Dear All,
As much as I like X1, there is a great successor coming to it, but is running Android OS. Which is not to my liking and I think I might find some of you who would agree that despite WinMo is a bit old, it is the excellent combination of business solution together with entertainment.
Therefore, I don't want to have debates on who likes what, I want to initiate the petition to write SonyEricsson to have this phone released in two versions, running Android and Windows Mobile 6.5(.1 or .3).
I know, it is a long shot, which will probably miss, but still - we won't lose anything and, who knows, maybe lady luck will smile upon us WinMo lovers?
Kind regards to all the community!
Why wouldn't you want winmo7?
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me... "
freakboy13 said:
Why wouldn't you want winmo7?
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me... "
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Simple enough - Phone 7 is retarded and is very similar to android in menu structure. The multi-touch screen you get is not worth the primitive interface.
it doesn't matter if android runs of sd card and i have the possibility to make the android partition larger than 512mb(fat32 ver)
bring it on android and wm in case of backup id android fails
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Dear All,
As much as I like X1, there is a great successor coming to it, but is running Android OS. Which is not to my liking and I think I might find some of you who would agree that despite WinMo is a bit old, it is the excellent combination of business solution together with entertainment.
Therefore, I don't want to have debates on who likes what, I want to initiate the petition to write SonyEricsson to have this phone released in two versions, running Android and Windows Mobile 6.5(.1 or .3).
I know, it is a long shot, which will probably miss, but still - we won't lose anything and, who knows, maybe lady luck will smile upon us WinMo lovers?
Kind regards to all the community!
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Haha what? SE will not release it with WM 6.5 period it's not even worth making a petition because your only going to get laughed at by SE. You think SE is going to put a dead OS on a brand new phone and expect to make money from it . I agree WP7 is retarded and the interface is primitive but by no means does WP7 and Android have similar menu structures???
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Haha what? SE will not release it with WM 6.5 period it's not even worth making a petition because your only going to get laughed at by SE. You think SE is going to put a dead OS on a brand new phone and expect to make money from it . I agree WP7 is retarded and the interface is primitive but by no means does WP7 and Android have similar menu structures???
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Please allow me to disagree on that. Yes, of course, the fundamental difference in menus is present - after all - they are completely different systems. yet, if you check the way you access menus, go into settings, compose sms/e-mail, you would notice, that it is similar. I was testing Froyo though, I didn't see 2.3 yet. And on top of that - it is primitive.
Besides, even if it is laughable to try, you won't get anything, unless you try.
It is lame to think forth of the opinion of others.
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Please allow me to disagree on that. Yes, of course, the fundamental difference in menus is present - after all - they are completely different systems. yet, if you check the way you access menus, go into settings, compose sms/e-mail, you would notice, that it is similar. I was testing Froyo though, I didn't see 2.3 yet. And on top of that - it is primitive.
Besides, even if it is laughable to try, you won't get anything, unless you try.
It is lame to think forth of the opinion of others.
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You keep saying Primitive? Primitive to what WM 6.5.x lol, Like in WM there is mods and hacks to change things, for example SPB 3D(Which I'm going to install shortly) changes alot in Android menu's etc.. . The point I'm trying to make is SE will not make money or any type of gains in putting 6.5.x in the Xperia Pro, not to mention the hassle of making the WM OS optimized for the Xperia Pro. Do you really think SE is going to go out there way to do this because 1 person is asking about this lol cmon bro lets be serious. Sure maybe if you got 10 million WM users to sign that petition and promise on their life that they would buy a Xperia Pro with WM 6.5 then just maybe SE might to do it. It's not the fact it's not worth trying it's the fact that this is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I would be surprised if SE even responded to your email about this.
In addition, microsoft itself just killed windows mobile by pulling support for WM web Marketplace and Microsoft My Phone
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In addition, microsoft itself just killed windows mobile by pulling support for WM web Marketplace and Microsoft My Phone
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Ah, that's what I didn't know actually. Makes sense then.
Viper89 - look, it is not that I am saying it is not good, by primitive I mean that it is illogical. Consider, why in order to turn-on Wi-Fi I have to go in settings? That is my opinion only. SPB - is a great addon, no doubt. And, maybe, the reason I like 6.5 more is because it is so customizable. You can take a rasp and make a masterpiece out of brick
Why not to try anyway? As I've mentioned, we are not loosing anything by trying
Anyway then, I guess it will be up to you guys here, to decrypt that stupid android and hard-spl the phone
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Ah, that's what I didn't know actually. Makes sense then.
Viper89 - look, it is not that I am saying it is not good, by primitive I mean that it is illogical. Consider, why in order to turn-on Wi-Fi I have to go in settings? That is my opinion only. SPB - is a great addon, no doubt. And, maybe, the reason I like 6.5 more is because it is so customizable. You can take a rasp and make a masterpiece out of brick
Why not to try anyway? As I've mentioned, we are not loosing anything by trying
Anyway then, I guess it will be up to you guys here, to decrypt that stupid android and hard-spl the phone
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Hehe well you could always just put a wifi widget on your homescreen . The same reasons why you use 6.5.x is same reasons why I'm still using it today, I actually use 6.5.x more than I use Android . I probably won't get really involved with Android into a buy a Nvidia dual core phone a couple of months from now until then my 1 year 8 months old X1i will suit me just fine .
