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After reluctantly succumbing to the temptation of the iPhone I bought one and used it for 1 week before reverting to my Diamond!
Conclusions - the iPhone is a good communications device. The Diamond is a good communication device AND a mobile Personal Computer. It is so much more versatile, flexible and you can be more productive without relying on your desktop/laptop PC.
The iPhone interface is lovely, fast, robust-feeling and crisp and clear. It has been designed to be like that. HTC have put touch functionality on top of WinMo which was not designed for it so it has a few drawbacks.
I shall no doubt upgrade to the Touch HD as I now accept the HTC failings because the platform is so much better than iPhone.
My question is...how is the HTC Touch HD going to address these?
Any thoughts, considered opinions, or leaked info welcome!!
cheers all
cojones said:
After reluctantly succumbing to the temptation of the iPhone I bought one and used it for 1 week before reverting to my Diamond!
Conclusions - the iPhone is a good communications device. The Diamond is a good communication device AND a mobile Personal Computer. It is so much more versatile, flexible and you can be more productive without relying on your desktop/laptop PC.
The iPhone interface is lovely, fast, robust-feeling and crisp and clear. It has been designed to be like that. HTC have put touch functionality on top of WinMo which was not designed for it so it has a few drawbacks.
I shall no doubt upgrade to the Touch HD as I now accept the HTC failings because the platform is so much better than iPhone.
My question is...how is the HTC Touch HD going to address these?
Any thoughts, considered opinions, or leaked info welcome!!
cheers all
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so what kind of drawbacks are you talking about?
cause basicallly, the touch hd has got the same interface and OS as the Diamond. Only the screen in bigger. So you will see more at the same time (more appointments on the home screen for example)
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so what kind of drawbacks are you talking about?
cause basicly, the touch hd has got the same interface and os as the Diamon. only the screen ins bigger so you will see more at the same time (more appointments on the home screen for example)
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I agree.. Its a Diamond with a larger screen and 5MP camera. Hopefully it doesn't inherit any of the same GPS lag problems as its kin.
Hi, yes i'm aware it is just Diamond but bigger, i'm wondering if HTC has updated the usability aspects of the hardware, like the screen and the interfaces like the keyboard?
A constant problem for me with the Diamond is the hit-and-miss accuracy of the direction pad. Sometimes pressing right gets actioned as backspace and closes things down. It is also fiddly to position to cursor exactly between required letters in text boxes.
I'm wondering, especially as there is no directional pad on the HD, what measures HTC has implemented to enable this precise kind of interaction.
Just install something like Winterface and the interface will be so much like an iPhone it won't be funny.
The biggest difference that you will find after coming from using an iPhone is the screen. The reason the iPhone screen is so good to use is it is a capacitive screen which means it does not require any pressure to select icons etc. It senses changes in electrical properties brought on by touching it with bare skin. The screen in Windows Mobile devices is resistive which requires pressure by touch or a stylus for accuracy.
Having said that the sensitivity of the screens can be changed and from what I have seen from various hands on videos of the Touch HD the screen looks very sensitive to touch so I am hoping this will very usable.
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The biggest difference that you will find after coming from using an iPhone is the screen.
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Thanks. I am a WinMo person through and through, for about 5 years now, I only had an iPhone for 1 week! I understand the differences with screen technology, do you think HTC will have improved the sensitivity by default?
One of the best features in HD is the new screen.It doesnt use the same technology as Iphone but is very similar in sensitivity,although Iphone screen is still the best in touch screens(flash memory and touch screen are the only things better then latest WM devices...in my opinion of course).
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This is just a general comment stemmed from yours, not directed at you:
iphone is fast because it doesn't multitask, other than the core apps that came with iphone. apps are "paused" and states are saved when you go into a different application, nothing can run in the background.
microsoft needs to fire their entire marketing team for not attacking this weakness of the iphone and trumpet this as a pro for Windows Mobile. Actually come to think about it, their marketing team should be fired for unable to come up with advertisements that stick in viewers minds (comparing to apple's ads)
the gps is onchip on the qualcomm so apart from antenna
and software they would all performe pretty much the same
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This is just a general comment stemmed from yours, not directed at you:
iphone is fast because it doesn't multitask, other than the core apps that came with iphone. apps are "paused" and states are saved when you go into a different application, nothing can run in the background.
microsoft needs to fire their entire marketing team for not attacking this weakness of the iphone and trumpet this as a pro for Windows Mobile. Actually come to think about it, their marketing team should be fired for unable to come up with advertisements that stick in viewers minds (comparing to apple's ads)
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Totally agree!
Yes, that was a frustrating thing with the iPhone for the little time i used it, when tracking my cycle rides it needed to be on (screen off) with the app in the foreground. No chance of continuing to track when a phone call comes in or you need to check something else, e.g google maps, internet, etc.
Other iPhone frustrations, no copy & paste, no windows explorer type app, no document editors, no turn by turn gps (yet).
Hoping i can get rid of the iPhone sharpish to help me banish the horrible memories ;-)
I am an iPhone 3G user now, before that I have always used Windows Mobile, the iPhone makes everything that it can do easy to do. Problem is what it can do compared to Windows Mobile is limited. I miss so many things that I used to have, tethering, copy paste to name just two but most importantly the iPhone is becoming too mainstream for me, I like to be different, I like to have a phone that others don't have and show them things they can't do, I guess that is just the geek in me. For that reason I am buying a Touch HD as soon as it comes out, with a little work I can get it to perform just how I want it too.
