Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Specs are good, but hardware requirements are not met by the HD2, now what does that mean, well it means that HTC did not look ahead, and used the wrong button configuration on the phone, so it is outside the spec of what MS says is required for WP7.
So yes we are Officially screwed out of WP7 because of the buttons on our phones .....
I doubt MS is going to change their requirements for the very few existing WinMo phones that have the CPU and RAM to handle WP7.
The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
I don't think wp7 will even be a viable option for most of us anyways (at least the initial release). Very locked down, sounds a lot like the first iphone. I'm hoping they update quickly and open it up (at least every 2-3 months), but I wouldn't hold my breath.
That is why I decided to take the plunge with the hd2. Figured it would be a couple of years before I was ready to jump on wp7. (though that 1.5ghz snapdragon htc sounds interesting and apparently is coming to t-mobile...)
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The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
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Ow is it? Cuz now I still work with my HTC Raph100 with those custom roms I talked about. I'm hoping to unbox my Leo begin this week.
So are the roms better now for the Leo?
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Fabian1985
When I go to the offical windows mobile 7 home page..the first thing I see is the HTC Leo!!!
p.s. Sorry for the image size :$
Greetz,
Fabian1985
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
For me, tinkering is fun, but that is not the main function of my work device. I want it to work, and work well. If that means giving up a couple features, features which I can live without, then I'll play ball. WP7 has been built from the ground up with a very different goal than Windows Mobile, which had the original goal of bringing the PC to a PDA format. I don't need that, and the functionality that is associated with that goal gets in the way of usability for my purposes. If your use cases do not match up with what WP7 is capable of, so be it, but know that the vast majority of customers aren't tinkerers and tweakers.
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The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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"alot of old junk" in WM 6.5? Oh yes - like copy & paste, and proper multitasking? If you think that's junk, you'll love WP7.
iPhone OS v1 was rubbish. v4 finally has most of what you actually need and what WM has had for years. Same with Android - the first versions were severly lacking in many areas. Only now is it coming into it's own at v2.2.
Anyone should be able to see that since it's a completely new OS, WP7 will be equally as rubbish as the iPhone and Android offerings were at initial release.
yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Be patient and wait for WM Phone 7 to come out! Once it's out you / HD2 will get the chance.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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I had heard about the 3 button some time early last year, but you are right that may have been after the design and during the production phase of the HD2.
MS did not make an Official release of the specs till I think January of this year, I think that is when it was.
Either way , you can blame HTC, you can blame MS, but, it is true for any piece of technology, CPU's that keep changing sockets, Video Cards that keep changing standards, DVD/Blu-Ray standards the list goes, on ...
I mean providers are not going to change what they decide to to with regards to their specs and requirements just because people scream, I mean why can't I run Iphone OS on my HD2(not that I want to ), because it is not compatible, even though the HD2 out powers most Iphones, and just because Apple says NO.
I suggest, instead of getting all up in arms here, and bashing people for their views you contact MS and HTC and complain to them, not that it will get you anywhere, just as posting here is just gonna start a big discussion, but not fix it anyway.
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
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Yes, sorry I meant more like management a while ago... 1 year ago is still much after iPhone released... they should have done something like WP7 from the beginning and if management wasn't an issue, I doubt we would see two different teams for mobile in the first place: Kin and WP7... I do agree however, management is seeming much better now...
EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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True, and I am sure some of the smart guys here will do just that for our custom WP7 ...
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What do you guys think of getting involved in a class action against HTC/Microsoft if HD2 is not allowed WP7? Now that WP7 is announced, many software companies are going to stop (or already stopped) developing for WinMo 6.5 and we are left outside with an already bricked 2 month old device (it's not even out for USA). I don't like paying $1.000 (yes it is that expensive where I live) for a device which will be outdated in 2 months. HTC and Microsoft should be more loyal to their customers than that. What do you all think?
HTC and Microsoft never promised a WP7S upgrade.
If you're thinking about raising a class action for something that wasn't in the contract of sale, you are, as we say in Scotland, an eejit (idiot).
Sell your HD2 now and be phone-less for 6 months, then buy a Wp7s capable phone. Or at the very least wait for an official announcement on whether it will be upgradable or not.
they never promised an upgrade, but they never said that we won't be able to use WP7 apps as well. Even when you buy a desktop PC with Windows, you're given the option of free upgrade when the new OS is imminent, else no one would buy. And that's when you can still perfectly use all the new applications on your old OS. Don't you feel kinda being cheated, is it only me??
bricked device? it still works doesn't it? you've got a year or so before 7 really hits the mass market, that doesn't stop your phone from working NOW.
do you look at cars the same way? I got my Renault Laguna, it's made in 2001 but I'm not moaning because they don't let me upgrade to the nice shiny 2010 model engine just because i have an older version.
I don't get the complaining about being able to have 7 on their phone when clearly it doesn't have the hardware (4 point multi touch, 3 buttons etc) that windows 7 needs.
I'm sure MS or HTC will take the OS as far as they feel like before 7 rolls out and I would not doubt that some of the clever code monkeys here on XDA will be able to cook up a fantastic 7 ROM that will work in some way on our currently working and rather impressive HD2's
why are people complaining about not having win7 available on the device when it is out in about 7 months time? Did you buy the HD2 SOLELY on the basis it would have this upgrade in OS? Did HTC promise you that it was going to upgraded to win7 when it came out?
