Database Users

X1 WM6.5 / 7 Update

Hi Guys
New to this and have to say what a forum but can anyone answer this little pain in the **** Q. Will we be able to update to wm6.5 or 7 as its making me think twice about getting my X1 when O2 finaly re stock. The last thing I need i a 18mth contract on a out of date phone........
R
Stu

6.5 might but SE is known for not releasing updated OS's for their phones. You can probably get it with a cooked ROM. 7 will be a no-no, as it will mostly require an accelerometer in the phone.

I doubt you'll be able to upgrade to 7 if it needs multitouch screen, but can't see why 6.5 would be a problem unless that also needs it..
18months, wm7 might be released by then, but is it really likely?

looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?

sonystu said:
looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why is it?
theres an early build of IE6 out there, it needs to be cooked into a rom.
A couple of other older devices already have roms released with IE6 in them, the HD and the xperia have pretty much the same internals.

Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........

sonystu said:
Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
nothing new there, doesn't mean you need a new phone, just the usual MS drivel...
Michyprima has it working on the Athena, which is nearly 2 years old, so I can't see it being a problem on the X1 which is a lot more powerful.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411371
here's the discussion thread, there's some cabs linked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444882
Of course fennec will be out in (beta at least) soon, and if it works as well as it's fullblown sibling IE6 will become increasingly irrelevant.

Can some one help me out with understanding windows 7 mobile please?
how can it be multitouch?
i thought that apple had a patent that said they have the rights to a multi touch devices?
or is that just for a limited ammount of time?
why shouldnt the x1 be capable of multitouch too?

I think the real one to worry about is 6.5 as 7 looks like 2010 from what i can make out 7 needs a G sensor and the x1 has not got one.... I am starting to think this phone is out dated as it should have come out in feb...... As for the iphone well i dont think they have any rights to a screen.

An HP tablet with multi-touch was announced the other day so I don't think Apple have exclusive rights to it...

wm7 will come in many diffrent versions.
Ppl are claiming stuff in this thread that has no root in reality.
Here is a nice rule for daily use:
"Stop commenting about what you dont know"
cheers

I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......

sonystu said:
I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what sony do or dont, or htc for all that matters..dont really bother me.
But wm6.5 and 7 will come for different devices with different specs. And when it comes to porting over...duh...Its always said that it cant be done...
cheers

as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones

Rudegar said:
as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol, thats true. Thats how it always will be

Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.

ok i think we all have some good points and yep lets face it you have got to jump in some time. Really i think the guys are going to stick with this and when need will get a wm6.5 rom up and running. So on that note its back to the O2 web site hitting refresh all day every day until its back in stock!! Anything has got to be better than my old N95 as i have had it from day 1...........

Alex Atkin UK said:
Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.

mlinz said:
Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Source? or speculation

Now that 6.5 is out of beta and officially released, i wonder how long it takes before a non beta cooked 6.5 version comes out.... really hoping for that one hehe

HD2 will NOT get an update to WP7 - confirmed at MIX10!

UPDATE!! Looks like this was not true and there will be no WP7 for HD2 at all.
There is still hope, you can help deciphering & hacking WP7 image:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=647138
(if you really want WP7S on your beloved HD2, for me this whole new OS looks more like EPIC FAIL)
Hi,
I have just got an 'inside' information from a person close to MIX10 and I think it is pretty legitimate.
HD2 is going to get WP7 update, but in a bit different way that you may think. Soon after the conference MS will distribute unfinished, pre-release WP7 image that will be intended for devlopers, so they can test their apps on real hardware before proper devices are available (in the end of the year). Obviously because HD2 is the only device at the moment - and will be for a long time - that meets hardware requirements of WP7, this image will be intended for it.
It is still unclear if final, 'production' WP7 version will be released for HD2 when new OS is launched, but even if that is not the case, I am sure that chiefs will be able to somehow mix both versions together
According to my source this will be announced very, very soon at MIX10!

We can only hope i suppose =/

aszu said:
Hi,
I have just got an 'inside' information from a person close to MIX10 and I think it is pretty legitimate.
HD2 is going to get WP7 update, but in a bit different way that you may think. Soon after the conference MS will distribute unfinished, pre-release WP7 image that will be intended for devlopers, so they can test their apps on real hardware before proper devices are available (in the end of the year). Obviously because HD2 is the only device at the moment - and will be for a long time - that meets hardware requirements of WP7, this image will be intended for it.
It is still unclear if final, 'production' WP7 version will be released for HD2 when new OS is launched, but even if that is not the case, I am sure that chiefs will be able to somehow mix both versions together
According to my source this will be announced very, very soon at MIX10!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
this is no thing , i cannot see any confirmation here please change your thread title

hoss_n2 said:
this is no thing , i cannot see any confirmation here please change your thread title
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, as I said, my 'source' seems to be pretty legitimate, but I agree. Title changed.