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the gps is onchip on the qualcomm so apart from antenna
and software they would all performe pretty much the same
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With Quallcom there is generally one problem...
Their speed is to low... And then people blame in on Win Mobile
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with a little work I can get it to perform just how I want it too.
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Exactly! You've hit the nail on the head, that is the huge advantage WinMo has over iPhone, you can make it just what you want it. iPhone - you get it...and that's it (except for the wallpaper on the unlock screen ;-)
The only issue with WinMo is it's stone age interface designed for stylus. All shells like Manila and SPB are nice but after a couple of taps you reach the good old WinMo GUI and you have to pull the stylus and bring the magnifying glass.
I want a 6.1 device where WinMo is just a platform, and the GUI is entirely replaced with a touch friendly shell.
But the Touch HD will not do that. It will have the same Frankenstein GUI as all recent WinMo devices, so I will keep my Kaiser until WM7 comes along. (or until android supports desktop sync and turn-by-turn)
Same goes here
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I am an iPhone 3G user now, before that I have always used Windows Mobile, the iPhone makes everything that it can do easy to do. Problem is what it can do compared to Windows Mobile is limited. I miss so many things that I used to have, tethering, copy paste to name just two but most importantly the iPhone is becoming too mainstream for me, I like to be different, I like to have a phone that others don't have and show them things they can't do, I guess that is just the geek in me. For that reason I am buying a Touch HD as soon as it comes out, with a little work I can get it to perform just how I want it too.
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I was a previous Window mobile user too, but switch to iPhone, but for only less than two weeks or so I sold my iphone, iPhone are luck of so many things compare to Window Mobile features. The iPhone is not so bad. but I rather stick with WMobile, which is easy and simple to use..
(or until android supports desktop sync and turn-by-turn)
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Don't think that'll be very long to wait at all, given the open-source nature of the software
I've used iPhone but have settled for the HD. I like the screen of the iPhone although I prefer the screen on the HD.
HTC Touch HD gives me the real feel of pressing a button where in the iPhone you just touch it and you get instant reaction which sometimes isn't what you want.
When I type, I like to keep my fingers on the screen while thinking of the next line (what ever) and when I am ready I can continue to press as normal to type which is superb!
I've used iPhone but have settled for the HD. I like the screen of the iPhone although I prefer the screen on the HD.
HTC Touch HD gives me the real feel of pressing a button where in the iPhone you just touch it and you get instant reaction which sometimes isn't what you want.
When I type, I like to keep my fingers on the screen while thinking of the next line (what ever) and when I am ready I can continue to press as normal to type which is superb!
Holy double posting thread necromancing batman!
You do realize that no one posted in this thread for... 3 months?
hi everyone,
I'm a Die Hard fan of Blackstone/Touch HD , and im waiting for it for a long time !
but after reading about it, watching movies, following discussions, I feel its nothing but a HUGE and tempting display .
we're all WM users and we didnt experienced any large-display phones with such size, and thats why we're trying to believe this is BEST !
since theres no TV-OUT capability , hard one handed usage , no D-PAD ( C'mon , its not iphone that fingers could do anything with any pressure ) and weird camera lens box!
is it really we wanted or its just another "I WANT TO BELIEVE?"
I do see where you're coming from... To me, I'll be honest, it's the Diamond in a REALLY nice case. One that's familiar to a long-term Elf user. The touchy-feely case, no desire to use the D-Pad... But when all's said and done: It's a huge display and has a 5MP camera. It's the best ever HTC, but it will be easy to top...
Now I feel bad... Thanks...
Hi,
Interesting point of view. ... and I agree most of it.
To be honest, the only thing I am interested in Touch HD is the huge 3.8" screen.
I like browsing the internet using Opera Mini (and Opera 9 of course) and I have no problem with my current HTC Kaiser.
However, I always envy with phone that has big screen, 3.5" like my friend's iPhone.
So, thats my sole reason to think about buying Touch HD.
However, I am holding back because there are couple of things that I need to convince myself:
1. TouchFlo 3D cannot show multiple appointments/tasks in its today screen.
This is rubish, I cannot understand why HTC does not implement this like the old HTC Home. And I have not found better solution for this.
Of course I can turn off TF3D (can I?) and use HTC Home or SpB Mobile Shell.
But ................ why???
2. No DPAD, can I live with it? Probably ...
But I have a dream to have a GAME DEVICE and PDA all in one.
I cannot do that with HTC Kaiser because of the graphics driver and bad performance. Really, I hate it.
3.8" is very nice for a game device. However, without DPAD, the game will be limited.
If I look the current Touch HD design, a DPAD is still possible in the center of those 4 buttons!
I know, I can buy Nintendo DS or PSP, but hey! I dont like carrying a lot of devices
5 MP camera is nothing ... the quality is still doubtful.
No TV-OUT like Raphael? Grrr!!!
Well, this is my personal opinion.
I dont know, probably I will buy it anyway ... or wait until I can hold and see it in real live ... and judge if the 3.8" screen is enough to convince myself to buy.
upcomming phones have almost same display size ( like ASUS Galaxy 7 ) and solved problems ...
but i want it from HTC .