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they never promised an upgrade, but they never said that we won't be able to use WP7 apps as well. Even when you buy a desktop PC with Windows, you're given the option of free upgrade when the new OS is imminent, else no one would buy. And that's when you can still perfectly use all the new applications on your old OS. Don't you feel kinda being cheated, is it only me??
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WP7 is not new version of WM6.5. Call it Zune Phone and it all becomes clear.
And even if free upgrade is offered sometimes with desktop computers, it clearly is stated as a part of the contract. Here it was not. If you don't like it, you should have not bought it.
I had thought of hanging on to my Touch Pro until WP7 came out. I ended up getting the HD2 and I've never had so much fun with a phone.
We are spoiled rotten in this community. I can get my device to do anything I want it to do and a few things I hadn't even thought of thanks to the hard work, generosity and smarts of the good people who contribute to these forums.
Come on! We don't even know if we will like WP7 yet! Enjoy the amazing device you have. Modify it, flash it, load a thousand apps on it if you like.
By the time WP7 is stable, usable and has a load of good apps, we'll probably be good and ready for an upgrade.
If the HD2 does everything you need in a phone what does it matter if it will run 7 or not? Especially if HTC never promised it would.
If its just for epeen status you're gonna look like gypsy joe anyway come the time trying to run a new OS on an old phone. Either way I am sure some bright spark on XDA will make 7 run on the HD2.
Also remember that WP7 is brand new OS with no applications at all. It will take at least a year till it will start to be usable for basic operation. We don't know how hard it will be to adapt actual applications. It might be minor modifications, it might be totally impossible, and everything would have to be done from the scratch.
Yes .. we all want new better WM .. but WP7 is just not that.
How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
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How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
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you are right but most applications developers stoped developing for wm6.5 and starts to develope for the upcoming wp7 series so it is wm6.5 end (but not in an official way)
reasons why this bull
1 in the box which my htc hd2 was piece of paper saying that this phone would get a upgrade to wm7
2 there footage of wm7 on the htc hd2
3 the fact that ms always denie all rumours about all their products
4 no device has 4 point mutil touch if was the case this would be a big deal for microsoft as apple owns the patents for true mutil touch screens
5 windows specs change all the time and this is true for all software
6 the htc hd2 pro is coming out and professionals would want wm7
a piece of paper may say they will do 7 but maybe the rules changed and they discovered in the full release version they can't run wm7
i'm sure the initial idea was great but reality has deemed the hd2 not suitable for wm7
would a pro want an OS that's not allowing backward compatibility of their "pro" apps? no so maybe they'll stick with 6.5xxxx
have you actually tried wm7 yet? all this fuss and it might turn out to be rubbish then i guess you'll bring another class action against MS to say you want 6.5 back
whether it be Apple/MS/HTC they can't please everyone but to rant about it BEFORE the OS is out is pretty pointless. think logically rather than throw toys from pram please
I think WP7 will be business oriented. Only think they can do better then the others would be exchange synchronization. Otherwise I see no reason why would anybody buy it. And before new apps are done for it, iPhone will have new version, Android will be at 3.0 and another players may show up.
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What do you guys think of getting involved in a class action against HTC/Microsoft if HD2 is not allowed WP7? Now that WP7 is announced, many software companies are going to stop (or already stopped) developing for WinMo 6.5 and we are left outside with an already bricked 2 month old device (it's not even out for USA). I don't like paying $1.000 (yes it is that expensive where I live) for a device which will be outdated in 2 months. HTC and Microsoft should be more loyal to their customers than that. What do you all think?
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Sorry guys, I couldn't help it
this forum gets dumber by the day.
I'll Stick with 6.5!
Why does anyone want WP7 anyway? My phone works just the way I want it (now, after a few problems initially), it is fast, looks great and makes most other phones look like they were just dug up in an episode of Time Team!
I have just about every app I could want, running beautifully and doing pretty much everything I could ever need. If I was offered WP7 today I would say no! An untried OS with no software support for at least another 6 months (after release) and we don't know how customizable or flexible it will be... I'd be mad to jump ship from 6.5!
When I know what the new OS actually is, when I know I can get all the software I require and that I can make the phone the way I want it and that the OS is something I actually like THEN... I'll have a new device that will have even more bells and whistles and this won't be an issue...
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Why does anyone want WP7 anyway? My phone works just the way I want it (now, after a few problems initially), it is fast, looks great and makes most other phones look like they were just dug up in an episode of Time Team!
I have just about every app I could want, running beautifully and doing pretty much everything I could ever need. If I was offered WP7 today I would say no! An untried OS with no software support for at least another 6 months (after release) and we don't know how customizable or flexible it will be... I'd be mad to jump ship from 6.5!
When I know what the new OS actually is, when I know I can get all the software I require and that I can make the phone the way I want it and that the OS is something I actually like THEN... I'll have a new device that will have even more bells and whistles and this won't be an issue...