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Hehe well you could always just put a wifi widget on your homescreen . The same reasons why you use 6.5.x is same reasons why I'm still using it today, I actually use 6.5.x more than I use Android . I probably won't get really involved with Android into a buy a Nvidia dual core phone a couple of months from now until then my 1 year 8 months old X1i will suit me just fine .
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My X1 died on me because of me Was a really great phone. Now getting some cash together to get one more again or, maybe, X2.
I'd love to see this happen but I'm to much a realist to really believe in it (voted yes nonetheless).
I also agree on WP7 beeing retarded. In fact I really hope it will be a complete failure for MS. I don't want to see MS abandoning the smartphone market but WP7 is just a huge disgrace. It does nothing, is completely locked down and it is ugly (ok this one does not count, just my personal taste).
I hate Apple and their business policy, always have. But when it comes to WP7 I would rather buy an Iphone. This way I would at least get the original instead of the bad copy.
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Just wondered now Microsoft have revealed WP7 what are your thoughts? My opinion is that it looks like a step back. I love that WM6.5 is so versatile and customizable and the new offering looks like a step away from this and into consumer land.
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Not right away, except for testing. But there won't be any apps to get the level of useability we have now at release time.
I would totally upgrade! WP7 looks SOOOO nice... For me 6.5 isn't a modern OS... It's old and ugly... And the app development has stagnated... WP7 will be the new, fresh start we have been waiting for.. Please HTC, give us the upgrade!!!
I would flash it but a custom one, maybe HTC's to try it on, to see what all the fuzz is about.... anyway, if portability of applications is impossible from WM6.5 and below, It wouldn't beof much use to me (If I want music or videos only in my device, I could as well get another one that is dedicated to only doing that a.k.a. iphone). The good side about wm6.5 and below is the flixibility of the system (playing videos as well as office documents, etc.)... just my opinion.
I would definitely try it out atleast, trying it out and seeing what I'm gaining/losing and then deciding to be honest. It won't be for everyone that's for sure. I'm curious to see how Microsoft will support WM 6 after 7 launches?
I would install it for testing only. Gonna stick with 6.5 until 7 is more mature and has a bit more going for it. I like that it seems basic and clean but I'm hoping that they still keep the very in depth settings and leave room for the consumer to tweak it, instead of locking it down like the iPhone os.
I agree with you Lindsaydr. Too consumer / provider focused. I use my phone to call people, txt/chat/email, web browse and run apps (some media based). I don't want an OS that seems focused on providing me an online store to buy stuff.
Have it modular and allow me to disable all the consumer/provider modules and I'll be happy.
In it's current state, I wouldn't install it to use for over a week. I'd install it just to check it out though.
I hope it changes. Otherwise Apple, Android, Windows Phone 7 will all be pretty much the same with different UI. All consumer/provider based and trying to lock you into their little world. I think Android is a little less of that.
well it still seems like there's quite a few months for things to change in Windows Phone 7 but it does seem like a good fresh start for Windows Mobile. Would be awesome if you could dual boot 6.5 and 7 on the HD2 although i guess that would be close to impossible
Two words: BUTT UGLY.
Thank you; no.
Forward to 6:51:30 and pay close attention to the her hand raised to her Ear @ 6:51:38 and Pause....that bak of the HTC HD2 !!!!!!
They have masked the front of the phone with CGI...LoL
HTC HD2 .....YEP !!! there it is !!!
http://www.studiosevent.com/newscen...&height=360&color=FF5500&width=400&height=224
that's a partially silly question
It's like keeping XP on a phenom because it's lighter than seven...
It's clearly quite a leap, so only a few will install it right away, there will be most probably compatibility problems with some applications, yet it will be the choice that "makes sense" to go for it, even if after a while, when more developers settle their applications to work in that environment.
I need WM7 in my HD2!
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Two words: BUTT UGLY.
Thank you; no.
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I know I am supposed to like it, but... bleh...the design sense is not the strongest feature of MS and it never has been. Sure, the guy who designed "metro" knows something about tennis shoes, but I don't like the new UI. It's trying too hard to be minimalist, modern and cool, but it looks like a major fail so far. YMMV.
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I was reading the "Microsoft hits redial in phone effort (Q&A)" on cnet. It sounds like 4 point multitouch instead of 2 is going to a requirement. Does the HD2 even have that in hardware? Its going to be officially no go without it.
Think i'll wait for sp1 myself.
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not touching it, from what I've seen so far.
I'll stay with 6.5.5.
i loved wp7 series very smooth very fast very easy
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I was reading the "Microsoft hits redial in phone effort (Q&A)" on cnet. It sounds like 4 point multitouch instead of 2 is going to a requirement. Does the HD2 even have that in hardware? Its going to be officially no go without it.
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I'm seriously trying to envision just how a 4 point multitouch system would work.
