
Fast forwarding to Gingerbread era, where many high end phones are coming out with current OS installed, our Epic is still shining. When I run Netflix, the phone handles well, there are no signs of phone struggling. When on skype call, I can simultaneously browse webs or play games without causing the phone to slowdown too much. Also when using Google navigation and music simultaneously, the phone handles it with breeze. I didn’t have much frustration because of phone lagging/crashing. So Epic is still up there when it’s about performance. But why I do I still feel dissatisfied. Why do I feel so short changed?
The environment is changing. More specifically, technology is advancing in a way features of Epic 4G can’t utilize. More and more sophisticated apps are coming to Android and most of them are optimized for keyboardless phones. These sophisticated apps were already successful on iPhone platform, so naturally, these apps are optimized for keyboardless phones. Recent days, I rarely use my HW keyboard. I don’t play emulator games anymore as native games have better experience. Apps are becoming more virtual keyboard friendly that it is faster and comfortable than HW Keys. It seems like developers build apps without thinking about HW keyboard. The keyboard can still be utilized for document editing, but there are no good viable document editors. Also, this task is being quickly replaced by tablets as it has more potential thus developers are ditching developing good office apps for phones.
Also when talking about playing HD contents. It is now a trend to stream HD videos. People used to transfer mkv files to the phone to watch them but this is not only cumbersome to do it, it is a chore when having to deal with limited amount of SD space. It is very convenient to stream HD contents right on the phone with so much more selections. Epic can also do that but with critical limits. The current 3G is unreliable and 4G is not available for the majority. Phone still needs to rely on WIFI, when at this point, it is just better to use a tablet or a laptop.
A feature like FFC is not utilized as well since Skype is so slow on updating and supporting FFC for non-Gingerbread phones. It is difficult to have a video chat with people w/o high-end phones since they have to use the rear camera, which then they can’t see me, rendering video chat useless.
So all of sudden, the phone, Epic 4G, that had complete features, feels so outdated and unsupported. This is bound to happen for any phones out there, but it feels Epic was especially short-lived. The phone that had so many potential is quickly being outdated without ever realizing any of them. This is why I feel frustrated and how turn of events made Epic less useful.
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Agreed. At the time I loved my Epic but it seems like wireless companies are hell bent now on releasing new phones every 5 minutes it seems. This is funny considering most carriers look at reducing or preventing you from using it (capped data plans, touting 3D streams and Netflix sure is retarded when you can only watch so many episodes or stream so many movies a month). This has led to a large decline in support for existing devices, because why give a **** when you can just release something more powerful with upgrades software already built in that people can just buy. When I first got my Hero is was awesome, little slow but it was my first Android experience. The Epic 4G blew it out of the water, and I still love playing PSX games on it from time time, as well as Plants vs. Zombies and Cut the Rope look beautiful on the Super AMOLED screen. But when looking back, with all the hardware and software problems (GPS, keyboard, reboots, buttons) I still loved my device. Sadly, the trend has already started of shelling out half-finished products that companies can just "update".. but where do you draw the line when the product doesn't get updated? Both the carrier and the consumer lose. For me personally I've had my Epic since launch and I'm looking to trade it our for a Nexus S. Sure it doesn't have a keyboard and smaller resolution video but guess what: it's supported by Google themselves and gets updated off the bat.
Like Google said today, they are their own worst enemy. And with the shortened product cycle and lack of updates, people are foaming at the mouths for the iPhone5. And after stealing so many of Windows 7/Android "features" and calling them their own, Apple is looking at another record profit year because at the end of the day a large portion of people just want a phone that "works" and Apple supplies that kind of product. Reminds me of a nice little quote: "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
tl;dr: Newer phones are better than the 13 month old Epic. Also, apparently since it has a real keyboard, virtual keyboards don't work on it, for some reason.
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tl;dr: Newer phones are better than the 13 month old Epic. Also, apparently since it has a real keyboard, virtual keyboards don't work on it, for some reason.
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It comes with 3 virtual keyboards (swype, samsung, and android). And unless typing here or anywhere else I would type more than 5 word I rarely use the hw keyboard.
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vita10gy said:
Newer phones are better than the 13 month old Epic.
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Imagine that
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OP - Welcome to the world of Evolution.
...pull up a chair and have a set.
Honestly, my ET4G made me start to think my Epic was old. I didn't want a new phone at all until lately. The numbers don't lie. Screenies are stock ROM, stock kernel with root. Edit..the Quadrant test is actually a low score. I can't read those tiny previews...
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I still don't think the current generation of phones is sooo much better that it's worth upgrading yet personally. The hardware has stood up to the test of time so far if we just get some official gingerbread finally, this phone will get me by just fine for another 9+ months.
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I still don't think the current generation of phones is sooo much better that it's worth upgrading yet personally. The hardware has stood up to the test of time so far if we just get some official gingerbread finally, this phone will get me by just fine for another 9+ months.
