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The HTCANDROID project! Let's get it running!

Hey!
As i've previously mentioned here once (I think), i started a small forum where I tried to gather all the setups for running Android on various HTC models. Now that the HTC G1 (Dream) is soon released, we will will get some very interesting challenges while trying to build Android ROM's, etc..
This forum is great, but its also very big. Thought that it might be a good idea to have our android resources on a separate forum?
Anyways, thought i could register a domain and such, but for now the forum is at http://www.connect-utb.com/htcandroid
Some of you are there already! Hopefully, with the experienced user base we have here, we can get Android ROMS and whatnot for our HTC models, as the HTC Dream looks rather poor. (Although better devices will surely come in the future).

you must be joking. Android is a total OS unlike apps that we see all over which are portable among HTC devices. It takes months alone just to get Android as it is today for the kaiser. Mostly everything for WM can be ported among other devices which some exceptions to nontouch devices. It'll be a long time until you see Android ported over to more devices than now. My suggestion would be to use a device that's got android projects already in progress or at your nearest convenience to buy a device with android on it.

Think we misunderstand each other, but you dont believe that if we can extract the android ROM from the HTC Dream, and modify and install it on lets say, the Kaiser?

You can always try before saying that it isn't going to work.
I will track this post because i'm very curious by the Android OS.

I get it...and completely understand what this is about...it's HTC...which means theoretically we should be able to at least somewhat get it working...I've started a wizard thread on your new forum in hopes that any information or progress getting it ported over gets posted all in one location for easy access....kudo's for thinking ahead as I dont think android is going anywhere soon and while this forum is very useful it's mostly for winmo devices....nothing wrong with speading the wings a lil bit and branching out...
looking forward to the press conference!!

I would say we should be able to get Android to run on the OS level of our devices, but it will probably need a bit of modifying. However, since it's open source I'm hoping the modifying will be a lot easier because of this.

Hey,
I was just on HTC homepage ( htc.com ), where the G1 is shown.
They printed the specs, which are very similar to the diamond
Same chipset, same rom size, same ram size,...
SO I think, it would be ( maybe easily?) possible to port android to the diamond
greets doena

WatskeBart said:
I will track this post because i'm very curious by the Android OS.
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Same here!

If my memory does not fail, I remember that one of the first peaks at Android was being run in a Blue Angel. So, I guess there is a big chance that we might in fact be able to see Android running on more than one device (of course, you will have more or less features depending on the device's capabilities and hardware limitations, namely apps that work with an accelerometer, etc).
Maybe, the development should be worth following because as much as I don't want to believe it, my device (Blue Angel) will only trick death for so long (by death I mean not being able to move to newer versions of WM) and we will need a way to pass the time .

HTC Touch Vogue in progress of being ported
Hey don't forget about the senior member "DZO" that started ANDROID porting to HTC Vogue and it is Successful
This is his direct link to the files : http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue
And here is the link to the posting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265
I think he did a GREAT job porting Android. I am running Android 0.9 with most of the featuress except installing programs but only because he is the only one that does that. So, he needs help! I am sure... Plus, on this site people are cheeping in for HTC Diamond so he can work on that too...
Here is the link: http://www.myhtcphone.com
So, if you want something done we should start by contributing either money, or programming support! I wish I knew how to program this
ahhhh I wish I would have fully functional Android on my HTC

Thanks for the support! The forums are slightly active now!
Hopefully, we will be able to get Android running more or less flawless soon! As pointed out, its possible!

he he nice link, it seems that there are allready htc devices running with android.

just wondering, is it possible to have dual boot in one device ?

hmmm, seems to have no desktop syncing.. this may be a huge set back for anyone trying to get androig running on another HTC device.

crescentsaber said:
just wondering, is it possible to have dual boot in one device ?
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well currently (or in the case of the vogue) android is being booted via haret (a linux bootloaded) running on top of windows mobile.. so i guess its already kind of dual boot

For now, Android has to be run from within Windows Mobile, so no true dual boot yet