I am really not coming up with any viable scenario where FOUR fingers need to be used simultaneously to do something on my phone.
Seriously....What is that? A four-finger click will send an email to your mom asking her to bake cookies for you this weekend? Seriously. I am all in favor of improved function, but too many times with Microsoft we are forced to deal with what someone else tells us we are supposed to find intuitive and useful and very often, this is not the case.
I definitely would. I like the new UI, despite what other people may think. Although I would like for it to have Sense on it also.
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I know I am supposed to like it, but... bleh...the design sense is not the strongest feature of MS and it never has been. Sure, the guy who designed "metro" knows something about tennis shoes, but I don't like the new UI. It's trying too hard to be minimalist, modern and cool, but it looks like a major fail so far. YMMV.
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+200. I used to like Nike shoes at some point, but in the last 10(?) years they've gotten too funky for me or I've gotten too old. Regardless of who made the UI, I don't like it either.
I'm not sure this is the correct place for this, but it seems the most logical to me.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49052-microsoft-says-it-wont-abandon-windows-mobile-65
Microsoft recently announced that it won't stop or abandon WM6.5 because of the release of Windows Phone 7 Series.
Microsoft has reiterated that it will continue to support, ship and sell Mobile 6.5 alongside Windows Phone 7.
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this is just nonsense.
In another word, M$ won't stop you from buying wm6 if you want.
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I'm not sure this is the correct place for this, but it seems the most logical to me.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49052-microsoft-says-it-wont-abandon-windows-mobile-65
Microsoft recently announced that it won't stop or abandon WM6.5 because of the release of Windows Phone 7 Series.
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Wondering how MS not abandoning WinMo 6.5. What else are they ganna do about 6.5 They abandoning 6.5 long time ago.......WP7 is just another iphone wanna be. Apple doing pretty good on that, we dont need MS for another iphone.
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Wondering how MS not abandoning WinMo 6.5. What else are they ganna do about 6.5 They abandoning 6.5 long time ago.......WP7 is just another iphone wanna be. Apple doing pretty good on that, we dont need MS for another iphone.
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wp7 doesn't have a filemanager, not really multitasking or like such things.. So tweakers wouldn't like wp7 very much. it's too iphone. for the tweakers (and some other guys ) they will sell wm6.5 alongside wp7
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
WP7 is not an iPhone. It's the next generation of smartphones. I don't think you need a file manager if every hub / app is able to organise its files automatically. Unless you like running cracks and keygens...
WP7 has smart multitasking so the OS doesn't lag (well, you want full multitask and get the 6.5 lag amirite?). It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason. Browsers will probably be enabled to load in the background, music played in the background, etc.
The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent.
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
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You are ridiculous.
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It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason.
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PM me, if your wm7 device will be able to keep 7 days on 1 battery charge, like my 4 y.o. Asus.
It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason.
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You are ridiculous.
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PM me, if your wm7 device will be able to keep 7 days on 1 battery charge, like my 4 y.o. Asus.
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I'm ridiculous why? I said they should try. I was drawing parallels between the flamed N97 and 6.5; 6.5 isn't even flamed that much because everyone's given up on it.
I'm looking at peers running Android and iPhone OS and 6.5 is simply not competent. A screen tap is a screen tap. It should immediately register.
Don't flame just because you love your Microsoft. I support them too, but I support the change to WP7.
I have a 2-3 year old device that doesn't last 1 day. So there's your "WM6" argument dead.
Welcome to 2010. We charge everyday when we get home.
EDIT: You're running 6.1, so wow. I'm not going to argue then, since you don't seem to have much design taste.
What bothers me about WM7 is that MS seems to be taking the OS to Iphone OS version 1. While Apple is coming with a new OS that features multitasking, copy/paste because their customer base lamented these omissions, MS consciously chose to follow in their mistaken footsteps?
Doesn't make sense to me.
parallels between the flamed N97 and 6.5
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you should realize that parallelling phone and PDA i not good idea too...
I have a 2-3 year old device that doesn't last 1 day.
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Well, ask HTC about it. OMAP and 1 day lifetime? You need to buy phone, imho.
So there's your "WM6" argument dead.
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I meant that wm7 and its ADVANCED powersaving is jut propaganda bs.
Welcome to 2010. We charge everyday when we get home.
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I like to think that i do not need unneccesary changes. I am not marketplace user.
EDIT: You're running 6.1, so wow. I'm not going to argue then, since you don't seem to have much design taste.
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you know, do not judge me like that, plz..i did not need even wm05 to make my thoughts looking nicer, than your wm7. or your 6.5 http://pdaclub.pl/forum/pocket-pc-ogolnie/nothin'-at-all/. actually, 4 yr later, i am happy with 6.1ized wm 6.5 with cutoff bull**** you all like. do not teach me about taste.
sry for ot, g'night, g'luck.
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you should realize that parallelling phone and PDA i not good idea too...
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Both WinMo phones & N97 have a touchscreen, make calls (WinMo is a phone. Smartphone. Not PDA.), why can't I draw a comparison there?
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...Well, ask HTC about it. OMAP and 1 day lifetime? You need to buy phone, imho...