Makes pretty good sense, actually. It fits with all the 'wait for MIX10' answers to questions about the HD2 right after the WP7 announcement in Barcelona.

aszu said:
Well, as I said, my 'source' seems to be pretty legitimate, but I agree. Title changed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
now it is better

lol WP7S SUX BIG TIME...
no multitask.. what a joke microsoft

May just be me but the WP7 posts are getting a little bit boring and shouldn't they be in there Windows Phone 7 Series forum? Rather than having multi threads on essentially the same things.

Plus we get to buy all our apps . . . again.

Let's hope for a port anyway, whether official or not...

I'd like to believe you, but the MS devs were raving about the emulator that comes with the Phone developer tools... I dunno. Seems iffy but the existence of an emulator does not preclude the HD2 from getting a 'MIX' build - after all, you need to have the emulator around for a variety of reasons, namely the HD2 won't be available forever

im also watching mix10 and as far as i remember i heared somthing like "all of you who will have an wp7s device at the end of the conference".
could be the special dev-phone, as some folks guess, but i think an hd2 rom is the easiest and the most logical solution.
So i "guess" its possible. and by the way, i excpected silverlight for mobile for months and now its there and i like it.

Well these are the hardware specs, we don't meet the 'flash' space unless it counts SD.
I can't find any info on the Snapdragon GPU specs to see whether its DX9 or not!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=294244&d=1268681600

lol WP7S SUX BIG TIME...
no multitask.. what a joke microsoft

Frostlance said:
lol WP7S SUX BIG TIME...
no multitask.. what a joke microsoft
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So you already said on the 1st page...

Multitasking from the emulator itself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5889815

mazzarin said:
Well these are the hardware specs, we don't meet the 'flash' space unless it counts SD.
I can't find any info on the Snapdragon GPU specs to see whether its DX9 or not!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=294244&d=1268681600
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Those hardware specs are basically the snapdragon specs with some ancillary stuff. Snapdragon includes the AMD z430, based on the 360s XENOS. Most confirmed WP7 devices are using snapdragon thus I expect the z430 will not be left out as far as directx9 support goes. It supports openGL es 2.0 so it has a unified pixel and vertex arch. I really don't think we are going to get an official port. But based on those specs, a hacked port doesn't seem unlikely at all.
PS does anyone know the hardware touch point limit on the HD2s digitizer?

VisualD said:
Those hardware specs are basically the snapdragon specs with some ancillary stuff. Snapdragon includes the AMD z430, based on the 360s XENOS. Most confirmed WP7 devices are using snapdragon thus I expect the z430 will not be left out as far as directx9 support goes. It supports openGL es 2.0 so it has a unified pixel and vertex arch. I really don't think we are going to get an official port. But based on those specs, a hacked port doesn't seem unlikely at all.
PS does anyone know the hardware touch point limit on the HD2s digitizer?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
these specifications are higher than hd2 specifications (impossible port)

Hmm, so these are the official specs?
From what I have understood while searching info about the Nexus One touchscreen issue, HTC has used the ClearPad 2000 touchscreens in their devices till now, which have only 2 finger limit. The ClearPad 3000 has a 10 fingers limit.
I don't know if the HD2 has the same ClearPad 2000 or not, but if it does not, that is one thing missing right? (correct me please if I am not right, but I think it says 4 finger is the minimum requirement)
Second, it says 'camera button required' from what I think to have seen. We do not have that.
Third, 8 GB flash... again, don't know about that.
Anyway, looks like it's MIX10 and we still do not have an official answer on if the HD2 will get 7 Series OS or not. I'm fine with it... and I think my future Desire is smiling as well
Anyway, 7 Series looks good. They did give us some nice new info about the OS.