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+1 A stable GB will do me just fine even beyond my upgrade date of 1/1/12
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+1 A stable GB will do me just fine even beyond my upgrade date of 1/1/12
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A stable Gingerbread would make this phone feel new again. I am just concerned because we have had what 3 or 4 leaks now with almost the same issues. I hope the next one will fix the reboot issue
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What's this?? Exponential technilogical advances are making electronics obsolete at an exponential rate??? Gonna have to have the boys in the lab verify these findings and get back to you ...
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What's this?? Exponential technilogical advances are making electronics obsolete at an exponential rate??? Gonna have to have the boys in the lab verify these findings and get back to you ...
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Lol...well played sir
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Well, to be honest, what are you REALLY trying to do? Keep up with the Joneses?
What irks me the most is the random quirks: Unresponsive apps, random force closes, half-baked apps that feel like weekend projects, having to pull the battery on some freezes, GPS drops, video recording issues, and TOO MANY OPTIONS TO WORK WITH! I'm finding myself "working" with my phone rather than "playing" with my phone.
Now, I love this community. I'm a geek, but not a total geek. I have SFR 1.2 installed, phone unrooted, and a custom kernel running (I forget what off the top of my head). I love being able to customize my phone... but it's getting to the point to where I just want to say "SCREW IT! JUST WORK RIGHT SO I CAN USE THE DAMN THING!"
That's what Apple does right: It just WORKS. However, there are many things I will miss if I switch to an iPhone: Widgets, a bigger screen, customizing my home screen, Roam Control, Google Navigation, and Voice Search just off the top of my head.
It's weird: I have an iMac, Macbook Pro, and iPad, but I have an Android phone. I love it... but these quirks are pissing me off. I tell everyone I meet that my phone works amazingly well 95% of the time. That 5% drives me CRAZY!
But, going back to your rant about our phone being a beast of a phone like the new phones: Relax. The Epic 4G is pretty damn epic! There's no "killer" feature yet that is coming out that will make me want to get a new phone. I don't play many games on my phone. I have my iPad for that. The next killer feature is the NFC chip, which I think the iPhone 5 will have. If it does, I just might switch. I know the Google Nexus S has one, but the Nexus S is basically an Epic 4G without the keyboard. I'd wait until the next version of the Nexus comes out and compare with the iPhone 5.
Yeah, I find myself flashing every ROM and kernel that comes out because I am still trying to get my phone to the point where everything is working properly without issues. On my ET4G, I rooted it, flashed the CRT+1% battery mod and put the stock kernel back on it. I haven't flashed any of the early ROMs because I am very happy with how everything is functioning. I hope I can get my Epic to that point some day
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Yeah, I find myself flashing every ROM and kernel that comes out because I am still trying to get my phone to the point where everything is working properly without issues. On my ET4G, I rooted it, flashed the CRT+1% battery mod and put the stock kernel back on it. I haven't flashed any of the early ROMs because I am very happy with how everything is functioning. I hope I can get my Epic to that point some day
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EXACTLY WHY I CHECK THE FORUMS EVERYDAY! You just made me realize why I do it. I guess I'm always looking for the bigger, better, faster method. I have to admit, I check the Android Market once or twice daily to see if there's any updated apps. I must be OCD or something.
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EXACTLY WHY I CHECK THE FORUMS EVERYDAY! You just made me realize why I do it. I guess I'm always looking for the bigger, better, faster method. I have to admit, I check the Android Market once or twice daily to see if there's any updated apps. I must be OCD or something.
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Its the whole android motive, even though everything is working perfectly for me I feel the need to brick it and odin just to restore everything and change it up a bit maybe different theme or ROM lol its never been that it doesn't work for me. I have an ipod touch and that's it,it just works lol I get bored with it jailbroken or not its boring after a while lol.
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R3537L1F3 said:
It comes with 3 virtual keyboards (swype, samsung, and android). And unless typing here or anywhere else I would type more than 5 word I rarely use the hw keyboard.
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Yes, that's why it was sarcasm. I'm not sure what the OP's point was there. What possible method of on screen controls won't work on the Epic?
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Yes, that's why it was sarcasm. I'm not sure what the OP's point was there. What possible method of on screen controls won't work on the Epic?
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I feel confident that the OP is trolling and most likely owns a htc evo 3d. Im running at 1.5 ghz stable and epic screams. It suks the life out of the battery like some members here on kokers but thats why I have 2 extra batteries free from our beloved asurion. Don't ask how trolls! Every app runs like a black man from police. Don't you trolls go anul and report me to mods! Im joking for gods sake! But the battery sucking pawer is true.
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Do you guys think ice cream sandwich can keep up with ios's smoothness? I used to hate apple and still don't like itmuch, but if ice cream sandwich won't be at least almost as smooth as ios, then i will definitely think about getting an ipad and selling my android tablet.. ios 5 has a lot of features that can keep up with current android, and it gives a really good experience with buttery smooth transition animation, although a little less feature. I know we should wait till tmr to find out all the features of ics, but do you guys think it will be smooth with no lag, especially the jerkiness when scrolling?
If your tablet is exceedingly jerky you should try wiping it or getting a replacement.
Besides that, I have no doubt that there will be plenty of under the hood improvements along with the UI updates.
Thanar said:
If your tablet is exceedingly jerky you should try wiping it or getting a replacement.