Already started
Hey you guys might want to check out the following links. Over at PPC Geeks they already have a thread going:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=23244
Also if you want to download the current Android cab for HTC go to:
http://www.myhtcphone.com/

doena said:
Hey,
I was just on HTC homepage ( htc.com ), where the G1 is shown.
They printed the specs, which are very similar to the diamond
Same chipset, same rom size, same ram size,...
SO I think, it would be ( maybe easily?) possible to port android to the diamond
greets doena
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Diamond doesnt have QWERTY keyboard, so i think it could be on Touch Pro instead

Someone ported Android for BlueAngel?
Please can someone tell me if Android is already running in BlueAngel? If there is a way show me how. Thanks Man!!!

Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't Android made so that it can run on a wide range of devices. I, for one, can't wait till its ported to samsung omnia. Damn, that would be good!
@Coldheat,
What does the cab file do? Its an OS, so cab file??

iPhone firmware on g1? (long shot i know...)

Has anyone even made an attempt to put the iphone firmware on a g1 or adp1? I know the chances of it even flashing are slim to none,but has anyone made an attempt? And yes I know it might take a diffrent bootloader,and maybe spl
edit: if i inspired anyone to go and try to find a way,get hardSPL and go for it

Seriously? Buy an iPhone if you want it. Buy a PPC if you want WM. Buy a G1 if you want ANDROID!

i did buy a g1 for android,but i always wondered how it compares to iphone,and i dont have the $999.99(cheapest unlocked price found on shopsavvy) for an unlocked iphone

otto888 said:
i did buy a g1 for android,but i always wondered how it compares to iphone,and i dont have the $999.99(cheapest unlocked price found on shopsavvy) for an unlocked iphone
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I don't think you'll ever see iPhone OS or WM ported to G1. Might have to go play with an iPhone at the store.

There are no apple stores arround me,and there are some demo iphones inside my local walmart but the employes always say "you can't use that" and then push me away from It. :\
wtf.

otto888 said:
Has anyone even made an attempt to put the iphone firmware on a g1 or adp1? I know the chances of it even flashing are slim to none,but has anyone made an attempt? And yes I know it might take a diffrent bootloader,and maybe spl
edit: if i inspired anyone to go and try to find a way,get hardSPL and go for it
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Not going to happen. Move on.

firmware is soo customized embedded software for a device
so if one managed to flash it to another device whichs did not have
100% all the same hardware down to the model of the diff component
it would brick the device
but luckey for people who would try something like that
most rom flash tools would never alow one to flash a non valid firmware on to it
unlike back in the day where i managed to flash the bios on my motherboard with a
game for my hp48 calc
works about as well as if you flashed a iphone rom on a htc dream device

LOL Not to mention have you ever tried just loading Mac on a x86 PC? LOL the headaches for that are huge, wouldn't even want to try on a mobile platform.

neoobs said:
LOL Not to mention have you ever tried just loading Mac on a x86 PC? LOL the headaches for that are huge, wouldn't even want to try on a mobile platform.
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Actually, I'm running Leopard on my x86 laptop and the experience is excellent! Of course, that's because much of my laptop's hardware is already similar to those in Macbooks.
I'm fairly sure that the same cannot be said with the G1 and the iPhone, however.

amgupt01 said:
Actually, I'm running Leopard on my x86 laptop and the experience is excellent! Of course, that's because much of my laptop's hardware is already similar to those in Macbooks.
I'm fairly sure that the same cannot be said with the G1 and the iPhone, however.
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I have installed Leopard on 3 computers, 1 was excellent and didn't even need any drivers, the other two needed a full list of things installed including editing in the command line.