XDA mark said:
Hmm, so these are the official specs?
From what I have understood while searching info about the Nexus One touchscreen issue, HTC has used the ClearPad 2000 touchscreens in their devices till now, which have only 2 finger limit. The ClearPad 3000 has a 10 fingers limit.
I don't know if the HD2 has the same ClearPad 2000 or not, but if it does not, that is one thing missing right? (correct me please if I am not right, but I think it says 4 finger is the minimum requirement)
Second, it says 'camera button required' from what I think to have seen. We do not have that.
Third, 8 GB flash... again, don't know about that.
Anyway, looks like it's MIX10 and we still do not have an official answer on if the HD2 will get 7 Series OS or not. I'm fine with it... and I think my future Desire is smiling as well
Anyway, 7 Series looks good. They did give us some nice new info about the OS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
we are fu**ed (hd2 owners ) with these specifications ,no way we could get it nither officia nor leaked , most of the specifications are not included in hd2 ( camera button , direct x9 , 4 point multitouch ,etc )iam so sad and disapointed my new toy is fuc**n old now wtf. what a short aged device ,i will go for desire tomorrow inspite of the big loss in money

Microsoft won't abandon Windows Mobile 6.5!

I'm not sure this is the correct place for this, but it seems the most logical to me.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49052-microsoft-says-it-wont-abandon-windows-mobile-65
Microsoft recently announced that it won't stop or abandon WM6.5 because of the release of Windows Phone 7 Series.
Microsoft has reiterated that it will continue to support, ship and sell Mobile 6.5 alongside Windows Phone 7.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

this is just nonsense.
In another word, M$ won't stop you from buying wm6 if you want.
Max_Terrible said:
I'm not sure this is the correct place for this, but it seems the most logical to me.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49052-microsoft-says-it-wont-abandon-windows-mobile-65
Microsoft recently announced that it won't stop or abandon WM6.5 because of the release of Windows Phone 7 Series.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Wondering how MS not abandoning WinMo 6.5. What else are they ganna do about 6.5 They abandoning 6.5 long time ago.......WP7 is just another iphone wanna be. Apple doing pretty good on that, we dont need MS for another iphone.

dicast said:
Wondering how MS not abandoning WinMo 6.5. What else are they ganna do about 6.5 They abandoning 6.5 long time ago.......WP7 is just another iphone wanna be. Apple doing pretty good on that, we dont need MS for another iphone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
wp7 doesn't have a filemanager, not really multitasking or like such things.. So tweakers wouldn't like wp7 very much. it's too iphone. for the tweakers (and some other guys ) they will sell wm6.5 alongside wp7

What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
WP7 is not an iPhone. It's the next generation of smartphones. I don't think you need a file manager if every hub / app is able to organise its files automatically. Unless you like running cracks and keygens...
WP7 has smart multitasking so the OS doesn't lag (well, you want full multitask and get the 6.5 lag amirite?). It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason. Browsers will probably be enabled to load in the background, music played in the background, etc.
The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent.

What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You are ridiculous.
-----
It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
PM me, if your wm7 device will be able to keep 7 days on 1 battery charge, like my 4 y.o. Asus.
It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

pupakota said:
You are ridiculous.
-----
PM me, if your wm7 device will be able to keep 7 days on 1 battery charge, like my 4 y.o. Asus.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm ridiculous why? I said they should try. I was drawing parallels between the flamed N97 and 6.5; 6.5 isn't even flamed that much because everyone's given up on it.
I'm looking at peers running Android and iPhone OS and 6.5 is simply not competent. A screen tap is a screen tap. It should immediately register.
Don't flame just because you love your Microsoft. I support them too, but I support the change to WP7.
I have a 2-3 year old device that doesn't last 1 day. So there's your "WM6" argument dead.
Welcome to 2010. We charge everyday when we get home.
EDIT: You're running 6.1, so wow. I'm not going to argue then, since you don't seem to have much design taste.

What bothers me about WM7 is that MS seems to be taking the OS to Iphone OS version 1. While Apple is coming with a new OS that features multitasking, copy/paste because their customer base lamented these omissions, MS consciously chose to follow in their mistaken footsteps?
Doesn't make sense to me.

parallels between the flamed N97 and 6.5
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you should realize that parallelling phone and PDA i not good idea too...
I have a 2-3 year old device that doesn't last 1 day.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, ask HTC about it. OMAP and 1 day lifetime? You need to buy phone, imho.
So there's your "WM6" argument dead.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I meant that wm7 and its ADVANCED powersaving is jut propaganda bs.
Welcome to 2010. We charge everyday when we get home.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I like to think that i do not need unneccesary changes. I am not marketplace user.
EDIT: You're running 6.1, so wow. I'm not going to argue then, since you don't seem to have much design taste.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you know, do not judge me like that, plz..i did not need even wm05 to make my thoughts looking nicer, than your wm7. or your 6.5 http://pdaclub.pl/forum/pocket-pc-ogolnie/nothin'-at-all/. actually, 4 yr later, i am happy with 6.1ized wm 6.5 with cutoff bull**** you all like. do not teach me about taste.
sry for ot, g'night, g'luck.