I think it's yet another half-a***d swipe at the iPhone, without any real thought put into it. WM fans want to believe this is "the one" that's going to give them everything they (perhaps secretly) really like about the iPhone, while still wearing the Windows Mobile badge. In reality, it's just another WM phone with a bigger screen, and actually a few disadvantages over some other models (like that lack of a D-pad). In spite of the screen I really doubt the multimedia will be as slick as the iPhone, and for gaming it's a dead duck - unlike the iPhone where the appstore is brimming full of immersive games built around the iPhone's acceleromotor and multi-touch screen, the Touch HD only has the WM back catalogue to choose from, 99% of which will be written to run on non-accelerometor equipped phones with D-pads.
Meanwhile, underneath the Touchflo you still have an interface designed for a stylus, however big the display.
gogol said:
....1. TouchFlo 3D cannot show multiple appointments/tasks in its today screen.....
This is rubish, I cannot understand why HTC does not implement this like the old HTC Home. And I have not found better solution for this.
Of course I can turn off TF3D (can I?) and use HTC Home or SpB Mobile Shell.
But ................ why???
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Get your act together HTC
I still cannot decide which model to choose - X1 or HD - and now I am thinking more and more of getting an X1. I simply understand that the only thing about HD that I am going to really love and cream-my-pants because of is the 3.8" screen.
I think that HD is a perfect device for non-WM-addicts, for people who will use just TF3D-interface and Opera at most, without installing any tweaks/programs/registry-hacks/emulators/debuggers/consoles/younameit. Cause when you want to install one of them, you're in trouble - no hardware keys, no D-pad... Achtung!
One more thing I thought about.. Every phone has a kind of a "secret combination of keys", e g "turn-on-the-phone-holding-two-buttons-pressed-and-enter-diagnostics-mode". I wonder if the sensor buttons would do that?
If I am going to express my opinion I will rather say I am going for the large screen size to be honest, Window mobile did not change since, its still WM 6.1 and not much difference on software, yes is the look of the phone that impress me and the size of the screen, because I personally enjoy watching movies on move.
How can HTC put such a cheap, crappy-looking clock onto such a "high-end" device?
The analogue clock from the TF2D (as per the Touch 3G) just looks so much better.
I also agree with the comments about the Appointments - this is a very important point for me, and if not easily resolvable will make me look eleswhere.
So do I remove the TF3D and use Spb instead? If I were to do that, would I then lose the scrollability of the unit - is the finger-scrolling part of TF3D or part of WM6.1?
From a non techie user point-of-view, the more I am finding out about this, the less excited I am about it. Having just read through the manual, I realise it doesn't do any more than any other WM 6.1 pda, except for the bigger screen. And even the quality of films on that seems to be in question!
Maybe I should stop reading sites such as this - lol.
Look we all love the design factor, large screen, hi res etc. That makes it the best win mo phone. Don't let these posts turn you off. You fell in love with the phone for a reason. As for the minor problems (2 appointments etc), well... where there's a will there's a way... xda-developers. Just give them time to work their magic.
Anyway there is always Second Today to see appointents http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O2MYv5ooIp0
Nothing...........
I just Ordered mine from pdashop.nl 1 minute ago... And i don't need any negation right now. for 629 Euro. ....It better impress
Nothing is gonna take that joy from me..
You can fall in love with a phone for the wrong reasons! I really do think expectations are too high for this device, and people are right to question and rethink this now, before they've paid their money... IMO it's a flawed design, WinMo needs some kind of d-pad, it's not finger friendly enough even on this size screen to get by without it. If losing the hardware controls is a necessity of that larger screen, then they need to replace the UI completely, and use some other OS.
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Are you guys serious?
Let's see the complaints that make this device "just another WM phone."
1. TV-OUT Capability
Why do I need this? WHEN will I need this? If I am at home, I will use my laptop to connect my HDTV via HDMI. Using a phone at home for it's TV-Out capability is well, useless. If you can afford this device, and are tech-savvy enough to know about it, then odds are you have an HDMI capable computer and TV.
The ONLY scenario where I could see this feature be useful is if I wanted to output video on a random TV, maybe at a bar:
"Hey bartender, hook up my HTC TOUCH HD to the TV please."
LOL
Come on!
2. Hard one handed usage? This coming from people who love QWERTY keyboards. I find this hilarious. What's so hard about it? Move your thumb around and you're good to go.
3. OMG! Weird camera lens box!! WTF is weird about it? Now, if you want to tell me no flash, alright I can agree with that. But to nag about the camera lens box? I think it looks good. I mean, I honestly don't care what it looks like as long as it's not pink with rainbows.
What are some other complaints?
No directional pad. Well, you have a 3.8in TOUCH screen and you want a d-pad? Is this a joke? If you want a d-pad, don't buy a TOUCH screen.
No games. Who plays games on their phone? Seriously. If you want to play games, go and buy a PSP or DS.
Home screen only shows a couple of appointments. This is a SLIGHT issue, but something tells me it will be fixed in no time by the heads roaming these forums.
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Now, let's compare these issues with the iPhone, since there were about 101 insinuations that we are desperate WM fan boys.
No TV-out:
iPhone doesn't have TV out either. OOOOOOOO.
Weird camera lens box:
iPhone has a useless 2megapixel camera without recording or focus features.
One handed usage:
Anyone notice that you have to slide SIDEWAYS just to unlock the iPhone? Explain to me how you are going to do that with ONE hand. At least HTC had the foresight to allow you to use the phone primarily with your thumb with up and down gestures.
The HTC Touch HD is NOT like any other WM phone or ANY phone for that matter. It's sensitivity is far superior, beautiful screen, FAST, and can do anything you can throw at it besides useless things such as outputting video at a bar.