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It's an older battery now, but it never lasted more than 2 days. I use the touchscreen alot, full brightness, I use WiFi + data...because these are services that we use on smartphones these days. Do you save battery by leaving it in your pocket, to only pick up a call or reply to an SMS? Because then, why are you using a smartphone?
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...I meant that wm7 and its ADVANCED powersaving is jut propaganda bs...
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Advanced powersaving? The new devices have vicious hardware. They burn more battery. And I never saw anything about powersaving for that matter - the MIX2010 conference highlighted the fact that they are building around the idea that you recharge everyday because the battery will go flat. Because that is the way it works in 2010. You want to charge weekly, then you stick with your old phone. I can expand my "no taste" argument to accommodate this - you don't want to change from old (to consumers and Microsoft) ways, and therefore you are not going to catered for by the mainstream.
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...you know, do not judge me like that, plz..i did not need even wm05 to make my thoughts looking nicer, than your wm7. or your 6.5 http://pdaclub.pl/forum/pocket-pc-ogolnie/nothin'-at-all/. actually, 4 yr later, i am happy with 6.1ized wm 6.5 with cutoff bull**** you all like. do not teach me about taste...
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No idea what you are talking about with WM5 - are you saying you prefer 5 to 7, and you actually like 6.1 in comparison to the phones of 2010 (therefore backing up my "no taste" argument)? And thanks for giving a link to a page in Polish. No, I'm not going to bother translate it, because I don't think I should adapt to the translate feature that is present in Google Chrome. By cutoff bull****, are you referring to the cutoff feel of the WP7 UI? It's a design cue that many have embraced, pretty much none have flamed since the release of Zune HD. Hence, your viewpoint is again the minority.
I have absolutely no idea what you are basing your arguments off, brother. Sorry if you are offended that I targeted your sense of taste, but why so touchy? Maybe you should go get a non-touch phone, better battery life.
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What bothers me about WM7 is that MS seems to be taking the OS to Iphone OS version 1. While Apple is coming with a new OS that features multitasking, copy/paste because their customer base lamented these omissions, MS consciously chose to follow in their mistaken footsteps?
Doesn't make sense to me.
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Copy & Paste is getting implemented, but in a far better way. MS needs to release the OS to OEMs, so they don't have time to implement it for release. It will come in an update. Link
I've stated how multitasking works in 2 ways - either running in background, or freezing in background. Picture Link Running in background only supports the default hubs and apps at the moment, but they are incorporating 3rd party multitasking in an update. Microsoft has never been great at meeting deadlines, but this isn't any way the fault of the OS. Link
MAybe......
Lumic said:
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
WP7 is not an iPhone.
The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent.
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Have to quote here:
"Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead."
This doesnt seem like sense to me - we have many many markets over the world that are only just catching on with tech that UK and some Euro/US users have had for years.
Some countries will be using old OMAP processors and Windows 6.5 for a few years yet, some countries dont even have this kind of tech avilable anywhere!
Well off users with 1 year old OMAP crap tech will want to update to this new Gen - we were all sold duffers with the last 2 generations:
Rhodium, touch pro 1 all the others slow unweidly devices.
I can vouch for this personally, having had HTC tech (1 every gen) since HTC Canary smartphone was released in 2003.
My HD2 is what I would call useable for day to day people. My Rhodium is just to slow and prone to freeze even with newest ROMS and software. IF I gave, for example, my Mum a Rhodium she would go mad - like dial up internet, very frustrating when you have seen faster she expects things to happen straight away.
However, if a non tech savy person (my mum) was to use my HD2 they would have much less trouble even though its running windows mobile 6.5 - the user experience is so much easier and more comfortable. They dont need windows mobile 7, they just need decent tech powering their device.
"WP7 is not an iPhone. "
I think many people would disagree, it seems MS have taken EVERY cue possible from the last few generations of iphone when putting together their plans for this round of Windows 7 phone series - we will see what happens when new Xbox and PC OS is released how much further they will go with integration in newer builds (hopefully lots further!)
"The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent."
Not entirely. The N97 runs S60 V5 (now known as Symbian OS ^1 or something) this is a limiting OS BUT.....the hardware of the N97 is where the trouble is. They removed the 3d Chip, the phone doesnt have enough RAM, Keyboard sucks compared to my Rhodium.
Samsung released their I8910 which ran same OS but had Milestone/Iphone 3gs tech inside it. I had one and browsing with Opera 10 and media playback on it was AWESOME!
Other firmware features did let the phone down (samsungs fault)
Nokia made history with N95 and other similar devices.
Such amazing, perfect devices for their time, similar to Iphone.
Everyone thought that the N97 would pick up where the N95 left off but it couldnt as they were splitting their Os's from S60 V3 over to Symbian Foundation and also Maemo...meego etc..
It would take a couple of generations before things settled.
Its going to be the same for MS with their 7 Series phones....They will need to run both OS's along side each other for a long while yet given the size of this world and their market divergance.
Maybe MS will do a similar split?>
7 Series for Media/social networing whores
Some sort of return to windows CE for more advaced users?