pupakota said:
you should realize that parallelling phone and PDA i not good idea too...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Both WinMo phones & N97 have a touchscreen, make calls (WinMo is a phone. Smartphone. Not PDA.), why can't I draw a comparison there?
pupakota said:
...Well, ask HTC about it. OMAP and 1 day lifetime? You need to buy phone, imho...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's an older battery now, but it never lasted more than 2 days. I use the touchscreen alot, full brightness, I use WiFi + data...because these are services that we use on smartphones these days. Do you save battery by leaving it in your pocket, to only pick up a call or reply to an SMS? Because then, why are you using a smartphone?
pupakota said:
...I meant that wm7 and its ADVANCED powersaving is jut propaganda bs...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Advanced powersaving? The new devices have vicious hardware. They burn more battery. And I never saw anything about powersaving for that matter - the MIX2010 conference highlighted the fact that they are building around the idea that you recharge everyday because the battery will go flat. Because that is the way it works in 2010. You want to charge weekly, then you stick with your old phone. I can expand my "no taste" argument to accommodate this - you don't want to change from old (to consumers and Microsoft) ways, and therefore you are not going to catered for by the mainstream.
pupakota said:
...you know, do not judge me like that, plz..i did not need even wm05 to make my thoughts looking nicer, than your wm7. or your 6.5 http://pdaclub.pl/forum/pocket-pc-ogolnie/nothin'-at-all/. actually, 4 yr later, i am happy with 6.1ized wm 6.5 with cutoff bull**** you all like. do not teach me about taste...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No idea what you are talking about with WM5 - are you saying you prefer 5 to 7, and you actually like 6.1 in comparison to the phones of 2010 (therefore backing up my "no taste" argument)? And thanks for giving a link to a page in Polish. No, I'm not going to bother translate it, because I don't think I should adapt to the translate feature that is present in Google Chrome. By cutoff bull****, are you referring to the cutoff feel of the WP7 UI? It's a design cue that many have embraced, pretty much none have flamed since the release of Zune HD. Hence, your viewpoint is again the minority.
I have absolutely no idea what you are basing your arguments off, brother. Sorry if you are offended that I targeted your sense of taste, but why so touchy? Maybe you should go get a non-touch phone, better battery life.
felixdd said:
What bothers me about WM7 is that MS seems to be taking the OS to Iphone OS version 1. While Apple is coming with a new OS that features multitasking, copy/paste because their customer base lamented these omissions, MS consciously chose to follow in their mistaken footsteps?
Doesn't make sense to me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Copy & Paste is getting implemented, but in a far better way. MS needs to release the OS to OEMs, so they don't have time to implement it for release. It will come in an update. Link
I've stated how multitasking works in 2 ways - either running in background, or freezing in background. Picture Link Running in background only supports the default hubs and apps at the moment, but they are incorporating 3rd party multitasking in an update. Microsoft has never been great at meeting deadlines, but this isn't any way the fault of the OS. Link