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why would you like to stay with un supported version of os ,as wp7 arrives developers will stop developing for wm6.5
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How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
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+1 -CLASS ACTION? That is so laughable! End these threads please it just annoying to guess at everything. Wait for the MIX '10 and listen to then as to what they want to say. Until then no more threads about WP7 upgrades on HD2...wahh.wahhh.wahhh...
There goes another 2 minutes of my life. When will I learn....
Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows if HTC will be releasing the 6.5.3 builds of WM on the HD2? I prefer this build as it is more finger friendly and looks cleaner. Also is the any Clean 6.5.3 roms out for the HD2?
Thanks in advance.
I don't think we gonna get any updates for HD2 for WM 6.5.xxx..!!!
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I don't think we gonna get any updates for HD2 for WM 6.5.xxx..!!!
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May I aks you why are you so sure? Does this apply to all versions, including T-Mobile US one?
vponomarev said:
May I aks you why are you so sure?
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because MS want everyone to buy shiny new wp7 phones.
Does this apply to all versions, including T-Mobile US one?
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If T Mo US want to fork out a fat fist full of cash to MS, they might, but i'd give REALLY big odds that they wont. Why would they? they have sold out in the first week, thats their investment back, now all they have to do is sit back, wait for wp7 and start the whole circus again.
No one is going to offer upgrades, I suspect. The only way forward as i see it for 6.5.x is as a side line to the wp7. Maybe the 'business' range, alongside wp7 as the consumer range.
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Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows if HTC will be releasing the 6.5.3 builds of WM on the HD2? I prefer this build as it is more finger friendly and looks cleaner. Also is the any Clean 6.5.3 roms out for the HD2?
Thanks in advance.
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I asked HTC, and they said that there are no plans on 6.5.3 release in near future.
Oh that sucks, ah well, that what you brilliant people are here for lol
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I asked HTC, and they said that there are no plans on 6.5.3 release in near future.
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That does it for me, now i'm realy going to flash my device!
I have waited for a new HTC ROM update and wanted at least 6.5.3 on my device or even better 6.5.5... SO!
AND flashing gives me a faster better device, so! Thanks! And THANKS HTC!
I sent message to HTC. I asked when we get a new WM 6.5.3 on our HTC HD 2. They wrote me that they nothing know about new ROM updates for HD2.... So we must waiting, but if we don't get new WM from HTC in near future I flash my HD2
What is the point of these builds then? the only phone i know which will have it is that nasty sony ericsson trying to be a blackberry.
Great! WP7S is out of the question, and now 6.5.3/5 is out as well...
I really expected to a more finger friendly OS on the HD2...
HTC and MS are really working hard to make their customer go and buy an iPhone...
liamR said:
Great! WP7S is out of the question, and now 6.5.3/5 is out as well...
I really expected to a more finger friendly OS on the HD2...
HTC and MS are really working hard to make their customer go and buy an iPhone...
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I think they are aming for us to buy the new WinMo 7 phones...
I'll be surprised if there isn't another ROM release. The stock carrier ROMs are quite a way behind those on unlocked phones for a start and I imagine there's a risk of losing customers to the competition if support isn't seen to be provided. My guess is that the various 'flavours'' of HD2 will be updated so that they have the same OS and applications.
Windows Phone 7 doesn't look appealing to me and if I want a locked down phone, I'll get an iPhone.
What does the updates do?
what are you complaing about from what i see wp7 is not very good. it looks ugly i heard it doesnt have file copy/paste etc. why would you want a phone that you cant move your files around. this is the perfect phone because it has all the power of the new wp7 series phones and theres a need to develop new software/roms etc. i think this phone is sick mate. im sure pretty soon they will get android up and running. forget wp7 i looking forward to dual booting android which whichever rom i take the liking too. my point is stop complaining and enjoy the phone.
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what are you complaing about from what i see wp7 is not very good. it looks ugly i heard it doesnt have file copy/paste etc. why would you want a phone that you cant move your files around. this is the perfect phone because it has all the power of the new wp7 series phones and theres a need to develop new software/roms etc. i think this phone is sick mate. im sure pretty soon they will get android up and running. forget wp7 i looking forward to dual booting android which whichever rom i take the liking too. my point is stop complaining and enjoy the phone.
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This topic has nothing to do with WM7, This is about 6.5.3 which is an updated version of 6.5. Let not turn this into a 7.0 discussion.
Any news? How could be possible that we won't receive any new upgrade? Many manufacturers are upgrading their phones. Samsung Omnia II got WM 6.5.3, Toshiba TG01 will get Windows Mobile 6.5.5
Why HTC is so disrespectful of its customers?
mjordan79 said:
Any news? How could be possible that we won't receive any new upgrade? Many manufacturers are upgrading their phones. Samsung Omnia II got WM 6.5.3, Toshiba TG01 will get Windows Mobile 6.5.5
Why HTC is so disrespectful of its customers?
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They are, aren't they.
I enjoy hacking my phone but if the last update really is the last, I'll look elsewhere for my next phone. Mine still has bugs out of the box and I'd expect these to be addressed on a £500 device at the very least.
Leaving the HD2 in it's current state, with the underlying OS being touch unfriendly, is an odd decision. I wonder how long Windows Phone 7 will be supported. I fear another Vista. Will we be discussing Windows Phone 8 in a year's tIme?
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They are, aren't they.