neoobs said:
I have installed Leopard on 3 computers, 1 was excellent and didn't even need any drivers, the other two needed a full list of things installed including editing in the command line.
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Yeah, I've ended up having 3 different laptops over the course of a year (I had battery problems on one and the RAM blew out on another) but my current Acer laptop works almost perfectly with OS X. The only things that aren't currently working are my S-Video port and my Audio In/Out system (speakers work fine with the AzaliaAudio kext).
But back to topic: I don't think that anybody's going to bother with the iPhone version of OS X on the Dream. In theory, you could run VMware Workstation on a Debian install and then emulate OS X and then install Xcode and develop your own apps and run them, but I'm assuming that the G1 does not have the capability to be able to run 4 Operating Systems (Android, Debian, OS X, and iPhoneOS) at the same time...

otto888 said:
i did buy a g1 for android,but i always wondered how it compares to iphone,and i dont have the $999.99(cheapest unlocked price found on shopsavvy) for an unlocked iphone
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..buy a standard iphone, like the original, roughly 200 bucks on ebay for an ok condition. Unlock it yourself its super easy (pineapple your phone ^^)

I'm going to port my Wii to my gphone. Just imagine, as soon as I can get an accelerometer installed in the g1 I should be good to go
</sarcasm>

...not sure if the accelerometer comment was a joke or not, seeing as how the phone already has one..?
^-^'
I'm just trying to get a genesis emulator working...I have some progress I think..but soon! I hope..

i dont think it would work..the G1 has these thing that we call "buttons" that the iphone simply does not have...wouldnt work i say!

This will never come to be so I am locking it. Not only is the iPhone software closed-source it is illegal to flash another device with it.

Can you flash these with a WM6.5 Rom?

Just asking if anyone has attempted to flash the "Google" phones with a Windows mobile rom yet? Is it possible. Is anyone looking into it?

No its not possible, and GOD NO! Why the hell would you want to DESTROY a perfectly good phone with that CRAP?

I 100% agree with lbcoder,
why oh why would you want to flash it with a Windows Mobile OS ...

Oh FFS!!! WM on a sapphire....Android on a TD....WTF is wrong with you people??
You want one, buy it. you want the other, buy that. personally, after many years of WM, having been using android pretty much exclusively since i recieved a proto magic in early feb, i have no intention of going back!!
By the way....Nice to see you finally stopped trolling and started posting Jedi!

my god
The Numnuts

Chuckle chuckle

missing the point
you guys are a little hard on the OP, a site like xda is all about getting android to run on winmo device and vice versa!

Hi,
I think that it could be very hard to use winmo in an android device. Android requires some specific hardware and I'm pretty sure, trying this, could be the better way to brick the phone :/
The bootloader isn't made for this... But maybe, it's possible anyway. Like the exploit to run debian over android (without changing anything). The limits of this system will surely be that android doesn't use a real X server (If I've well understand it uses some kind of framebuffer light X).
And to rejoin other voices... WHY, GOD WHY?!?

..agree with everyone's sentiment. Also, I don't think WM supports capacitive touchscreen displays.

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..agree with everyone's sentiment. Also, I don't think WM supports capacitive touchscreen displays.
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This is true, besides a heap of drivers would need to be coded aswell.
If you want a Windows Mobile phone we can trade, you have my HTC Diamond with WinMo 6.5 and I'll have your HTC Magic

lbcoder said:
No its not possible, and GOD NO! Why the hell would you want to DESTROY a perfectly good phone with that CRAP?
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totally agree!

I'm pretty sure it's possible... Nothing is impossible. After all it is a "normal" phone with a Qualcomm chipset (The same as in several HTC phones + Xperia X1). Isn't Windows Phone (?) 7 supposed to support capacitive screens?

WM has more applications, thats one big reason. Its like comparing Windows with OS X, just because you got a Mac doesnt meen you want OS X. People buy stuff because they look good and at first dont think about what software they are going to use.
You cant run Age Of Empire or Duke Nukem on Android, etc.

If all you want is CRAP, but if you want crap, you should buy crap. There is no reason to buy this device when you want something different.
And no, it is not possible because of a lack of compatible drivers, and just because there are a few similar features doesn't mean that everything lines up. Fact is that it would be a *major* undertaking to run crap on these phones. To start with, you would have to write a new bootloader, and I doubt that that is going to happen since most real developers are more interested in converting wm phones to run android than the other way around.
And fyi: these devices dont have the right set of physical buttons to run wmcrap.