Maybe I dont care as Android will take over Windows Mobile 6.5 perfectly for me
I would love to know where tech will be in 10 years time!
Folding multi OS devices that change shape and beam holographic style!
I think things are ramping up to change very quickly, OS shelf life is going to shrink as hardare jumps ahead of it with increasing leaps.
Exciting lol!
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Specs are good, but hardware requirements are not met by the HD2, now what does that mean, well it means that HTC did not look ahead, and used the wrong button configuration on the phone, so it is outside the spec of what MS says is required for WP7.
So yes we are Officially screwed out of WP7 because of the buttons on our phones .....
I doubt MS is going to change their requirements for the very few existing WinMo phones that have the CPU and RAM to handle WP7.
The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
I don't think wp7 will even be a viable option for most of us anyways (at least the initial release). Very locked down, sounds a lot like the first iphone. I'm hoping they update quickly and open it up (at least every 2-3 months), but I wouldn't hold my breath.
That is why I decided to take the plunge with the hd2. Figured it would be a couple of years before I was ready to jump on wp7. (though that 1.5ghz snapdragon htc sounds interesting and apparently is coming to t-mobile...)
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The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
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Ow is it? Cuz now I still work with my HTC Raph100 with those custom roms I talked about. I'm hoping to unbox my Leo begin this week.
So are the roms better now for the Leo?
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Fabian1985
When I go to the offical windows mobile 7 home page..the first thing I see is the HTC Leo!!!
p.s. Sorry for the image size :$
Greetz,
Fabian1985
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???
The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
For me, tinkering is fun, but that is not the main function of my work device. I want it to work, and work well. If that means giving up a couple features, features which I can live without, then I'll play ball. WP7 has been built from the ground up with a very different goal than Windows Mobile, which had the original goal of bringing the PC to a PDA format. I don't need that, and the functionality that is associated with that goal gets in the way of usability for my purposes. If your use cases do not match up with what WP7 is capable of, so be it, but know that the vast majority of customers aren't tinkerers and tweakers.
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The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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"alot of old junk" in WM 6.5? Oh yes - like copy & paste, and proper multitasking? If you think that's junk, you'll love WP7.
iPhone OS v1 was rubbish. v4 finally has most of what you actually need and what WM has had for years. Same with Android - the first versions were severly lacking in many areas. Only now is it coming into it's own at v2.2.
Anyone should be able to see that since it's a completely new OS, WP7 will be equally as rubbish as the iPhone and Android offerings were at initial release.
yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Be patient and wait for WM Phone 7 to come out! Once it's out you / HD2 will get the chance.
Kalavere said:
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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I had heard about the 3 button some time early last year, but you are right that may have been after the design and during the production phase of the HD2.
MS did not make an Official release of the specs till I think January of this year, I think that is when it was.
Either way , you can blame HTC, you can blame MS, but, it is true for any piece of technology, CPU's that keep changing sockets, Video Cards that keep changing standards, DVD/Blu-Ray standards the list goes, on ...
I mean providers are not going to change what they decide to to with regards to their specs and requirements just because people scream, I mean why can't I run Iphone OS on my HD2(not that I want to ), because it is not compatible, even though the HD2 out powers most Iphones, and just because Apple says NO.
I suggest, instead of getting all up in arms here, and bashing people for their views you contact MS and HTC and complain to them, not that it will get you anywhere, just as posting here is just gonna start a big discussion, but not fix it anyway.
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
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Yes, sorry I meant more like management a while ago... 1 year ago is still much after iPhone released... they should have done something like WP7 from the beginning and if management wasn't an issue, I doubt we would see two different teams for mobile in the first place: Kin and WP7... I do agree however, management is seeming much better now...
EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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True, and I am sure some of the smart guys here will do just that for our custom WP7 ...
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
Have you ever thought of searching it?
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the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?
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the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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SWITCH, you won't regret it
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SWITCH, you won't regret it
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x2, there are several WM converts on here that can assist you if you are looking for specific functions..Android has everything, just about.
mekeke said:
Have you ever thought of searching it?
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Yes i did..
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So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?
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I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
I switched from a TP2, and if you search my name you can see how I went from all WM to several Android phones, and I went back in the Rhodium forums and had discussions about WP7, WM6.5, and Android compared.
I had no intention of switching. I had no interest in WP7. I loaded Android ROMS onto my Rhodium for fun. In our discussions I decided all hardcore WM fans shoudl naturally migrate to Android. The reason is because WP7 is not the XDA Windows that WM was. However Android is. It is like WM in that you can customize everything. It is unlike it only in the fact that we customize here more out of fun than need, because Android is way more inherantly stable. However everything from the dialer, to the lockscreen, to the homescreen, is natively customizable. You just download, install, and hit the 'default' check.
I would suggest you load an Android rom on your Rhodium and check it out.
BTW... I ended up with an Epic 4g bc it was most similar to the Rhodium, however HTC has done amazing work with Sense on Android. It's not a cover on Android, its its own system.
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Yes i did..
I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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After making the switch to Android from the TP2, holy crap is WinMo garbage. Android is so much ridiculously better.