I enjoy hacking my phone but if the last update really is the last, I'll look elsewhere for my next phone. Mine still has bugs out of the box and I'd expect these to be addressed on a £500 device at the very least.
Leaving the HD2 in it's current state, with the underlying OS being touch unfriendly, is an odd decision. I wonder how long Windows Phone 7 will be supported. I fear another Vista. Will we be discussing Windows Phone 8 in a year's tIme?
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Isn't that the point... WP7 will eventually lead to WP8, it's a moving target. If you want 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 you can install a cooked ROM that has it. The great thing is that... MS is continuing to develop the 6.5.X series and... the cooks are getting it to us.
My point isn't the inevitability of Windows Phone8, it's a question of how long 7 will be supported. Manufacturers seem to have forgotten that users have contracts with their phones and will need to keep them for 2 years or more before upgrading. The HD2 had very little support, leaving owners of this flagship device with an out-of-date machine after a few months. Other phone suppliers continue to provide upgrades to their ranges. I won't forget this when I need a new phone, especially since my phone still has bugs. HTC will lose customers. Whether they care about this or not is another matter but I'd aim to keep my customers in the current climate, even if I only sell each of them one phone every 2 years.
I'm waiting for a reply to my bug report.
We should all make some pressure on HTC.Send them e-mails, post on blogs, contact newspapers, etc etc...
HTC should change this their bad support. We buy a 600$ device and get a 6 month support, no upgrades (only bugfixes, and not for all bugs).
This is not what people expect from a company such as HTC.
I'm really thinking about the HD7 but I'm also a big Android fan. I personally am teetering on the big hd7 upgrade or waiting for the big thing for Android.
Not asking for a Windows 7 vs Android debate... I'm just trying to see what your thoughts are on getting the HD7... Are you upgrading? Why or why not?
edit: Sorry for the incorrect grammar in the poll. I wish I could edit it.
It's supposed to read:
"I'm not sure, I'll wait to see..."
Don't you think it would be better to ask the question after the HD7 is widely available?
It just seems that the question is a little silly when no-one has really had time with the machine...
It's the same phone with video out and a more restricted OS. Why would I switch?
I agree with Smail. Not much of an upgrade really.
it looks like a bull dog licking piss off a stinging nettle, no thanks!
No thanks, primarily because of the WM7. I would probably think of getting a WM7 device IF it was backward compatible with WM6 apps, but now i am not even looking in that direction.
i wouldnt really say that its an "upgrade". Its more or less the same phone. Tbh i prefer HD2 because of its current "development state"(android and maybe windows phone) and customizations. Hd7 seems more "restricting" to me for some reason :S
I can think a few positive points:
1. It is less buggy
2. Smoother
3. apps apps apps
4. Over the air updates (very important) and not waiting months anymore
5. It is all integrated. Select a word in a document/web and you can find it instantly on bing. Select an adres directly into your navigation etc etc
6. MS will eventually stop support for WM6.5
7. No developers for WM6.5 anymore (like angry birds)
95% of the people don't care about customising their phone. It just has to work.
iPhone has proven that.
95% of the people don't care about customising their phone. It just has to work.
iPhone has proven that.
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I can think a few positive points:
1. It is less buggy
2. Smoother
3. apps apps apps
4. Over the air updates (very important) and not waiting months anymore
5. It is all integrated. Select a word in a document/web and you can find it instantly on bing. Select an adres directly into your navigation etc etc
6. MS will eventually stop support for WM6.5
7. No developers for WM6.5 anymore (like angry birds)
95% of the people don't care about customising their phone. It just has to work.
iPhone has proven that.
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the fact is:
1. new things are always more buggy.
2. new os always consume more resource, as HD7 has the same hardware spec with HD2, it means HD7 with WP7 is less smoother than HD2 with WM6 or same with HD2 with WP7.
3. apps? are you kidding!? where are apps for WP7? I can't even see it...
4. continue updates? it's just one promise of MS (even not a official promise), but how? these updates are what you need? what you need will be updated? all HD2 user want a update to WP7, but MS say NO to everyone... so your can just hope MS will give you a update what you want, or even no hope...
5. frankly, google dose this much better than MS, if you use your phone for this, your best choice is andriod.
6. that's definitly true! like the way which MS always use to his costumers. but this tragedy will be repeated on WP7 soon, when MS wants to make more money from WP8, 9 10...
7. you are right, some day, there won't have developers for WM6.5 anymore, but when? it's a game about time, isn't it? I will enjoy my WM6.5 with thousand free apps for a long time till they can't fit my daily use, then I will swicth directly to the newest phone with best OS and hardware (MS or not).
if WP7 can just do some thing what has been done by Iphone, why I need a WP7!? I should go directly to Iphone!!!
HTC WP7????
Honestly this isn't a device from HTC, its a Windows Device with HTC logo!!!
I mean be honest what is the big force of HTC??? >> There UI, okay sometimes it's buggy but it is a nice user interface! free to costumer or not.
And to be honest, the way we use/have multiple windows gives a nice and order overview.
Now came back on WP7 Thy talk about there own UI!!?? Eh I need a dictionary!!
I mean the creators of Windows ware certainly drunk when thy created this UI???