Besides that, I have no doubt that there will be plenty of under the hood improvements along with the UI updates.
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I was going to say... "what jerkiness?"
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I was going to say... "what jerkiness?"
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If you've ever used a current ios device then you know exactly what he's talking about. my a500 overclocked at 1.5 on a fresh install, is nowhere near as smooth as an ios device. There are certain jitters when performing certain actions. And lag when typing is a huge issue, that I can't seem to fix regardly of rom choice keyboard choice or overclock settings.
I'd recommend waiting until tomorrow night. They might pull out something "amazing" like with froyo and increase speed across the board again.
What little I have been reading about it Google is really working on UI, including trying to speed up transitions and effects. Whether or not they succeed remains to be seen, so my advice is: don't throw out the baby with the bath-water. Wait until you get a chance to actually try it YOURSELF once it's out and ignore rumours.
Yea comparing to ios, my tablet (usually smooth) is very jittery. And one thing that I haven't been doing much but started doing a lot is using it in portrait mode, and I just can't stand the lag.. and i really hope there will be at least close amount of various animation that are present in ios..and I REALLY hope the scrolling lag will be gone, like in youtube app, or actually any other app, when scrolling while loading image or something, is laggy. After I've spent some time with ios in a retail store, I really can't stand the lag haha..
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What little I have been reading about it Google is really working on UI, including trying to speed up transitions and effects. Whether or not they succeed remains to be seen, so my advice is: don't throw out the baby with the bath-water. Wait until you get a chance to actually try it YOURSELF once it's out and ignore rumours.
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And yea, I hope they succeed. I will definitely try it out. I THINK windows phone 7 is pretty smooth and ios is of course smooth but was wondering, why the biggest software company cant make their os better. Than apple and microsoft. I mean that in the general transition effect in terms of smoothness, not the OS features.
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And yea, I hope they succeed. I will definitely try it out. I THINK windows phone 7 is pretty smooth and ios is of course smooth but was wondering, why the biggest software company cant make their os better. Than apple and microsoft. I mean that in the general transition effect in terms of smoothness, not the OS features.
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Well, atleast partially the reason is technical: Apple's iOS is all native code AFAIK and tuned for Apple's hardware. After all, Apple controls all the parts that go to their devices and only choose parts that they know will work on iOS. Google on the other hand has to provide an OS platform that is a lot more malleable and can run on a wide range of devices with wildly differing characteristics, so it creates some overhead. Plus Android isn't native code, so again that creates some execution overhead.
And well, remember that iOS builds on OSX, it's just streamlined and tuned for mobile devices whereas Android is a completely new OS and Google doesn't have much previous experience in OS development. Ie. Apple has a lot of headway compared to Google and it'll take some time for Google to catch up.
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Well, atleast partially the reason is technical: Apple's iOS is all native code AFAIK and tuned for Apple's hardware. After all, Apple controls all the parts that go to their devices and only choose parts that they know will work on iOS. Google on the other hand has to provide an OS platform that is a lot more malleable and can run on a wide range of devices with wildly differing characteristics, so it creates some overhead. Plus Android isn't native code, so again that creates some execution overhead.
And well, remember that iOS builds on OSX, it's just streamlined and tuned for mobile devices whereas Android is a completely new OS and Google doesn't have much previous experience in OS development. Ie. Apple has a lot of headway compared to Google and it'll take some time for Google to catch up.
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I truly love your informative posts... Thanks for being a part of this community.
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I truly love your informative posts... Thanks for being a part of this community.
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Eh. I'm somewhat surprised to get such feedback, usually I just hear that I'm an arrogant bastard. But well, thanks. I just saw an opportunity for giving some real feedback in an effort to stop an oncoming flamewar.
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arrogant bastard, a great beer!
Come on, don't give up on android, for sure ios have by far the most smooth scrolling, but android gave you the fun to improving it. I get alot of satisfaction by flashing roms, kernels, overclocking, overcharging or simply playing around with the theme and designing your own styling. It's open and free. ois is all about giving you something that's good at a ridiculously high price...
iOS is definitely more refined when it comes to animations, ascetics, and fine detail. All of which creates a more pleasing (to look at) and responsive UI.
My iOS devices do occasionally succumb to the same animation stutters and laggy keyboard as my Android ones. However, usually only after a jailbreak and installing homebrew.
My biggest complaint with Android tablets (and android in general) is App support. Tablet app selection is dismal on Android and compatibility with 2.3 apps even worse.
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Do you guys think ice cream sandwich can keep up with ios's smoothness? I used to hate apple and still don't like itmuch, but if ice cream sandwich won't be at least almost as smooth as ios, then i will definitely think about getting an ipad and selling my android tablet.. ios 5 has a lot of features that can keep up with current android, and it gives a really good experience with buttery smooth transition animation, although a little less feature. I know we should wait till tmr to find out all the features of ics, but do you guys think it will be smooth with no lag, especially the jerkiness when scrolling?
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iOS was built from the ground up to use very little memory and CPU cycles. Remember when you couldn't even multitask on there? Well now all that has changed but Apple is sticking to the principle.