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I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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Why so resistant to change? Do you miss the days of the telegraph? Do you wish you could drive a Model T? Flawed logic and resistance to advancement and change is just ludicrous. You may have liked WinMo 6.5, but it's a dead OS. Either go Android, WP7, or just get a plain non-smartphone ffs.
It's easy to find the ROM.
The real question is how are you going to install with your Windows 3.1 computer?
So the answer to my question is?? There is no WM 6.5.X rom?
no. there is not.
Hey, don't be so tough on the guy. I can see where he's coming from...
I was a Windows mobile guy myself (going back before it was put on a phone), and it wasn't easy to just give it up. What got me to switch... was playing with Android before even thinking of making a purchase.
I played around with the Android SDK Virtual for a few days (which I quickly realized was gimped until you start adding the Market and all the apps), but even with just the very basic shell, it was completely functional - moreso than WM.
So, my suggestion is to play with Virtual machine on your PC, or find a friend who will let you fiddle around with their phone. I'm pretty sure you will quickly change your mind.
I had to read this thread. My first thought when I saw the title was that it was a joke. I had come to the conclusion that I would keep my TP2 forever with the Energy roms on it... now it's a whole new world out there and I'm looking forward to all the developers here providing all the "play with" fun I can handle and not just making my phone work. The Epic is wonderful hardware...why hold it back?
Wait.. this was a serious post?.. dude trust me i came from a touch pro 2.. i flashed pretty much every single rom that was made for it an none of them come close to being as good as the epic stock.. i hve no doubt in my min you wont regret the switch
Tapatalkin' it from my EPIC 4g
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While we are asking silly questions, is there anyone that can port a Rom of Windows Me for the Epic, so I can take a great OS and replace it for a giant steaming pile of crap.
There isn't one, and I don't think it's going to happen.
Windows Mobile is just dead. Microsoft killed it when they decided to ditch it for WP7.
It may be possible someone can get WP7 to run WM programs in some of compatibility layer similar to wine for unix. Of course in that same token, ARM is ARM, it should be similarly possible to get WM running in a virtual machine on Android, but a lot less likely. Mostly because, even though WP7 isn't WM, it is in fact still running on Windows CE.
So hypothetically it could be as simple as copying over some dll's from WM. It'll probably be a lot harder than that, and quite possibly too hard for the dev community that's left clinging to WM.
Unlike some people here, I have a lot of respect for your position. WM is an OS written for a handheld computer that had a phone added to it as an afterthought. I liked this, because I used it on PDA's before that. I even remember telling people, "one day your PDA, cell phone, and music player will all be the same thing".
While I'm just being silly, I tell you what I'd really like to see, and that's a netbook with a "snap in" (a piece of hardware) handset. We're already carrying around 5" devices, let's go on up to a netbook size, but have the phone part detachable. At this point I almost feel silly carrying around a laptop AND a smartphone, because there's so much redundancy. I'll just put the netbook in a manpurse and be done with it.
So anyway, back on topic, no there's not a WM ROM for the Epic, and I seriously doubt there will ever be. The reason simply boils down to drivers. There won't ever been any drivers written for Galaxy S hardware for WM, and writing drivers is really tough stuff. There probably aren't even that many people who know how to write WM drivers from scratch, let alone in the dev community. And it would take so many man hours you'd really need a team to do it before the hardware reached obsolescence.
You really have three options at this point. The first is to wean yourself off WM. Android really, really is linux running on a phone, with a pretty GUI. The GUI is so good that, until you really dig down into it, it's hard to realize that. Think about what you like about WM, and then see if you can get the same functionality out of Android. Almost everyone does if they give it an honest try.
The second is to see what Microsoft is going to offer you in terms of continued support for WM. There's some talk about them separating consumer mobile Windows (WP7S) from business mobile Windows. Motorola did the ES400, and more might follow. But that could be a tougher pill to swallow than swapping platforms. (More info here.)
The third is rely on the dev community to get virtualization or a compatibility layer for WP7 going, and hopefully mod the UI.
That's really it. I wish you the best. I decided like a lot of people here to swithch to Android, and I haven't regretted it one bit. The Epic is an amazing device. There's an Android learning curve, but it's really not that bad.
thank you for your reply.. Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7. also thank you to anyone who gave me a simple answer to my question.. "NO"..
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Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7.
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Never buying a new phone again eh?
I just stumbled on this thread... HA. I came from the mogul->tp->tp2 and I am so glad I am rid of windows mobile. My wife has my old tp2, and I hate working on it now. Roms w/ android are just better all around.
Anything wimo can do android can do better.
Yeah, I know its so locked down and blah blah blah but in all actuality with the amount of support it's getting already it could be an amazing OS. Android didn't get this much love upon initial release. Most people who bought the first run of G1s couldnt tell the difference between a cellphone and a toaster and look where it's at now. WM6.5 is dead... I mean I love it, I love the amount of customization but I would like to have a phone that is relevant again also... In all honesty I wouldnt care if Cotulla released the version that was more or less a glorified feature phone, I would be right on top of it. We all know it will be app-unlocked in time and when thats the case who needs a marketplace? I know HD2 can run android and WP7 but android, regardless of how awesome it is, will always be lacking in the same manner as iphones are in terms of physical appeal. There is none. Just like no other type of phone has a music program that doesnt just more or less suck (If you think iphones music player is just the best then you're likely a tool.) I think that we should be working more on WP7 than gingerbread and its almost non-existent updates.