Oh, and please don't get me started on the lack of iPhone features. How about the ability to CUT and PASTE? Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace? There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
Give me a break. This is a GREAT device and as far as I can tell, the only thing missing is flash.
And if you want to really be douche about it, most phones nowadays have a phone, video/music player, and a camera! So I guess we should all just get ourselves a Nokia 7610 and cluck.
So, could I use Second Today to run something like the Spb Today screen (because I am used to and love its flexible Appointments display), or am I mixing up technologies?
And just how safe /easy is it for a non-techie to install Second Today, and to change the button functions (and does this require a registry change, because now I'm starting to talk a new language?)
And, whilst I'm in a writing mood, the other issues raised were video playback quality, and suspected lag in GPS navigation.
Can anyone confirm the current situation with these. Is the playback quality acceptable without dropped frames, and has it been absolutely confirmed by a real test that there is no GPS lag?
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I think it's yet another half-a***d swipe at the iPhone, without any real thought put into it. WM fans want to believe this is "the one" that's going to give them everything they (perhaps secretly) really like about the iPhone, while still wearing the Windows Mobile badge. In reality, it's just another WM phone with a bigger screen, and actually a few disadvantages over some other models (like that lack of a D-pad). In spite of the screen I really doubt the multimedia will be as slick as the iPhone, and for gaming it's a dead duck - unlike the iPhone where the appstore is brimming full of immersive games built around the iPhone's acceleromotor and multi-touch screen, the Touch HD only has the WM back catalogue to choose from, 99% of which will be written to run on non-accelerometor equipped phones with D-pads.
Meanwhile, underneath the Touchflo you still have an interface designed for a stylus, however big the display.
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haha opinions from Apple Fan Boys dont count. All opinions on gaming (based on nothing), no dpad (which i love), Poor multimedia (not from the videos ive seen), App store stinks because hacked apps for iphone way better and FREE,
I owned an Iphone for a month and couldnt get rid of it fast enough because WM offers so much more functionality for business and "hackability"
dont get wrong ! iphone is NO WAY competitor, its just a fancy phone! not more not less !
im going to buy this beast, but i really want to know is this really a big deal ?
i dont think so !
but we all know the form factor and the screen size is undeniable ! thats why im going for HD .
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1. TV-OUT Capability
Why do I need this?
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When you are on holiday? At the hotel, in a country where you dont understand local language ... you end up with CNN
So, TV-Out is nice to have! Hook it up to the hotel TV and play movie from your PDA.
Why some users complained about this TV-Out? Because the "previous" device has that, HTC Raphael. Why dont they include it in the next iteration?
Of course, probably there are some other reasons, like PRICE etc. But I see this TV-Out as a valid point.
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2. Hard one handed usage? This coming from people who love QWERTY keyboards. I find this hilarious. What's so hard about it? Move your thumb around and you're good to go.
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Not always like that. The OS (WinMo 6.1) is not specifically designed for touch screen only.
People like me, prefer to use DPAD to move around the UI, much faster, efficient and less-thumb-hurt
You may disagree, but thats you!
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No games. Who plays games on their phone? Seriously. If you want to play games, go and buy a PSP or DS.
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Woohoo ... Gaming is also part of the mobile world.
If you dont play game in your PDA, then (again) it's your choice.
You should not dictate that, because the mobile gaming market is THERE.
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Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace? There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
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Righty ... Please dont compare iPhone apps with WinMo apps
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Give me a break. This is a GREAT device and as far as I can tell, the only thing missing is flash.
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Yes, it is a great device. But how great is this? Depends ...
manuelcalavera said:
dont get wrong ! iphone is NO WAY competitor, its just a fancy phone! not more not less !
im going to buy this beast, but i really want to know is this really a big deal ?
i dont think so !
but we all know the form factor and the screen size is undeniable ! thats why im going for HD .
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and my apologies for not answer the question lol. Is it a big deal, nah, not when you look at all the other technology worldwide as a whole. Its nice but there is really no "phone" that is a big deal in my humble opinion.
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Now, let's compare these issues with the iPhone, since there were about 101 insinuations that we are desperate WM fan boys.
No TV-out:
iPhone doesn't have TV out either. OOOOOOOO.
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Actually yes, it does. Bad start.
Weird camera lens box:
iPhone has a useless 2megapixel camera without recording or focus features.
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Absolutely. For the record, I have no idea why anyone's complaining about the "weird camera lens box" on the HD. It's just a lens.
The iPhone's camera is just a camera, and makes no pretence to be anything more - if you want a better camera, buy one (or a different phone).
One handed usage:
Anyone notice that you have to slide SIDEWAYS just to unlock the iPhone? Explain to me how you are going to do that with ONE hand.
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Easily and quickly about a million times a day. Seriously, you're just demonstrating you've never been near one, and are desperately trying to think up things which might be wrong with it, on the strength of a few screenshots you've seen. The "slide to unlock/answer" is an excellent feature that's completely natural to use one handed - it works so well that even HTC have tried to imitate it with a similar "slide to answer" feature on the, ahem, Touch HD.
At least HTC had the foresight to allow you to use the phone primarily with your thumb with up and down gestures.
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You mean TouchFlo scrolling? The first feature that HTC copied from the iPhone, last year? Ah yes, such foresight!
The HTC Touch HD is NOT like any other WM phone or ANY phone for that matter. It's sensitivity is far superior, beautiful screen, FAST, and can do anything you can throw at it besides useless things such as outputting video at a bar.