Android on the other hand is built upon Linux. Google is doing the very best with the software and tools they have. If you imitate iOS and remove all your widgets and satisfy with just some icons on your home screens it's highly likely you'll mimic very closely the experience of iOS in terms of the OS being lag free. Of course this varies from person to person in what and how many apps they are running, etc. Any apps that run services will take some toll on the system; herein lies an example of a big difference between how Android vs. iOS works.
Widgets also use up a chunk of memory as well as CPU cycles at a time and are one of the priority reasons the software may lag, especially some of those flashy ones like CNN/News widgets, big ones like Music/Video widgets or constantly moving ones like Weather/Time widgets.
We can only wait and see what ICS will bring. There's no guarantee that it will be any faster/smoother than Honeycomb is; for me Honeycomb is pretty damned smooth. Also Vanilla Android/Honeycomb doesn't consist of that many animations to start with unless you get 3rd party launchers...but scrolling for me and launching apps carries little to no lag with it.
Keep in mind also that momentum has built up and hardware has caught up with software demands. My G1 with 1.6 cannot begin to compare to my myTouch4G with 2.3 on it. If the trend continues we can more than likely safely assume that any sort of lag will disappear as more powerful processors are introduced.
Ultimately it's up to you to decide what's more important to you.
I'm not sure I could give up my widgets at this point just to get smoother animations as I have grown accustomed to and am now depending on them.
If you think you like iOS more for any reason, especially if you feel it now matches Android in terms of features, I'd definitely make the switch sooner than later. I'd hate to spend money on Android apps and then have to buy them all over again on iOS.
When would we reasonably except ICS to be available for the Acer Iconia?
Either for Rooted users or in a OTA upgrade?
I'd say about a month. People will probably have it booting (but that'll be about it) day of the source being released though.
Another bloke confirmed that Acer is planning on supporting the A500 with ICS.
So, today is the day. I'm EST, so 10pm for me.
Rather than start a new thread, I'm just throwing this in here incase anyone wants to chat about it later.
youtube.com/android
Of course it's a Samsung event but it should still provide some tasty insights.
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So, today is the day. I'm EST, so 10pm for me.
Rather than start a new thread, I'm just throwing this in here incase anyone wants to chat about it later.
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Of course it's a Samsung event but it should still provide some tasty insights.
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Lolwut...
Beyond that, i've never understood why the quality of an os is judged on its fancy animations. Truth be told, when given the option, i turn animations off to the highest degree possible.
A former intern for Google's Android team has provided explanations for why Android experiences more touch interface lag than competing mobile operating systems from Apple, Microsoft and Research in Motion.
Undergraduate software engineering student Andrew Munn posted his observations on Google+, as noted by Cult of Mac. He did disclaim, however, that he will be starting an internship with Microsoft's Windows Phone team in January, adding that any opinions from the report were his alone.
According to Munn, Android has a difficult time dealing with the touch interface because it handles rendering "on the main thread with normal priority," as opposed to iOS, which treats UI rendering with real-time priority. He cites examples of website loading and the Movies app on Android where the operating system will continue to load while registering touch input.
Munn identified several other factors that contribute to UI lag on Android. For instance, the photo gallery app in either Android 3.0 Honeycomb or 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich is capped at 30 frames per second in order to prevent a noticeable "hiccup" at 60 FPS.
"Capping the frame rate at 30 fixes the hiccup problem at the expense of buttery smooth animations at all times," he said.
The author also pointed to hardware issues for Android. According to him, Nvidia's Tegra 2 chip limits Android because of its low memory bandwidth and lack of NEON instruction set support. Tablets based on Honeycomb would be "better off with a different GPU," such as the Samsung Hummingbird or Apple A4.
Munn noted that Android "has a ways to go" before achieving more efficient UI compositing, especially when compared against Apple's iOS.
"On iOS, each UI view is rendered separately and stored in memory, so many animations only require the GPU to recomposite UI views," he said. "GPUs are extremely good at this. Unfortunately, on Android, the UI hierarchy is flattened before rendering, so animations require every animating section of the screen to be redrawn."
Another reason for the lag is the limitations of Android's Dalvik virtual machine, which is "not as mature" as a desktop-class Java VM, Munn said. However, the issue with Dalvik will be offset by hardware acceleration from Ice Cream Sandwich on and improvements to Dalvik.
But, in spite of the improvements, Munn believes the Android user interface "will never be completely smooth because of the design constraints" that limit UI rendering to the main thread of an app with normal priority.
"Even with a Galaxy Nexus, or the quad-core EeePad Transformer Prime, there is no way to guarantee a smooth frame rate if these two design constraints remain true," he said. "It’s telling that it takes the power of a Galaxy Nexus to approach the smoothness of a three year old iPhone."
According to Munn, the reason behind the design change is that the original Android prototype didn't have a touchscreen, as it was meant to be a BlackBerry competitor. As such, Android's architecture is meant to support a keyboard and trackball. Munn further claimed that after the original iPhone arrived in 2007, Google rushed to complete Android, but "it was too late to rewrite the UI framework."
He cited Windows Mobile 6.5, BlackBerry OS and Symbian as examples of other older operating systems that suffered similar problems with touch performance. Microsoft, RIM and Nokia have all abandoned those OSes in order to start from scratch. "Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone," the report noted.