You can all go ahead and flame me now
Who's this? Steve ballmer?
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Yes, I'd be speaking ill of 6.5 if I was that incompetent republican. I'm not even sure that antique knows what a cellphone is. He probably bought his current one second-hand from Zack on Saved by the Bell.
Android didn't get as much love on the release because it was took up by people that know something. WM7 was taken up with love by people that know no better, unless hacked proper, wm7 will not remain on the hd2 and droid itself is a better system all-round. WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed, but it isn't looking better than droid and probably never will.
Do learn a little bit more before you go ahead and big up an os with gaming capabilities of a comodore 64...wm7 is the touchy feely os for kids and people who know little about smart-phones or are scared by them.
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WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
The core WP7 might be better than WM6.5.
WP7 was built with only touchscreen phones in mind, whereas WM6.5 can work on touchscreen phones, non-touchscreen phones, PDAs and loads of industrial units. And WP7 isn't designed for many phones, but basically due to the specification laid out by MS, one phone (ie the Windows iPhone).
After all WP7 doesn't have to deal with legacy issues that the more generalised WM6.5 has to.
If MS had just stuck to the core and put on their front, but allowed the manufacturers to put their own front end on (and thus the XDA Developers to really develop the system) then maybe I would be more inclined to move to WP7.
As for the specification, why go down the fixed internal memory? HTC tried it with my HTC Diamond (4GB) only to see an 8GB microSD card come out not long after. Thus the Diamond 2 went back to the microSD card.
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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It's from the same OS's branch, (your comparison is wrong) you may say a Modern house is better than a shack, However they're made in a completely different way and structure .
Microsoft's OS will remain Microsoft's. wether they called it Windows Mobile 7 or Windows Phone 7
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lol. that's well put my friend.
IMHO, the entire HD2 comunity will switch to Android,sooner than later,including myself,my son already did,he havent used WM since over a moth now.
The reason is obvious every each one of us had the chance to compare the two OSs side by side,even someone sceptical as myself keeps on visiting to my Android neighbour living on my SD card.well should confess that its already starting to grow on me.
I wish we had the chance to test the WP7 side by side with the Android as well on our HD2,but seems to me that MS may be is not confident enough that His new OS will hold itself against Android,or may be the mnufacturers want to sell more phones.in either case I want to say this:
Our HD2s will wear out in few months,we will need to get new phones,the overwhelming portion of the users will no doubt switch to Android,it is in the interest of MS to port the WP7 full experience not just to the HD2 but to every single phone out there,to IOS devices,Android devices,people must have the chance to see what it is all about.
Looks like the WP7 devices sales are dissmal so far,if it turns out to be a fail,the Manufacturers will be the first to abandon the ship.
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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Its like me saying im better sober than drunk.
Its better in my opinion due to its difference so it can be better, its from the same OS maker so how cant it be....that means you cant say one football team is doing better than the other cause they are different....wise up.
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Our HD2s will wear out in few months,we will need to get new phones
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No way man, I think your underestimating the longevity of the HD2, by all accounts it should have died out already, it was saved by droid porting, it wasn't going to have survived with WM6.5, but look it has survived and is still standing up to phones like the EVO and thats something.
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Android didn't get as much love on the release because it was took up by people that know something. WM7 was taken up with love by people that know no better, unless hacked proper, wm7 will not remain on the hd2 and droid itself is a better system all-round. WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed, but it isn't looking better than droid and probably never will.
Do learn a little bit more before you go ahead and big up an os with gaming capabilities of a comodore 64...wm7 is the touchy feely os for kids and people who know little about smart-phones or are scared by them.
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I've got both a nexus one and an HD2 running android and for those of us who are big in the gaming aspects of android sure it's awesome but hell, if that was my core interest I'd sell out and buy an iphone. Call me greedy but I want something functional that also looks clean and iphones jumbled mess certainly never pulled that off, same goes for android, I don't care how many widgets you have on there or anything. I keep a plain black screen with minimal dock options in launcher pro and it is still just unattractive. I'm all for functionality over form but until wp7 it's as though no one ever even bothered trying to make a phone look nice. Windows mobile is still the most functional OS to date if you really know what you're doing but honestly, who wants to play on a system whos best games look like they were released for the sega saturn? Android has all the gaming in the world but is not very pretty regardless of what launcher you use. iOS is just trash, no reason needed. but WP7 may be the first phone that in time has a pretty UI and a great app community and that is what I want in a phone.