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Wake up and smell yesterday's coffee. It's like like every other WM phone, runs the same software as every other WM phone, it even has the same processor and internal spec as most other current WM phones. The screen is new, as is the inconvenient lack of d-pad - everything else is the same old same old.
Oh, and please don't get me started on the lack of iPhone features. How about the ability to CUT and PASTE?
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Oh, yeah, it doesn't do that. You knew about that? I thought it was a secret?
Want to talk to me about the iPhone marketplace?
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Not really, but I'll tell about the Appstore - bloody brilliant. Thousands of quality apps, many of them free, all the paid ones generally much, much cheaper than their WinMo equivalents, and all there to be browsed and downloaded right on the device, updates alerted and downloaded in the same way.. yep, it's a fantastic system. Is that what you wanted to know?
There are programmers all over the net with custom programs for WM that allows us to do basically ANYTHING, even emulate the iPhone.
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Now why would you want to emulate a rubbish old iPhone?
For the record, I used a Tytn II for the past year, I've never owned a Mac, and I've never been a "fanboy" of any damn thing, but if you think the iPhone's a soft target for a bit of WinMo frustration, you're mistaken.
Hello Xda
i am wondering are we can able to upgrade to windows mobile 6.5 in the future and windows mobile 7 too.
also can we will be able to use multi touch function on hd device?
Well on past models HTC have released new ROMs with newer version of WM, so you would think they would release new updated ROMs for the HD.
Unless they have another new phone on the horizon! You would think they would wanna sell 1 or 2 HD's first though before they release another 'high end' handset.
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Well on past models HTC have released new ROMs with newer version of WM, so you would think they would release new updated ROMs for the HD.
Unless they have another new phone on the horizon! You would think they would wanna sell 1 or 2 HD's first though before they release another 'high end' handset.
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You would think so wouldn't you but then there was not much time between the diamond/Pro & the HD!
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You would think so wouldn't you but then there was not much time between the diamond/Pro & the HD!
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Yer was very close, I heard mixed reviews of the Diamond/Pro so held of upgrading, then the HD popped up on the HTC website so waited for the HD instead!
winmo 7 is said to have hardware requirement of 256MB ROM for the OS. so should be fine.
WinMo 6.5 will probably be less than 256MB ROM too so all go there too.
TOUCH HD should be well future-proofed for WinMo updates (official or otherwise), and then there's the possibility of Android too......
I think and hope that they will release at least an update to winmo 6.5 But I also think you shouldn't hope for Multitouch! If i'm not totally wrong the HD use a resisitiv Touchscreen and they are all not cabable of Multitouch, doesn't matter which Firmware is running
There is supposed to be a pre-WM7 release, not sure what else is included but supposedly it will have a better version of the IE browser.
I imagine this may depends on how much WM7 will be a change and needs adjustment from HTC. Like... what will be the touch 3D layer then ?
My bet is, the more we are expecting from WM7 as a breaktthrough in the series the less me may use it on this version of the Touch HD.
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I think and hope that they will release at least an update to winmo 6.5 But I also think you shouldn't hope for Multitouch! If i'm not totally wrong the HD use a resisitiv Touchscreen and they are all not cabable of Multitouch, doesn't matter which Firmware is running
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Actually, correct me if I'm wrong here, but resistive technology is able to detect multiple touches - and even laptop trackpads can too, it's just that there's never been any software developed for it, and the operating system has just been hard coded to ignore multiple touch points and averaged them out to somewhere in the middle of where touched.It's pretty much a case of trackpad and touchscreen designers going "hmm what about if someone touches with two points at the same time? Ah well, there's no reason for doing that, let's just average it out"
Now, more realistically speaking, what exactly is the benefit of multi-touch on a mobile operating system? Pinch zooming? The zoom bar on Opera seems pretty simple and actually easier to use to me! Anything else? New Macbooks use gestures for Expose (no use for that on a mobile), two finger scrolling (about the only day-to-day useful feature, but again useless on a mobile device with finger scrolling anyway!) Two finger rotating maybe (um, accelerometer does that for you!) so anybody got any more suggestions for making this gimmick actually useable on a portable device that can't do it better already?
How can you play an instrument like a keyboard without multi touch!
While such a functionality might be an intesting one, it also seems like a step backwards in certain aspects.
Single handed operation is one of the essential aspects of mobile phones.
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Actually, correct me if I'm wrong here, but resistive technology is able to detect multiple touches
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would be fine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
multi-touch on windows mobile on HTC diamond.....just not in the way you may expect.
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Actually, correct me if I'm wrong here, but resistive technology is able to detect multiple touches - and even laptop trackpads can too, it's just that there's never been any software developed for it, and the operating system has just been hard coded to ignore multiple touch points and averaged them out to somewhere in the middle of where touched.It's pretty much a case of trackpad and touchscreen designers going "hmm what about if someone touches with two points at the same time? Ah well, there's no reason for doing that, let's just average it out"
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No correction needed, this is 100% true. Touchscreens do not register clicks, or anything similar, the screen itself is nothing but a sensor. The screen sensor layer on the HD screen registers any surface part of the screen on which the pressure exceeds a given threshold and the output is translated by a driver into anything the OS uses for manipulation. Thus, theoretically, ANY touchscreen device can be multitouch.