While I agree it would be neat to dual boot WinMo and Android on any hardware you wanted, I think it's pretty unlikely that anyone is going to bother going to all that effort since there are already hundreds of WinMo phones out there.

Leo or Nokia N900

I'm anxious to know what you all think about the HTC Leo and the Nokia N900. Which of these two devices is a suitable repacement for our beloved Touch HD??
regards, Kuzibri

Leo........

ArtieQ said:
Leo........
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could you explain why?

kuzibri said:
could you explain why?
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I hate Nokia and love HTC?

ArtieQ said:
I hate Nokia and love HTC?
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not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?

kuzibri said:
not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?
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I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.

ArtieQ said:
I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.
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N900 is not Symbian but Maemo (Linux)

i am actualy considering the N900 , i love HTC as a company ,
but i am very dissapointed from the HTC speed .
and because of that , the Leo is a device with strong processor , and a very bad OS.
if he had the N900 OS , or android , that was nice .
anyway , N900 for me !
and someone should tell HTC to stop sell a good device with bad OS !

Leo looks as though it could be a great device, but Windows Mobile 6.5 is just really starting to show its age and bulkiness(slow even on a Snapdragon). HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
I love my Touch HD, but compared to my friend's 3GS it doesn't have many strong points(and compared to the n900 it loses on all accounts). I'd still wait for more announcement concerning the Xperia X3 before making my final choice.

N900 is interesting but the "Landscape Only" is ugly... Linux OS makes it like PC and this is good but CPU/RAM/Battery moving it?
I have Touch HD and I don't think to buy Leo because no real improvements but not N900 too
I'm waiting for something in future
D'rath

I'm with you D'rath on this one as Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android. February 2010 is going to be an interesting month for sure!

I'l be waiting for Tegra/WinMo 7 before i change my HD

when i saw the leo video review i decided to keep my hd leo camera still sucks only improvement is the processor but in the review it is not also so fast don't differ allot the only issue with hd is that it will not get wm6.5 officially when talking about memo5 in nokia n900 it has not allot of applications and not good support for games and applications

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...Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android.
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Has it actually been announced or is it just more rumours?
If it's the former, do you have a link?

Toss3 said:
HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
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It was probably gimped because WM 6.5 only supports 65k colors... still.
The appeal of getting a enormous screen and a much faster processor in Leo is tempting. N900 is interesting, but being a completely new OS think it's best to wait and see. The X3 / SE Rachel also looks tasty, but again too few details to make it a sure-buy.
If nuerom can get overclocking working stablely on the MSM 720x devices I think I'll stay on HD for until end of next year at least

I got for the Leo, I will buy it when it hit the streets.
N900 is bulky compared to leo (because the hardward qwerty keyboard), Leo seems to be faster and more polished in the picture viewer and video playback. Not to mention the multitouch of Leo, wich can become a standard for WM7 and future high end devices.
So for leo:
+Multitouch
+4.3" screen
+I like touchflo
+I love TouchFlo3d
-Dont like WM 6.5 (perhaps with some tweking start menu can be set to work like 6.1,need to read further about this)
...and for Nokia:
+hardware qwerty
-Not symbian (how many aplicacions exist for that varely unused "new" os?)
-Not like the interface

I don't think I would spend that much money on a Htc Leo, and only get a litle faster, a bigger screen and multi touch. I would rather keep my HD, which can do almost anything that Leo can.
If i buy a new phone it has to be much better than the HD, the HD can do almost anything (with a leo rom, its even much better)
The N900 looks like a nice phone. A qwerty keyboard is nice, and I like on the first sight the new Linux os. But I will wait for a while till I get a new device.