We need to understand that we represent a small number of cell phone users. Most are happy with what they get from the manufacturer. A small number of us love hacking our phones and making them do things they weren't meant to do. That being said, comparing OS's is useless. Everyone has different needs and wants. I, for example, don't care anything about gaming on a phone. So Android has no appeal to me (and yes I have owned an Android phone). Each OS appeals to folks with different needs. We are all entitled to our opinion as to what OS we like to use. I am one of those folks still impressed with the HD2. When it is tiime for me to upgrade (and I don't see a need for that anytime soon) it won't be Android. I'll be looking seriously at the Win7 phones or will be returning to Blackberry.
agree with Illusive Man.
I'm using WinMo 6.5 over years now, but I also used iOS and Android due to my work.
iOS is perfect for noob Users. Really, everything you need to know is how to register to the AppStore.
But don't want something special from your phone like to store youre files on a special place...
Android is perfect for Gaming and perfect for all "Open Source is better than Microsoft" users don't forget google won't save your data, and the earth is a disc
WinMo 6.5 is perfect for Business Users espacially when the Business Infrastructure itself is based upon Microsoft/Office/Exchange. Also for industrial Use.
WP7
Microsofts answer to iOS/iPhone. It's simple. When I don't have to take care about that someone put/change Files in my System and don't have to care about supporting so many different phones, than it's easier to bring up a smooth and stable OS
So we see, each OS has it's right to live all over this world, they're different and each user should choose for his own preferences....
PEACE
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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I totally agree man, I tried skateboard and it was not for me - but I got into green in late '08 and there is no turning back!
When my co. took away windows phone and went all BB, I did not like bb's and while they improved it was never remotely close enough. Got HD2 when it came out, showed the co. all the productive things I can do with it, still no go - in fact they said "you can have iPhone or BB, pick one now." I took iPhone since at least that helps our bb-centric IT guys get used to pop3 mail handling. But for some odd reason I can't stand iPhone and just love WP7. Maybe it's the difference between built-in Office 2010 mobile w/sync-to-cloud and sync-to-sharepoint, vs... what, angry birds?
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WP7 Sucks and so do you.
Go buy an iphone.
All in all it comes down to what you want to use it for. When I want to play games with a pocket sized device, I whip out my PSP. When I have to edit a spreadsheet or word document while I just happen to be at my kid's Tae Kwon Do practice it's nice to be able to do that on a pocket sized device rather than lug around a lap top and hope you can find Wifi service.
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WP7 Sucks and so do you.
Go buy an iphone.
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Just about every time Microsoft updates to a new and improved OS, it mucks with the end users ability to change some things.
I guess with Andriod, it will never change in that respect.
I would like to see the capabilities of WM7 but I fear the phones comming out with it are left a bit short even by WM 6.5 standards.
I dont see anything wrong with WM 6.5 as long as I don't bloat it down with alot of shortcuts and what not.
I am not saying the apps and tools here don't cut it... just I would think some body would program each hard key to do funtions like toggle and page flip on shortcuts.
They are there and you dont need to make some new fangled gui or shell.
No I am not a programmer, but it seems so obvious that this is the only touch phone with 5 hard keys. To me that would be pretty damn awsome yet they are so rarely used for anything but short cuts to options that are already available as a sof tbutton or short cut.
Here is my 2 cents.
I was an avid Symbian S60 fan for a good 5 or 6 years, enjoyed playing with it and tweaking here and there, hell, I had it set up as a wifi hotspot long before the mainstream caught wind.
I then went to WinMo 6.1 on my X1, a nice shiny 'new' toy with more bells and whistles than I could ever dream of, I loved it. Unfortunately it seemed O2 and Sony conspired against me, and decided I couldn't have an X1 as a warranty replacement when mine broke. I managed to talk them into giving me a HD2 instead.
There it was, 4.3" of tweakable goodyness. I loved it, and still do, but I've just got bored, or no longer bothered with fiddling. Maybe its my change of career (from IT guy to developer) but I've just lost interest in what my latest gadget can do.
My girlfriend has got hold of a HTC 7 Trophy, and after playing with it for a weekend, I'm pretty impressed. I was one of the first to scream "OMG WTF is that UI all about?", but once in my hand, it is very smooth and intuitive.
Granted, it has it's faults, like no bluetooth contact transfer (you have to put your phonebook in the cloud (LiveMail or Facebook), but overall, its not bad for a locked in system, much to my disbelief.
Its not got features that I need (like the wifi hotspot) and bluetooth file transfers, which are ultimately putting me off for now, but I can see where it's going.
Android I don't think is for me, I've played with 1.6 and 2.2 (froyo) but I just can't get into the loads of homescreens, it just feels cluttered (Yes, I am aware of the one long start menu in WinPho7)
guyz... we should change our thinking style... HD2 has not only the hardware capability of running WM6.5 but also Android builds, iOS, WP7 OS and MeeGO... sooo we must respect this device... till now android is the most usable nd userfriendly OS,now some peoples might like WP7 OS,after this when gingerbread will run fully then we will run it...
after that we will use HONEYCOMB...
i used HD2 in WM6.5 then i loved it...
now running android builds(2builds on 2SD cards) my love is getting deeper and deeper
will love it more and more day by day in future
At the end i wanna say HD2 is a great(1of the best) device we got so far ..
in the near future it will be replaced by multicore 3D screened devices
until then long LIVE HD2 ...