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Now, more realistically speaking, what exactly is the benefit of multi-touch on a mobile operating system? Pinch zooming? The zoom bar on Opera seems pretty simple and actually easier to use to me! Anything else? New Macbooks use gestures for Expose (no use for that on a mobile), two finger scrolling (about the only day-to-day useful feature, but again useless on a mobile device with finger scrolling anyway!) Two finger rotating maybe (um, accelerometer does that for you!) so anybody got any more suggestions for making this gimmick actually useable on a portable device that can't do it better already?
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Many of the more objective iPhone users have indicated that multitouch should not be overrated. It is nice for picture viewing, but in practical terms such as with a browser, it can be frustrating to see people zooming in to 100% with a swift doubletap while the iPhone users themselves are having to place two fingers on the screen, prevent accidentally using your nails, and having to squeeze/pinch until the page looks right.
BUT... I for one believe that more natural forms of input, i.e. a Keyboard, REQUIRES multitouch to function 100% intuitively. You simply do not need to release your finger from one key in order to press another, and a singletouch screen does require this. This causes lots of mistakes when typing too fast, you have to be over-articulate while typing.
Then again, I see most iPhone users typing with one thumb even when sitting down and holding the phone with both hands, because it's their first smartphone Not fair... WinMo pro's should have received this years ago
Oops I am straying from objectivity here...
Windows mobile 7 prebeta video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-i2jHEFdD4
Muhamed said:
Windows mobile 7 prebeta video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-i2jHEFdD4
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No it's not.
^ The interface looks new and cool...If its not WM 7...then what is it?
Nara-e-Mastana said:
^ The interface looks new and cool...If its not WM 7...then what is it?
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from the youtube video info:
Device: HTC Touch (elf)
Skin name: Windows Mobile 7 i3
(i3 = 3 interface)
Skin version: QVGA
was it really that hard to read? the info was RIGHT THERE.
where to find
Out of curiosity where do we find this skin? all I can find is that youtube video. At the moment I'm getting a little bored with my current ROM and right now am looking for a new replacement look on my vogue.
chaosdefinesorder said:
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong here, but resistive technology is able to detect multiple touches - and even laptop trackpads can too, it's just that there's never been any software developed for it, and the operating system has just been hard coded to ignore multiple touch points and averaged them out to somewhere in the middle of where touched.It's pretty much a case of trackpad and touchscreen designers going "hmm what about if someone touches with two points at the same time? Ah well, there's no reason for doing that, let's just average it out"
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Just another confirmation of this. Synaptics, the maker of most touchpads for laptops, released driver updates for laptops to include multi-touch pinching, gestures, zooming, and Chiral(circular) scrolling - These were for touchpads that could previous only do what WinMo does with multiple touches.
So, as everyone said, you're right. If the manufacturers wanted to, they *could* give us multi-touch, but WinMo doesn't have an implementation of that anyway so it's useless.
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/05/04/dogfood-doesn-t-always-taste-good.aspx
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so anybody got any more suggestions for making this gimmick actually useable on a portable device that can't do it better already?
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specially for hd which has almost no hardware buttons multitouch would be a nice feature videogame-wise... like shooting while running or steering while accelerating...
btw check out the blackstone rom development forum a custom rom with winmo6.5 beta has been released already. Just for testing purposes only though.
It's a SIMPLE question, do you think that the Windows 7 phones will have a halfass multitouch screen like our N1?
I have a feeling this is Windows' last chance in the cell phone market... Due to that, I'm sure they'll be pulling out all the stops. Especially with the success of Windows 7 for PC's.
Not that I'll be buying into the OS, but I wouldn't be surprised to see quite an amazing piece of technology either.
First of all.... windows 7 is an OS and N1 is a hardware... oranges and apple...
Touch screen issue is a pure hardware issue... so if HTC or someone else chooses clearpad 2000 over clearpad 3000 for screen...then yes! Win 7 (or any other OS ) will have the issue. Win Phone 7 (or android) has nothing to do with it.
EDIT: Actually... Win 7 has listed 4 point multi-touch as min specs.. so i guess..Win Phone 7 won't have this issue as clearpad 2000 doesn't fit into these specs.
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First of all.... windows 7 is an OS and N1 is a hardware... oranges and apple...
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Hence the reason I said "Windows 7 Phones"...
Thanks for making my point further though. I really think HCT AND Google dropped the ball on this one. The main I want a new phone is because I HATE typing on this fricken thing... Basically the N1 keyboard is what I was fearing the iPhone keyboard was like when I first bought my iPhone 3G... But it was quite nice.. I can drunk type on the iPhone really easy! LOL... I can't even type fast sober on the N1 without it F'ing everything up...
Swype helps a bit though.. LOL.
Did you see the new videos out on the Win7Phones today.... Hmmmm yummy silverlight.. LOL (I still like the Android openness!).
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Hence the reason I said "Windows 7 Phones"...
Thanks for making my point further though. I really think HCT AND Google dropped the ball on this one. The main I want a new phone is because I HATE typing on this fricken thing... Basically the N1 keyboard is what I was fearing the iPhone keyboard was like when I first bought my iPhone 3G... But it was quite nice.. I can drunk type on the iPhone really easy! LOL... I can't even type fast sober on the N1 without it F'ing everything up...
Swype helps a bit though.. LOL.
Did you see the new videos out on the Win7Phones today.... Hmmmm yummy silverlight.. LOL (I still like the Android openness!).
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You should try other keyboards, such as the HTC_IME, Swiftkey, or Better Keyboard (which has multi-touch depending on your definition, and a iphone skin). The HTC_IME, and Swiftkey does everything for you. It is not needed that you even type barely correctly at all, as it will correct you while even trying to learn your writing style (swiftkey). I can type as quickly as I did with my G1 in landscape mode.