Android Software Engineer Romain Guy admitted as much when he said that choices made years ago had contributed to work the team has to do now.
"Having the UI thread handle animations is the biggest problem," he said. "We are working on other solutions to try to improve this (schedule drawing on vsync instead of block on vsync after drawing, possible use a separate rendering thread, etc.) An easy solution would of course to create a new UI toolkit but there are many downsides to this also.”
According to the report, those downsides include the fact that apps would have to be rewritten to support the new framework, Android would need legacy support for old apps and work on other Android features would be held up while the new framework was being built.
"However, I believe the rewrite must happen, despite the downsides. As an aspiring product manager, I find Android’s lagginess absolutely unacceptable. It should be priority #1 for the Android team," Munn said.
UI Lag has long been an area for which reviewers have criticized Android. One recent usability study by Jakob Nielsen on Amazon's Android-based Kindle Fire found erratic scrolling and "huge lag in response after pressing command-buttons." Nielsen suspected that "sloppy programming" was causing the issue.
The New York Times' David Pogue also took issue with the Kindle Fire. "Animations are sluggish and jerky -- even the page turns that you'd think would be the pride of the Kindle team," he said in his review. "Taps sometimes don't register. There are no progress or 'wait' indicators, so you frequently don't know if the machine has even registered your touch commands. The momentum of the animations hasn't been calculated right, so the whole thing feels ornery."
Munn himself viewed the issue as damaging to Android's image. He also saw it as a violation of Google's guiding principles, which have generally led to faster, optimized products. Finally, he mentioned that UI lag breaks the direct 1-to-1 relationship that touch screens offer.
"The device no longer feels natural. It loses the magic. The user is pulled out of their interaction and must implicitly acknowledge they are using an imperfect computer simulation. I often get “lost” in an iPad, but I cringe when a Xoom stutters between home screens," he said.
To conclude, the report ended on a more upbeat note, with Munn voicing his belief that the Android rendering framework is in the hands of a capable team. "I know they will have it eventually," he said.
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I`m sorry o hear this .. so is there any chances that google make android on same structure as ios?
I know IOS is for only Apple devices, and because of that is feeling so smoth .. but how windows (computer windows) can be smoth for all computer configurations? and Android can`t, even quad core can`t stable android ....
This article makes me think. Let`s hope that there will be future improvement on how Google will write it`s UI code. I mean, it`s sad to have an SGS2 or an quad-core powered phone/tablet and a OS to hold back it`s power.
And more or less in reply to this came a post by Dianne Hackborn, who is part of the Android development team, explaining why most of this was either irrelevant or wrong.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/XAZ4CeVP6DC
Still, plenty of questions of course.
I heard that android was made for phones with buttons and because of this we have all problems ...
No way this is true.
Nope, the system is power smooth and no lag whatsoever. Nada.
The truth is IQ restricted to a few in Android. Be happy with what you got. All the user posted issues are IDIOT related, as a senior member reminded me.
/sarcasm off
Dalvik VM limitations were known and were a set back from the beginning (just like fat32). Nevertheless, they ''fixed it'' somehow, this is why Oracle is giving hard time to Google.
I can't say WP7/BBoS is smoother/better when compared to SGS2 GB...but both OS's are smoother when compared to appropriate hardware.
Student i see well that's not somebody that knows what they are talking about is it .
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This is false because thread priority can be assigned by the OS or even the software (in certain cases). The reason why the web browser in the iPhone is more responsive than in Android is as follows.
On the iPhone, the web browser is rendered with a tiling method, What this means is that the only things drawn in high quality are the "tile" that you see (everything on screen) as well as the immediately touching tiles. Ever notice that when you pan/scroll on iOS, it seems to only leap one page, similar to Page Down on your PC? This gives the browser time to dump tiles that are no longer adjacent while rendering the newly adjacent tiles in higher quality.
On Android, the entire page is rendered in the same quality. This is more work, so scrolling/panning/zooming fluidity suffers. This allows for a consistent but not as smooth approach. It also means that you can flick-scroll indefinitely.
On the SGS2, Samsung tried to implement the tiling approach but left in the Android scrolling limitations. This means that you can sometimes scroll faster than the page can keep up, causing a checkerboard affect (this is what Apple is hiding with their method).
On the ICS browser, Google also adopted the tiling method (finally), and managed to disguise the checkerboard affect by covering it with the webpage's default background color. The "checkerboard" is still there, but you never see or notice it. Anyway, I did a writeup with videos to illustrate this. Unfortunately, most idiots are taking the videos as fanboy fodder. They seem to think that the point was to show off how much better phone X is than phone Y, rather than to show the differences in approaches. The RAZR/Rezound will have these enhancements with their 4.x update.
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67100
Yep, pretty much accurate info here but this is only regarding browser smoothness. Responsiveness is another issue android seems to have. When you scroll in iOS the contents are almost always directly below your finger, not "lagging" behind your swipes trying to catch up as you normally see in Android. I'm no expert so I have no idea what the cause of this is.
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This is false because thread priority can be
assigned by the OS or even the software (in certain cases). The reason why the web browser in the iPhone is more responsive than in Android is as follows.