Oh yeah, HTC was free to make there own UI on the WP7, this is what thy have done/may done
My point is, way you buy a HTC not a Samsung, LG, ...
The answerer will be probably 30% the device hardware look and 70% the UI!
Now with WP7 what is the deferent between all other device??? Only hardware look, the UI is the same (WP7)
This destroy the free market, and only promote Windows Phone!
When HTC have create there own UI instead the one of Windows, than I'm preprepared to by a other device.
It's basically the same phone with WP7 slashed on.
No thanks, I'll keep my HD2.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
altec1000 said:
6. MS will eventually stop support for WM6.5
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Most definitely he will,and by doing so will push for a massive immigration of Hundreds Thousands of HD2 users towards Android direction,there are over one hundred thousand applications there,big support and best of all many of us are already familiar with Android OS.
My contract doesn't end until December 2011. So am stuck with the HD2 until then. Not that i'm complaining... still love my HD2 muchly!
If you like WM6.5 You should use it. Yes people are lazy but just a small part want to customize their phone. It takes a lot of time and knowledge to do it which not everyone prefers it. Thats a fact.
I'll stick with dual booting my HD2 to wm 6.5 and Android.
Stick or twist?
Well, I got the HD2 and I'm gonna stick!
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It's the same phone with video out and a more restricted OS. Why would I switch?
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netflix streaming, xbox live integration. An OS that is opening up by the minute, and doesn't lock up several times a day on most people....
There are reasons to switch. Not saying I am switching yet, playing the wait and see approach.
poiuyasdfg said:
the fact is:
1. new things are always more buggy.
2. new os always consume more resource, as HD7 has the same hardware spec with HD2, it means HD7 with WP7 is less smoother than HD2 with WM6 or same with HD2 with WP7.
3. apps? are you kidding!? where are apps for WP7? I can't even see it...
4. continue updates? it's just one promise of MS (even not a official promise), but how? these updates are what you need? what you need will be updated? all HD2 user want a update to WP7, but MS say NO to everyone... so your can just hope MS will give you a update what you want, or even no hope...
5. frankly, google dose this much better than MS, if you use your phone for this, your best choice is andriod.
6. that's definitly true! like the way which MS always use to his costumers. but this tragedy will be repeated on WP7 soon, when MS wants to make more money from WP8, 9 10...
7. you are right, some day, there won't have developers for WM6.5 anymore, but when? it's a game about time, isn't it? I will enjoy my WM6.5 with thousand free apps for a long time till they can't fit my daily use, then I will swicth directly to the newest phone with best OS and hardware (MS or not).
if WP7 can just do some thing what has been done by Iphone, why I need a WP7!? I should go directly to Iphone!!!
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1. have you used a wp7 device??? I doubt it, because the reviews say it is very smooth and bug free.
2. It uses less resources according to reports. Where do you get your info?
3. http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/10/25/milestone.reached.in.less.than.3.weeks/
and that is pretty much before anyone has the device. Pretty good start and according to engadget (not exactly microsoft friendly), the best looking games are on wp7.
4. uhh, yes they have promised quite frequent updates, ala android OTA updates, and since all devices have minimum requirements, all devices will be able to update. Can you say that for android? How many devices have an official 2.2 update yet???
5. Once again, have you even tried a wp7 device? How can you pass judgement on something you haven't played with?
6. Huh? Devices from several years ago can run winmo 6.5. Devices that started on winmo 5. The reason these devices are no longer gonna be supported is a completely different programming language. Maybe you should try reading some.
7. so basically you are just a cheap azz???
hagba said:
Most definitely he will,and by doing so will push for a massive immigration of Hundreds Thousands of HD2 users towards Android direction,there are over one hundred thousand applications there,big support and best of all many of us are already familiar with Android OS.
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considering 6.5 is still going to be the business OS, it's not going anywhere yet. Hence the builds we are basing our custom ROMs on like 21683 (just released).
Biggest complaints of android so far: lack of games and netflix streaming still is months away.
Dear All,
As much as I like X1, there is a great successor coming to it, but is running Android OS. Which is not to my liking and I think I might find some of you who would agree that despite WinMo is a bit old, it is the excellent combination of business solution together with entertainment.
Therefore, I don't want to have debates on who likes what, I want to initiate the petition to write SonyEricsson to have this phone released in two versions, running Android and Windows Mobile 6.5(.1 or .3).
I know, it is a long shot, which will probably miss, but still - we won't lose anything and, who knows, maybe lady luck will smile upon us WinMo lovers?
Kind regards to all the community!
Why wouldn't you want winmo7?
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me... "
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Why wouldn't you want winmo7?
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me... "
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Simple enough - Phone 7 is retarded and is very similar to android in menu structure. The multi-touch screen you get is not worth the primitive interface.
it doesn't matter if android runs of sd card and i have the possibility to make the android partition larger than 512mb(fat32 ver)
bring it on android and wm in case of backup id android fails
Raux said:
Dear All,
As much as I like X1, there is a great successor coming to it, but is running Android OS. Which is not to my liking and I think I might find some of you who would agree that despite WinMo is a bit old, it is the excellent combination of business solution together with entertainment.
Therefore, I don't want to have debates on who likes what, I want to initiate the petition to write SonyEricsson to have this phone released in two versions, running Android and Windows Mobile 6.5(.1 or .3).