MAybe......
Lumic said:
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
WP7 is not an iPhone.
The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have to quote here:
"Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead."
This doesnt seem like sense to me - we have many many markets over the world that are only just catching on with tech that UK and some Euro/US users have had for years.
Some countries will be using old OMAP processors and Windows 6.5 for a few years yet, some countries dont even have this kind of tech avilable anywhere!
Well off users with 1 year old OMAP crap tech will want to update to this new Gen - we were all sold duffers with the last 2 generations:
Rhodium, touch pro 1 all the others slow unweidly devices.
I can vouch for this personally, having had HTC tech (1 every gen) since HTC Canary smartphone was released in 2003.
My HD2 is what I would call useable for day to day people. My Rhodium is just to slow and prone to freeze even with newest ROMS and software. IF I gave, for example, my Mum a Rhodium she would go mad - like dial up internet, very frustrating when you have seen faster she expects things to happen straight away.
However, if a non tech savy person (my mum) was to use my HD2 they would have much less trouble even though its running windows mobile 6.5 - the user experience is so much easier and more comfortable. They dont need windows mobile 7, they just need decent tech powering their device.
"WP7 is not an iPhone. "
I think many people would disagree, it seems MS have taken EVERY cue possible from the last few generations of iphone when putting together their plans for this round of Windows 7 phone series - we will see what happens when new Xbox and PC OS is released how much further they will go with integration in newer builds (hopefully lots further!)
"The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent."
Not entirely. The N97 runs S60 V5 (now known as Symbian OS ^1 or something) this is a limiting OS BUT.....the hardware of the N97 is where the trouble is. They removed the 3d Chip, the phone doesnt have enough RAM, Keyboard sucks compared to my Rhodium.
Samsung released their I8910 which ran same OS but had Milestone/Iphone 3gs tech inside it. I had one and browsing with Opera 10 and media playback on it was AWESOME!
Other firmware features did let the phone down (samsungs fault)
Nokia made history with N95 and other similar devices.
Such amazing, perfect devices for their time, similar to Iphone.
Everyone thought that the N97 would pick up where the N95 left off but it couldnt as they were splitting their Os's from S60 V3 over to Symbian Foundation and also Maemo...meego etc..
It would take a couple of generations before things settled.
Its going to be the same for MS with their 7 Series phones....They will need to run both OS's along side each other for a long while yet given the size of this world and their market divergance.
Maybe MS will do a similar split?>
7 Series for Media/social networing whores
Some sort of return to windows CE for more advaced users?
Maybe I dont care as Android will take over Windows Mobile 6.5 perfectly for me
I would love to know where tech will be in 10 years time!
Folding multi OS devices that change shape and beam holographic style!
I think things are ramping up to change very quickly, OS shelf life is going to shrink as hardare jumps ahead of it with increasing leaps.
Exciting lol!

Sick of the Winmo 7 discussion

Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985

Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Specs are good, but hardware requirements are not met by the HD2, now what does that mean, well it means that HTC did not look ahead, and used the wrong button configuration on the phone, so it is outside the spec of what MS says is required for WP7.
So yes we are Officially screwed out of WP7 because of the buttons on our phones .....
I doubt MS is going to change their requirements for the very few existing WinMo phones that have the CPU and RAM to handle WP7.

The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.

I don't think wp7 will even be a viable option for most of us anyways (at least the initial release). Very locked down, sounds a lot like the first iphone. I'm hoping they update quickly and open it up (at least every 2-3 months), but I wouldn't hold my breath.
That is why I decided to take the plunge with the hd2. Figured it would be a couple of years before I was ready to jump on wp7. (though that 1.5ghz snapdragon htc sounds interesting and apparently is coming to t-mobile...)

chuck232 said:
The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ow is it? Cuz now I still work with my HTC Raph100 with those custom roms I talked about. I'm hoping to unbox my Leo begin this week.
So are the roms better now for the Leo?
Greetz,
Fabian1985

When I go to the offical windows mobile 7 home page..the first thing I see is the HTC Leo!!!
p.s. Sorry for the image size :$
Greetz,
Fabian1985

im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???

im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???

The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985

For me, tinkering is fun, but that is not the main function of my work device. I want it to work, and work well. If that means giving up a couple features, features which I can live without, then I'll play ball. WP7 has been built from the ground up with a very different goal than Windows Mobile, which had the original goal of bringing the PC to a PDA format. I don't need that, and the functionality that is associated with that goal gets in the way of usability for my purposes. If your use cases do not match up with what WP7 is capable of, so be it, but know that the vast majority of customers aren't tinkerers and tweakers.

Fabian1985 said:
The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
"alot of old junk" in WM 6.5? Oh yes - like copy & paste, and proper multitasking? If you think that's junk, you'll love WP7.
iPhone OS v1 was rubbish. v4 finally has most of what you actually need and what WM has had for years. Same with Android - the first versions were severly lacking in many areas. Only now is it coming into it's own at v2.2.
Anyone should be able to see that since it's a completely new OS, WP7 will be equally as rubbish as the iPhone and Android offerings were at initial release.

yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...

drownage said:
yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.

This is a stupid and pointless thread.

Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Be patient and wait for WM Phone 7 to come out! Once it's out you / HD2 will get the chance.