On the iPhone, the web browser is rendered with a tiling method, What this means is that the only things drawn in high quality are the "tile" that you see (everything on screen) as well as the immediately touching tiles. Ever notice that when you pan/scroll on iOS, it seems to only leap one page, similar to Page Down on your PC? This gives the browser time to dump tiles that are no longer adjacent while rendering the newly adjacent tiles in higher quality.
On Android, the entire page is rendered in the same quality. This is more work, so scrolling/panning/zooming fluidity suffers. This allows for a consistent but not as smooth approach. It also means that you can flick-scroll indefinitely.
On the SGS2, Samsung tried to implement the tiling approach but left in the Android scrolling limitations. This means that you can sometimes scroll faster than the page can keep up, causing a checkerboard affect (this is what Apple is hiding with their method).
On the ICS browser, Google also adopted the tiling method (finally), and managed to disguise the checkerboard affect by covering it with the webpage's default background color. The "checkerboard" is still there, but you never see or notice it. Anyway, I did a writeup with videos to illustrate this. Unfortunately, most idiots are taking the videos as fanboy fodder. They seem to think that the point was to show off how much better phone X is than phone Y, rather than to show the differences in approaches. The RAZR/Rezound will have these enhancements with their 4.x update.
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67100
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Yep, pretty much accurate info here but this is only regarding browser smoothness. Responsiveness is another issue android seems to have. When you scroll in iOS the contents are almost always directly below your finger, not "lagging" behind your swipes trying to catch up as you normally see in Android. I'm no expert so I have no idea what the cause of this is.
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Depends on the device. This was absolutely true of my HTC Incredible on Android 2.1. With 2.2/2.3 and bloatware removed, the UI outside of the browser is more responsive than my wife's old iPhone 4, but a hair behind her new 4s (The 4 slowed down with iOS 5 due to the new notification shade). This goes back to a previous post I made in another thread where the iPhone's entire UI is GPU accelerated due to not having high requirements. Android's UI is more complex which causes OEMs to decide which elements are accelerated and which are not. In most newer phones the notification shade is always accelerated, the wallpaper is not, but the homescreens are to varying degrees. There is a fill-rate budget and the OEM has to decide what is accelerated and what isn't within this budget.
A prime example is the Nexus S vs. the Galaxy Nexus. While both use the SGX540 GPU, the Galaxy Nexus version is clocked higher and has MUCH higher performance. As such, the entire Galaxy Nexus UI is accelerated. However, for the Nexus S ICS build, only certain parts of the UI are accelerated. Google has gone on record as saying that this is due to hardware limitations.
I'd be willing to bet that this is why the Nexus One isn't getting ICS. The Adreno 200 GPU was subpar even when it came out. With the new overlays in ICS, the UI in the N1 would become laggier rather than smoother, as with previous releases. Google may have felt that the user experience of GB on the N1 is superior to that of ICS due to the new features. Even budget phones today using scaled down Snapdragon S2s or the older OMAP4 have a better GPU than what the N1 had.
sounds like a disgruntled employee speaking half truths.
Guess this guy never tried an sgs2. No lag whatsoever!
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Pretty much spot on. You cnt disagree that ios is muuuuuch smoother than android and that it does lag at times. Student nailed it in my opinion. Well written. Ive always said it has a long way to go and quad core wont b much differnt to dual core phones. When i used a iphone 4s for a while.... it blew me away how slick it was. Future versions will hopefully only get better. But iphone cnt match android open source fun lol. .
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Guess this guy never tried an sgs2. No lag whatsoever!
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Since when u have your s2? Cuz on my s2.. I get lag.. and you know when? UI. When unlocking.. when i close an app it takes some time to get to UI...and so on. And I am on stock firmware.
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Since when u have your s2? Cuz on my s2.. I get lag.. and you know when? UI. When unlocking.. when i close an app it takes some time to get to UI...and so on. And I am on stock firmware.
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No lag whatsoever on my GSII. And on my iPhone 4S there is also no lag. Both aee extremely fluid in my opinion. Galaxy Nexus, GSII, and the 4S are the fastest phones on the market right now.
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Guess this guy never tried an sgs2. No lag whatsoever!
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In fact, when scroll in tapatalk lags, when im moving in desktop and receive a message of whats app or miyowa messenger lags too.
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In fact, when scroll in tapatalk lags, when im moving in desktop and receive a message of whats app or miyowa messenger lags too.
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It lags...period lol
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It lags...period lol
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Correct. So far any Android device lags. Any phone, any tablet, all of them. Sure, we are lucky to have one of the more lag-less devices but anybody who says the SGS2 doesn't lag at all either:
a) is ignorant
b) is very easy to please
c) is blinded by Android fanboyism
d) hasn't seen a true lag free device yet.
The SGS2 lags. Sometimes a little, sometimes like crazy, so be it. Don't claim otherwise.
Yes, my old xperia x10 lagged all the time. But my custom-ROM-running sgs2 doesn't lag. Yes, I've had an iPhone 4 for 8 months so I can compare them.