n900 for me - I've had guts-full of winmo, and android just doesnt do it for me (dont really like the interface or the architecture tbh).
And btw to the people who say they 'love' these companies because of x, y or z - get real lol. the only time I can imagine someone loving a company is if they either work for that company and they are being paid to say it or they have developed some twisted form of Stockholm syndrome around their employer... if you don't fit into either of these categories, you are a fanboi idiot both are capitalist scumbag companies nearly as bad as apple they cant help it, its just how the world works.
as for the actual devices the n900 interests me greatly, being the smallest posix compliant device ever (afaik?). to 'tarded joe public that probably doesnt mean anything, but to a coder/geek its fantastic!
andriod imo is hacky and not very mmmm.. viable(?) for a range of application areas (e.g. video players?) - is it true that all the apps for android have to be written in java? for real? why?
to me, the n900 looks to be suffering from early run hw problems - these im told should be fixed in the 2nd and 3rd runs. as for the software, anything that is currently not working im very sure will be working very soon - simply due to the community around the device and the openness of the platform - this alone sets the n900 apart from everything else - including android (which although linux based, is very different) - a great example of this fact is the fmradio app (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fmradio/).
if i've offended you with my opinion in this post, you may consider yourself offended - i don't care!
so, come January, ill be picking up an n900 its the only path of progression for me. btw, if im wrong on anything here please correct me.
my 2p (;
fusi

I know people complain about HTC all the time (myself included) but they do produce nice phones. My main concern is that they create new phones all the time with no real improvement between them. I think you'll find the next release (or 2-3 after) will be the device worth moving to from the HD.
Also, I'm addicted like many other to flashing (phones ), customizing and tweaking my HD as well as finding new fixes, helping others and constantly being online at XDA. If I was to get the N900 I would lose all this.....................

i'm moving at the moment from the touch pro 2 to n900. why? because as someone posted above im sick of sloweliness of my device (altough latest AthineOS was excellent )
im also a flashing n customizing addict, and on every single device from htc ive had, after installing mod's the OS was simply slowing down.. even changing the wallpaper was a pain in the a**(especially in Manila- u know what i mean ).
im not saying that htc is crap or something, but n900 seems to better fit my needs now.
Getting it in couple days n we'll se was it worth going back to nokia ( god save me from that filthy n sh*tty Symbian) or not.
Surely i'll be missing htc in some way

[Q] Firefox OS on Omnia II (i8000)

Are there any efforts for porting the new "Firefox OS" to Omnia II ? or will it be something that we can install on top of windows 6.5 ?

good reguest but this fone its too old
my befor fone is omnia II:angel:

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ahmadblu said:
good reguest but this fone its too old
my befor fone is omnia II:angel:
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yes, but many people said the same about android on i8000 and see, it is running very smoothly !!!!

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yes, but many people said the same about android on i8000 and see, it is running very smoothly !!!!
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which version of android is smoother than other?
i see new release MinLroid . but i dont now how to use it

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yes, but many people said the same about android on i8000 and see, it is running very smoothly !!!!
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Which version? I've got quite different experience in that matter. Omnia II i8000 has too slow processor (old ARM11 unit), slow GPU and tiny amount of RAM (256MB)

I8000 really interesting
najoshi said:
Are there any efforts for porting the new "Firefox OS" to Omnia II ? or will it be something that we can install on top of windows 6.5 ?
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I have AN I8000 phone,It's really interesting!

Firefox OS possible
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Which version? I've got quite different experience in that matter. Omnia II i8000 has too slow processor (old ARM11 unit), slow GPU and tiny amount of RAM (256MB)
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I do not understand why people intend to compare a phone produced in 2009 with Samsung Galaxy S4 or iphone5 hardware ?
When it was produced it was one of the best. Even today for someone that loves his phone, or simply doesn't wan't/ doesn't have to spend too much money for a better phone i8000 is very good and if you port android on it, with the combination of the two OS can do many many jobs
Now about Firefox OS according to this
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/Introduction
YES, firefox os is possible theoretically to run on our phone.
The problem is drivers, drivers, drivers.
If any one of these phones will ever run ported Firefox OS, we may have chances to see it on our phone. If not i think none will write drivers from zero point.