Kalavere said:
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.

watcher64 said:
Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.

chuck232 said:
Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had heard about the 3 button some time early last year, but you are right that may have been after the design and during the production phase of the HD2.
MS did not make an Official release of the specs till I think January of this year, I think that is when it was.
Either way , you can blame HTC, you can blame MS, but, it is true for any piece of technology, CPU's that keep changing sockets, Video Cards that keep changing standards, DVD/Blu-Ray standards the list goes, on ...
I mean providers are not going to change what they decide to to with regards to their specs and requirements just because people scream, I mean why can't I run Iphone OS on my HD2(not that I want to ), because it is not compatible, even though the HD2 out powers most Iphones, and just because Apple says NO.
I suggest, instead of getting all up in arms here, and bashing people for their views you contact MS and HTC and complain to them, not that it will get you anywhere, just as posting here is just gonna start a big discussion, but not fix it anyway.

chuck232 said:
They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, sorry I meant more like management a while ago... 1 year ago is still much after iPhone released... they should have done something like WP7 from the beginning and if management wasn't an issue, I doubt we would see two different teams for mobile in the first place: Kin and WP7... I do agree however, management is seeming much better now...
EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...

drownage said:
EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True, and I am sure some of the smart guys here will do just that for our custom WP7 ...

If Windows Mobile 7 Was Properly Ported Onto HTC HD2 Would It Be The Same As HTC HD7?

I have had my HTC HD2 for around 5-6 months now. Though I'm happy with it and it has exceeded my expectations, I was thinking of upgrading it to WM7 when it's finally ported for the HD2.
What I would love to know is if the HD2 indeed had WM7 ported for it, would it run the SAME as it would on HTC HD7?
Reason I ask this is because I was planning on selling my HD2 and get the HD7.
However, both phones have the SAME screen size, same 1ghz processor, same ram & same 5mp camera, the HD7 only being 720p.
Why should I sell my old HD2 to buy the new one which is the SAME spec?
That is why I was asking if WM7 was ported onto the HD2, would it:
- Run as quick?
- Responsive, fast & smooth
- If it really will be ported, when can we expect the first rom or when should it be made for HD2

I am sure sooner or later wp7 will be cracked and ported for HD2. So we will have the same device with HD7 except the looks. Also we have some more hard buttons as an extra

Its not the same.....
It might be a very similar spec but the actual components will differ.
No ported OS will ever run as smoothly as it would on its intended device....
If you want a dedicated WP7 then you'll have to get one not wait for a port.

The fact that it is a user-made port, most likely running off SD card will mean it may be a little more sluggish than something designed natively for, and run natively on, a different device.
That's assuming the problems using Live services are overcome too

conantroutman said:
Its not the same.....
It might be a very similar spec but the actual components will differ.
No ported OS will ever run as smoothly as it would on its intended device....
If you want a dedicated WP7 then you'll have to get one not wait for a port.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Doh that's what I thought!
Well I hope at least if a port does take place, it will perform almost as good as it does on the HD7, but we have to wait and see first when one is made and how it performs.

the camera is capable of 720p it lacks drivers

From my understanding as of right now. The phone will boot into WP7 but it will not have any live application functionality. Meaning the live hubs will not work so no it will not work just like a HD7.

I personally cannot understand the hardware choices they made for WP7. They are all the same spec as the HD2, and personally I'm not shelling out $500ish for the equivalent of a Software upgrade. I'd get all your use out of the HD2 first and wait for the next Hardware generation, unless WP7 really is a big deal for you.
Personally, as a big WinMob fan, I'm now running Android on my HD2, and worryingly I might not come back to MS. Android is exceeding all my expectations, and with no upgrade path to WP7, it's beginning to win my heart, despite my slight mistrust of Google.
If WP7 does come to HD2, the big problem now does appear to be the use of Live Services. Maybe Microsoft may soon relent and sell genuine Licence Keys (there's no sign of that - it's just my wish), but until then you'll probably be locked out of them.

I have had many phones: MDA, Wing, Omnia I900, Iphone 3G and now the HTC HD2. I have Android on my HD2 and use it all the time. Only reboot back into WM every so often.
Why would I or anyone else want WM7? I can make my phone look like WM7, an iPhone, etc. Do looks really matter? Every OS has it advantages and disadvantages.
Android apps are plentiful, cheap and very good. Does WM7 have as many apps?
Do I loose a little (whatever) using Android on my HD2? If I do I don't know what.
Should I buy a new Android phone? What would I gain?
Lets be realistic. The phone companies just love to put out new phones with minor tweeks so us 'suckers' keep them in business. Where does it end?
Personally I can see buying new, if there is that much more bang for the buck. Otherwise, get the value out of what you have. In IT what you buy today is always a day behind what comes out tomorrow.
JMHO!

i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.

anhyeuemmaimai said:
i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I accually hate WP7 interface and software. Really. This is my personal opinion.

anhyeuemmaimai said:
i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I couldn't agree with you more.