I know, it is a long shot, which will probably miss, but still - we won't lose anything and, who knows, maybe lady luck will smile upon us WinMo lovers?
Kind regards to all the community!
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Haha what? SE will not release it with WM 6.5 period it's not even worth making a petition because your only going to get laughed at by SE. You think SE is going to put a dead OS on a brand new phone and expect to make money from it . I agree WP7 is retarded and the interface is primitive but by no means does WP7 and Android have similar menu structures???
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Haha what? SE will not release it with WM 6.5 period it's not even worth making a petition because your only going to get laughed at by SE. You think SE is going to put a dead OS on a brand new phone and expect to make money from it . I agree WP7 is retarded and the interface is primitive but by no means does WP7 and Android have similar menu structures???
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Please allow me to disagree on that. Yes, of course, the fundamental difference in menus is present - after all - they are completely different systems. yet, if you check the way you access menus, go into settings, compose sms/e-mail, you would notice, that it is similar. I was testing Froyo though, I didn't see 2.3 yet. And on top of that - it is primitive.
Besides, even if it is laughable to try, you won't get anything, unless you try.
It is lame to think forth of the opinion of others.
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Please allow me to disagree on that. Yes, of course, the fundamental difference in menus is present - after all - they are completely different systems. yet, if you check the way you access menus, go into settings, compose sms/e-mail, you would notice, that it is similar. I was testing Froyo though, I didn't see 2.3 yet. And on top of that - it is primitive.
Besides, even if it is laughable to try, you won't get anything, unless you try.
It is lame to think forth of the opinion of others.
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You keep saying Primitive? Primitive to what WM 6.5.x lol, Like in WM there is mods and hacks to change things, for example SPB 3D(Which I'm going to install shortly) changes alot in Android menu's etc.. . The point I'm trying to make is SE will not make money or any type of gains in putting 6.5.x in the Xperia Pro, not to mention the hassle of making the WM OS optimized for the Xperia Pro. Do you really think SE is going to go out there way to do this because 1 person is asking about this lol cmon bro lets be serious. Sure maybe if you got 10 million WM users to sign that petition and promise on their life that they would buy a Xperia Pro with WM 6.5 then just maybe SE might to do it. It's not the fact it's not worth trying it's the fact that this is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I would be surprised if SE even responded to your email about this.
In addition, microsoft itself just killed windows mobile by pulling support for WM web Marketplace and Microsoft My Phone
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In addition, microsoft itself just killed windows mobile by pulling support for WM web Marketplace and Microsoft My Phone
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Ah, that's what I didn't know actually. Makes sense then.
Viper89 - look, it is not that I am saying it is not good, by primitive I mean that it is illogical. Consider, why in order to turn-on Wi-Fi I have to go in settings? That is my opinion only. SPB - is a great addon, no doubt. And, maybe, the reason I like 6.5 more is because it is so customizable. You can take a rasp and make a masterpiece out of brick
Why not to try anyway? As I've mentioned, we are not loosing anything by trying
Anyway then, I guess it will be up to you guys here, to decrypt that stupid android and hard-spl the phone
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Ah, that's what I didn't know actually. Makes sense then.
Viper89 - look, it is not that I am saying it is not good, by primitive I mean that it is illogical. Consider, why in order to turn-on Wi-Fi I have to go in settings? That is my opinion only. SPB - is a great addon, no doubt. And, maybe, the reason I like 6.5 more is because it is so customizable. You can take a rasp and make a masterpiece out of brick
Why not to try anyway? As I've mentioned, we are not loosing anything by trying
Anyway then, I guess it will be up to you guys here, to decrypt that stupid android and hard-spl the phone
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Hehe well you could always just put a wifi widget on your homescreen . The same reasons why you use 6.5.x is same reasons why I'm still using it today, I actually use 6.5.x more than I use Android . I probably won't get really involved with Android into a buy a Nvidia dual core phone a couple of months from now until then my 1 year 8 months old X1i will suit me just fine .
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Hehe well you could always just put a wifi widget on your homescreen . The same reasons why you use 6.5.x is same reasons why I'm still using it today, I actually use 6.5.x more than I use Android . I probably won't get really involved with Android into a buy a Nvidia dual core phone a couple of months from now until then my 1 year 8 months old X1i will suit me just fine .
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My X1 died on me because of me Was a really great phone. Now getting some cash together to get one more again or, maybe, X2.
I'd love to see this happen but I'm to much a realist to really believe in it (voted yes nonetheless).
I also agree on WP7 beeing retarded. In fact I really hope it will be a complete failure for MS. I don't want to see MS abandoning the smartphone market but WP7 is just a huge disgrace. It does nothing, is completely locked down and it is ugly (ok this one does not count, just my personal taste).
I hate Apple and their business policy, always have. But when it comes to WP7 I would rather buy an Iphone. This way I would at least get the original instead of the bad copy.
With reference to my enquiry to htc for an official android rom for the hd2.
Thank you for contacting HTC. With reference to your query, regarding the operating system, due to the Embedded Operating Systems License Agreement we have signed with the operating system developer Microsoft, we are sorry that HTC will not be able to change the operating system for your phone. It will be restricted to the original one. We are sorry for any inconvenience caused and thank you for your consideration! Thank you for your continuous support of our products and services.