Judging from your most recent comments though, it seems more so that you simply prefer Windows Seven more - or, you prefer phones that have better multi-touch screens altogether (duh lol), which isn't going to be HTC made Android phones for a while judging from recent discussion. I recommend you switch to Windows phones, for the time being. It may better suit what you are looking for at this time.
Losing one Android member won't hurt too bad.
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Hence the reason I said "Windows 7 Phones"...
Thanks for making my point further though. I really think HCT AND Google dropped the ball on this one. The main I want a new phone is because I HATE typing on this fricken thing... Basically the N1 keyboard is what I was fearing the iPhone keyboard was like when I first bought my iPhone 3G... But it was quite nice.. I can drunk type on the iPhone really easy! LOL... I can't even type fast sober on the N1 without it F'ing everything up...
Swype helps a bit though.. LOL.
Did you see the new videos out on the Win7Phones today.... Hmmmm yummy silverlight.. LOL (I still like the Android openness!).
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Two point multi-touch is all you'd need for typing... I'm sure our touchscreens are capable of the same level of accuracy, but the software isn't as developed as the iPhone's. I like that keyboard as well...
a capacitive touch screen is a capacitive touch screen... the big question is will the software to read each input be well developed?
i think that all capacitive touch screens are capable of multi touch... it is just a matter of writing the software and developing the algorithms to sort out the movement of the two various inputs and keeping them separate and unique (unlike the problem the N1 currently has)
my bigger quarrel with the phone is the calibration issues when you rotate the phone landscape and then back to portrait, the senses are all off...
I really don't wanta go to a Microsoft product even though my entire business runs on it, my company is a Microsoft partner and I hold a few Microsoft certs.. If anything I'd prob get a new iPhone later this year so I can download a bunch of the awesome apps I already purchased when I had my iPhone 3G for 2yrs... BUT I would really rather NOT. I really like the Android OS, the way it handles memory and background apps etc...
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a capacitive touch screen is a capacitive touch screen... the big question is will the software to read each input be well developed?
i think that all capacitive touch screens are capable of multi touch... it is just a matter of writing the software and developing the algorithms to sort out the movement of the two various inputs and keeping them separate and unique (unlike the problem the N1 currently has)
my bigger quarrel with the phone is the calibration issues when you rotate the phone landscape and then back to portrait, the senses are all off...
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I hate to bust your bubble, but you just need info I think. You need a look at the info provided in this link.
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/a-closer-look-at-htcs-touch-sensors/
It's ALL because of the hardware they picked = poor, poor choice... I would have gladly paid an extra $20 or Whatever (I doubt it's that much more at the time) to have TRUE multitouch.
The problem I have when typing fast ALL the time stems from this issue pointed out in this video:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/is-multitouch-broken-on-the-nexus-one/
You see how the dots are on the opposite sides where the fingers are? that's why I get F'ed up typing when typing fast... because the supposed "Multi-touch" is F'ing up, LOL.
One thing I demand out of my device is the ability to input easily. I use it for work and I get a bunch of emails every day I need to respond to when I'm on the road and with this crappy issue I loathe having to type out more than one sentence so I typically wait till I get to a computer. Hardly a "superphone" and hardly a good thing when it would be best for me to get back to my clients right away.
One big reason the iPhone was "OKAY" without a physical keyboard is because of the ease of typing on it... Every other hardware manufacturer out there needs to get their head out of their ass and realize this so that phones can get out of the single finger "poke, poke" era... Apple (as much as I hate to admit it) figured this out with their VERY FIRST device. As much as I don't like Apple for a lot of their practices I somewhat cheer them on because they are one of the ONLY USA companies to push out award winning products in a landscape dominated by Asian companies...
I'll still take my windows over OSX any day though, LOL. (in a VMware environment, LOL).
Dude... it's obvious you've written off the N1 as a failure. Frankly, you're sounding just like coolVariable (search for his posts if you don't know what I'm talking about). Yeah, it would probably have cost them $10-15 more for the Cleartouch 3000, but there's nothing that can be done about it now. If you don't like the phone, sell it. If you like it, find another keyboard that works better (there are several). Either way, there's no point saying the same thing over and over... you've used the term "halfass touchscreen" in at least one other thread today. Stop *****ing and crying about it and chill out already!
What is the point of this useless thread?
How in the hell would anyone here know what Microsoft is putting in their devices that won't be released for another 6 months?
Looking over your posts, this seems like nothing more than a nerd-rage vent post.
Can a mod please lock this useless pile of crap thread?
Ok, I will try to keep this short...I just thought this was kinda weird.....
I called to return my phone today, and when they asked if I had any other issues with it (besides the back cover not lining up with the phone) I said yes..and I described how the screen does not let you have two fingers on the same axis and gave them this example: when I was playing 'Prince of Persia' and it had the direction buttons on the lower left of the screen and across on the lower right of the screen were the other 'action buttons' and when I press both they either both do not work or only one will work. Now the rep said 'Oh, well that is because the nexus one does not have multi touch...it has pinch to zoom' ...in my mind I was like "wth?" haha, but is this just their excuse for the Synaptic touch sensor? It seems more as though they are trying to justify it instead of owning up to it...well my response was refering to the Htc incredible and the Supersonic which have new touch sensors that work better and I said I had wished the nexus one had the same...the rep said she was not aware of an update for the problem, but it is not out of the question...(I wondered if she realized I was talking about hardware not software, although hardware can be updated as well just not as easily...)...