IMHO, lag is mostly placebo and expecting too much these days. Ugly code can cause the UI to stutter on every platform, including iOS.
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The SGS2 lags. Sometimes a little, sometimes like crazy, so be it. Don't claim otherwise.
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LOL. You must have a heap of bloatware on that thing. Either that or you've flashed a dodgy ROM. I get no lag at all. I think you are getting lag confused with app loading time. If you fire up Asphalt 6 and it takes 10 seconds to load that's not lag. Have a play with a Galaxy S on one of the earlier ROM's. Then you will see lag.
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LOL. You must have a heap of bloatware on that thing.
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No bloatware whatsoever.
Either that or you've flashed a dodgy ROM.
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Tried many many Roms, many many kernels, many many Launchers, etc. All the same thing. The phone will once in a while lag and/or show micro-stutters.
I get no lag at all.
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None at all, really. A statement like that makes all the other things you say worthless. Every Android device will once in a while lag and/or expose micro-stutters.
I think you are getting lag confused with app loading time. If you fire up Asphalt 6 and it takes 10 seconds to load that's not lag.
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I know what lag is, thank you.
It's exactly the same as when people say "my screen is perfect. I have no yellow/darker left side on my panel". When you check it yourself of course the panel isn't even. Usual reply? "Well, I don't see it so it doesn't bother me". That's not the point, it's there. The fact that the phone is 100% smooth for you is nice, only it is not.
Your SGS2 also will have occasional lag/micro stutters. In all apps/all the time? No. In most apps/usually? No. In some apps/occasionally? Yes.
Is it still an amazing phone? For sure. Probably the best/smoothest Android so far? Guess so. Does it sometimes lag and/or stutter? Absolutely.
Nice one. This sums it up really well. We can experience all these things thanks to CM9 on SGSII
http://www.thegadgetmasters.com/201...ice-cream-sandwich-is-better-than-apples-ios/
Maybe 2 reasons....not 10.
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I believe people who spend their time making such lists are simply jealous of iPhone owners.
LMAO at that article, especially on the fast incoming call response point.
Jesus, we need you, again.
Some good points but other points are "trying too hard." Like the fast call response. I'm sure that comes in handy when iOS and Android go Battle WP7 in the Windows Phone challenge and they want to see who can pick up first.
Also this one:
5. Improved text input and spell-checking
The soft keyboard in Android 4.0 makes text input even faster and more accurate. To fix misspelled words more easily, Android 4.0 adds a spell-checker that locates and underlines errors and suggests replacement words. With one tap, you can choose from multiple spelling suggestions, delete a word, or add it to the dictionary. You can even tap to see replacement suggestions for words that are spelled correctly. For specialized features or additional languages, you can now download and install third-party dictionaries, spell-checkers, and other text services.
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Dear God. Let's not even talk about how BAD Android text input was to begin with. In 2.0/2.1 we didn't have multitouch. You can't even type fast. The spell check and autocorrection was horrendous. Gingerbread finally brought multitouch but the autocorrection was still eh at best.
ICS makes it a LOT better, but I swear the iOS keyboard knows me better. I say this as an iPod Touch and Android owner. There are other keyboards that outdo Android's ICS keyboard if you want a good typer. Smart Keyboard Pro for example is amazing. The ICS keyboard is still stupid in that I'm forced to insert a space after I pick one of their suggestions. Smart Keyboard Pro lets me customize those features and choose when to insert an auto space, etc. If it weren't for all the clunky Android stock keyboards, we wouldn't invest so much time into developing 20 billion keyboards such as Swype, SlideIT, Swiftkey, 8pen, and some other ridiculous input methods.
The iOS keyboard set a standard in terms of soft keyboard input. It took Android 2 years to figure out how to get a decent keyboard out the door, and it still pales in many ways. I'm glad we've improved, but in no way can you say the ICS keyboard is a definitive winner. There's nothing about it that kills the iOS keyboard...yet.
there are more than 10 reasons^^ but in some points the article isn't correct.
Android is much more open and it's open source.
you don't need mac to develop apps.
If you want to develop Android stuff. get the free SDK and start.
With root you can do everything.
Android: Wanna share Apps and stuff? no problem.
IOS: Wanna share Apps? jailbreak^^
tethered jailbreak? Oh my ios crashed. I have to get to my pc to reboot xDD
And IOS isn't faster than Android. If you have a 700$ Android dualcore phone, there'll be no lags.
If you like the ios interface get an iphone if you like android interface get an android device. This is a question of taste.
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And IOS isn't faster than Android. If you have a 700$ Android dualcore phone, there'll be no lags.
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Sorry but even a latest gen dual core Android phone like SGS2 doesn't feel as fast as an old iPhone 1 did. It's because of the difference in design philosophy. Read more about it:
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
I don't think I'll ever return to iPhones unless they start coming pre-jailbroken, but I miss the smoothness of the UI so much.
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Sorry but even a latest gen dual core Android phone like SGS2 doesn't feel as fast as an old iPhone 1 did. It's because of the difference in design philosophy. Read more about it:
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
I don't think I'll ever return to iPhones unless they start coming pre-jailbroken, but I miss the smoothness of the UI so much.