Cause of interest in wp7, I read many tests and user ratings and played with it a time. After all I would buy myself an iPhone( I hate it ) instead of any wp7 phones. Its the same rubbish like iOS but for iPhone you can get more funny and useless apps . Also if you like a fast and smooth UI, WM6.5 or Android would be a better choice. wp7 will not allow to be really individual with your phone...all phones are the same hardware in other shells with same unchangeable UI. There are many more disadvantages...you should may inform yourself one more time.
But when you already know all of this there is no chance to help you

ike2903 said:
Cause of interest in wp7, I read many tests and user ratings and played with it a time. After all I would buy myself an iPhone( I hate it ) instead of any wp7 phones. Its the same rubbish like iOS but for iPhone you can get more funny and useless apps . Also if you like a fast and smooth UI, WM6.5 or Android would be a better choice. wp7 will not allow to be really individual with your phone...all phones are the same hardware in other shells with same unchangeable UI. There are many more disadvantages...you should may inform yourself one more time.
But when you already know all of this there is no chance to help you
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How are people saying WinMo and Android have faster smoother UI. That is false

Thanks everyone for your input, views and opinions.
As some have said, htc just want us to shell out another $500 just to get wm7 which may or may not be worth it since it does have the same hardware as the current htc hd2 and as it's new, there is a lot less software/apps & with regards to compatability, many existing apps for windows mobile 6.5 will not work with wm7.
Since this is the case, maybe there is no point in even upgrading to wm7 or buying a wm7 phone...
Anyway my other phone is the HTC Desire HD running android 2.2 froyo so I have the best of both.

well ! when phone 7 will be ported to HD2 microsoft will release wino 8 lol!

kanej2006 said:
I have had my HTC HD2 for around 5-6 months now. Though I'm happy with it and it has exceeded my expectations, I was thinking of upgrading it to WM7 when it's finally ported for the HD2.
What I would love to know is if the HD2 indeed had WM7 ported for it, would it run the SAME as it would on HTC HD7?
Reason I ask this is because I was planning on selling my HD2 and get the HD7.
However, both phones have the SAME screen size, same 1ghz processor, same ram & same 5mp camera, the HD7 only being 720p.
Why should I sell my old HD2 to buy the new one which is the SAME spec?
That is why I was asking if WM7 was ported onto the HD2, would it:
- Run as quick?
- Responsive, fast & smooth
- If it really will be ported, when can we expect the first rom or when should it be made for HD2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
First of all everything the hd7 has the hd2 has the only major change from the devices is that they added a kickstand.
I for one think that if the hd7 has same hardware as hd2 then running wp7 on hd2 shouldn't really be a difference. In a matter of fact the hd2 runs android well compared to other android devices that were made to run it.

OP, I think you should stay with the HD2. I'd rather have the ability to run four different operating systems (relatively well) than run a single system slightly better.

anhyeuemmaimai said:
i am going to ask you why do you want wp7? it's a huge step backwards for users in several key areas and to regain some of that functionality, you need to do several hacks to get wp7 to do what WM 6.5 can already do with ease.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Indeed. As a matter of fact, i just recently bought an HD2. not full price, less than 300 euros for a brand new unusued unscratched device with 1 y warranty.
I knew very well that W7 was coming out, even that the HD7 was soon to be out. But its the same phone. I like having extra buttons (hate 100% touch phones.. i like to press something when it becomes unresponsive ). I like Winmobile, even if people say its ****. I like my collection of CAB files.
I like HD2. I like 6.5.
i dont like the new presentation of the phone on W7.. plus the apps will be slow to launch etc etc. If u really wanna upgrade, do it in a years time, get ur phone 50% off

AinsCrowbar said:
OP, I think you should stay with the HD2. I'd rather have the ability to run four different operating systems (relatively well) than run a single system slightly better.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's VERY true. I have indeed tried android on the hd2, it was responsive, quick & reliable.
When you see android running for the first time on your hd2, you smile and think to yourself ''how cool'' I got android on a phone meant to run windows.
Anyway, I will keep my hd2 for now...