Should you require further assistance, you can get in touch with us again via hotline or email. To write to us directly, you can go to http:// www.htc.com/sea/CS_Mail.aspx and select SG from the country list. It will be our pleasure to serve you again. We look forward to be of service to you again.
HTC Hotline: 1800-238-7788 Service Hours : 8 am -8 pm, Monday -Saturday (except Public Holidays)
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our
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And yet, microsoft denys us of having a windows phone 7 update. This shows how simple minded and selfish microsoft is.
Firstly, the 5 button issue. We can take that the power button just moved down to the front. And also the windows icon can be the camera and the home button could be the search button!
If microsoft does not provide us an update, why not let htc create android for the hd2? Who the hell wants to use winmo6.5? Its like, SO. LAST. CENTURY.
Winmo does not have flash 10, only flash lite, and thats not good enough for us to enjoy full flash experience on the winmo6.5 browser. Skyfire and opera has already stopped support for winmo6.5 .
Nice, I see a very "nokia's symbian" like phone right in front of me...
Feel free to share your comments.
Let me be honest: I don´t see any sense in a thread like this.
If you hate Microsoft or HTC, or even both, why do you buy a product from them?
As of today, it is standard that you cannot officially change the OS on your smartphone, but developers and chefs like here at xda make this possible for you. So, where´s the problem?
I fully agree with you that it would have been a great step by HTC to officially offer Android or WP7 for HD2 - now that would have been an amazing (and probably strategically wise) decision of HTC. But, they don´t make such a thing happen. I don´t blame them for that.
The future will show if HTC can continue a healthy growth, but I think this will not really depend on some "geeks" like us. Eighty per cent of the users don´t care about such things. All they want is an everyday use device; too many changes are not really what the masses want.
Title change. People may get misleaded...
tictac0566 said:
Let me be honest: I don´t see any sense in a thread like this.
If you hate Microsoft or HTC, or even both, why do you buy a product from them?
As of today, it is standard that you cannot officially change the OS on your smartphone, but developers and chefs like here at xda make this possible for you. So, where´s the problem?
I fully agree with you that it would have been a great step by HTC to officially offer Android or WP7 for HD2 - now that would have been an amazing (and probably strategically wise) decision of HTC. But, they don´t make such a thing happen. I don´t blame them for that.
The future will show if HTC can continue a healthy growth, but I think this will not really depend on some "geeks" like us. Eighty per cent of the users don´t care about such things. All they want is an everyday use device; too many changes are not really what the masses want.
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Hey bro, we were promised windows phone 7 remember?
Without official, nothings really complete, cause htc has the fully working drivers that the devs all want their hands on...
Fully functional if all the kernels and stuff were released to devs from htc.
I think most hd2 users want an upgrade but dont bother to complain.
Imagine if we had just one stock rom from htc... All cameras/camcorders will work. No wifi broken or bluetooth etc.
What more, others are making the switch to sensation or other preloaded android.
*I would if i could too
calvinfoo said:
Hey bro, we were promised windows phone 7 remember?
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Please help me, when and where were we promised to get WP7 on our HD2, I can't remenber that I ever read something like that...
...and due to WP7 restrictions, I'm very happy with WM6.
calvinfoo said:
Hey bro, we were promised windows phone 7 remember?
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We were never "promised" any such thing. We simply had a Microsoft spokesmen saying something like "It will be looked into" or maybe somebody saying unofficially "yeah it will happen" which is in no way any sort of official stance on the subject.
calvinfoo said:
Hey bro, we were promised windows phone 7 remember?
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when? where and please give a direct source, as it was NEVER promised by either HTC or M$ that the phone would get wp7
i bought the phone at the time because of the hardware not because of any future upgrade paths, if android hadnt come along id still be quite happily using winmo 6.5.x
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With reference to my enquiry to htc for an official android rom for the hd2.
And yet, microsoft denys us of having a windows phone 7 update. This shows how simple minded and selfish microsoft is.
Firstly, the 5 button issue. We can take that the power button just moved down to the front. And also the windows icon can be the camera and the home button could be the search button!
If microsoft does not provide us an update, why not let htc create android for the hd2? Who the hell wants to use winmo6.5? Its like, SO. LAST. CENTURY.
Winmo does not have flash 10, only flash lite, and thats not good enough for us to enjoy full flash experience on the winmo6.5 browser. Skyfire and opera has already stopped support for winmo6.5 .
Nice, I see a very "nokia's symbian" like phone right in front of me...
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I have Windows XP, why didn't I get a free upgrade to Windows 7. The new version of my car has parking sensors as standard, can I ask for them to retro fit it to my car for free?
We are entitled to updates not upgrades. I could have went from 1.48 to 1.72 to 3.14 ROM - these are updates to both WinMo and Sense.
The only thing that was stupid for microsoft was that they didn't officially or even unofficially allow the HD2 to be upgraded, not to please HD2 users but just to boost the WP7 Market numbers - these increased numbers would have persuaded more Marketplace developers.
WinMo may well be 'so last century' but it does well what I need it to do. The only weakness is development of apps. There is apps you can get for the iphone that you cannot get on the Android and visa versa, so are they so last century. Microsoft were way behind in developing (copying) the iphone marketplace and now they have went the full way by copying the iphone (WP7).