Umm I'm not sure how much that tech actually knows, because I was playing a game on my N1....idr the name of it but it was a first-person shooter, and I was able to use the on-screen movement controls AND look around by dragging my finger across the screen at the same time.
I think that's because they are on two different horizontal axes.
N1 can detect TWO touch points at the same time, and thats according to the touch sensor manufacturer. I think the game, Prince of Persia, is not efficient enough for detecting two points at the same time. We should wait till 19th May and see what Google brings for gaming scene on android...
yeah the update is right around the corner, so i would be curious to see if it fixes that issue.
but i would not expect some customer service rep to know a damn thing about the Y-axis issue or what model the touch screen is synaptics clearpad 2000. you're giving them way too much credit. they just know it has pinch to zoom, and that's the end of it.
anyway that game should work OK using 2 touch points, but i havent tried it to know for sure. i have seen that there are other games that use 2 points and they work fine. i guess the game crosses the Y-axis is when it would not work, but i didnt know any type of those games exist yet. i admit it sucks that this limitation is present.
The error occurs if the two fingers are on the same axis ...i.e. horizontal / vertical from each other ...but if it is diagonal it should work...even slightly diagonal should work unless the two points get close to each others axis....this is not a software issue and I surely would love to see it fixed with a software update but I doubt this will be so...only time will tell.....now I would not blame it on Prince of Persia...check other games with the same control layout and see how it works...or even try something without the same layout and just use one control and touch your finger on the same axis of the control and you will see the error occur....
It sucks, a BRAND NEW 2010 phone, over $500....and yet cannot even use proper multitouch...even my old iphone 2g works better in the multitouch aspect....(sad and disappointing) ...it has all these nice specs but the multi touch aspect kills it for me...
People expecting the N1 to not have any quirks make me laugh
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People expecting the N1 to not have any quirks make me laugh
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/
If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
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Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/
If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
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I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
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I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
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well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...
disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day
just answer this...
wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?
I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
i can't think of two (one isn't really worth the think) reasons for a multi-touch sensor. pinch/zoom seems to work well for maps and pictures. not being a gamer means a good deal of drama is lost on me i suppose.
as far as the price of the n1, and being 'stuck' with the phone... that's laughable. anyone can sell their n1 TONIGHT on ebay or craigslist for 100% of what they paid for it from google, and then some in certain cases. smart phones co$t MONEY. beit an iphone, n1, n97, or whatever is going to be badass next summer. i _LIKE_ the idea of buying off contract, using a NO CONTRACT carrier, and selling/leaving when i want.
should a N1 come out for att/whoever without contract, with a sweet keyboard like the G1, i'd switch overnight. water proof ? i'm there. 12 mp camera with HD and a gig of rom space ? sweet.
this is more a rant thread than a progress in motion thread. if you feel you've been wronged or led by false advertising, sell your phone. get one that does everything you have to have. i don't recall anyone saying "holy **** it haz multi-touch i gotta haz it !!!!!" when the n1 was released.
that was much longer than i expected. shoulda just said "lol" and left it.
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
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When I said made with quality, I was saying how much quality are put into Android's games. I was referring nothing to hardware issues.
Most Android games (to me) are horrible little 2D games that get boring in a few minutes. I don't even really "want" to play them, so therefore I don't need a complicated multi touch system until 'quality' games are made. Games that are worth playing for more than a few seconds, sadly to say, iPhone type games. Google is trying, though.
The only application that "plays" the games I want to play is GameBoid, where the multi-touch works perfectly. I can hold down a directional input, along with B, or A, and reform actions that result in those two presses perfectly. Such as running.
You seem to love to whine though, you did pay a lot for this phone though, I guess I would be pissed if this really mattered to me as well. Right now I'm like "whatever, who cares". It does what I want..
I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is no
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well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...
disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day
just answer this...
wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?
I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
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I've owned so many phones in my life, and every single one of them had some type of issue, defect, missing feature, or whatever. if the only complaint about the nexus is this one minor issue, than I say its a winner.
great so the original iPhone could do it, but it couldn't do pics with a flash, or copy/paste, or mms. so what scenario is better/worse? I say the nexus is the better situation by leaps and bounds.
if this issue is important to you then you should switch phones. for me its not that important. my Nokia n97 had a faulty camera lens issue that scratched itself when opening. every phone has its quirks. if the nexus ones quirk is this Y axis issue, then I proclaim we all are winners with such a minor issue.
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and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days
or wait MMS?
hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?
even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
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and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days
or wait MMS?
hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?
even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
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lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....
haha damn, this IS becomming a 'rant' thread...sorry on my behalf for that didn't mean for it to come to that ...I am irritating myself right now with this thread... I just wanted to bring up what the rep had said it was kind of odd to hear that....but the issue she was referring to is something that bugs me..
Now in reference to the gba emulator comment, I haven't tried it but the SNES emu works fine (it has the directional pad diagonally across from the buttons, so it does not suffer from the so called 'y axis' error)
BTW I have some Nexus Cases, anyone interested ?
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
haha
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Well, go get the best you can get for your money, i guess. Some people are satisfied with their nexus ones (nexii?)
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lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....
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The iphone and the nexus are not competitors, strictly speaking. The devices are competing in different classes. If you feel that they are, you could probably do some research, which would give you a good idea of how they compare.
Less ranting please.