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Agreed, my SGS2 tweaked whether its CM7 or CM9 lags behind my friends' iPhone 4Ses. Granted that's not a dealbreaker to me, but it certainly is something that's annoyed me since Day 1. I don't know about an iPhone 2G, but my iPod Touch 4G isn't that fast once jailbroken. If unjailbroken my iPod Touch 4G definitely looks smoother than my SGS2.
Dual core is nice, and it may mean my apps launch super fast, but it doesn't take a dual core phone to activate the camera quickly (just look at Windows Phones)
Hmm well I don't really know about what lag you guys are talking, as my sgs2 with the latest cm9 build is just butter smooth.. Even when scrolling thought a 300 message long sms conversation or going thought all the contacts.. same goes for the app drawer or homescreen, so hey what lags?!
But then I don't have an iPhone to compare it directly, it just feels smooth to me..
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Some good points but other points are "trying too hard." Like the fast call response. I'm sure that comes in handy when iOS and Android go Battle WP7 in the Windows Phone challenge and they want to see who can pick up first....
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Think you might misunderstood that point, it was to fast reply by sms directly to caller instead of just answer or reject
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Sorry but even a latest gen dual core Android phone like SGS2 doesn't feel as fast as an old iPhone 1 did. It's because of the difference in design philosophy. Read more about it:
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/android-may-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-says-ex-googler/
I don't think I'll ever return to iPhones unless they start coming pre-jailbroken, but I miss the smoothness of the UI so much.
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So what are you doing here in SGS2 section?
Get an iPhone and jailbreak it
While I may not necessarily agree with all those listed in the article; I think it is extremely incorrect to say that the SGS2 or any other equivalent/better Android phones aren't AT LEAST as fast as an iPhone 4S.
I understand an individual may incorrectly perceive it to be slower, but it really isn't.
Run MIUI-only or a similar launcher, and you'll see why it "feels" faster..
You guys are nuts...iOS is not fast. It seems so cause of the transitions which makes it look smooth and your brain perceives it as fast. If you could turn off the transition animation, you can see it see how slow it is.
Android needs to polish its transition animations a bit better or maybe make everything hardware accelerated!
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I believe people who spend their time making such lists are simply jealous of iPhone owners.
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Not so much jealous, just they probably had iStuff forever, then jump to android and wish they had stuck with iStuff, so they try and self justify to themselves they infact had made a good choice.
It comes to taste, and what you want from a phone. They will be compared, but at the end of the day, both have there equal amount of pros and cons.
Hey, I also sent this from my Galaxy S2 using Tapatalk..
Markbaja said:
Not so much jealous, just they probably had iStuff forever, then jump to android and wish they had stuck with iStuff, so they try and self justify to themselves they infact had made a good choice.
It comes to taste, and what you want from a phone. They will be compared, but at the end of the day, both have there equal amount of pros and cons.
Hey, I also sent this from my Galaxy S2 using Tapatalk..
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Well said.....
I have something to add . . . i have used both phones and playing a 1080p movie which is the size of 9GB is damn slow on the iphone 4s compared to playing it smoothly on the galaxy s2.
BTW the movie is Dark Knight.
I like the ICS.
But i am not complaining.
After all To each is own...
I think considering what andriod is running especially on our sgs2s, it handles and flows amazingly well, with ios it really is simply a structure of applications ready to launch, ok notifications push fairly reliably but not without problems and apps load smoothly and all run in a similar fluid guided designed way. If you load up ios with lots of jailbreak activities that try to get the phone closer to what android is doing for you, the iphone starts to run slower and laggier yet still doesn't bring you the freedom and choice that we have on our androids, the problem is most people want a simple hit the app and play type control and don't need the complete cuatomised world of android, for instance my wife loves her ipad and it suits her perfectly in its nice guided way, I wouldn't say ics brings anything more than gb did to android, yet perhaps it brings a little more guided ability to bridge the gap from android to ios. If all phones were the same it would be a terribly boring world, each have there strengths, if I could afford to own them all I would.
What about as compared to Windows Phone 7.5??
aydc said:
I believe people who spend their time making such lists are simply jealous of iPhone owners.
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Then there must be many people that are jealous of Android owners.
Sorry but even a latest gen dual core Android phone like SGS2 doesn't feel as fast as an old iPhone 1 did.
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LMAO that made my day
THUDUK said:
I think considering what andriod is running especially on our sgs2s, it handles and flows amazingly well, with ios it really is simply a structure of applications ready to launch, ok notifications push fairly reliably but not without problems and apps load smoothly and all run in a similar fluid guided designed way. If you load up ios with lots of jailbreak activities that try to get the phone closer to what android is doing for you, the iphone starts to run slower and laggier yet still doesn't bring you the freedom and choice that we have on our androids, the problem is most people want a simple hit the app and play type control and don't need the complete cuatomised world of android, for instance my wife loves her ipad and it suits her perfectly in its nice guided way, I wouldn't say ics brings anything more than gb did to android, yet perhaps it brings a little more guided ability to bridge the gap from android to ios. If all phones were the same it would be a terribly boring world, each have there strengths, if I could afford to own them all I would.
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You took the words out of my mouth
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