There is not a website that I have come accross that I cannot view the contents. Having XP I don't get to install IE9 and now IE10. Oh deary me, what can I do?
I've lost count of manufacturer's specific operating systems that just died. They hoped that it would lead to a vast app market (and so did the folks that bought these phones), only to find sod all.
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Let me be honest: I don´t see any sense in a thread like this.
If you hate Microsoft or HTC, or even both, why do you buy a product from them?
As of today, it is standard that you cannot officially change the OS on your smartphone, but developers and chefs like here at xda make this possible for you. So, where´s the problem?
I fully agree with you that it would have been a great step by HTC to officially offer Android or WP7 for HD2 - now that would have been an amazing (and probably strategically wise) decision of HTC. But, they don´t make such a thing happen. I don´t blame them for that.
The future will show if HTC can continue a healthy growth, but I think this will not really depend on some "geeks" like us. Eighty per cent of the users don´t care about such things. All they want is an everyday use device; too many changes are not really what the masses want.
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I agree to what you say.
According to me what the OP is trying to convey to the people is that Microsoft and HTC both neglected the potential of a device which was both in terms of hardware and software potentially capable of running two operating systems being Android and Windows Phone 7.
Now looking at Microsoft's customer support. In the past in terms of OS upgradability MS was generous enough to offer people free upgrades.
Example: People who bought the laptops two months before Windows 7 was released were offered free upgrades.
Now that's just an example but we can clearly relate this to as to why MS didn't do the same with the HD2. Now Why ?? I don't have an answer to that and the only man according to me who can answer that is http://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore perhaps you can contact him and ask him personally.
Now coming to HTC.
Clearly the people at HTC know by now that yes HD2 is capable of running Android super smoothly without any problems.
Now the question is, once HTC HD2 was released as a flagship Windows Mobile device back then even HTC knew that HD2 is the best windows mobile phone in the market... So why will they change the license agreement with Microsoft and release Android ?? I am not a HTC official but the answer to this wont be in our favor for sure.
Also HD2 was the device which provided the genesis of HTC Sense. And I dont say this but Drew Bamford the product engineer at HTC does.
His full talk can be found here: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/23/the-engadget-show-003-drew-bamford-joystiqs-chris-grant-ad/
So in short...its a million dollar industry guys...a multinational company..these kind of decisions just don't take place out of the blue moon.
However I will be really happy if HTC releases an official Android Rom.
(Which seems kind of challenging specially with the unethical change of the Windows Logo to become the Menu in Android )
http://www.dkszone.net/htc-working-on-official-android-2.3-update-for-htc-hd2
also, who cares about "official" roms anymore!? the first thing i did when i got my hd2 is to flash an energy (winmo 6.5) rom on it!
owing to the fact what the hd2 hardware is capable of it is pure nonsense htc and microsoft cannot release wp7 for hd2. hardware button mapping can be distributed easily with the only limitation being a soft key for camera operation.
though we were never promised such an update, my view still holds. they can but they wont. htc has already made hd7 and microsoft wp7 on it. they wana sell it. they want money.
thing is they cant get a profit if they were to release an update. and the other thing is even though some of us are even ready to buy a wp7 OS update to hd2 if they release...soon the OS update wud release asap to the masses (think of one such site in particular) and we wud be flashing for free.
so ultimately its the profit they are after. so hd2 is a done deal and no more.
and since are at it. here is a slogan
HTC (quietly ignorant)
hehe
i dropped $ on the HD2 mere months before the HD7 release because the tmo sales guy at the ritzy tmo store 'claimed' very intently that 'oh for SURE htc & tmo love me enough to do the right thing' by upgrading my hd2 to the hd7 system.
sucker for the latest tech candy.........me.
it was my first large smartphone purchase from a featureless clamshell w/no color display.
it showed.
it won't happen again.
the cell phone manufacturers and providers are going to find that in a few short years that peeps like me are a thing of the past, and have to become transparent.
or find new ways to trick us.
gig tiers is 1 way...
imagine if your p.c. was treated the same as the smartphones are...
lol, i give it 5 years and voila! home internet split into 6 overpriced underpowered gig tiers...
i miss the interwebs of '95...heck BBS of '87 was cool.
btw i agree with the op.
entirely.
kidrythm said:
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imagine if your p.c. was treated the same as the smartphones are...
lol, i give it 5 years and voila! home internet split into 6 overpriced underpowered gig tiers...
i miss the interwebs of '95...heck BBS of '87 was cool.
btw i agree with the op.
entirely.
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So you got a free upgrade from Win95 to Win98 to Win2000 to WinXP to Win Vista to Win7?
How many had to replace their perfectly working printer because it would not work with a new operating system because the manufacturer didn't update the drivers?
I have had phones that were WinMo5 with no official upgrade to WinMo6 or 6.5 and WinMo6 with no upgrade to WinMo6.5. I did get those upgrades thanks to the extremely clever chefs on here.
As I have said before that I think that microsoft were stupid not the allow an upgrade to WP7. Not for pleasing existing customers, but to get more users to their brand new Apps Market and also keep them when they went for a new phone.